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>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:00:30 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 02/08/2015 12:43 AM, Janet B wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm telling you, the lack of a dog has let all the
>>>>>>>> neighborhood critters think my garden is a rumpus room!
>>>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I heard something last night at midnight and on looking out the
>>>>>>>bedroom
>>>>>>>window spotted a neighbour walking her dog across my back lawn. Now I
>>>>>>>know from where the dogshit comes!
>>>>>>>I intend getting one of those motion detector sprinklers to teach her
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>lesson:-)
>>>>>>>Graham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy wine,
>>>>>>>which is kind of the same thing".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> go for it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Amen!!! btw would G&T be permitted??
>>>>
>>>> Or several tomato beers. LOL
>>>
>>> Hey whatever floats your boat ... Chin Chin ... bottoms up <g>
>>>
>>> ps what is 'tomato beer' ?
>>
>> It's beer with tomato juice added, like Snap-E-Tom, V-8 etc., often
>> called Red Dogs.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> And often ordered by people with hangovers in bars after they've had lime
> and bitters. :-)
>

Lime and bitters? Please explain that? )


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On 02/08/2015 10:26 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
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>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:00:30 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/08/2015 12:43 AM, Janet B wrote:
>>>>>> I'm telling you, the lack of a dog has let all the
>>>>>>> neighborhood critters think my garden is a rumpus room!
>>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I heard something last night at midnight and on looking out the
>>>>>> bedroom
>>>>>> window spotted a neighbour walking her dog across my back lawn. Now I
>>>>>> know from where the dogshit comes!
>>>>>> I intend getting one of those motion detector sprinklers to teach
>>>>>> her a
>>>>>> lesson:-)
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "You can't buy happiness, but you can buy wine,
>>>>>> which is kind of the same thing".
>>>>>
>>>>> go for it!
>>>>
>>>> Amen!!! btw would G&T be permitted??
>>>
>>> Or several tomato beers. LOL
>>
>> Hey whatever floats your boat ... Chin Chin ... bottoms up <g>
>>
>> ps what is 'tomato beer' ?
>
> It's beer with tomato juice added, like Snap-E-Tom, V-8 etc., often
> called Red Dogs.
>
> Cheri
It's called "Red-eye" in Calgary. I saw it drunk in a low-end bar I once
(and only once) visited with some employees but I didn't try it.
Graham
--
"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy wine,
which is kind of the same thing".

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:56:12 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 08:20:20 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 00:43:01 -0600, Janet B >
>>wrote:
>
>snip
>>When you say tree rats, do you mean squirrels or chipmunks? We have
>>been have a lot of trouble with an exploding chipmunk population here.
>>I've no sympathy for them, as they as so destructive.
>>
>snip
>>Boron
>
>there was another raid last night. It is young raccoons getting into
>the tomatoes. They are indiscriminate. Last night was large green
>tomatoes half eaten. Everything is fenced and caged. I wish they
>would go after the cucumbers -- it's amazing what four plants can put
>out.. Sorry to hear that you are the neighborhood diner. I have to
>go out this morning and cut my rose buds so that I get to see them in
>bloom. The deer are fond of the buds.
>Janet US


Nothing stops raccoons short of a bank safe. I must say that squirrels
are determined, too, but just not we physically capable. Still, I
should not complain...a woman not too far from here found a 200 lb
bear in her kitchen the other day. Sadly, things got out of hand and
they had to put it down. They usually just tranq them and move them
away. This one may have had a history. That I cannot say.

We are fortunate that we have only minor deer problems, which is
surprising considering the large woods near by.

I have taken to cutting a lot of my flowers as they reach peak,
though. I do it to being the pretty things inside, rather than just
glimpsing them as I walk buy a couple times a day.

Boron

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>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:00:30 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 02/08/2015 12:43 AM, Janet B wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm telling you, the lack of a dog has let all the
>>>>>>>> neighborhood critters think my garden is a rumpus room!
>>>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I heard something last night at midnight and on looking out the
>>>>>>>bedroom
>>>>>>>window spotted a neighbour walking her dog across my back lawn. Now I
>>>>>>>know from where the dogshit comes!
>>>>>>>I intend getting one of those motion detector sprinklers to teach her
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>lesson:-)
>>>>>>>Graham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy wine,
>>>>>>>which is kind of the same thing".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> go for it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Amen!!! btw would G&T be permitted??
>>>>
>>>> Or several tomato beers. LOL
>>>
>>> Hey whatever floats your boat ... Chin Chin ... bottoms up <g>
>>>
>>> ps what is 'tomato beer' ?
>>
>> It's beer with tomato juice added, like Snap-E-Tom, V-8 etc., often
>> called Red Dogs.
>
> Gosh! I have never heard of that till I saw it here. Do you like it?

