On 8/3/2015 9:55 AM, Gary wrote:
> What a bickering, nitpicking group this is. I love it.:-D


Oh?

You "love" the bullying too?

My God!

On 8/4/2015 4:04 AM, cshenk wrote:
Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave women rights; rights that could
not have been imagined by European counterparts. Bold words! Words
that have been spoken repeatedly, especially in the last two or three
decades by Muslim converts, and Islamic writers, academics and educators
across the globe. Women’s rights, responsibilities, and choices have
been the subject of books, articles, essays, and lectures. Sadly
however, convincing the world that Muslim women are not oppressed by
Islam is a message that is just not getting through. Media headlines
scream oppression and the words Muslim, women, and oppression seem to
have become inextricably linked.

No matter what Muslim women do or say to try to convince the world
otherwise, words like hijab, burka, polygamy, and Sharia seem to do
little but convince people that Islam oppresses women. Even educated,
articulate women fulfilling the modest conditions of hijab can do little
to dispel the myths. Women who conduct themselves with decorum and
grace and function effortlessly in the modern world have their
achievements and successes celebrated. However, if a woman wears a
scarf, covers her hair or puts her religion above worldly pursuits she
is immediately labelled oppressed. One wonders if this is the case for
women of other religious persuasions.

On 8/3/2015 12:04 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> Janet wrote:
>>>> I don't get why Americans still haven't grasped that whenever
>>>> they throw spears at "barbarian" difference, even if they miss,
>>>> it's entirely likely their spear might be thrown right back ...
>>>> only aimed better.
>>>>
>>> That was Gary thinking he was being funny.
>>
>> Wrong. I wasn't trying to be funny and Janet's spear thrown right back
>> was well deserved and I laughed. If you have paid attention, I am
>> using "barbarian" as a joke now and I think they know that.
>>
>> I said that in all honesty. That was my very first response when I
>> first saw the "european style" of eating. Bad choice of word? Yeah
>> but even a milder description would have evidently been offensive. I
>> never meant to offend.
>>
>> I wasn't brought up that way. We were taught the other way and I've
>> never seen anyone eat that way in real life. When I first saw people
>> eating the E-way on television, I actually looked it up and found that
>> it is now an accepted way to eat in the US. Ok. I'm good with that.
>> It's not wrong, it's just different.
>>
>> Anyway.... Janet threw right back about our barbaric education system
>> (and only because of what I said). It didn't offend me, I laughed.
>>
>> What a bickering, nitpicking group this is. I love it. :-D
>
> I love it too but sometimes the spears go astray to innocent bystanders.
>

You love seeing one person (Julie) needlessly abused?

Why?

Are you sick in the head?

On 8/3/2015 5:51 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/3/2015 7:46 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings€”which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps€”the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/3/2015 7:31 AM, graham wrote:
Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave women rights; rights that could
not have been imagined by European counterparts. Bold words! Words
that have been spoken repeatedly, especially in the last two or three
decades by Muslim converts, and Islamic writers, academics and educators
across the globe. Women’s rights, responsibilities, and choices have
been the subject of books, articles, essays, and lectures. Sadly
however, convincing the world that Muslim women are not oppressed by
Islam is a message that is just not getting through. Media headlines
scream oppression and the words Muslim, women, and oppression seem to
have become inextricably linked.

No matter what Muslim women do or say to try to convince the world
otherwise, words like hijab, burka, polygamy, and Sharia seem to do
little but convince people that Islam oppresses women. Even educated,
articulate women fulfilling the modest conditions of hijab can do little
to dispel the myths. Women who conduct themselves with decorum and
grace and function effortlessly in the modern world have their
achievements and successes celebrated. However, if a woman wears a
scarf, covers her hair or puts her religion above worldly pursuits she
is immediately labelled oppressed. One wonders if this is the case for
women of other religious persuasions.

On 8/3/2015 7:25 AM, sf wrote:
Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave women rights; rights that could
not have been imagined by European counterparts. Bold words! Words
that have been spoken repeatedly, especially in the last two or three
decades by Muslim converts, and Islamic writers, academics and educators
across the globe. Women’s rights, responsibilities, and choices have
been the subject of books, articles, essays, and lectures. Sadly
however, convincing the world that Muslim women are not oppressed by
Islam is a message that is just not getting through. Media headlines
scream oppression and the words Muslim, women, and oppression seem to
have become inextricably linked.

