On 8/3/2015 11:29 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:57:40 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 8/3/2015 6:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:42:34 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>>> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>>> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>>> vines.
>>
>> I've never pruned my tomato vines, although I've thought about it
>> on numerous occasions.
>
>I was wondering if it was some common knowledge thing I missed
>out on, everyone prunes their tomato vines. Seems to me, more
>vine, more flowers, but it does get crowded in the middle.
>
>> Lately I've been growing my upside-down in a 5-gallon bucket hanging
>> from my deck. It's nice not to have to stake or cage them, but
>> it's a little tricky giving them enough water, but not so much that
>> the foliage stays wet.
>
>I was seeing those for a while but not in the last few years. I
>wondered if they worked well. I found some heavy duty square wire
>cages that do the job holding them up. I never got those round
>conical cages you see. They wouldn't hold up one branch of a big
>tomato vine.

I've been switching to the new brightly colored cages, easier to spot
the tomatoes than in those dark green cages. You can spray paint your
cages, spray a few at once, lay them on the ground on newspaper.
http://www.rustoleum.com/product-cat...e-enamel-spray
http://www.finegardening.com/pruning-tomatoes

On 8/4/2015 12:56 AM, Janet B wrote:
Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave women rights; rights that could
not have been imagined by European counterparts. Bold words! Words
that have been spoken repeatedly, especially in the last two or three
decades by Muslim converts, and Islamic writers, academics and educators
across the globe. Women’s rights, responsibilities, and choices have
been the subject of books, articles, essays, and lectures. Sadly
however, convincing the world that Muslim women are not oppressed by
Islam is a message that is just not getting through. Media headlines
scream oppression and the words Muslim, women, and oppression seem to
have become inextricably linked.

No matter what Muslim women do or say to try to convince the world
otherwise, words like hijab, burka, polygamy, and Sharia seem to do
little but convince people that Islam oppresses women. Even educated,
articulate women fulfilling the modest conditions of hijab can do little
to dispel the myths. Women who conduct themselves with decorum and
grace and function effortlessly in the modern world have their
achievements and successes celebrated. However, if a woman wears a
scarf, covers her hair or puts her religion above worldly pursuits she
is immediately labelled oppressed. One wonders if this is the case for
women of other religious persuasions.

On 8/3/2015 12:47 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave women rights; rights that could
not have been imagined by European counterparts. Bold words! Words
that have been spoken repeatedly, especially in the last two or three
decades by Muslim converts, and Islamic writers, academics and educators
across the globe. Women’s rights, responsibilities, and choices have
been the subject of books, articles, essays, and lectures. Sadly
however, convincing the world that Muslim women are not oppressed by
Islam is a message that is just not getting through. Media headlines
scream oppression and the words Muslim, women, and oppression seem to
have become inextricably linked.

No matter what Muslim women do or say to try to convince the world
otherwise, words like hijab, burka, polygamy, and Sharia seem to do
little but convince people that Islam oppresses women. Even educated,
articulate women fulfilling the modest conditions of hijab can do little
to dispel the myths. Women who conduct themselves with decorum and
grace and function effortlessly in the modern world have their
achievements and successes celebrated. However, if a woman wears a
scarf, covers her hair or puts her religion above worldly pursuits she
is immediately labelled oppressed. One wonders if this is the case for
women of other religious persuasions.

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On 8/3/2015 2:30 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:57:40 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> I found some heavy duty square wire
>> cages that do the job holding them up.

> I've been switching to the new brightly colored cages, easier to spot
> the tomatoes than in those dark green cages.

Mine are just a shiny silver metal. I wondered if they'd
burn the vines but they don't seem to care.

> You can spray paint your
> cages, spray a few at once, lay them on the ground on newspaper.

I have thought of it. I do like the looks of the colorful cages
I see.

> http://www.finegardening.com/pruning-tomatoes

Thanks for the link about the pruning, appreciate it.

nancy

On 8/2/2015 10:42 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>
> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
> vines.
>
> nancy
>

Sometimes I do. Rather than put the energy into growing leaves, it is
supposed to put that energy into the fruit. Personally, I've not seen a
real difference.

I met a grower that did some work for Campbell's years ago. He says a
good plant in proper soil should yield a bushel of fruit. I never got
half that.