I love them, but don't drink them often anymore. I don't drink much of
anything anymore, except once in a great while.

Cheri

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>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:00:30 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 02/08/2015 12:43 AM, Janet B wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm telling you, the lack of a dog has let all the
>>>>>>>>> neighborhood critters think my garden is a rumpus room!
>>>>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I heard something last night at midnight and on looking out the
>>>>>>>>bedroom
>>>>>>>>window spotted a neighbour walking her dog across my back lawn. Now
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>know from where the dogshit comes!
>>>>>>>>I intend getting one of those motion detector sprinklers to teach
>>>>>>>>her a
>>>>>>>>lesson:-)
>>>>>>>>Graham
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy wine,
>>>>>>>>which is kind of the same thing".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> go for it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amen!!! btw would G&T be permitted??
>>>>>
>>>>> Or several tomato beers. LOL
>>>>
>>>> Hey whatever floats your boat ... Chin Chin ... bottoms up <g>
>>>>
>>>> ps what is 'tomato beer' ?
>>>
>>> It's beer with tomato juice added, like Snap-E-Tom, V-8 etc., often
>>> called Red Dogs.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> And often ordered by people with hangovers in bars after they've had lime
>> and bitters. :-)
>>
>
> Lime and bitters? Please explain that? )

It's a wedge of lime soaked with bitters.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...

>>>> ps what is 'tomato beer' ?
>>>
>>> It's beer with tomato juice added, like Snap-E-Tom, V-8 etc., often
>>> called Red Dogs.
>>
>> Gosh! I have never heard of that till I saw it here. Do you like it?
>
> I love them, but don't drink them often anymore. I don't drink much of
> anything anymore, except once in a great while.

Aye, same here but a wee drink is nice occasionally))

>

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"Cheri" > wrote in message
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>>> And often ordered by people with hangovers in bars after they've had
>>> lime and bitters. :-)
>>>
>>
>> Lime and bitters? Please explain that? )
>
> It's a wedge of lime soaked with bitters.
>

That cures a hangover?

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On 8/3/2015 2:18 AM, Sal Paradise wrote:
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On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 10:00:38 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>> > I had to chuck 8-10 really big tomatoes yesterday because of a chomp
>> > on the bottom or the side facing away. Drives me mad.
>>
>> One year I had a woodchuck that would come around and bite a
>> bunch of green tomatoes. I was as if he bit the first one,
>> said "Yuck, I'll try another one." Lather, rinse, repeat.
>
>Here's the solution to a woodchuck in the garden problem. (if they
>burrow underneath a fence.)
>Picture of me, 1979 with a 30-30. It was a one-shot kill from about 80
>yards. It was destroying my inlaws garden.
> http://i62.tinypic.com/32zj0ud.jpg
>
>This was my last ever kill. To sad for me ever since.

Wouldja look at them locks... what a girly Gary! LOL

Since I've adopted the feral cats I have no more critter problems, and
since I cut a small hole in the garden's wire fence the ferals are
patroling in their constanly. The only damaged tomatoes I see are
from insects... just eat around the worm. Even the resident Woody, as
big as it's grown, is very wary of my ferals. There's a small entry
hole at the corner of teh one car detached garage I use as a gardening
shed. Woody used to spend time in there especially in inclement
weather but now the ferals hijacked it and won't grant Woody entry.
Click on the picture, then click on Raw Image, the picture will
enlarge and you'll see the hole. Often those ferals hunt as a pack of
six, I've seen them gang up on large racoons and possums and drive
them off... only the skunks get a pass. However the past few days the
Canada geese flock has grown to about a hundred, cats give those
honkers wide berth.
http://i60.tinypic.com/ev81du.jpg

On 8/3/2015 5:01 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
As Jeb Bush prepares for his imminent presidential campaign, the
American people must keep in mind just who this man is and the crimes he
committed rigging the 2000 presidential election, which put his brother
George W. in the Oval Office, set us on the road to the Iraq War, the
Great Recession, destroyed America’s standing in the world, altered
American history forever.