No matter what Muslim women do or say to try to convince the world
otherwise, words like hijab, burka, polygamy, and Sharia seem to do
little but convince people that Islam oppresses women. Even educated,
articulate women fulfilling the modest conditions of hijab can do little
to dispel the myths. Women who conduct themselves with decorum and
grace and function effortlessly in the modern world have their
achievements and successes celebrated. However, if a woman wears a
scarf, covers her hair or puts her religion above worldly pursuits she
is immediately labelled oppressed. One wonders if this is the case for
women of other religious persuasions.

On 8/3/2015 1:22 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave women rights; rights that could
not have been imagined by European counterparts. Bold words! Words
that have been spoken repeatedly, especially in the last two or three
decades by Muslim converts, and Islamic writers, academics and educators
across the globe. Women’s rights, responsibilities, and choices have
been the subject of books, articles, essays, and lectures. Sadly
however, convincing the world that Muslim women are not oppressed by
Islam is a message that is just not getting through. Media headlines
scream oppression and the words Muslim, women, and oppression seem to
have become inextricably linked.

No matter what Muslim women do or say to try to convince the world
otherwise, words like hijab, burka, polygamy, and Sharia seem to do
little but convince people that Islam oppresses women. Even educated,
articulate women fulfilling the modest conditions of hijab can do little
to dispel the myths. Women who conduct themselves with decorum and
grace and function effortlessly in the modern world have their
achievements and successes celebrated. However, if a woman wears a
scarf, covers her hair or puts her religion above worldly pursuits she
is immediately labelled oppressed. One wonders if this is the case for
women of other religious persuasions.

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 11:18:14 -0600, graham > wrote:

> On 03/08/2015 4:59 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 5:31:58 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> >>> On 02/08/2015 3:25 PM, sf wrote:
> >>
> >>> > The point that was lost in the subsequent noise is they pronounce the
> >>> > h in herb and we don't, so it's a herb for them and an herb for us.
> >>> > The use of a or an depend on the first *sound* of the word, not the
> >>> > first letter.
> >>> >
> >>> Except for the inconsistencies such as "an hotel" not "an 'otel".
> >>
> >> If you're expecting English of any sort to be consistent, you'll
> >> be sorely disappointed. Inconsistency is built in. I blame
> >> William the Conqueror.
> >>
> >> Here's something:
> >>
> >> <http://www.bartleby.com/185/12.html>
> >>
> >> H.L. Mencken (1880-1956). The American Language. 1921.
> >> The majority of Americans early dropped the initial h-sound in such
> >> words as when and where, but so far as I can determine they never
> >> elided it at the beginning of other words, save in the case of herb
> >> and humble. This elision is commonly spoken of as a cockney vulgarism,
> >> but it has extended to the orthodox English speech. In ostler the
> >> initial h is openly left off; in hotel and hospital it is sometimes
> >> not clearly sounded, even by careful Englishmen.
> >>
> >>
> >> Not all Americans elide the h in humble. IIRC it's an East Coast thing,
> >> and possibly is passing from usage.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, is the letter H pronounced haitch or aitch?
> >
> > Aitch!!!
> >
> >
> >
> I had a colleague with a Ph.D who used "haitch". Dead social give-away,
> that was!

Back to the class system again.

