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On 8/7/2015 6:55 PM, Gary wrote:
George HW Bush is a known evil pedophile, who ran a Congressional
Blackmail Child Sex Ring during the 1980s known as “Operation Brownstone
and Operation Brownstar”, and later to become known as “The Finders or
The Franklin Coverup”. U.S. Vice President George HW Bush would sneak
children over to Senator Barney Frank’s condo, known as a “Brownstone”
to their famous cocktail parties, where U.S. Congressman and U.S.
Senators — some willing and some unwilling participants — got a taste of
the “Voodoo Drug” in their drink.

To prove a case, you need one that was involved in an operation or a
witness or documents; in this case, U.S. Customs documents prove the
case without getting anyone still living killed. Inside the (scribd)
document below is an article that appeared in US News and World report
December 27 1993, entitled “Through a Glass Very Darkly”. This includes
cops, spies and a very old investigation — also copies of the U.S.
Customs Reports where the names are not blacked out.
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On 8/7/2015 7:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
George HW Bush is a known evil pedophile, who ran a Congressional
Blackmail Child Sex Ring during the 1980s known as “Operation Brownstone
and Operation Brownstar”, and later to become known as “The Finders or
The Franklin Coverup”. U.S. Vice President George HW Bush would sneak
children over to Senator Barney Frank’s condo, known as a “Brownstone”
to their famous cocktail parties, where U.S. Congressman and U.S.
Senators — some willing and some unwilling participants — got a taste of
the “Voodoo Drug” in their drink.

To prove a case, you need one that was involved in an operation or a
witness or documents; in this case, U.S. Customs documents prove the
case without getting anyone still living killed. Inside the (scribd)
document below is an article that appeared in US News and World report
December 27 1993, entitled “Through a Glass Very Darkly”. This includes
cops, spies and a very old investigation — also copies of the U.S.
Customs Reports where the names are not blacked out.
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On 8/7/2015 2:14 PM, TRS wrote:
George HW Bush is a known evil pedophile, who ran a Congressional
Blackmail Child Sex Ring during the 1980s known as “Operation Brownstone
and Operation Brownstar”, and later to become known as “The Finders or
The Franklin Coverup”. U.S. Vice President George HW Bush would sneak
children over to Senator Barney Frank’s condo, known as a “Brownstone”
to their famous cocktail parties, where U.S. Congressman and U.S.
Senators — some willing and some unwilling participants — got a taste of
the “Voodoo Drug” in their drink.

To prove a case, you need one that was involved in an operation or a
witness or documents; in this case, U.S. Customs documents prove the
case without getting anyone still living killed. Inside the (scribd)
document below is an article that appeared in US News and World report
December 27 1993, entitled “Through a Glass Very Darkly”. This includes
cops, spies and a very old investigation — also copies of the U.S.
Customs Reports where the names are not blacked out.
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Get the **** out of here, you FAT FRAUD biotch troll!




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In article >, says...
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > On 8/7/2015 4:55 AM, Gary wrote:
> > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dried beef *is* pretty expensive for what it is, very low-quality
> > >> ground beef with salt and nitrites dried to 50% it's original weight -
> > >> about $5/lb in raw to finished materials and processing. It's not a
> > >> big seller at retail and is only kept around for nostalgia's sake.
> > >> Same with those tiny glass bottles of "Olde English' cheese spreads
> > >> and soon to be SPAM, both of which are also artificially expensive.
> > >
> > > The "Olde English" cheese is certainly nothing special.
> > > I have a crab recipe that calls for it and I always bought the OE
> > > cheese thinking it had some special taste. I never tasted it plain, I
> > > just mixed it in. Last time though I decided to try a spoonful by
> > > itself. I couldn't believe I'd been paying so much for this tiny jar
> > > all the years. It tastes just like 'american cheese product' to me.
> > >
> > > Next time I make this recipe I'll just melt some of those slices. Or
> > > maybe buy some real mild cheddar from the deli to melt. All about the
> > > same taste.
> > >

> > There's always Cheese-Whiz

>
> Seriously, that's probably just as good as that stupid Olde English
> cheese.


You do know that crap is an olde American product, just for
Americans.

Janet UK


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> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 10:32:25 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 22:17:06 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 13:31:16 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > >
> >>> All true... aboard ship all versions were prepared but SOS with

> dried >>> chipped beef wasn't served all that often as it was the
> costliest meal >>> served... I often added quartered hard cooked eggs
> as a stretcher... >>> the crew liked it so much that they requested
> it without the chipped >>> beef, they thought I invented the dish, I
> never told them otherwise. >>> In 1960 eggs were cheap, dried
> chipped beef cost the navy $17/lb.
> > >
> > > You're mistaken. Dried chipped beef doesn't even cost that much
> > > in 2015. And beef costs 8 times as much now as it did in 1963.