Jeb Bush just so happened to be the Governor of Florida during that
election, and as you may recall, the Florida vote was so close that
recounts were requested and eventually declared his brother the winner.
Katherine Harris, Jeb’s secretary of state and the co-chair of the
George W. campaign, organized the election system that somehow ended up
losing or spoiling the ballots of hundreds of thousands of
African-American voters, who just so coincidentally tend to vote
Democratic. During the recount period, it is documented that the
Governor’s office made 95 calls to the Bush campaign- calls which Jeb
somehow “cannot remember” the reason for. That answer is unacceptable
for allegations of such importance. Why can’t you remember, Jeb?

On 8/3/2015 4:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
As Jeb Bush prepares for his imminent presidential campaign, the
American people must keep in mind just who this man is and the crimes he
committed rigging the 2000 presidential election, which put his brother
George W. in the Oval Office, set us on the road to the Iraq War, the
Great Recession, destroyed America’s standing in the world, altered
American history forever.

Jeb Bush just so happened to be the Governor of Florida during that
election, and as you may recall, the Florida vote was so close that
recounts were requested and eventually declared his brother the winner.
Katherine Harris, Jeb’s secretary of state and the co-chair of the
George W. campaign, organized the election system that somehow ended up
losing or spoiling the ballots of hundreds of thousands of
African-American voters, who just so coincidentally tend to vote
Democratic. During the recount period, it is documented that the
Governor’s office made 95 calls to the Bush campaign- calls which Jeb
somehow “cannot remember” the reason for. That answer is unacceptable
for allegations of such importance. Why can’t you remember, Jeb?

On 8/3/2015 4:34 AM, Ophelia wrote:
As Jeb Bush prepares for his imminent presidential campaign, the
American people must keep in mind just who this man is and the crimes he
committed rigging the 2000 presidential election, which put his brother
George W. in the Oval Office, set us on the road to the Iraq War, the
Great Recession, destroyed America’s standing in the world, altered
American history forever.

Jeb Bush just so happened to be the Governor of Florida during that
election, and as you may recall, the Florida vote was so close that
recounts were requested and eventually declared his brother the winner.
Katherine Harris, Jeb’s secretary of state and the co-chair of the
George W. campaign, organized the election system that somehow ended up
losing or spoiling the ballots of hundreds of thousands of
African-American voters, who just so coincidentally tend to vote
Democratic. During the recount period, it is documented that the
Governor’s office made 95 calls to the Bush campaign- calls which Jeb
somehow “cannot remember” the reason for. That answer is unacceptable
for allegations of such importance. Why can’t you remember, Jeb?

On 8/3/2015 4:28 AM, Cheri wrote:
As Jeb Bush prepares for his imminent presidential campaign, the
American people must keep in mind just who this man is and the crimes he
committed rigging the 2000 presidential election, which put his brother
George W. in the Oval Office, set us on the road to the Iraq War, the
Great Recession, destroyed America’s standing in the world, altered
American history forever.

Jeb Bush just so happened to be the Governor of Florida during that
election, and as you may recall, the Florida vote was so close that
recounts were requested and eventually declared his brother the winner.
Katherine Harris, Jeb’s secretary of state and the co-chair of the
George W. campaign, organized the election system that somehow ended up
losing or spoiling the ballots of hundreds of thousands of
African-American voters, who just so coincidentally tend to vote
Democratic. During the recount period, it is documented that the
Governor’s office made 95 calls to the Bush campaign- calls which Jeb
somehow “cannot remember” the reason for. That answer is unacceptable
for allegations of such importance. Why can’t you remember, Jeb?

On 8/3/2015 4:28 AM, Cheri wrote:
The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense
founded on the Christian religion

The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America
and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms
a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity,
Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the
Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The
U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in
the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a
more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not
come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers
purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of
Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the
Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the
1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:

Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[bold caps, mine]

Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his
January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist
Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State."
Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation
between religion and government in the Constitution of the United
States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from
our Founding Fathers.

If religionists better understood the concept of separation of Church &
State, they would realize that the wall of separation actually protects
their religion. Our secular government allows the free expression of
religion and non-religion. Today, religions flourish in America; we have
more churches than Seven-Elevens.

Although many secular and atheist groups today support and fight for the
wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully
eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no
secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other
religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows
atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems,
regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.

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Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD!

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>

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>>> And often ordered by people with hangovers in bars after they've had
>>>> lime and bitters. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Lime and bitters? Please explain that? )
>>
>> It's a wedge of lime soaked with bitters.
>>
>
> That cures a hangover?