--

sf

On 8/3/2015 1:04 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 11:18:14 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 03/08/2015 4:59 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 5:31:58 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>>>>> On 02/08/2015 3:25 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> The point that was lost in the subsequent noise is they pronounce the
>>>>>> h in herb and we don't, so it's a herb for them and an herb for us.
>>>>>> The use of a or an depend on the first *sound* of the word, not the
>>>>>> first letter.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Except for the inconsistencies such as "an hotel" not "an 'otel".
>>>>
>>>> If you're expecting English of any sort to be consistent, you'll
>>>> be sorely disappointed. Inconsistency is built in. I blame
>>>> William the Conqueror.
>>>>
>>>> Here's something:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.bartleby.com/185/12.html>
>>>>
>>>> H.L. Mencken (1880-1956). The American Language. 1921.
>>>> The majority of Americans early dropped the initial h-sound in such
>>>> words as when and where, but so far as I can determine they never
>>>> elided it at the beginning of other words, save in the case of herb
>>>> and humble. This elision is commonly spoken of as a cockney vulgarism,
>>>> but it has extended to the orthodox English speech. In ostler the
>>>> initial h is openly left off; in hotel and hospital it is sometimes
>>>> not clearly sounded, even by careful Englishmen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not all Americans elide the h in humble. IIRC it's an East Coast thing,
>>>> and possibly is passing from usage.
>>>>
>>>> Incidentally, is the letter H pronounced haitch or aitch?
>>>
>>> Aitch!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I had a colleague with a Ph.D who used "haitch". Dead social give-away,
>> that was!
>
> Back to the class system again.
>


It's the ingle way after all, eh wot!

In article >, cshenk1
@cox.net says...
>
> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > Janet wrote:
> > > > I don't get why Americans still haven't grasped that whenever
> > > > they throw spears at "barbarian" difference, even if they miss,
> > > > it's entirely likely their spear might be thrown right back ...
> > > > only aimed better.
> > > >
> > > That was Gary thinking he was being funny.
> >
> > Wrong. I wasn't trying to be funny and Janet's spear thrown right back
> > was well deserved and I laughed. If you have paid attention, I am
> > using "barbarian" as a joke now and I think they know that.
> >
> > I said that in all honesty. That was my very first response when I
> > first saw the "european style" of eating. Bad choice of word? Yeah
> > but even a milder description would have evidently been offensive. I
> > never meant to offend.
> >
> > I wasn't brought up that way. We were taught the other way and I've
> > never seen anyone eat that way in real life. When I first saw people
> > eating the E-way on television, I actually looked it up and found that
> > it is now an accepted way to eat in the US. Ok. I'm good with that.
> > It's not wrong, it's just different.
> >
> > Anyway.... Janet threw right back about our barbaric education system
> > (and only because of what I said). It didn't offend me, I laughed.
> >
> > What a bickering, nitpicking group this is. I love it. :-D
>
> I love it too but sometimes the spears go astray to innocent bystanders.

There are no innocent bystanders here.


Janet UK

On 8/3/2015 1:06 PM, Janet wrote:
>> I love it too but sometimes the spears go astray to innocent bystanders.
> There are no innocent bystanders here.
>
>
> Janet UK
>

Given the evil that resides within YOU, likely so.

You hateful vinegar-titted old hag!

In article >,
says...

> > > > >> Janet wrote:

Only the USA speaks of an erb.
Outside of the USA, English speakers aspirate the H in herb,
so they say a herb, just like a horse, a hospital etc.




> > > > >>
> > > > >> Really? Interesting. I always though worldwide was:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> - herb the spice was pronounced erb
> > > > >> - herb the name was pronounced herb.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Brits don't prescribe to that.

> > > The point that was lost in the subsequent noise is they pronounce
the
> > > h in herb and we don't, so it's a herb for them and an herb for us.
> > > The use of a or an depend on the first *sound* of the word, not the
> > > first letter.
> >
> > Thankyou. Maybe "aspirate the H" was too ard for alf the audience to
> > appre'end.
> >
> It's what separates us from you.

As I politely explained to that barbarian Gary above, just before you
tried to drug me.

Really, you've been trying to agree with me all along. Keep it up.


Janet UK

On 8/4/2015 5:06 AM, TRS wrote:
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On 8/4/2015 5:04 AM, sf wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/4/2015 5:05 AM, Sal Paradise wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/4/2015 5:06 AM, Janet wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/4/2015 6:26 AM, Bruce wrote:
Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave women rights; rights that could
not have been imagined by European counterparts. Bold words! Words
that have been spoken repeatedly, especially in the last two or three
decades by Muslim converts, and Islamic writers, academics and educators
across the globe. Women’s rights, responsibilities, and choices have
been the subject of books, articles, essays, and lectures. Sadly
however, convincing the world that Muslim women are not oppressed by
Islam is a message that is just not getting through. Media headlines
scream oppression and the words Muslim, women, and oppression seem to
have become inextricably linked.