On 8/4/2015 5:23 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/4/2015 5:34 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/4/2015 5:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/4/2015 5:01 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/4/2015 5:51 AM, graham wrote:
Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave women rights; rights that could
not have been imagined by European counterparts. Bold words! Words
that have been spoken repeatedly, especially in the last two or three
decades by Muslim converts, and Islamic writers, academics and educators
across the globe. Women’s rights, responsibilities, and choices have
been the subject of books, articles, essays, and lectures. Sadly
however, convincing the world that Muslim women are not oppressed by
Islam is a message that is just not getting through. Media headlines
scream oppression and the words Muslim, women, and oppression seem to
have become inextricably linked.

No matter what Muslim women do or say to try to convince the world
otherwise, words like hijab, burka, polygamy, and Sharia seem to do
little but convince people that Islam oppresses women. Even educated,
articulate women fulfilling the modest conditions of hijab can do little
to dispel the myths. Women who conduct themselves with decorum and
grace and function effortlessly in the modern world have their
achievements and successes celebrated. However, if a woman wears a
scarf, covers her hair or puts her religion above worldly pursuits she
is immediately labelled oppressed. One wonders if this is the case for
women of other religious persuasions.

On 8/4/2015 6:08 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/4/2015 6:39 AM, Ophelia wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/4/2015 6:53 AM, Ophelia wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 2015-08-03 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/2/2015 10:42 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>
>> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>> vines.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
> Sometimes I do. Rather than put the energy into growing leaves, it is
> supposed to put that energy into the fruit. Personally, I've not seen a
> real difference.

?? What energy? The plant gets its energy from the sun. The leaves are
what absorb the sun's rays and use it to transform the other nutrients
to a form of energy the plant can use.



> I met a grower that did some work for Campbell's years ago. He says a
> good plant in proper soil should yield a bushel of fruit. I never got
> half that.

My father grew lots of tomatoes. They were bountiful and big and tasty,
but I don't think he ever got anywhere near a bushel from a single plant.

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:11:14 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-08-03 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/2/2015 10:42 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>>> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>>> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>>> vines.
>>
>> Sometimes I do. Rather than put the energy into growing leaves, it is
>> supposed to put that energy into the fruit. Personally, I've not seen a
>> real difference.
>
>?? What energy? The plant gets its energy from the sun. The leaves are
>what absorb the sun's rays and use it to transform the other nutrients
>to a form of energy the plant can use.

I know for a fact that the technique works on tomatoes and other crops
as well (assuming we're talking about thinning out shoots and fruiting
buds). Yes, the leaves provide energy from the sun, but the plants
still expends a lot of energy growing lots of fruit, rather than
fewer, better ones where the smaller/inferior ones have been removed.
Same with fruit trees.

On 2015-08-03 5:22 PM, Je�us wrote:

>> ?? What energy? The plant gets its energy from the sun. The leaves are
>> what absorb the sun's rays and use it to transform the other nutrients
>> to a form of energy the plant can use.
>
> I know for a fact that the technique works on tomatoes and other crops
> as well (assuming we're talking about thinning out shoots and fruiting
> buds). Yes, the leaves provide energy from the sun, but the plants
> still expends a lot of energy growing lots of fruit, rather than
> fewer, better ones where the smaller/inferior ones have been removed.
> Same with fruit trees.
>


I am thinking of times past when friends grew their own and plucked off
the buds so that energy would not be wasted on flowers and the plants
would grow more leaves.

On 8/3/2015 3:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 10:00:38 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had to chuck 8-10 really big tomatoes yesterday because of a chomp
>>>> on the bottom or the side facing away. Drives me mad.
>>>
>>> One year I had a woodchuck that would come around and bite a
>>> bunch of green tomatoes. I was as if he bit the first one,
>>> said "Yuck, I'll try another one." Lather, rinse, repeat.
>>
>> Here's the solution to a woodchuck in the garden problem. (if they
>> burrow underneath a fence.)
>> Picture of me, 1979 with a 30-30. It was a one-shot kill from about 80
>> yards. It was destroying my inlaws garden.
>> http://i62.tinypic.com/32zj0ud.jpg
>
> I'm intrigued by the Photoshoppped arm on the right.
>

Sqwerty reaching in for the cuddle...

