This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
source of our cilantro!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/

On 7/28/2015 4:12 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was
> the source of our cilantro!
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>

The solution is to buy locally sourced organic, as we shall.

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy
> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>wrote:
>
>>This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
>>source of our cilantro!
>>
>>http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>
>
>Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??

Why yes indeedy... because we all know that first-world crops are
clean and beyond reproach!

On 7/28/2015 5:01 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
>>> source of our cilantro!
>>>
>>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>
>>
>> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
>
> Why yes indeedy... because we all know that first-world crops are
> clean and beyond reproach!
>

Ever hear of hydroponics?

On 2015-07-28 23:01:52 +0000, Jeßus said:

> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
>>> source of our cilantro!
>>>
>>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
>
> Why yes indeedy... because we all know that first-world crops are
> clean and beyond reproach!

And there's a good reason why: In American fields we make Mexican
workers hold it--hold anything/everything--until the end of the work
week. That's why our crops are pristine, right out of the dirt!

On 2015-07-28, Sal Paradise > wrote:

> Ever hear of hydroponics?

Even better, aeroponics.

OTOH, most 'ponics are kinda harsh. One can grow organiic 'ponics,
but it's not as mild as good organic soil.

I spk as one who has a little experience w/ a particular herb grown
hereabouts. My organic soil herb is less harsh than 'ponics grown
stuff. I'm still learning, but expect to have a complete cooking herb
crop (chives, cilantro, etc) by next season.

I need to start a composting set-up. Any advice?

nb

On 7/28/2015 5:21 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2015-07-28 23:01:52 +0000, Jeßus said:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this
>>>> was the
>>>> source of our cilantro!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
>>
>> Why yes indeedy... because we all know that first-world crops are
>> clean and beyond reproach!
>
> And there's a good reason why: In American fields we make Mexican
> workers hold it--hold anything/everything--until the end of the work
> week. That's why our crops are pristine, right out of the dirt!
>

You idiot!

http://www.orosha.org/pdf/pubs/1890.pdf

Attention Workers! Field Sanitation.
Your employer must provide:

Safe drinking water
• Immediately available and enough for everyone.
• Cool and kept in sanitary containers.
• Dispensed from a water fountain or into personal containers or
disposable cups.
Toilets and handwashing facilities
• Your employer must allow you to use the toilet when you need it.
• Facilities must be located together and within a five-minute walk

• A toilet must be:
– Clean, private, and have toilet paper.
– Provided for every 20 workers.
• Handwashing facilities must include:
– Clean water and soap.
– Single-use towels and a trash container.

Information
Your employer must tell you:
• The location of the drinking water, toilet, and handwashing.
• About the importance of:
– Handwashing before and after using the toilet.
– Avoiding heat stress and infectious diseases.
– Reducing exposure to pesticide residues.


https://www.farmworkerjustice.org/si...de%20final.pdf

On 28 Jul 2015 23:32:37 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>OTOH, most 'ponics are kinda harsh. One can grow organiic 'ponics,
>but it's not as mild as good organic soil.

You're absolutely right about 'ponics'. It's okay for what it is, but
it can never deliver the same subtleties in flavour. It can't really,
as whilst it technically satisfies the plant's nutritional
requirements, there are countless other things in the soil that
influences the smell and flavour of plants. Especially if the ponic's
nutrients are non-organic.

>I spk as one who has a little experience w/ a particular herb grown
>hereabouts.

I think on the same page here... terpines are what makes all the
difference there.

>My organic soil herb is less harsh than 'ponics grown
>stuff.

And the effects last much longer, too.

>I'm still learning, but expect to have a complete cooking herb
>crop (chives, cilantro, etc) by next season.
>
>I need to start a composting set-up. Any advice?

That's a huge subject... what climate are you dealing with?

On 7/28/2015 5:32 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-07-28, Sal Paradise > wrote:
>
>> Ever hear of hydroponics?
>
> Even better, aeroponics.

Orchid growth?

> OTOH, most 'ponics are kinda harsh. One can grow organiic 'ponics,
> but it's not as mild as good organic soil.

Fair enough, it's water and nutrients.

You likely have to avoid burning the roots.

> I spk as one who has a little experience w/ a particular herb grown
> hereabouts. My organic soil herb is less harsh than 'ponics grown
> stuff. I'm still learning, but expect to have a complete cooking herb
> crop (chives, cilantro, etc) by next season.
>
> I need to start a composting set-up. Any advice?
>
> nb
>

Sorry no, I don't compost, too dry here for it to work that well.

