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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/8/2015 3:03 AM, TRS wrote:
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/8/2015 1:10 AM, TRS wrote:
> On 8/7/2015 2:24 PM, sf wrote: > In addition to the hips and thighs, your butt seems to be a gargantuan > problem area. To reduce the size of your enormous buttocks, you must > reduce your body fat. Solely performing exercises that target the glutes > is not going to reduce fat because eliminating fat from one area of the > body isn't possible. To lose weight and slim down your butt, > MayoClinic.com recommends creating a daily gradual limb reduction > program through amputation and drug abuse so that you lose weight > gradually at a rate of 1 to 2 kilotons per week. Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has "worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead," says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another, at times with unsavory characters. |
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Uranium: real or bogus?
On 8/7/2015 2:26 PM, Bruce wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has "worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead," says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another, at times with unsavory characters. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/7/2015 2:26 PM, Bruce wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has "worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead," says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another, at times with unsavory characters. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/8/2015 6:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death. This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor of Veterans Today. In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3) ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took office. |
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Umami: real like bigfoot?
On 8/8/2015 6:47 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/7/2015 4:22 PM, notbob wrote: >> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >> >>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >> >> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >> >>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >> >> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but >> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >> I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death. This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor of Veterans Today. In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3) ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took office. |
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Uma Thurman: real or bogus?
On 8/8/2015 5:33 AM, dsi1 wrote:
George HW Bush is a known evil pedophile, who ran a Congressional Blackmail Child Sex Ring during the 1980s known as “Operation Brownstone and Operation Brownstar”, and later to become known as “The Finders or The Franklin Coverup”. U.S. Vice President George HW Bush would sneak children over to Senator Barney Frank’s condo, known as a “Brownstone” to their famous cocktail parties, where U.S. Congressman and U.S. Senators — some willing and some unwilling participants — got a taste of the “Voodoo Drug” in their drink. To prove a case, you need one that was involved in an operation or a witness or documents; in this case, U.S. Customs documents prove the case without getting anyone still living killed. Inside the (scribd) document below is an article that appeared in US News and World report December 27 1993, entitled “Through a Glass Very Darkly”. This includes cops, spies and a very old investigation — also copies of the U.S. Customs Reports where the names are not blacked out. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote:
> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: > >> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: > >> > >>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. > >> > >> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be > >> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. > >> > >>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. > >> > >> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, > >> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the > >> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my > >> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but > >> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. > >> > >> nb > >> > > > > When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be > > putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks > > have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese > > call soy sauce "shoyu." > > > The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/8/2015 12:04 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Sounds pretty lame, > doesn't it. > > -sw **** off. Drop dead. GET OUT! |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/8/2015 2:29 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: >>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >>>> >>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >>>> >>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >>>> >>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >>>> >>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but >>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >>>> >>>> nb >>>> >>> >>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be >>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks >>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese >>> call soy sauce "shoyu." >> >> >> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. > > I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. > Yeah, that resonates for sure. And it works on most anything, so versatile is the byword. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> Back story first: > > I wuz exploring koko's blog and slipped into White On Rice, one of > koko's linked blog sites. What was the first recipe to catch my eye? > Umami Burgers. ???? > > Now, I'm jones'ing an ancient craving, hamburgers and cheeseburgers. > Couldn't find a burger worth a damn in my locale, so started making my > own. I've changed my recipe jes a tad, but I still got it! Made one > last night and it was sublime. But, I'm not above improving upon my > own recipe to further my occasional addiction. WOR sez Viet fish > sauce is the answer to the "ultimate" umami burger. > > <http://whiteonricecouple.com/recipes/best-umami-hamburger-recipe/> > > While I love fish sauce (Thai or Viet) and always have plenty on hand, > never thought of it as a marinade for my burger meat. I'll definetly > give it a shot. My burger jones is alive and well. > > Still.... > > What is umami? Is it a real deal or jes some Asians trying to foist > their cooking methods/terms off as some sorta scientific fact? If > tomatoes and other MSG heavy foods are particularly savory, is that a > whole new element for one's palate to discern? Why is sweet, sour, > bitter, and salty not enough? In short, is "umami" a real distinction > or jes another trendy term being ferociously flogged through the > food-o-sphere?  > > nb It's a blend and isnt actually asian though the word is. It's related to amino acids naturally in foods in part of it. Carol -- |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/8/2015 6:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/9/2015 2:27 AM, Janet wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/9/2015 3:12 AM, Japhy Ryder wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/9/2015 3:06 AM, TRS wrote:
Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD! Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127. Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record ID: 47846596. Your ass has more mass than Jupiter! No one cares about you. Get OUT! _,..._ /__ \ >< `. \ /_ \ | \-_ /:| ,--'..'. : ,' `. _,' \ _.._,--'' , | , ,',, _| _,.'| | | \\||/,'(,' '--'' | | | _ ||| | /-' | | | (- -)<`._ | / / | | \_\O/_/`-.(<< |____/ / | | / \ / -'| `--.'| | | \___/ / / | | H H / | | |_|_..-H-H--.._ / ,| | |-.._"_"__..-| | _-/ | | | | | | \_ | Barbara Llorente | | | | | | The | |____| | | |Troll Enabler | _..' | |____| jrei | |_(____..._' _.' | `-..______..-'"" (___..--' |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/9/2015 3:28 AM, cshenk wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 1:29:44 AM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: > > On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > > On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: > > >> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: > > >> > > >>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. > > >> > > >> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be > > >> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. > > >> > > >>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. > > >> > > >> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, > > >> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the > > >> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my > > >> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but > > >> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. > > >> > > >> nb > > >> > > > > > > When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be > > > putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks > > > have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese > > > call soy sauce "shoyu." > > > > > > The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. > > I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. Sounds like just another "Ponzu scheme" to me. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 2:29 AM, dsi1 wrote: > > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: > >> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: > >>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: > >>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. > >>>> > >>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be > >>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. > >>>> > >>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. > >>>> > >>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, > >>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the > >>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my > >>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but > >>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. > >>>> > >>>> nb > >>>> > >>> > >>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be > >>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks > >>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese > >>> call soy sauce "shoyu." > >> > >> > >> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. > > > > I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. > > > Yeah, that resonates for sure. > > And it works on most anything, so versatile is the byword. That it is! |
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On 8/8/2015 12:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >> On 8/8/2015 2:29 AM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >>>>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >>>>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >>>>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but >>>>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> nb >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be >>>>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks >>>>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese >>>>> call soy sauce "shoyu." >>>> >>>> >>>> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. >>> >>> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. >>> >> Yeah, that resonates for sure. >> >> And it works on most anything, so versatile is the byword. > > That it is! > The other one I love to have on the side is dumpling sauce. I'll sometimes use it to add some bounce to a velvet sauce dish, like Moo Goo Gai Pan. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: > > > cuisine. Only a Japanese could have discovered "umami." > > Hate to burst yer bubble, but only the Japanese could have named > "umami". > > Americans have been eating and using "umami" for over half a century. > We jes never applied a term to it. I know cuz I've been eating pizza > and spaghetti heavily dosed w/ Parmesan cheese for even longer. Plus, > in the 50s, Ac'cent brand MSG was huge in America. The very first > recipe box I ever remember seeing was an old Ac'cent box. It was only > since the great Chinese restaurant scare (totally disproved) that > Americans have backed away from MSG. That still didn't impair their > love for pizza/spaghetti, which is allegedly loaded with "umami" > (tomatoes, parm). > > I'm gonna try an experiment. Dashi, the ubiquitous Japanese soup > broth, is considered to be THE food that distinguishes and isolates(?) > "umami". I've made it once before, so will make it again and see what > I discover. > > I will make REAL dashi using kombu seaweed and dried bonito flakes. I > long ago changed to instant dashi, but for the sake of science I will > make it from scratch, despite bonito flakes being expensive as Hell > out here in the boonies. Stay tuned. > > nb It's not hard. You save the flakes in the fridge and add more seawwed for 'second use dashi' and you can get a weaker version called 'third use' as well. Carol -- |
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notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: > > > You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. > > Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be > unnecessary and was asking for opinions. > > > I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. > > I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, > despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the > term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my > entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but > never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. > > nb Smile, actually you see me use it in posted recipes all the time and the term. It's just japanese for soy sauce. More commonly heard in Japan (of course) and Hawaii because they are about 30% Japanese extract. What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called Aloha. Oddly sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a thicker Datu Puti. Carol -- |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/8/2015 12:54 PM, cshenk wrote:
> notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking: > >> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >> >>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >> >> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >> >>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >> >> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but >> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >> >> nb > > Smile, actually you see me use it in posted recipes all the time and > the term. It's just japanese for soy sauce. More commonly heard in > Japan (of course) and Hawaii because they are about 30% Japanese > extract. > > What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called Aloha. Oddly > sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a thicker Datu Puti. > > Carol > Pearl brand rocks. |