No matter what Muslim women do or say to try to convince the world
otherwise, words like hijab, burka, polygamy, and Sharia seem to do
little but convince people that Islam oppresses women. Even educated,
articulate women fulfilling the modest conditions of hijab can do little
to dispel the myths. Women who conduct themselves with decorum and
grace and function effortlessly in the modern world have their
achievements and successes celebrated. However, if a woman wears a
scarf, covers her hair or puts her religion above worldly pursuits she
is immediately labelled oppressed. One wonders if this is the case for
women of other religious persuasions.

On 2015-08-03 4:26 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>> I had a colleague with a Ph.D who used "haitch". Dead social give-away,
>>> that was!
>>
>> Back to the class system again.
>
> Do you prefer a class system based on money?
>


I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
spouse Lady John?

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:23:56 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
>their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
>spouse Lady John?

LOL. I had never considered that question, good point

On 8/3/2015 3:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-08-03 4:26 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>>> I had a colleague with a Ph.D who used "haitch". Dead social give-away,
>>>> that was!
>>>
>>> Back to the class system again.
>>
>> Do you prefer a class system based on money?
>>
>
>
> I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
> their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
> spouse Lady John?


Oh let me guess, you slighted Alan Turing for his sexual orientation as
well?

You pig.

On 2015-08-03 5:25 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:23:56 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
>> their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
>> spouse Lady John?
>
> LOL. I had never considered that question, good point
>
Don't take it as an homophobic rant but...... standards have certainly
changed. There was a time when rank and privilege were earned by service
to the king, and later to the elected government, not to the people who
earned millions or billions by gouging the rest of us.

On 8/3/2015 3:28 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-08-03 5:25 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:23:56 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
>>> their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
>>> spouse Lady John?
>>
>> LOL. I had never considered that question, good point
>>
> Don't take it as an homophobic rant but...... standards have certainly
> changed.

Iow, homophobic slight, so noted.

On 8/3/2015 3:32 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:25:46 +1000, Jeßus >
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:23:56 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
>>> their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
>>> spouse Lady John?
>>
>> LOL. I had never considered that question, good point
>
> Beavis and Butt-head discover homosexuality.
>
JeBus = Beavis?

Genius.

+1

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:28:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-08-03 5:25 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:23:56 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
>>> their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
>>> spouse Lady John?
>>
>> LOL. I had never considered that question, good point
>>
> Don't take it as an homophobic rant

I didn't...

>but...... standards have certainly
>changed. There was a time when rank and privilege were earned by service
>to the king, and later to the elected government, not to the people who
>earned millions or billions by gouging the rest of us.

I know what you mean.
The Nobel peace Prize has gone the same way.

On 2015-08-03 5:32 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:25:46 +1000, Jeßus >
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:23:56 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
>>> their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
>>> spouse Lady John?
>>
>> LOL. I had never considered that question, good point
>
> Beavis and Butt-head discover homosexuality.
>


Okay.... You discovered it long before we did.

On 2015-08-03 5:56 PM, Bruce wrote:

>> Don't take it as an homophobic rant but...... standards have certainly
>> changed. There was a time when rank and privilege were earned by service
>> to the king, and later to the elected government, not to the people who
>> earned millions or billions by gouging the rest of us.
>
> Who held a gun to your head and forced you to buy Elton John records?
>
I am sorry. If that was supposed to be witty I missed it.

On 8/3/2015 11:56 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:28:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-03 5:25 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:23:56 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
>>>> their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
>>>> spouse Lady John?
>>>
>>> LOL. I had never considered that question, good point
>>>
>> Don't take it as an homophobic rant but...... standards have certainly
>> changed. There was a time when rank and privilege were earned by service
>> to the king, and later to the elected government, not to the people who
>> earned millions or billions by gouging the rest of us.
>
> Who held a gun to your head and forced you to buy Elton John records?
>

No one has ever held a gun to my head and forced me to buy Elton John
records. This is probably the reason why I have never bought an Elton
John record.