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:21:43 -0700, gtr > wrote:

>On 2015-07-28 23:01:52 +0000, Jeßus said:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
>>>> source of our cilantro!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
>>
>> Why yes indeedy... because we all know that first-world crops are
>> clean and beyond reproach!
>
>And there's a good reason why: In American fields we make Mexican
>workers hold it--hold anything/everything--until the end of the work
>week. That's why our crops are pristine, right out of the dirt!

That's not quite what I had I mind, but whatever.

On 2015-07-28, Jeßus > wrote:

> On 28 Jul 2015 23:32:37 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>>I need to start a composting set-up. Any advice?

> That's a huge subject... what climate are you dealing with?

Cold-to-mildly-cold (always snow) Winters and sub 90F Summers. VERY
dry. Almost no humidity.

I'm at about 8K ft in the CO Rockies.

nb

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 5:12:27 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
> source of our cilantro!
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/

If you read Breitbart, you are dumb as ****, be we already knew that. He
thinks that Mexicans are all a bunch of filthy people with poor hygiene.

Still, Mexican workers are treated like shit, and folks like the Casa Troll
don't believe that American workers should be treated any better.

--Bryan

On 28 Jul 2015 23:58:24 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-07-28, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On 28 Jul 2015 23:32:37 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>>I need to start a composting set-up. Any advice?
>
>> That's a huge subject... what climate are you dealing with?
>
>Cold-to-mildly-cold (always snow) Winters and sub 90F Summers. VERY
>dry. Almost no humidity.
>
>I'm at about 8K ft in the CO Rockies.

I'm also in the mountains, but not that high up
Check out this page, it has some good advice the
http://learn.eartheasy.com/2014/01/t...er-composting/
Summer isn't really an issue for composting so much.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
> source of our cilantro!
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/

Good thing I hate the stuff. :-)

Cheri

On 2015-07-29, Jeßus > wrote:

> I'm also in the mountains, but not that high up
> Check out this page, it has some good advice the
> http://learn.eartheasy.com/2014/01/t...er-composting/
> Summer isn't really an issue for composting so much.

Great resource website. Thnx, Jeß.

Looks like I'm gonna hafta build my own DIY compost tumbler.

nb

On 7/28/2015 6:18 PM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 5:12:27 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
>> source of our cilantro!
>>
>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>
> If you read Breitbart, you are dumb as ****, be we already knew that. He
> thinks that Mexicans are all a bunch of filthy people with poor hygiene.

You are such a reflexive libitarded MORON!

Mr. Breitbart is DEAD, has been for over a year.

My GOD!

> Still, Mexican workers are treated like shit, and folks like the Casa Troll
> don't believe that American workers should be treated any better.
>
> --Bryan

WTF kind of LIE is that?

You truly need to be run over by a dump truck!

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
> source of our cilantro!

> http://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...
I''ve only encountered cilantro once on sale here and didn't like the
taste at all. Now I know why...

--
Bob
Sidera errantia quibus procella tenebrarum in aeternum servata est
www.kanyak.com

On 7/28/2015 6:14 PM, Sal Paradise wrote:
> On 7/28/2015 4:12 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was
>> the source of our cilantro!
>>
>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>
>>
>
> The solution is to buy locally sourced organic, as we shall.

That deification is organic. All natural fertilizer.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
>> source of our cilantro!
>>
>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>
> Good thing I hate the stuff. :-)

+1

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"gtr" > wrote in message news:2015072816214387276-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2015-07-28 23:01:52 +0000, Jeßus said:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was
>>>> the
>>>> source of our cilantro!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
>>
>> Why yes indeedy... because we all know that first-world crops are
>> clean and beyond reproach!
>
> And there's a good reason why: In American fields we make Mexican workers
> hold it--hold anything/everything--until the end of the work week. That's
> why our crops are pristine, right out of the dirt!

lol


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 10:38:47 PM UTC-5, Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal wrote:
> On 7/28/2015 6:18 PM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 5:12:27 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
> >> source of our cilantro!
> >>
> >> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
> >
> > If you read Breitbart, you are dumb as ****, be we already knew that. He
> > thinks that Mexicans are all a bunch of filthy people with poor hygiene.
>
> You are such a reflexive libitarded MORON!
>
> Mr. Breitbart is DEAD, has been for over a year.
>
> My GOD!
>
You're the one who believes in the immortal soul. Do you think he'd know
if someone ****ed on his grave?
>
> > Still, Mexican workers are treated like shit, and folks like the Casa Troll
> > don't believe that American workers should be treated any better.
> >
> > --Bryan
>
> WTF kind of LIE is that?
>
> You truly need to be run over by a dump truck!

You love inequity.

