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Umami: real or bogus?
On 2015-08-08, dsi1 > wrote:
> It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war > because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And the > rest is history.  I researched "hydrolized". No thanks. I'm currently using San-J Organic Tamari. No wheat and GMO-free. I put it in a Kikkoman soy dispenser bottle for convenience. I also ran across this very informative webpage: <http://www.care2.com/greenliving/tamari-shoyutamari-shoyu-soy-sauce.html> Looks like I'll be buying some Eden Organic Shoyu. <http://www.amazon.com/Eden-Foods-Organic-Imported-Shoyu/dp/B0019JKTOI> nb |
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On 8/8/2015 3:43 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 9:24 AM, Japhy Ryder wrote: >> On 8/8/2015 1:09 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 8:31:41 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>> On 8/8/2015 12:27 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>>>> On 8/8/2015 2:29 AM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >>>>>>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >>>>>>>>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >>>>>>>>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it >>>>>>>>>> wrong), but >>>>>>>>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs >>>>>>>>>> ago. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> nb >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered >>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young >>>>>>>>> folks >>>>>>>>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the >>>>>>>>> Japanese >>>>>>>>> call soy sauce "shoyu." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be >>>>>>> too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, that resonates for sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> And it works on most anything, so versatile is the byword. >>>>> >>>>> That it is! >>>>> >>>> >>>> The other one I love to have on the side is dumpling sauce. >>> >>> We have a sauce that's used for goyza and mondu. Basically it's >>> watered down shoyu and vinegar. It's great but mostly it's homemade >>> ponzu. >> >> I'm in on all counts! >> >> >>>> I'll sometimes use it to add some bounce to a velvet sauce dish, like >>>> Moo Goo Gai Pan. >>> >>> I like that word, "bounce."  Here's an article on shoyu in Hawaii.>>> >>> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...l11ataste.html >>> >> My one quibble is with tamari - it just doesn't grab my pallet. >> >> But I am good with dousing food. That works most times. > > I'm afraid to try tamari. I think of it as a health food. That's nasty > stuff in my book. This is the same nagging suspicion I have too. If I can't find it made by Asians it is not of interest to me. |
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On 8/8/2015 12:21 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-08-08, dsi1 > wrote: > >> It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war >> because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And the >> rest is history. > > I researched "hydrolized". No thanks. > > I'm currently using San-J Organic Tamari. No wheat and GMO-free. I put it in a > Kikkoman soy dispenser bottle for convenience. > > I also ran across this very informative webpage: > > <http://www.care2.com/greenliving/tamari-shoyutamari-shoyu-soy-sauce.html> > > Looks like I'll be buying some Eden Organic Shoyu. > > <http://www.amazon.com/Eden-Foods-Organic-Imported-Shoyu/dp/B0019JKTOI> > > > nb > Desperate times call for desperate measures. |
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On 8/8/2015 4:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 12:21 PM, notbob wrote: >> On 2015-08-08, dsi1 > wrote: >> >>> It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war >>> because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And the >>> rest is history. >> >> I researched "hydrolized". No thanks. >> >> I'm currently using San-J Organic Tamari. No wheat and GMO-free. I >> put it in a >> Kikkoman soy dispenser bottle for convenience. >> >> I also ran across this very informative webpage: >> >> <http://www.care2.com/greenliving/tamari-shoyutamari-shoyu-soy-sauce.html> >> >> >> Looks like I'll be buying some Eden Organic Shoyu. >> >> <http://www.amazon.com/Eden-Foods-Organic-Imported-Shoyu/dp/B0019JKTOI> >> >> >> nb >> > > Desperate times call for desperate measures. This may well lead to organic beef jerky in due time... |
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On 2015-08-08, dsi1 > wrote:
> Desperate times call for desperate measures. Considering how many foods now contain GMOs, I'm pretty desparate. nb |
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On 8/8/2015 3:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 9:21 AM, Japhy Ryder wrote: >> On 8/8/2015 12:58 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 8:09:53 AM UTC-10, >>> wrote: >>>> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 1:29:44 AM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>>>> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >>>>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >>>>>>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the >>>>>>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my >>>>>>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> nb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered >>>>>>> to be >>>>>>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young >>>>>>> folks >>>>>>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the >>>>>>> Japanese >>>>>>> call soy sauce "shoyu." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. >>>>> >>>>> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be >>>>> too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. >>>> >>>> Sounds like just another "Ponzu scheme" to me. >>> >>> If only Ponzi schemes could be as delicious! >>> >> >> I guess it all depends on how well you made off... > > Hee hee. My guess is that every town has their own smooth-talking, > high-living, Ponzi master that, sooner or later, gets caught, serves > time in prison, and then moves to LA. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Rewald "As of 2010, Rewald lives in Los Angeles and works as director of operations for the APA talent agency in Beverly Hills." There is a certain terrible symmetry to the arc of this man's life. |