I doubt it, but a lot of drinkers used to swear that it helps with hiccups,
belching, etc. which a lot of late night revelers would have in the morning,
first lime and bitters, then tomato beer.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>>> And often ordered by people with hangovers in bars after they've had
>>>>> lime and bitters. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lime and bitters? Please explain that? )
>>>
>>> It's a wedge of lime soaked with bitters.
>>>
>>
>> That cures a hangover?
>
> I doubt it, but a lot of drinkers used to swear that it helps with
> hiccups, belching, etc. which a lot of late night revelers would have in
> the morning, first lime and bitters, then tomato beer.

LOL sounds errr wonderful ... ;-)


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On 8/3/2015 5:38 AM, Cheri wrote:
As Jeb Bush prepares for his imminent presidential campaign, the
American people must keep in mind just who this man is and the crimes he
committed rigging the 2000 presidential election, which put his brother
George W. in the Oval Office, set us on the road to the Iraq War, the
Great Recession, destroyed America’s standing in the world, altered
American history forever.

Jeb Bush just so happened to be the Governor of Florida during that
election, and as you may recall, the Florida vote was so close that
recounts were requested and eventually declared his brother the winner.
Katherine Harris, Jeb’s secretary of state and the co-chair of the
George W. campaign, organized the election system that somehow ended up
losing or spoiling the ballots of hundreds of thousands of
African-American voters, who just so coincidentally tend to vote
Democratic. During the recount period, it is documented that the
Governor’s office made 95 calls to the Bush campaign- calls which Jeb
somehow “cannot remember” the reason for. That answer is unacceptable
for allegations of such importance. Why can’t you remember, Jeb?

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 15:59:39 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 02/08/2015 12:43 AM, Janet B wrote:
> > I'm telling you, the lack of a dog has let all the
> >> neighborhood critters think my garden is a rumpus room!
> >> Janet US
> >>
> > I heard something last night at midnight and on looking out the bedroom
> > window spotted a neighbour walking her dog across my back lawn. Now I know
> > from where the dogshit comes!
> > I intend getting one of those motion detector sprinklers to teach her a
> > lesson:-)
>
> That sounds like a good idea

How funny! I wonder if that was designed keep critters out of the
vegetable garden or flower bed at night?

--

sf

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:56:12 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

> On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 08:20:20 -0400, Boron Elgar
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 00:43:01 -0600, Janet B >
> >wrote:
>
> snip
> >When you say tree rats, do you mean squirrels or chipmunks? We have
> >been have a lot of trouble with an exploding chipmunk population here.
> >I've no sympathy for them, as they as so destructive.
> >
> snip
> >Boron
>
> there was another raid last night. It is young raccoons getting into
> the tomatoes. They are indiscriminate. Last night was large green
> tomatoes half eaten. Everything is fenced and caged. I wish they
> would go after the cucumbers -- it's amazing what four plants can put
> out.. Sorry to hear that you are the neighborhood diner. I have to
> go out this morning and cut my rose buds so that I get to see them in
> bloom. The deer are fond of the buds.
> Janet US

Something started sampling my apples last night. One was sitting on
the fence minus a couple of bites this morning.

--

sf

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:00:30 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 02/08/2015 12:43 AM, Janet B wrote:
> I'm telling you, the lack of a dog has let all the
>> neighborhood critters think my garden is a rumpus room!
>>
>I heard something last night at midnight and on looking out the bedroom
>window spotted a neighbour walking her dog across my back lawn. Now I
>know from where the dogshit comes!
>I intend getting one of those motion detector sprinklers to teach her a
>lesson:-)

Don't forget to set up a camera as well, then post the video link here
when Ms Dog Poo gets her comeuppance.

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:56:12 -0600, Janet B >
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 08:20:20 -0400, Boron Elgar
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 00:43:01 -0600, Janet B >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > snip
> > > When you say tree rats, do you mean squirrels or chipmunks? We
> > > have been have a lot of trouble with an exploding chipmunk
> > > population here. I've no sympathy for them, as they as so
> > > destructive.
> > >
> > snip
> > > Boron
> >
> > there was another raid last night. It is young raccoons getting
> > into the tomatoes. They are indiscriminate. Last night was large
> > green tomatoes half eaten. Everything is fenced and caged. I wish
> > they would go after the cucumbers -- it's amazing what four plants
> > can put out.. Sorry to hear that you are the neighborhood diner.
> > I have to go out this morning and cut my rose buds so that I get to
> > see them in bloom. The deer are fond of the buds.
> > Janet US
>
> Something started sampling my apples last night. One was sitting on
> the fence minus a couple of bites this morning.