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:26:22 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-08-03 5:22 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>>> ?? What energy? The plant gets its energy from the sun. The leaves are
>>> what absorb the sun's rays and use it to transform the other nutrients
>>> to a form of energy the plant can use.
>>
>> I know for a fact that the technique works on tomatoes and other crops
>> as well (assuming we're talking about thinning out shoots and fruiting
>> buds). Yes, the leaves provide energy from the sun, but the plants
>> still expends a lot of energy growing lots of fruit, rather than
>> fewer, better ones where the smaller/inferior ones have been removed.
>> Same with fruit trees.
>>
>
>
>I am thinking of times past when friends grew their own and plucked off
>the buds so that energy would not be wasted on flowers and the plants
>would grow more leaves.

Oh... I have no idea what the benefit would be doing that?

Which reminds me of my first tomato crop when I moved here - they were
growing well, and fruiting well too - then they got hit with a few
hard frosts. The plants went black, lost their leaves, but the young
green fruit remained. Well, those fruit kept on growing and
maturing... into the nicest tomatoes I can I ever recall eating. I
can't explain why that is, but they were just fantastic and made the
best tomato sauce/ketchup.

On 8/3/2015 3:35 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:26:22 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-03 5:22 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>
>>>> ?? What energy? The plant gets its energy from the sun. The leaves are
>>>> what absorb the sun's rays and use it to transform the other nutrients
>>>> to a form of energy the plant can use.
>>>
>>> I know for a fact that the technique works on tomatoes and other crops
>>> as well (assuming we're talking about thinning out shoots and fruiting
>>> buds). Yes, the leaves provide energy from the sun, but the plants
>>> still expends a lot of energy growing lots of fruit, rather than
>>> fewer, better ones where the smaller/inferior ones have been removed.
>>> Same with fruit trees.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I am thinking of times past when friends grew their own and plucked off
>> the buds so that energy would not be wasted on flowers and the plants
>> would grow more leaves.
>
> Oh... I have no idea what the benefit would be doing that?
>
> Which reminds me of my first tomato crop when I moved here - they were
> growing well, and fruiting well too - then they got hit with a few
> hard frosts. The plants went black, lost their leaves, but the young
> green fruit remained. Well, those fruit kept on growing and
> maturing... into the nicest tomatoes I can I ever recall eating. I
> can't explain why that is, but they were just fantastic and made the
> best tomato sauce/ketchup.
>

Are you DENSE?

They developed more sugar, similar to an ice wine.

Same thing makes chiles extra tasty.

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:11:14 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-08-03 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>
>> Sometimes I do. Rather than put the energy into growing leaves, it is
>> supposed to put that energy into the fruit. Personally, I've not seen a
>> real difference.
>
>?? What energy? The plant gets its energy from the sun. The leaves are
>what absorb the sun's rays and use it to transform the other nutrients
>to a form of energy the plant can use.

snip
plants 'spend' energy in producing leaves and fruit. They can spend
the energy on producing leaves or more fruit.
Janet US

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:26:22 -0400, Dave Smith <
snip
>
>
>I am thinking of times past when friends grew their own and plucked off
>the buds so that energy would not be wasted on flowers and the plants
>would grow more leaves.

that's what they thought they were doing. The purpose behind pinching
off extra buds is to make sure that the one remaining bud grows huge.
All the plant energy is directed to that piece of fruit. You do not
want to encourage extra leaves. Many leaves means that plant energy
is expended to leaf growing to the detriment of fruit production.
Anyway, To encourage extra leaves, you use a fertilizer with a high
nitrogen content. That's why lawn fertilizers have a high first
number (N) in relationship to the other 2 numbers. Fertilizers for
fruits and vegetables generally have 3 equal numbers like 10-10-10.
Janet US

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:41:29 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 9:59:49 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
> > >
> > > > I had to chuck 8-10 really big tomatoes yesterday because of a chomp
> > > > on the bottom or the side facing away. Drives me mad.
> > >
> > > One year I had a woodchuck that would come around and bite a
> > > bunch of green tomatoes. I was as if he bit the first one,
> > > said "Yuck, I'll try another one." Lather, rinse, repeat.
> >
> > Here's the solution to a woodchuck in the garden problem. (if they
> > burrow underneath a fence.)
> > Picture of me, 1979 with a 30-30. It was a one-shot kill from about 80
> > yards. It was destroying my inlaws garden.
> > http://i62.tinypic.com/32zj0ud.jpg
> >
> > This was my last ever kill. To sad for me ever since.
>
> I don't think that would work here; we're a little too urbanized.
> There's a trailer park (quite a nice one) behind our property; I think
> they wouldn't like lead coming through their walls if he skipped
> one off the ground.
>
> My husband is sudden death with a BB gun on squirrels, though.
>
They won't let you BB gun the squirrels around here. : (
>
> Cindy Hamilton

--Bryan

On 8/3/2015 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/2/2015 10:42 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>
>> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>> vines.