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On 8/9/2015 8:30 AM, dsi1 wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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On 8/9/2015 8:35 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-08-08, dsi1 > wrote: > >> Desperate times call for desperate measures. > > Considering how many foods now contain GMOs, I'm pretty desparate. > It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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On 8/9/2015 8:33 AM, Japhy Ryder wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 4:30 PM, dsi1 wrote: Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD! Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127. Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record ID: 47846596. Your ass has more mass than Jupiter! No one cares about you. Get OUT! _,..._ /__ \ >< `. \ /_ \ | \-_ /:| ,--'..'. : ,' `. _,' \ _.._,--'' , | , ,',, _| _,.'| | | \\||/,'(,' '--'' | | | _ ||| | /-' | | | (- -)<`._ | / / | | \_\O/_/`-.(<< |____/ / | | / \ / -'| `--.'| | | \___/ / / | | H H / | | |_|_..-H-H--.._ / ,| | |-.._"_"__..-| | _-/ | | | | | | \_ | Barbara Llorente | | | | | | The | |____| | | |Troll Enabler | _..' | |____| jrei | |_(____..._' _.' | `-..______..-'"" (___..--' |
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On 8/9/2015 8:21 AM, notbob wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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On 8/9/2015 7:43 AM, dsi1 wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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On 8/9/2015 7:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 9:15 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: >> On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:27:11 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 > >> wrote: >> It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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On 8/9/2015 7:41 AM, dsi1 wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 6:21:10 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
> > Looks like I'll be buying some Eden Organic Shoyu. > > <http://www.amazon.com/Eden-Foods-Organic-Imported-Shoyu/dp/B0019JKTOI> Check out the politics of Eden's proprietors before you make your final decision. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 8/9/2015 10:36 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death. This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor of Veterans Today. In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3) ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took office. |
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On 8/9/2015 6:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 6:21:10 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote: >> >> Looks like I'll be buying some Eden Organic Shoyu. >> >> <http://www.amazon.com/Eden-Foods-Organic-Imported-Shoyu/dp/B0019JKTOI> > > Check out the politics of Eden's proprietors before you make your > final decision. > > Cindy Hamilton https://www.au.org/our-work/legal/la...-inc-v-burwell Eden Foods is a for-profit natural-food corporation. In March 2013, Eden Foods and its founder, president, and sole shareholder Michael Potter filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging the contraception regulations. The trial court ruled against the corporation and its owner, and they appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. In July 2013, we filed an amicus brief in support of the government. The Sixth Circuit upheld the trial court's ruling for the government. The Supreme Court then agreed to hear two cases brought by similar for-profit plaintiffs: Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood. In June 2014, the Court held, in a 5-4 decision, that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act required an exemption for objecting for-profit corporations. The Supreme Court then vacated the ruling against Eden Foods and sent the case back to the Sixth Circuit for reconsideration. On remand from the Sixth Circuit, the trial court entered an injunction exempting Eden Foods from complying with the contraception regulations. |
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dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On 8/8/2015 8:54 AM, cshenk wrote: > > notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > >>On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: > > > > > > > You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. > > > > > > Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be > > > unnecessary and was asking for opinions. > > > > > > > I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. > > > > > > I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, > > > despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the > > > term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my > > > entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), > > > but never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs > > > ago. > > > > > > nb > > > > Smile, actually you see me use it in posted recipes all the time and > > the term. It's just japanese for soy sauce. More commonly heard in > > Japan (of course) and Hawaii because they are about 30% Japanese > > extract. > > > > What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called Aloha. > > Oddly sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a thicker Datu > > Puti. > > > > Carol > > > > Aloha probably tastes weird to people not raised on the stuff. Oddly > enough, it's Hawaii's favorite shoyu. As an added bonus, it's fairly > cheap! > > It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war > because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And the > rest is history. Yup! It tastes sweet and sort of insipidly pallid compared to a true brew and sorry if that doesnt match what you'd hoped to hear. I'm not being mean, its just a developed taste to like it. Conversely you might not like a fuller sort. For those who have not tried Aloha Shoyu (hard to find outside Hawaii), it is a lighter colored, thinner 'soy sauce' with a sweet undertone. It's not terrible but if you were raised to a deeper colored thicker version, you might find it just doesnt work. Conversely recipes from Genuine Hawaiian cookery tend to use it (unless stated other brand) so be careful to reduce the soy you may be using if a more full flavored sort. Theirs has the advantage that it will not overwhelm if you actually dip a whole piece of meat in it then grill. One recipe from Hawaii that worked well for us and was Aloha shoyu specific. Roasted corn brushed all over with aloha. Rather nice! Carol -- |