LOL! You grow apples too? I am now getting a generous crop per tree
(I have 2). About 35 per tree this year.

Yeah, the squirrels nibble some but not too many.

Carol

--

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:13:57 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:56:12 -0600, Janet B >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 08:20:20 -0400, Boron Elgar
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 00:43:01 -0600, Janet B >
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > snip
> > > > When you say tree rats, do you mean squirrels or chipmunks? We
> > > > have been have a lot of trouble with an exploding chipmunk
> > > > population here. I've no sympathy for them, as they as so
> > > > destructive.
> > > >
> > > snip
> > > > Boron
> > >
> > > there was another raid last night. It is young raccoons getting
> > > into the tomatoes. They are indiscriminate. Last night was large
> > > green tomatoes half eaten. Everything is fenced and caged. I wish
> > > they would go after the cucumbers -- it's amazing what four plants
> > > can put out.. Sorry to hear that you are the neighborhood diner.
> > > I have to go out this morning and cut my rose buds so that I get to
> > > see them in bloom. The deer are fond of the buds.
> > > Janet US
> >
> > Something started sampling my apples last night. One was sitting on
> > the fence minus a couple of bites this morning.
>
> LOL! You grow apples too? I am now getting a generous crop per tree
> (I have 2). About 35 per tree this year.
>
> Yeah, the squirrels nibble some but not too many.
>
We don't have (m)any squirrels here, but we have raccoons and I'm sure
we have real deal rats too. Not inside my house thank god, but
neighbors say they've spotted them walking from pole to pole on the
wires at night.

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sf

On 8/2/2015 11:56 AM, Janet B wrote:

> there was another raid last night. It is young raccoons getting into
> the tomatoes. They are indiscriminate. Last night was large green
> tomatoes half eaten. Everything is fenced and caged. I wish they
> would go after the cucumbers -- it's amazing what four plants can put
> out..

I have one plant and it must have put out 35 cucumbers already.
I think I'm under-estimating how many, to be honest. I had them
stacked on my counter like a demented green Jenga game. One day
soon it will stop just like that and I'll be sorry to see them go.

The tomatoes are really coming in strong now. I have a mortgage
lifter that the rabbit didn't manage to kill. Some Rutgers type
of tomato and some tomatoes that are round and smaller than grape
tomatoes. Those tiny ones have the flavor of three big tomatoes
condensed, very strong.

My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
vines.

nancy

On 8/2/2015 3:38 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote

>> "Cheri" > wrote

>>> It's a wedge of lime soaked with bitters.
>>>
>>
>> That cures a hangover?
>
> I doubt it, but a lot of drinkers used to swear that it helps with
> hiccups, belching, etc. which a lot of late night revelers would have in
> the morning, first lime and bitters, then tomato beer.

I've only heard of someone ordering bitters once and the bartender
said ooo, who's trying to quit drinking? and looked into the dining
room to see. Looking around I found a website, What to drink when
you're not drinking, you drink so little of it it's a good step down
from a regular drink.

nancy

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 15:59:39 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 02/08/2015 12:43 AM, Janet B wrote:
>> > I'm telling you, the lack of a dog has let all the
>> >> neighborhood critters think my garden is a rumpus room!
>> >> Janet US
>> >>
>> > I heard something last night at midnight and on looking out the bedroom
>> > window spotted a neighbour walking her dog across my back lawn. Now I
>> > know
>> > from where the dogshit comes!
>> > I intend getting one of those motion detector sprinklers to teach her a
>> > lesson:-)
>>
>> That sounds like a good idea
>
> How funny! I wonder if that was designed keep critters out of the
> vegetable garden or flower bed at night?

Well it is a critter ... with its naughty owner


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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/2/2015 3:38 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote
>
>>> "Cheri" > wrote
>
>>>> It's a wedge of lime soaked with bitters.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That cures a hangover?
>>
>> I doubt it, but a lot of drinkers used to swear that it helps with
>> hiccups, belching, etc. which a lot of late night revelers would have in
>> the morning, first lime and bitters, then tomato beer.
>
> I've only heard of someone ordering bitters once and the bartender
> said ooo, who's trying to quit drinking? and looked into the dining
> room to see. Looking around I found a website, What to drink when
> you're not drinking, you drink so little of it it's a good step down
> from a regular drink.

lol well if it works ...