> I met a grower that did some work for Campbell's years ago. He says a
> good plant in proper soil should yield a bushel of fruit. I never got
> half that.

A bushel! Clearly I'm doing something wrong. Ha. I get a
good amount from my plants, enough to freeze some and maybe give
the neighbors some, but a bushel per plant? Not even close.

nancy

On 8/3/2015 5:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>
>> Sometimes I do. Rather than put the energy into growing leaves, it is
>> supposed to put that energy into the fruit. Personally, I've not seen a
>> real difference.
>
> ?? What energy? The plant gets its energy from the sun. The leaves are
> what absorb the sun's rays and use it to transform the other nutrients
> to a form of energy the plant can use.
>
>

I'm not a botanist, but I've seen plants with lush foliage and little
fruit and I've seen others with few leaves and lots of large fruit. It
sucks nutrients from the soil and it can go to leaves or fruit.

On 8/3/2015 9:39 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/3/2015 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/2/2015 10:42 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>>> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>>> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>>> vines.
>
>> I met a grower that did some work for Campbell's years ago. He says a
>> good plant in proper soil should yield a bushel of fruit. I never got
>> half that.
>
> A bushel! Clearly I'm doing something wrong. Ha. I get a
> good amount from my plants, enough to freeze some and maybe give
> the neighbors some, but a bushel per plant? Not even close.
>
> nancy
>

This was in New Jersey where they have some of the best growing
conditions for tomatoes. I could never come close on the total of my
plants let alone one.

On 8/3/2015 6:24 PM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>> My husband is sudden death with a BB gun on squirrels, though.
>> >
> They won't let you BB gun the squirrels around here. : (



Did your son get busted for popping off squirrels?

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 22:42:26 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 8/2/2015 11:56 AM, Janet B wrote:
>
>> there was another raid last night. It is young raccoons getting into
>> the tomatoes. They are indiscriminate. Last night was large green
>> tomatoes half eaten. Everything is fenced and caged. I wish they
>> would go after the cucumbers -- it's amazing what four plants can put
>> out..
>
>I have one plant and it must have put out 35 cucumbers already.
>I think I'm under-estimating how many, to be honest. I had them
>stacked on my counter like a demented green Jenga game. One day
>soon it will stop just like that and I'll be sorry to see them go.
>
>The tomatoes are really coming in strong now. I have a mortgage
>lifter that the rabbit didn't manage to kill. Some Rutgers type
>of tomato and some tomatoes that are round and smaller than grape
>tomatoes. Those tiny ones have the flavor of three big tomatoes
>condensed, very strong.
>
>My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>put square wire cages arounhd them and let them go. I've heard
>of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>vines.
>
>nancy

I always prune, or rather, pinch out the growing tips. This makes more
branches and more tomatoes. I have regularly had plants that grew huge
using this method yielded about 40 kilos of fruit. You need a good
support structure.

JB

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 22:39:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/3/2015 9:39 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 8/3/2015 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2015 10:42 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>>>> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>>>> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>>>> vines.
>>
>>> I met a grower that did some work for Campbell's years ago. He says a
>>> good plant in proper soil should yield a bushel of fruit. I never got
>>> half that.
>>
>> A bushel! Clearly I'm doing something wrong. Ha. I get a
>> good amount from my plants, enough to freeze some and maybe give
>> the neighbors some, but a bushel per plant? Not even close.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
>This was in New Jersey where they have some of the best growing
>conditions for tomatoes. I could never come close on the total of my
>plants let alone one.


The tomatoes grown for the commercial purposes of Campbell's would
vary greatly from backyard gardener types. They need high yield,
easily picked, all similarly sized fruit. Flavor takes a back seat.

Although I must say that we call it the Garden State for a reason.