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On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 8:09:53 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 1:29:44 AM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote: > > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: > > > On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > > > On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: > > > >> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. > > > >> > > > >> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be > > > >> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. > > > >> > > > >>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. > > > >> > > > >> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, > > > >> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the > > > >> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my > > > >> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but > > > >> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. > > > >> > > > >> nb > > > >> > > > > > > > > When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be > > > > putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks > > > > have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese > > > > call soy sauce "shoyu." > > > > > > > > > The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. > > > > I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. > > Sounds like just another "Ponzu scheme" to me. If only Ponzi schemes could be as delicious! |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 8:31:41 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 12:27 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: > >> On 8/8/2015 2:29 AM, dsi1 wrote: > >>> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: > >>>> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: > >>>>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: > >>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be > >>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, > >>>>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the > >>>>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my > >>>>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but > >>>>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> nb > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be > >>>>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks > >>>>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese > >>>>> call soy sauce "shoyu." > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. > >>> > >>> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. > >>> > >> Yeah, that resonates for sure. > >> > >> And it works on most anything, so versatile is the byword. > > > > That it is! > > > > The other one I love to have on the side is dumpling sauce. We have a sauce that's used for goyza and mondu. Basically it's watered down shoyu and vinegar. It's great but mostly it's homemade ponzu. > > I'll sometimes use it to add some bounce to a velvet sauce dish, like > Moo Goo Gai Pan. I like that word, "bounce."  Here's an article on shoyu in Hawaii.http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...l11ataste.html |
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:27:11 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote: >On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >> On 8/8/2015 2:29 AM, dsi1 wrote: >> > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >> >> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> >>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: >> >>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >> >>>> >> >>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >> >>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >> >>>> >> >>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >> >>>> >> >>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >> >>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >> >>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >> >>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but >> >>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >> >>>> >> >>>> nb >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be >> >>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks >> >>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese >> >>> call soy sauce "shoyu." >> >> >> >> >> >> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. >> > >> > I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. >> > >> Yeah, that resonates for sure. >> >> And it works on most anything, so versatile is the byword. > >That it is! I use Accent (msg) with most dishes instead of salt, a pinch of Accent enhances flavor better than a heaping tsp of salt. This morning I sliced the major meat from a roast pork loin bone and am making stock, sliced pork made a couple nice sandwiches for lunch; 4 qt pot, meaty roast pork bone, two big carrots, 2 large celery ribs, 1 medium onion, 3 big garlic cloves, freshly ground white/black pepper, a little dried dill n'parsley, a thumb size piece of ginger. Haven't decided yet on what to do with the stock but it tastes very good... it's still simmering, that tiny cluster of bubbles is as heated as it gets. Later I'll eat all those veggies and all the meat I pick off the bones: http://i59.tinypic.com/34dh5c3.jpg |
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On 8/8/2015 12:58 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 8:09:53 AM UTC-10, wrote: >> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 1:29:44 AM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >>>>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >>>>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >>>>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but >>>>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> nb >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be >>>>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks >>>>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese >>>>> call soy sauce "shoyu." >>>> >>>> >>>> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. >>> >>> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. >> >> Sounds like just another "Ponzu scheme" to me. > > If only Ponzi schemes could be as delicious! > I guess it all depends on how well you made off... |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/8/2015 1:09 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 8:31:41 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >> On 8/8/2015 12:27 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>> On 8/8/2015 2:29 AM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>>>> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >>>>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >>>>>>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >>>>>>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >>>>>>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but >>>>>>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> nb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be >>>>>>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks >>>>>>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese >>>>>>> call soy sauce "shoyu." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. >>>>> >>>>> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. >>>>> >>>> Yeah, that resonates for sure. >>>> >>>> And it works on most anything, so versatile is the byword. >>> >>> That it is! >>> >> >> The other one I love to have on the side is dumpling sauce. > > We have a sauce that's used for goyza and mondu. Basically it's watered down shoyu and vinegar. It's great but mostly it's homemade ponzu. I'm in on all counts! >> I'll sometimes use it to add some bounce to a velvet sauce dish, like >> Moo Goo Gai Pan. > > I like that word, "bounce." Here's an article on shoyu in Hawaii.> > http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...l11ataste.html > My one quibble is with tamari - it just doesn't grab my pallet. But I am good with dousing food. That works most times. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/9/2015 5:24 AM, Japhy Ryder wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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On 8/9/2015 4:58 AM, dsi1 wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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On 8/9/2015 5:15 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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On 8/9/2015 5:09 AM, dsi1 wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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On 8/8/2015 8:54 AM, cshenk wrote:
> notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking: > >> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >> >>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >> >> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >> >>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >> >> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but >> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >> >> nb > > Smile, actually you see me use it in posted recipes all the time and > the term. It's just japanese for soy sauce. More commonly heard in > Japan (of course) and Hawaii because they are about 30% Japanese > extract. > > What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called Aloha. Oddly > sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a thicker Datu Puti. > > Carol > Aloha probably tastes weird to people not raised on the stuff. Oddly enough, it's Hawaii's favorite shoyu. As an added bonus, it's fairly cheap! It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And the rest is history. |
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On 8/9/2015 7:23 AM, dsi1 wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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On 8/8/2015 9:15 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:27:11 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 > > wrote: > >> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>> On 8/8/2015 2:29 AM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>>> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: >>>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >>>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >>>>>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >>>>>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >>>>>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but >>>>>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> nb >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be >>>>>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks >>>>>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese >>>>>> call soy sauce "shoyu." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. >>>> >>>> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. >>>> >>> Yeah, that resonates for sure. >>> >>> And it works on most anything, so versatile is the byword. >> >> That it is! > > I use Accent (msg) with most dishes instead of salt, a pinch of Accent > enhances flavor better than a heaping tsp of salt. This morning I > sliced the major meat from a roast pork loin bone and am making stock, > sliced pork made a couple nice sandwiches for lunch; 4 qt pot, meaty > roast pork bone, two big carrots, 2 large celery ribs, 1 medium onion, > 3 big garlic cloves, freshly ground white/black pepper, a little dried > dill n'parsley, a thumb size piece of ginger. Haven't decided yet on > what to do with the stock but it tastes very good... it's still > simmering, that tiny cluster of bubbles is as heated as it gets. Later > I'll eat all those veggies and all the meat I pick off the bones: > http://i59.tinypic.com/34dh5c3.jpg > I have a 3 lb bag of the Ajinomoto. You might think I'm kidding - I'm not. |
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On 8/8/2015 9:21 AM, Japhy Ryder wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 12:58 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 8:09:53 AM UTC-10, >> wrote: >>> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 1:29:44 AM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote: >>>> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>>> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: >>>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >>>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >>>>>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >>>>>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >>>>>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but >>>>>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> nb >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be >>>>>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks >>>>>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the >>>>>> Japanese >>>>>> call soy sauce "shoyu." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. >>>> >>>> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be >>>> too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. >>> >>> Sounds like just another "Ponzu scheme" to me. >> >> If only Ponzi schemes could be as delicious! >> > > I guess it all depends on how well you made off... Hee hee. My guess is that every town has their own smooth-talking, high-living, Ponzi master that, sooner or later, gets caught, serves time in prison, and then moves to LA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Rewald |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/8/2015 9:24 AM, Japhy Ryder wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 1:09 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 8:31:41 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>> On 8/8/2015 12:27 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>>> On 8/8/2015 2:29 AM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>>>>> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >>>>>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >>>>>>>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >>>>>>>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >>>>>>>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it >>>>>>>>> wrong), but >>>>>>>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> nb >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered >>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young >>>>>>>> folks >>>>>>>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the >>>>>>>> Japanese >>>>>>>> call soy sauce "shoyu." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be >>>>>> too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. >>>>>> >>>>> Yeah, that resonates for sure. >>>>> >>>>> And it works on most anything, so versatile is the byword. >>>> >>>> That it is! >>>> >>> >>> The other one I love to have on the side is dumpling sauce. >> >> We have a sauce that's used for goyza and mondu. Basically it's >> watered down shoyu and vinegar. It's great but mostly it's homemade >> ponzu. > > I'm in on all counts! > > >>> I'll sometimes use it to add some bounce to a velvet sauce dish, like >>> Moo Goo Gai Pan. >> >> I like that word, "bounce." Here's an article on shoyu in Hawaii.>> >> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...l11ataste.html >> > My one quibble is with tamari - it just doesn't grab my pallet. > > But I am good with dousing food. That works most times. I'm afraid to try tamari. I think of it as a health food. That's nasty stuff in my book. |
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