--Bryan

On 7/28/2015 11:41 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/28/2015 6:14 PM, Sal Paradise wrote:
>> On 7/28/2015 4:12 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was
>>> the source of our cilantro!
>>>
>>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The solution is to buy locally sourced organic, as we shall.
>
> That deification is organic. All natural fertilizer.

Composted crap by any other name is still better than raw human crap.

On 7/29/2015 4:29 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 10:38:47 PM UTC-5, Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal wrote:
>> On 7/28/2015 6:18 PM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 5:12:27 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
>>>> source of our cilantro!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>>
>>> If you read Breitbart, you are dumb as ****, be we already knew that. He
>>> thinks that Mexicans are all a bunch of filthy people with poor hygiene.
>>
>> You are such a reflexive libitarded MORON!
>>
>> Mr. Breitbart is DEAD, has been for over a year.
>>
>> My GOD!
>>
> You're the one who believes in the immortal soul.

YOU just got caught and PUNKED.

STFU and live with it, moron.

>>
>>> Still, Mexican workers are treated like shit, and folks like the Casa Troll
>>> don't believe that American workers should be treated any better.
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>> WTF kind of LIE is that?
>>
>> You truly need to be run over by a dump truck!
>
> You love inequity.

You thrive on class warfare.

You can make cilantro with a 3D printer.

On 7/30/2015 5:49 AM, wrote:
The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense
founded on the Christian religion

Many Religious Right activists have attempted to rewrite history by
asserting that the United States government derived from Christian
foundations, that our Founding Fathers originally aimed for a Christian
nation. This idea simply does not hold to the historical evidence.

Of course many Americans did practice Christianity, but so also did many
believe in deistic philosophy. Indeed, most of our influential Founding
Fathers, although they respected the rights of other religionists, held
to deism and Freemasonry tenets rather than to Christianity.

The U.S. Constitution

The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America
and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms
a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity,
Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the
Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The
U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in
the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a
more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not
come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers
purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of
Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the
Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the
1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:

Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[bold caps, mine]

Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his
January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist
Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State."
Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation
between religion and government in the Constitution of the United
States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from
our Founding Fathers.

If religionists better understood the concept of separation of Church &
State, they would realize that the wall of separation actually protects
their religion. Our secular government allows the free expression of
religion and non-religion. Today, religions flourish in America; we have
more churches than Seven-Elevens.

Although many secular and atheist groups today support and fight for the
wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully
eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no
secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other
religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows
atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems,
regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.

On 7/29/2015 4:25 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I've even seen it as low as $.19/bunch.
Get out - stalker!


....dump!

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On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:25:21 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
>>>source of our cilantro!
>>>
>>>http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>
>> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
>
>Cilantro that costs $.28/bunch. The price of it has been decreasing
>for the last 5 years. I've even seen it as low as $.19/bunch.
>
>-sw
Where I live it is more likely 89 cents.
Janet US

On 2015-07-28 19:48, wrote:
> On 28 Jul 2015 23:32:37 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> OTOH, most 'ponics are kinda harsh. One can grow organiic 'ponics,
>> but it's not as mild as good organic soil.
>
> You're absolutely right about 'ponics'. It's okay for what it is, but
> it can never deliver the same subtleties in flavour. It can't really,
> as whilst it technically satisfies the plant's nutritional
> requirements, there are countless other things in the soil that
> influences the smell and flavour of plants. Especially if the ponic's
> nutrients are non-organic.


This story stinks. There is a credibility issue. I don't doubt that
workers might occasionally crap in the field. I doubt they used toilet
paper.


>
>> I spk as one who has a little experience w/ a particular herb grown
>> hereabouts.
>
> I think on the same page here... terpines are what makes all the
> difference there.
>
>> My organic soil herb is less harsh than 'ponics grown
>> stuff.
>
> And the effects last much longer, too.
>
>> I'm still learning, but expect to have a complete cooking herb
>> crop (chives, cilantro, etc) by next season.
>>
>> I need to start a composting set-up. Any advice?
>
> That's a huge subject... what climate are you dealing with?
>

"Dave Smith" wrote:
>
>This story stinks. There is a credibility issue. I don't doubt
>that workers might occasionally crap in the field. I doubt they
>used toilet paper.

Much more likely they use fistfuls of cilantro. However I don't care,
I never use cilantro soap.

> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/

I am reminded of the Disney cartoon that was made in the 40's for third world countries to demonstrate how to build a latrine and explained what can happen when a family defecates in the cornfield. It's called "Cleanliness Brings Health" and is one of those films Disney must be ashamed today that they made but the cartoon probably saved lives.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
>>>source of our cilantro!
>>>
>>>http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>
>> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
>
> Cilantro that costs $.28/bunch. The price of it has been decreasing
> for the last 5 years. I've even seen it as low as $.19/bunch.