On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 8:24:25 PM UTC-4, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:41:29 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 9:59:49 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I had to chuck 8-10 really big tomatoes yesterday because of a chomp
> > > > > on the bottom or the side facing away. Drives me mad.
> > > >
> > > > One year I had a woodchuck that would come around and bite a
> > > > bunch of green tomatoes. I was as if he bit the first one,
> > > > said "Yuck, I'll try another one." Lather, rinse, repeat.
> > >
> > > Here's the solution to a woodchuck in the garden problem. (if they
> > > burrow underneath a fence.)
> > > Picture of me, 1979 with a 30-30. It was a one-shot kill from about 80
> > > yards. It was destroying my inlaws garden.
> > > http://i62.tinypic.com/32zj0ud.jpg
> > >
> > > This was my last ever kill. To sad for me ever since.
> >
> > I don't think that would work here; we're a little too urbanized.
> > There's a trailer park (quite a nice one) behind our property; I think
> > they wouldn't like lead coming through their walls if he skipped
> > one off the ground.
> >
> > My husband is sudden death with a BB gun on squirrels, though.
> >
> They won't let you BB gun the squirrels around here. : (

If they knew, "They" probably wouldn't allow it here, either.
But you get a lot of leeway on a 2-acre lot with plenty of
mature trees.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:16:13 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:26:22 -0400, Dave Smith <
>snip
>>
>>
>>I am thinking of times past when friends grew their own and plucked off
>>the buds so that energy would not be wasted on flowers and the plants
>>would grow more leaves.
>
>that's what they thought they were doing. The purpose behind pinching
>off extra buds is to make sure that the one remaining bud grows huge.
>All the plant energy is directed to that piece of fruit. You do not
>want to encourage extra leaves. Many leaves means that plant energy
>is expended to leaf growing to the detriment of fruit production.
>Anyway, To encourage extra leaves, you use a fertilizer with a high
>nitrogen content. That's why lawn fertilizers have a high first
>number (N) in relationship to the other 2 numbers. Fertilizers for
>fruits and vegetables generally have 3 equal numbers like 10-10-10.
>Janet US

Orchardmen pinch off every other fruit while tiny. I planted some
pumpkin seeds this year, I only allow one pumpkin to form on each
plant. With summer squash and cukes I pick often while small, the
plants produce more and the smaller fruit are practically seedless.

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:24:18 -0700 (PDT), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:41:29 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 9:59:49 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I had to chuck 8-10 really big tomatoes yesterday because of a chomp
>> > > > on the bottom or the side facing away. Drives me mad.
>> > >
>> > > One year I had a woodchuck that would come around and bite a
>> > > bunch of green tomatoes. I was as if he bit the first one,
>> > > said "Yuck, I'll try another one." Lather, rinse, repeat.
>> >
>> > Here's the solution to a woodchuck in the garden problem. (if they
>> > burrow underneath a fence.)
>> > Picture of me, 1979 with a 30-30. It was a one-shot kill from about 80
>> > yards. It was destroying my inlaws garden.
>> > http://i62.tinypic.com/32zj0ud.jpg
>> >
>> > This was my last ever kill. To sad for me ever since.
>>
>> I don't think that would work here; we're a little too urbanized.
>> There's a trailer park (quite a nice one) behind our property; I think
>> they wouldn't like lead coming through their walls if he skipped
>> one off the ground.
>>
>> My husband is sudden death with a BB gun on squirrels, though.
>>
>They won't let you BB gun the squirrels around here. : (
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>--Bryan

Since I have the feral cats I haven't seen a squirrel.

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:39:33 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
wrote:

>On 8/3/2015 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/2/2015 10:42 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My question is this, do you all prune your tomato vines? I just
>>> put square wire cages around them and let them go. I've heard
>>> of people pruning them so they grow more tomatoes on more linear
>>> vines.
>
>> I met a grower that did some work for Campbell's years ago. He says a
>> good plant in proper soil should yield a bushel of fruit. I never got
>> half that.
>
>A bushel! Clearly I'm doing something wrong. Ha. I get a
>good amount from my plants, enough to freeze some and maybe give
>the neighbors some, but a bushel per plant? Not even close.
>
>nancy

Campbell's uses tons of chemferts.

Bruce wrote:
>
> >Picture of me, 1979 with a 30-30. It was a one-shot kill from about 80
> >yards. It was destroying my inlaws garden.
> > http://i62.tinypic.com/32zj0ud.jpg
>
> I'm intrigued by the Photoshoppped arm on the right.

lol! I never caught that. It's not photoshopped. My wife made a
collage many years ago of family pictures that we had. I scanned the
thing and didn't crop off that arm. It's my young daughter's arm
there.