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On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 22:42:26 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 8/2/2015 11:56 AM, Janet B wrote:
>
>> there was another raid last night. It is young raccoons getting into
>> the tomatoes. They are indiscriminate. Last night was large green
>> tomatoes half eaten. Everything is fenced and caged. I wish they
>> would go after the cucumbers -- it's amazing what four plants can put
>> out..
>
>I have one plant and it must have put out 35 cucumbers already.
>I think I'm under-estimating how many, to be honest. I had them
>stacked on my counter like a demented green Jenga game. One day
>soon it will stop just like that and I'll be sorry to see them go.
>
>The tomatoes are really coming in strong now. I have a mortgage
>lifter that the rabbit didn't manage to kill. Some Rutgers type
>of tomato and some tomatoes that are round and smaller than grape
>tomatoes. Those tiny ones have the flavor of three big tomatoes
>condensed, very strong.

There are several delightful varieties like that. I have grown a few,
Sweet 1000, being my favorite
>
>My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>vines.

Ahh, the age old question....some swear by pruning, others laugh in
derision. I. myself, have never done it but it is late this season to
try if you want to make the effort..

Best thing is try to grow at least two of the same variety next
year...prune one, not the other, and see if you notice a difference.

Oodles of videos online to give you guidance. Buy the time you watch 3
or so, you'll know who is talking hooey and who makes sense.

Boron

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:42:34 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:

> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
> vines.

I've never pruned my tomato vines, although I've thought about it
on numerous occasions.

Lately I've been growing my upside-down in a 5-gallon bucket hanging
from my deck. It's nice not to have to stake or cage them, but
it's a little tricky giving them enough water, but not so much that
the foliage stays wet.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/3/2015 6:27 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 22:42:26 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> tomatoes. Those tiny ones have the flavor of three big tomatoes
>> condensed, very strong.
>
> There are several delightful varieties like that. I have grown a few,
> Sweet 1000, being my favorite

I don't even know what I got. After all that work starting
tomato plants, some critter (I think rabbit) ate the leaves
off and I wound up buying a couple of plants. I thought I
bought cherry tomatoes. I bet I'll find a tag when I take
out the plants in the fall.
>>
>> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>> vines.
>
> Ahh, the age old question....some swear by pruning, others laugh in
> derision. I. myself, have never done it but it is late this season to
> try if you want to make the effort..

I won't even try, now. They are quite large and might fight back.

> Best thing is try to grow at least two of the same variety next
> year...prune one, not the other, and see if you notice a difference.

I'll think about it, but might lose my nerve next summer. They
take so long to get going, and the idea of cutting them back then
seems counter-intuitive. It's not as if I need more tomatoes,
anyway.

> Oodles of videos online to give you guidance. Buy the time you watch 3
> or so, you'll know who is talking hooey and who makes sense.

I am definitely going to be looking up those videos, great idea.
Thanks.

nancy

On 8/3/2015 6:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:42:34 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>> vines.
>
> I've never pruned my tomato vines, although I've thought about it
> on numerous occasions.

I was wondering if it was some common knowledge thing I missed
out on, everyone prunes their tomato vines. Seems to me, more
vine, more flowers, but it does get crowded in the middle.

> Lately I've been growing my upside-down in a 5-gallon bucket hanging
> from my deck. It's nice not to have to stake or cage them, but
> it's a little tricky giving them enough water, but not so much that
> the foliage stays wet.

I was seeing those for a while but not in the last few years. I
wondered if they worked well. I found some heavy duty square wire
cages that do the job holding them up. I never got those round
conical cages you see. They wouldn't hold up one branch of a big
tomato vine.

nancy

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 05:51:38 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>> I had to chuck 8-10 really big tomatoes yesterday because of a chomp
>> on the bottom or the side facing away. Drives me mad.
>
>One year I had a woodchuck that would come around and bite a
>bunch of green tomatoes. I was as if he bit the first one,
>said "Yuck, I'll try another one." Lather, rinse, repeat.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

They are incredibly destructive.