Not here. I think 58 cents a bunch is the cheapest I've seen and that was
at Walmart.

On 7/29/2015 10:03 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this
>>>> was the
>>>> source of our cilantro!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
>>
>> Cilantro that costs $.28/bunch. The price of it has been decreasing
>> for the last 5 years. I've even seen it as low as $.19/bunch.
>
> Not here. I think 58 cents a bunch is the cheapest I've seen and that
> was at Walmart.


You're farther north, trucking wise.

To be expected.

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 7:41:14 PM UTC-4, Janet B wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:25:21 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
> >>>source of our cilantro!
> >>>
> >>>http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
> >>
> >> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
> >
> >Cilantro that costs $.28/bunch. The price of it has been decreasing
> >for the last 5 years. I've even seen it as low as $.19/bunch.
> >
> >-sw
> Where I live it is more likely 89 cents.

I believe the regular price I pay might be $1.99. I'll be checking
the provenance of my cilantro the next time I buy.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2015-07-30 6:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> Ditto. Hard to figure why it is cheaper in the southwest where
>> it's hot, since cilantro really doesn't like to be hot, it just
>> bolts.
>
> Economies of scale. Lots of cilantro is sold in the southwest.
>

It is a marketing issue. I would buy a lot more fresh herbs if they were
priced like that. Cilantro sells for $1.79 or more around here.
Sometimes you get a huge bundle of it and in some places they have those
little plastic packages with a half dozen stalks. No thanks.

I bought some last week to go with the satay for my wife's party. Poor
girl never got any of the satay at the party so I did a reprise a few
days later and I had trouble finding enough cilantro that had not gone off.

On 7/28/2015 6:01 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
>>> source of our cilantro!
>>>
>>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>
>>
>> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
>
> Why yes indeedy... because we all know that first-world crops are
> clean and beyond reproach!
>

Farmers in the USA never provided toilet facilities to the field
workers until the feds forced them to do so - and that wasn't very
long ago. Until then, they just routinely went right in the fields.
Our recent moral high ground is only due to the big gov't regulations
places like breitbart despise.

Incidentally, if you go to any major ice-fishing lake in the midst of
winter you'll see the same sight on the ice around the shacks. The
overwhelming majority of ice shacks lack toilet facilities, so the
guys just **** and shit outside. Think of that next time you go
swimming in those supposedly clean lakes.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 7:41:14 PM UTC-4, Janet B wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:25:21 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this was the
> > >>>source of our cilantro!
> > >>>
> > >>>http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
> > >>
> > >> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
> > >
> > >Cilantro that costs $.28/bunch. The price of it has been decreasing
> > >for the last 5 years. I've even seen it as low as $.19/bunch.
> > >
> > >-sw
> > Where I live it is more likely 89 cents.
>
> I believe the regular price I pay might be $1.99. I'll be checking
> the provenance of my cilantro the next time I buy.

They should maybe give away all the poopy cilantro for free.

On 7/30/2015 7:59 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> On 7/28/2015 6:01 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this
>>>> was the
>>>> source of our cilantro!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
>>
>> Why yes indeedy... because we all know that first-world crops are
>> clean and beyond reproach!
>>
>
> Farmers in the USA never provided toilet facilities to the field workers
> until the feds forced them to do so - and that wasn't very long ago.

Yeah?

As in 1946?!?!?!

http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getf...telprdc5097151

The USDA Agricultural Marketing Service operates under the Agricultural
Marketing Act of 1946 [7 U.S.C. 1621], and offers voluntary, user fee
funded programs
which assists in the strategic marketing of agricultural commodities.
The U.S. Food and
Drug Administration is the federal agency with regulatory authority for
fresh fruits and
vegetables.

http://safety.cfans.umn.edu/files/20...-Farm-Feb2.pdf

*Growers should operate farms in accordance
with the laws and regulations that describe
field and facility sanitation practices. The field
sanitation laws prescribed under the
Occupational Safety and Health Act 29 CFR
1928.110, subpart I, describe the appropriate
number of toilets to the number of workers,
proper hand washing facilities, maximum
worker-to-restroom distance, and how often
such facilities should be cleaned.


Oh CRAP, my bad!

It was 1928...

What, are you running on geologic standard time?

> Until then, they just routinely went right in the fields. Our recent
> moral high ground is only due to the big gov't regulations places like
> breitbart despise.