BTW, what the heck is a "record?"

On 8/3/2015 3:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:28:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-03 5:25 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:23:56 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
>>>> their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
>>>> spouse Lady John?
>>>
>>> LOL. I had never considered that question, good point
>>>
>> Don't take it as an homophobic rant but...... standards have certainly
>> changed. There was a time when rank and privilege were earned by service
>> to the king, and later to the elected government, not to the people who
>> earned millions or billions by gouging the rest of us.
>
> Who held a gun to your head and forced you to buy Elton John records?
>

Lol, Bernie Taupin?

On 8/3/2015 4:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 18:01:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-03 5:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>>> Don't take it as an homophobic rant but...... standards have certainly
>>>> changed. There was a time when rank and privilege were earned by service
>>>> to the king, and later to the elected government, not to the people who
>>>> earned millions or billions by gouging the rest of us.
>>>
>>> Who held a gun to your head and forced you to buy Elton John records?
>>>
>> I am sorry. If that was supposed to be witty I missed it.
>
> Well, since you mentioned Elton John and 'gouging'. How did he gouge
> you?
>

Sequin tariff.

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 20:15:28 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
>
> > > > > >> Janet wrote:
>
> Only the USA speaks of an erb.
> Outside of the USA, English speakers aspirate the H in herb,
> so they say a herb, just like a horse, a hospital etc.
>
>
>
>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Really? Interesting. I always though worldwide was:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> - herb the spice was pronounced erb
> > > > > >> - herb the name was pronounced herb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Brits don't prescribe to that.
>
> > > > The point that was lost in the subsequent noise is they pronounce
> the
> > > > h in herb and we don't, so it's a herb for them and an herb for us.
> > > > The use of a or an depend on the first *sound* of the word, not the
> > > > first letter.
> > >
> > > Thankyou. Maybe "aspirate the H" was too ard for alf the audience to
> > > appre'end.
> > >
> > It's what separates us from you.
>
> As I politely explained to that barbarian Gary above, just before you
> tried to drug me.
>
> Really, you've been trying to agree with me all along. Keep it up.
>
>
I have and you've been too thick headed to notice. We don't pronounce
the H in herb and we're still here. We also don't call an H "haiche".


--

sf

On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-08-03 5:25 PM, Je�us wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:23:56 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
> >> their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
> >> spouse Lady John?
> >
> > LOL. I had never considered that question, good point
> >
> Don't take it as an homophobic rant but...... standards have certainly
> changed. There was a time when rank and privilege were earned by service
> to the king, and later to the elected government, not to the people who
> earned millions or billions by gouging the rest of us.

On the other hand, Sir Terry Pratchett earned millions by
entertaining and edifying the rest of us, and earned an OBE
for it.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:35:54 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 20:15:28 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>> > > > > >> Janet wrote:
>>
>> Only the USA speaks of an erb.
>> Outside of the USA, English speakers aspirate the H in herb,
>> so they say a herb, just like a horse, a hospital etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Really? Interesting. I always though worldwide was:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> - herb the spice was pronounced erb
>> > > > > >> - herb the name was pronounced herb.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The Brits don't prescribe to that.
>>
>> > > > The point that was lost in the subsequent noise is they pronounce
>> the
>> > > > h in herb and we don't, so it's a herb for them and an herb for us.
>> > > > The use of a or an depend on the first *sound* of the word, not the
>> > > > first letter.
>> > >
>> > > Thankyou. Maybe "aspirate the H" was too ard for alf the audience to
>> > > appre'end.
>> > >
>> > It's what separates us from you.
>>
>> As I politely explained to that barbarian Gary above, just before you
>> tried to drug me.
>>
>> Really, you've been trying to agree with me all along. Keep it up.
>>
>>
>I have and you've been too thick headed to notice. We don't pronounce
>the H in herb and we're still here. We also don't call an H "haiche".