> >
> > You as much as anyone should know that the grubbermint pays
> > exhorbitant prices for everything, always did... but even so:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Hormel-Dried-S.../B00CHTSEZA/re
> > f=sr_1_3?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1438868881&sr=1-3&keywords=dried+chip
> > ped+beef At Amazon my math says it costs $1.50/oz or $24/lb.

>
> That's Amazon, you dolt. They have the highest food prices around
> especially when it comes from third parties.
>
> At a real grocery store I paid $4.19 for a 5oz bottle of the Whoremel
> dried beef which I used just a couple days ago to make this (and will
> be eating the leftovers this morning):
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwert...tostream/light
> box/
>
> Even Walmart online sells it for $1.10/oz online - including shipping.
>
> But what's perplexing is why you think the military was paying 2020's
> retail prices for food back in 1960? These are not toilet seats. The
> military was paying bargain basement prices for food (which ispart of
> what the OP article is about!).
>
> Dried beef is pretty expensive for what it is, very low-quality
> ground beef with salt and nitrites dried to 50% it's original weight -
> about $5/lb in raw to finished materials and processing. It's not a
> big seller at retail and is only kept around for nostalgia's sake.
> Same with those tiny glass bottles of "Olde English' cheese spreads
> and soon to be SPAM, both of which are also artificially expensive.
>
> -sw


I can help here though not on the pricing.

A Navy ship has only so much storage room and a significant portion of
it is not 'refer' (refridgerated). Hence we need a fair amount of
supplies that do not require freezing or refridgeration.

Ground beef (or beef you can grind) requires one or the other and
generally freezing to last long at all. Chipped dried beef can be in a
general store room and hold well up to 120F in places like the gulf.

The longer back you look in time, the higher the need for that canned
and other wise type of storage due to smaller 'refer' capacity per crew
member. It would have also been a time of higher need because resupply
ships were probably pretty thin.

Sheldon dates from a much earlier time so his information can be dated
but he has some things right.

Here's a picture for you. It took all 300 of us to load food for a 3
month trip and we did it in about 4 hours, with lines passing food down
and the CS (cooks) directing which went to which line then us passing
and stacking. This was multiple times 2001-2003 (2004-2007 was a bigger
ship and I was not involved) except in a forign port and then did it
with the duty section).

Grin, I picked my favorite line and a CS3 (E4) or sometimes a CSSN (E3)
told me what split where (I was E8 in charge of the team but not what
went where) and we got it all stowed. We had one refer and a regular
'no ac at all' off our line and it wasn't too hard to see what went
where. When they needed extra folks to stack stuff in the room, we;d
stretch out the line and send some down to the storage room to help out.

Although this is actually hard labor, it's also fun if you do it right
and I generally had more join my line than we needed so I'd have to
send some back to other places. We made it fun with sea chants or
popular songs and such.

Resupply works only in major sea concentration areas and I've
experienced resupplying a 'supply' ship when you got out to Asia areas
when we had more than they did.

Carol, USN RET
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> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:35:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 10:32:25 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 22:17:06 -0500, Sqwertz

> > >> wrote:
> >>
> > > > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 13:31:16 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > >
> >>>> All true... aboard ship all versions were prepared but SOS with

> dried >>>> chipped beef wasn't served all that often as it was the
> costliest meal >>>> served... I often added quartered hard cooked
> eggs as a stretcher... >>>> the crew liked it so much that they
> requested it without the chipped >>>> beef, they thought I invented
> the dish, I never told them otherwise. >>>> In 1960 eggs were cheap,
> dried chipped beef cost the navy $17/lb.
> > > >
> > > > You're mistaken. Dried chipped beef doesn't even cost that
> > > > much in 2015. And beef costs 8 times as much now as it did in
> > > > 1963.
> >>
> >> You as much as anyone should know that the grubbermint pays
> >> exhorbitant prices for everything, always did... but even so:
> >>

> http://www.amazon.com/Hormel-Dried-S...00CHTSEZA/ref=
> sr_1_3?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1438868881&sr=1-3&keywords=dried+chipped+
> beef >> At Amazon my math says it costs $1.50/oz or $24/lb.
> >
> > That's Amazon, you dolt. They have the highest food prices around
> > especially when it comes from third parties.
> >
> > At a real grocery store I paid $4.19 for a 5oz bottle of the
> > Whoremel dried beef which I used just a couple days ago to make
> > this (and will be eating the leftovers this morning):
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwert...hotostream/lig
> > htbox/
> >
> > Even Walmart online sells it for $1.10/oz online - including
> > shipping.
> >
> > But what's perplexing is why you think the military was paying
> > 2020's retail prices for food back in 1960? These are not toilet
> > seats. The military was paying bargain basement prices for food
> > (which ispart of what the OP article is about!).
> >
> > Dried beef is pretty expensive for what it is, very low-quality
> > ground beef

>
> Actually it's not ground, it's a good cut of beef that's cured, dried,
> and shaved.
>


There are some really cheap versions formed of ground beef. Normally
seen at WalMart and such.