On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 8:57:47 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/3/2015 6:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:42:34 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
> >
> >> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
> >> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
> >> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
> >> vines.
> >
> > I've never pruned my tomato vines, although I've thought about it
> > on numerous occasions.
>
> I was wondering if it was some common knowledge thing I missed
> out on, everyone prunes their tomato vines. Seems to me, more
> vine, more flowers, but it does get crowded in the middle.
>
> > Lately I've been growing my upside-down in a 5-gallon bucket hanging
> > from my deck. It's nice not to have to stake or cage them, but
> > it's a little tricky giving them enough water, but not so much that
> > the foliage stays wet.
>
> I was seeing those for a while but not in the last few years.

We just made our own, from a couple of 5-gal buckets we got at
Home Despot. I had some spare fabric lying around, so I made
slipcovers. Since they're hanging from the deck, we wanted
them to be attractive.

> I wondered if they worked well.

About as well as growing tomatoes in pots ever works. Getting
them the right amount of water is tricky.

> I found some heavy duty square wire
> cages that do the job holding them up. I never got those round
> conical cages you see. They wouldn't hold up one branch of a big
> tomato vine.

You're right about those conical ones. When I was still growing
tomatoes in the ground, the best thing I found was to make a sturdy
A-frame over the row and hang a big (3" or 4" mesh) net that
the tomatoes could climb and/or be tied to. The net hung vertically
down the middle (not angled off the legs of the A-frame).

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 22:42:26 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 8/2/2015 11:56 AM, Janet B wrote:
>
>> there was another raid last night. It is young raccoons getting into
>> the tomatoes. They are indiscriminate. Last night was large green
>> tomatoes half eaten. Everything is fenced and caged. I wish they
>> would go after the cucumbers -- it's amazing what four plants can put
>> out..
>
>I have one plant and it must have put out 35 cucumbers already.
>I think I'm under-estimating how many, to be honest. I had them
>stacked on my counter like a demented green Jenga game. One day
>soon it will stop just like that and I'll be sorry to see them go.
>
>The tomatoes are really coming in strong now. I have a mortgage
>lifter that the rabbit didn't manage to kill. Some Rutgers type
>of tomato and some tomatoes that are round and smaller than grape
>tomatoes. Those tiny ones have the flavor of three big tomatoes
>condensed, very strong.
>
>My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>vines.
>
>nancy
a long, long time ago I pruned everything except the central vine. It
is an almost daily task. You need to take care that the producing
area of each segment is turned away from the post (so the tomato can
develop freely) and in my climate, I needed to have at least one leaf
shoot to provide shade for the developing fruit cluster. Another time
I tried thinning out the tomato shoots. Again, I thought it was a lot
of busy work. Currently I use round cages made of concrete
reinforcing wire. My husband made them and they are probably at least
20 years old and still going strong. The cages are the easiest way to
go.
Janet US

On 8/3/2015 10:56 AM, Janet B wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 22:42:26 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>> vines.

> a long, long time ago I pruned everything except the central vine. It
> is an almost daily task. You need to take care that the producing
> area of each segment is turned away from the post (so the tomato can
> develop freely) and in my climate, I needed to have at least one leaf
> shoot to provide shade for the developing fruit cluster. Another time
> I tried thinning out the tomato shoots. Again, I thought it was a lot
> of busy work. Currently I use round cages made of concrete
> reinforcing wire. My husband made them and they are probably at least
> 20 years old and still going strong. The cages are the easiest way to
> go.

Those cages sound great. I'll probably take a pass on pruning the
tomatoes since I'm not one for high maintenance stuff. I have my
hands full with all the deadheading and weeding I do with my flowers.
I'm inherently lazy.

nancy

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> >Picture of me, 1979 with a 30-30. It was a one-shot kill from about 80
> >yards. It was destroying my inlaws garden.
> > http://i62.tinypic.com/32zj0ud.jpg
> >
> >This was my last ever kill. To sad for me ever since.
>
> Wouldja look at them locks... what a girly Gary! LOL

LOL! Yeah, no kidding. I look at old pictures of me now and
just wonder, "WTH was I thinking back then?"
That was a goofy hairdo. This was when I transitioning from very
long hippy hair to short hair. Each haircut got shorter.