On 8/4/2015 7:24 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:24:18 -0700 (PDT), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:41:29 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 9:59:49 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had to chuck 8-10 really big tomatoes yesterday because of a chomp
>>>>>> on the bottom or the side facing away. Drives me mad.
>>>>>
>>>>> One year I had a woodchuck that would come around and bite a
>>>>> bunch of green tomatoes. I was as if he bit the first one,
>>>>> said "Yuck, I'll try another one." Lather, rinse, repeat.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the solution to a woodchuck in the garden problem. (if they
>>>> burrow underneath a fence.)
>>>> Picture of me, 1979 with a 30-30. It was a one-shot kill from about 80
>>>> yards. It was destroying my inlaws garden.
>>>> http://i62.tinypic.com/32zj0ud.jpg
>>>>
>>>> This was my last ever kill. To sad for me ever since.
>>>
>>> I don't think that would work here; we're a little too urbanized.
>>> There's a trailer park (quite a nice one) behind our property; I think
>>> they wouldn't like lead coming through their walls if he skipped
>>> one off the ground.
>>>
>>> My husband is sudden death with a BB gun on squirrels, though.
>>>
>> They won't let you BB gun the squirrels around here. : (
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> --Bryan
>
> Since I have the feral cats I haven't seen a squirrel.
>

Mmmm...feral cats demand a .25 mag to the brain pan...

On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 10:35:06 -0600, TRS > wrote:

>On 8/4/2015 7:24 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:24:18 -0700 (PDT), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:41:29 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 9:59:49 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had to chuck 8-10 really big tomatoes yesterday because of a chomp
>>>>>>> on the bottom or the side facing away. Drives me mad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One year I had a woodchuck that would come around and bite a
>>>>>> bunch of green tomatoes. I was as if he bit the first one,
>>>>>> said "Yuck, I'll try another one." Lather, rinse, repeat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the solution to a woodchuck in the garden problem. (if they
>>>>> burrow underneath a fence.)
>>>>> Picture of me, 1979 with a 30-30. It was a one-shot kill from about 80
>>>>> yards. It was destroying my inlaws garden.
>>>>> http://i62.tinypic.com/32zj0ud.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> This was my last ever kill. To sad for me ever since.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that would work here; we're a little too urbanized.
>>>> There's a trailer park (quite a nice one) behind our property; I think
>>>> they wouldn't like lead coming through their walls if he skipped
>>>> one off the ground.
>>>>
>>>> My husband is sudden death with a BB gun on squirrels, though.
>>>>
>>> They won't let you BB gun the squirrels around here. : (
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>> Since I have the feral cats I haven't seen a squirrel.
>>
>
>Mmmm...feral cats demand a .25 mag to the brain pan...

Try that here and you'd be stuffed with double ought buck, and no one
would ever find your corpse other than turkey vultures.

On 8/4/2015 12:01 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 10:35:06 -0600, TRS > wrote:
>
>> On 8/4/2015 7:24 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:24:18 -0700 (PDT), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:41:29 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 9:59:49 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had to chuck 8-10 really big tomatoes yesterday because of a chomp
>>>>>>>> on the bottom or the side facing away. Drives me mad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One year I had a woodchuck that would come around and bite a
>>>>>>> bunch of green tomatoes. I was as if he bit the first one,
>>>>>>> said "Yuck, I'll try another one." Lather, rinse, repeat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the solution to a woodchuck in the garden problem. (if they
>>>>>> burrow underneath a fence.)
>>>>>> Picture of me, 1979 with a 30-30. It was a one-shot kill from about 80
>>>>>> yards. It was destroying my inlaws garden.
>>>>>> http://i62.tinypic.com/32zj0ud.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was my last ever kill. To sad for me ever since.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think that would work here; we're a little too urbanized.
>>>>> There's a trailer park (quite a nice one) behind our property; I think
>>>>> they wouldn't like lead coming through their walls if he skipped
>>>>> one off the ground.
>>>>>
>>>>> My husband is sudden death with a BB gun on squirrels, though.
>>>>>
>>>> They won't let you BB gun the squirrels around here. : (
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> --Bryan
>>>
>>> Since I have the feral cats I haven't seen a squirrel.
>>>
>>
>> Mmmm...feral cats demand a .25 mag to the brain pan...
>
> Try that here and you'd be stuffed with double ought buck, and no one
> would ever find your corpse other than turkey vultures.

Any feral cat that crosses upon my property would be dispatched humanely
and swiftly.

The same could be expected for firearm bearing trespassers, period.