Oh?

You speak for THEM now?

> Incidentally, if you go to any major ice-fishing lake in the midst of
> winter you'll see the same sight on the ice around the shacks. The
> overwhelming majority of ice shacks lack toilet facilities, so the guys
> just **** and shit outside. Think of that next time you go swimming in
> those supposedly clean lakes.

Then ask yourself how BIG those lakes are and how LONG they have to
recover during thaw.

Sal Paradise wrote:
>
> On 7/30/2015 7:59 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> > On 7/28/2015 6:01 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> >> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:16:27 -0700, The Other Guy
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:12:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This is sad for the Mexican workers. And not good for us if this
> >>>> was the
> >>>> source of our cilantro!
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, what DO people expect when dealing with a third-world country??
> >>
> >> Why yes indeedy... because we all know that first-world crops are
> >> clean and beyond reproach!
> >>
> >
> > Farmers in the USA never provided toilet facilities to the field workers
> > until the feds forced them to do so - and that wasn't very long ago.
>
> Yeah?
>
> As in 1946?!?!?!
>
> http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getf...telprdc5097151
>
> The USDA Agricultural Marketing Service operates under the Agricultural
> Marketing Act of 1946 [7 U.S.C. 1621], and offers voluntary, user fee
> funded programs
> which assists in the strategic marketing of agricultural commodities.
> The U.S. Food and
> Drug Administration is the federal agency with regulatory authority for
> fresh fruits and
> vegetables.
>
> http://safety.cfans.umn.edu/files/20...-Farm-Feb2.pdf
>
> *Growers should operate farms in accordance
> with the laws and regulations that describe
> field and facility sanitation practices. The field
> sanitation laws prescribed under the
> Occupational Safety and Health Act 29 CFR
> 1928.110, subpart I, describe the appropriate
> number of toilets to the number of workers,
> proper hand washing facilities, maximum
> worker-to-restroom distance, and how often
> such facilities should be cleaned.
>
> Oh CRAP, my bad!
>
> It was 1928...
>
> What, are you running on geologic standard time?
>
> > Until then, they just routinely went right in the fields. Our recent
> > moral high ground is only due to the big gov't regulations places like
> > breitbart despise.
>
> Oh?
>
> You speak for THEM now?
>
> > Incidentally, if you go to any major ice-fishing lake in the midst of
> > winter you'll see the same sight on the ice around the shacks. The
> > overwhelming majority of ice shacks lack toilet facilities, so the guys
> > just **** and shit outside. Think of that next time you go swimming in
> > those supposedly clean lakes.
>
> Then ask yourself how BIG those lakes are and how LONG they have to
> recover during thaw.

Look up Nome, Ak in 1925

On 7/30/2015 2:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:31:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-07-30 6:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>>> Ditto. Hard to figure why it is cheaper in the southwest where
>>>> it's hot, since cilantro really doesn't like to be hot, it just
>>>> bolts.
>>>
>>> Economies of scale. Lots of cilantro is sold in the southwest.
>>>
>>
>> It is a marketing issue. I would buy a lot more fresh herbs if they were
>> priced like that.
>
> Even knowing what the cheap ones use for manure?


As above, so below:

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/...nated-berries/

The danger of uncooked foreign food has been exposed after berries
contaminated with a hard-to-detect virus infected at least nine Australians.

Frozen mixed berries from Chile and China sold by the Nanna and Creative
Gourmet brands have been recalled nationwide, prompting experts and
industry voices to promote buying local.

More than a dozen cases of hepatitis A linked to the imported berries
have been confirmed around the country.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ralian-shelves

More frozen berry products have been recalled due to possible hepatitis
A contamination, with at least five people contracting the infection in
the food scare.

Victorian company Patties Foods announced on Sunday it was expanding its
recall to include all 300g and 500g packs of Creative Gourmet Mixed Berries.

On Saturday, all 1kg packs of Nanna’s Frozen Mixed Berries were recalled
when the Victorian Health Department warned of a potential hepatitis A
contamination.

Patties Foods CEO Steven Chaur said the wider recall was a precautionary
measure.

“We have decided that all our frozen mixed berries should be recalled
until such time as we receive the results of further laboratory tests,”
Chaur said. “The recall is an important step to ensure public safety and
confidence.”

The suspect berries were packed in China before distribution in Australia.

At least three people in Victoria, and two in NSW, who have eaten the
frozen berries have since been diagnosed with hepatitis A.


It's a berry, berry good thing!

On 7/30/2015 3:32 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> The "economies of scale" answer seems reasonable.
> Sure, but the cheaper the item and the more 3rd world the country of





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