:-D

On 8/3/2015 9:51 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 8:57:47 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 8/3/2015 6:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:42:34 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>>>> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>>>> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>>>> vines.
>>>
>>> I've never pruned my tomato vines, although I've thought about it
>>> on numerous occasions.
>>
>> I was wondering if it was some common knowledge thing I missed
>> out on, everyone prunes their tomato vines. Seems to me, more
>> vine, more flowers, but it does get crowded in the middle.
>>
>>> Lately I've been growing my upside-down in a 5-gallon bucket hanging
>>> from my deck. It's nice not to have to stake or cage them, but
>>> it's a little tricky giving them enough water, but not so much that
>>> the foliage stays wet.
>>
>> I was seeing those for a while but not in the last few years.
>
> We just made our own, from a couple of 5-gal buckets we got at
> Home Despot. I had some spare fabric lying around, so I made
> slipcovers. Since they're hanging from the deck, we wanted
> them to be attractive.

Nice! I'd have to build some sort of framework if I was
to try that method.
>
>> I wondered if they worked well.
>
> About as well as growing tomatoes in pots ever works. Getting
> them the right amount of water is tricky.

Probably adding some moisture retaining granules might help
keep the soil evenly wet.

>> I found some heavy duty square wire
>> cages that do the job holding them up. I never got those round
>> conical cages you see. They wouldn't hold up one branch of a big
>> tomato vine.
>
> You're right about those conical ones.

By the time you get them into the ground, they're short
and the shape just begs to fall over. Tomato plants are
mostly tall and bushy and heavy.

> When I was still growing
> tomatoes in the ground, the best thing I found was to make a sturdy
> A-frame over the row and hang a big (3" or 4" mesh) net that
> the tomatoes could climb and/or be tied to. The net hung vertically
> down the middle (not angled off the legs of the A-frame).

That's a great idea. It would work well with my raised beds,
I'm sure.

nancy

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 22:42:26 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 8/2/2015 11:56 AM, Janet B wrote:
>
>> there was another raid last night. It is young raccoons getting into
>> the tomatoes. They are indiscriminate. Last night was large green
>> tomatoes half eaten. Everything is fenced and caged. I wish they
>> would go after the cucumbers -- it's amazing what four plants can put
>> out..
>
>I have one plant and it must have put out 35 cucumbers already.
>I think I'm under-estimating how many, to be honest. I had them
>stacked on my counter like a demented green Jenga game. One day
>soon it will stop just like that and I'll be sorry to see them go.
>
>The tomatoes are really coming in strong now. I have a mortgage
>lifter that the rabbit didn't manage to kill. Some Rutgers type
>of tomato and some tomatoes that are round and smaller than grape
>tomatoes. Those tiny ones have the flavor of three big tomatoes
>condensed, very strong.
>
>My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>vines.
>
>nancy

When pruned they grow larger seedier tomatoes, so I don't bother.
Actually I prefer the tomatoes smaller, they are meatier, with less
juice running all over when cut into. I grow mostly Romas. I buy
some seeds he http://www.lakevalleyseed.com/category_s/102.htm
They have very interesting seeds imported from Italy.

On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 12:30:17 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/3/2015 9:51 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> > About as well as growing tomatoes in pots ever works. Getting
> > them the right amount of water is tricky.
>
> Probably adding some moisture retaining granules might help
> keep the soil evenly wet.

I use Miracle Grow moisture-control potting mix. However, if I
(or my husband) overwater, the runoff goes right down the leaves,
contributing to all of those nasty mildew diseases. That reminds
me: I've got to spray 'em with sulfur tonight after the sun
swings around and they're in the shade. It was too hot yesterday
to do it. The leaves look really, really sad, but the plant is
producing best as it can.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/3/2015 5:43 AM, Ophelia wrote:
Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave women rights; rights that could
not have been imagined by European counterparts. Bold words! Words
that have been spoken repeatedly, especially in the last two or three
decades by Muslim converts, and Islamic writers, academics and educators
across the globe. Women’s rights, responsibilities, and choices have
been the subject of books, articles, essays, and lectures. Sadly
however, convincing the world that Muslim women are not oppressed by
Islam is a message that is just not getting through. Media headlines
scream oppression and the words Muslim, women, and oppression seem to
have become inextricably linked.

No matter what Muslim women do or say to try to convince the world
otherwise, words like hijab, burka, polygamy, and Sharia seem to do
little but convince people that Islam oppresses women. Even educated,
articulate women fulfilling the modest conditions of hijab can do little
to dispel the myths. Women who conduct themselves with decorum and
grace and function effortlessly in the modern world have their
achievements and successes celebrated. However, if a woman wears a
scarf, covers her hair or puts her religion above worldly pursuits she
is immediately labelled oppressed. One wonders if this is the case for
women of other religious persuasions.