Or a "z" zed, or a zebra a zehbra.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2015-08-03 5:25 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:23:56 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I am beginning to wonder. Knighthood used to be conferred on men for
> >> their acts of bravery and loyalty. Nowadays..... Elton John. Is his
> >> spouse Lady John?
> >
> > LOL. I had never considered that question, good point
> >
> Don't take it as an homophobic rant but...... standards have certainly
> changed.

> There was a time when rank and privilege were earned by service
> to the king, and later to the elected government, not to the people who
> earned millions or billions by gouging the rest of us.

Services to the king included, supplying money and armed men. More
services to king = more land = more power to gouge tithes and taxes from
the poor.

Ranks like EJ's knighthood are no more than a title, they no longer
carry any privileges (such as power or land), but they are conferred for
services rendered and money raised, just like the old days. EJ's was
for his charitable work and services to music (er, making money for the
Treasury)

I can't think what EJ ever gouged from me but I've probably benefited
from the huge taxes he's paid to the Treasury.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 20:15:28 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >
> > > > > > >> Janet wrote:
> >
> > Only the USA speaks of an erb.
> > Outside of the USA, English speakers aspirate the H in herb,
> > so they say a herb, just like a horse, a hospital etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Really? Interesting. I always though worldwide was:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> - herb the spice was pronounced erb
> > > > > > >> - herb the name was pronounced herb.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Brits don't prescribe to that.
> >
> > > > > The point that was lost in the subsequent noise is they pronounce
> > the
> > > > > h in herb and we don't, so it's a herb for them and an herb for us.
> > > > > The use of a or an depend on the first *sound* of the word, not the
> > > > > first letter.
> > > >
> > > > Thankyou. Maybe "aspirate the H" was too ard for alf the audience to
> > > > appre'end.
> > > >
> > > It's what separates us from you.
> >
> > As I politely explained to that barbarian Gary above, just before you
> > tried to drug me.
> >
> > Really, you've been trying to agree with me all along. Keep it up.


> I have and you've been too thick headed to notice.

Geddoffit, You hadn't noticed I told Gary

" Only the USA speaks of an erb.
Outside of the USA, English speakers aspirate the H in herb,"

We don't pronounce
> the H in herb

Like I said

> We also don't call an H "haiche".

Neither do I. It's an aitch.

Janet.

On 8/4/2015 7:56 AM, Bruce wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
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services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

When Jeb's dad was vice-president, Jeb lobbied the federal government
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charged with $200 million in Medicare fraud and fled the US. I

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ohn Caylor of www.insider-magazine.com reports that a well-placed source
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Governor's Staff in Tallahassee with personnel from Texas who are
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confirmed the destruction of public records by Jeb Bush may be in
response to the ongoing criminal proceedings against GOP lobbyist Jack
Abramoff and the Federal investigation of the 2001 gangland murder in
Miami of Sun Cruz casino boat owner Gus Boulis.

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On 4/08/2015 4:04 AM, cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> Janet wrote:
>>>> I don't get why Americans still haven't grasped that whenever
>>>> they throw spears at "barbarian" difference, even if they miss,
>>>> it's entirely likely their spear might be thrown right back ...
>>>> only aimed better.
>>>>
>>> That was Gary thinking he was being funny.
>>
>> Wrong. I wasn't trying to be funny and Janet's spear thrown right back
>> was well deserved and I laughed. If you have paid attention, I am
>> using "barbarian" as a joke now and I think they know that.
>>
>> I said that in all honesty. That was my very first response when I
>> first saw the "european style" of eating. Bad choice of word? Yeah
>> but even a milder description would have evidently been offensive. I
>> never meant to offend.
>>
>> I wasn't brought up that way. We were taught the other way and I've
>> never seen anyone eat that way in real life. When I first saw people
>> eating the E-way on television, I actually looked it up and found that
>> it is now an accepted way to eat in the US. Ok. I'm good with that.
>> It's not wrong, it's just different.
>>
>> Anyway.... Janet threw right back about our barbaric education system
>> (and only because of what I said). It didn't offend me, I laughed.
>>
>> What a bickering, nitpicking group this is. I love it. :-D
>
> I love it too but sometimes the spears go astray to innocent bystanders.
>
Collateral damage....

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Xeno

On 8/6/2015 12:54 AM, Xeno wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.