That was not what we got in the Navy. Dunno pricing as I was not a CS
but I suspect some level of price to get it to your ship would be
involved in the final stats on it.

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On 8/8/2015 11:30 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> You don't have cheddar cheese spreads in the UK?
>
> -sw

**** off.

Drop dead.

GET OUT!
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On 8/9/2015 1:48 AM, Janet wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.
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On 8/9/2015 3:28 AM, cshenk wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.



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> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 15:32:42 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:35:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dried beef is pretty expensive for what it is, very low-quality
> > > ground beef

> >
> > Actually it's not ground, it's a good cut of beef that's cured,
> > dried, and shaved.

>
> If that's a good cut of beef then so is MY ASS!
>
> Anybody who has ever eaten or even LOOKED looked at the classic
> Whoremel/Armour dried beef in the last 30 years knows it's made from
> ground up ("chipped" they like to call it), extruded beef.
>
> You are truly out of touch with reality if you think it's made from
> solid muscle. Or even glued muscles. There is absolutely no
> discernible muscle grain in the bottled dried chipped beef.
>
> -sw


Umm, who says the Navy was serving that Armor brand? They were not.

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On 8/8/2015 2:11 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 15:32:42 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:35:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dried beef is pretty expensive for what it is, very low-quality
>>>> ground beef
>>>
>>> Actually it's not ground, it's a good cut of beef that's cured,
>>> dried, and shaved.

>>
>> If that's a good cut of beef then so is MY ASS!
>>
>> Anybody who has ever eaten or even LOOKED looked at the classic
>> Whoremel/Armour dried beef in the last 30 years knows it's made from
>> ground up ("chipped" they like to call it), extruded beef.
>>
>> You are truly out of touch with reality if you think it's made from
>> solid muscle. Or even glued muscles. There is absolutely no
>> discernible muscle grain in the bottled dried chipped beef.
>>
>> -sw

>
> Umm, who says the Navy was serving that Armor brand? They were not.
>
>


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On 8/9/2015 6:11 AM, cshenk wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.
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On 8/9/2015 6:11 AM, cshenk wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents,
during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such
the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper
security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due
to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA.
To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made
sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the
directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on
many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their
neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable
example. The official finding was suicide.

He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed
(doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major
national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the
time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later.

He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular
among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols
and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II);
authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders,
as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against
him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into
the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a
practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed
as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional
budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse.
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On 8/8/2015 10:47 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Who cares except for you two?


**** off, woman-stalker:

>> Omelet wrote:

>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...

>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.


For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw

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> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:11:20 -0500, cshenk wrote:
>
> > Sqwertz wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 15:32:42 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:35:39 -0500, Sqwertz

> > >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Dried beef is pretty expensive for what it is, very low-quality
> >>> > ground beef
> >>>
> >>> Actually it's not ground, it's a good cut of beef that's cured,
> >>> dried, and shaved.
> >>
> >> If that's a good cut of beef then so is MY ASS!
> >>
> >> Anybody who has ever eaten or even LOOKED looked at the classic
> >> Whoremel/Armour dried beef in the last 30 years knows it's made

> from >> ground up ("chipped" they like to call it), extruded beef.
> >>
> >> You are truly out of touch with reality if you think it's made from
> >> solid muscle. Or even glued muscles. There is absolutely no
> >> discernible muscle grain in the bottled dried chipped beef.

> >
> > Umm, who says the Navy was serving that Armor brand? They were not.

>
> Who cares except for you two? I'm talking about what they're selling
> NOW - and for the last 25+ years.
>
> Are you supporting Sheldon's claim that the military was paying 2015
> retail prices and getting bresaola 55 years ago? They must have been
> getting it from Walmart along with all their cat food.
>
> -sw


The conversation was at one point on what Navy ships used and they
didnt use the armor stuff. And no, Sheldon always exagurates his Navy
times into some sort of mystical extra realm only he lived in if he
gets really lyrical about it.

Carol

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On 8/9/2015 5:10 PM, cshenk wrote:
> The conversation was at one point on what Navy ships used and they
> didnt use the armor stuff. And no, Sheldon always exagurates his Navy
> times into some sort of mystical extra realm only he lived in if he
> gets really lyrical about it.
>
> Carol
>

He swore there were no Marines on Naval ships in WWII.

Jill


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> On 8/9/2015 5:10 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > The conversation was at one point on what Navy ships used and they
> > didnt use the armor stuff. And no, Sheldon always exagurates his
> > Navy times into some sort of mystical extra realm only he lived in
> > if he gets really lyrical about it.
> >
> > Carol
> >

> He swore there were no Marines on Naval ships in WWII.
>
> Jill


Really? I missed that gem! It is true most types don't have them
regular but the Amphimbs have them as pretty much our regular portion
of the folks onboard. LHD43, 700 marines, 300 Navy crew.

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