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On 8/10/2015 3:56 AM, cshenk wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 7:56:29 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > On 8/8/2015 8:54 AM, cshenk wrote: > > > notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > > > >>On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. > > > > > > > > Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be > > > > unnecessary and was asking for opinions. > > > > > > > > > I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. > > > > > > > > I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, > > > > despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the > > > > term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my > > > > entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), > > > > but never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs > > > > ago. > > > > > > > > nb > > > > > > Smile, actually you see me use it in posted recipes all the time and > > > the term. It's just japanese for soy sauce. More commonly heard in > > > Japan (of course) and Hawaii because they are about 30% Japanese > > > extract. > > > > > > What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called Aloha. > > > Oddly sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a thicker Datu > > > Puti. > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > Aloha probably tastes weird to people not raised on the stuff. Oddly > > enough, it's Hawaii's favorite shoyu. As an added bonus, it's fairly > > cheap! > > > > It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war > > because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And the > > rest is history. > > Yup! It tastes sweet and sort of insipidly pallid compared to a true > brew and sorry if that doesnt match what you'd hoped to hear. I'm not > being mean, its just a developed taste to like it. Conversely you > might not like a fuller sort. I expect nothing less than your honest opinion. My point is that we like it and I'm fully aware that it tastes kind of weird. I don't recommend that anybody use Aloha Shoyu unless they were raised on the stuff. If they used Aloha on the table in restaurants on the mainland, people would probably be put off but I'd be as happy as a clam. Possibly they might use Aloha in L&L restaurants on the mainland. People over here also like real shoyu too - Yamasa and of course, Kikkoman. I also like Pearl River Dark soy sauce although it's hard to find. I have to look in Chinese markets and if I'm lucky, there will be a dusty shelf in the back with a forgotten bottle. I use that only for cooking, there's no way I'd have that on the table. > > For those who have not tried Aloha Shoyu (hard to find outside Hawaii), > it is a lighter colored, thinner 'soy sauce' with a sweet undertone. > It's not terrible but if you were raised to a deeper colored thicker > version, you might find it just doesnt work. > > Conversely recipes from Genuine Hawaiian cookery tend to use it (unless > stated other brand) so be careful to reduce the soy you may be using if > a more full flavored sort. Theirs has the advantage that it will not > overwhelm if you actually dip a whole piece of meat in it then grill. > > One recipe from Hawaii that worked well for us and was Aloha shoyu > specific. Roasted corn brushed all over with aloha. Rather nice! > > Carol > > -- |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/10/2015 10:56 AM, dsi1 wrote:
It has even been confirmed that George Bush (GHWB) denied presidents, during and after his tenure in office, access to sensitive data, such the the U.S. UFO files due to the fact they did not possess the proper security clearances. President Carter wanted to access those files due to his own experience of seeing a UFO but was denied access by the CIA. To this day, GHWB exercises undue influence within the CIA as he made sure he had loyal operatives at all levels, starting at the directorship. Then again he made sure he had damaging information on many key individuals, all else failing he “ordered their neutralization,” former CIA Director William Colby, being a notable example. The official finding was suicide. He is known, by many government insiders, to be an openingly unabashed (doesn’t hide it among friends) pedophile, specifically referring to the Franklin Community Credit Union scandal in the 1980s which was a major national scandal that was covered-up by White House officials during the time GHWB was vice president to Reagan and later. He is also a practicing satanist by many accounts (now very popular among the elite with their hand signs and T.V shows with satanic symbols and themes – Beyonce, one among many); a coward (during World War II); authorized the assassinations of democratically elected foreign leaders, as well as American citizens – most notably Ross Perot who ran against him as president – and used the CIA as a front for drug smuggling into the United States using military transport aircraft and ships, a practice that started with the Iran/Contra Scandal and later blossomed as a major source of black operations funding outside the congressional budget appropriations process where Congress controls the purse. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:56:25 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote: > On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 7:56:29 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote: > > dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > > > On 8/8/2015 8:54 AM, cshenk wrote: > > > > > > > > What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called Aloha. > > > > Oddly sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a thicker Datu > > > > Puti. > > > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > > > Aloha probably tastes weird to people not raised on the stuff. Oddly > > > enough, it's Hawaii's favorite shoyu. As an added bonus, it's fairly > > > cheap! > > > > > > It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war > > > because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And the > > > rest is history. > > > > Yup! It tastes sweet and sort of insipidly pallid compared to a true > > brew and sorry if that doesnt match what you'd hoped to hear. I'm not > > being mean, its just a developed taste to like it. Conversely you > > might not like a fuller sort. > > I expect nothing less than your honest opinion. My point is that we like it and I'm fully aware that it tastes kind of weird. I don't recommend that anybody use Aloha Shoyu unless they were raised on the stuff. If they used Aloha on the table in restaurants on the mainland, people would probably be put off but I'd be as happy as a clam. Possibly they might use Aloha in L&L restaurants on the mainland. > > People over here also like real shoyu too - Yamasa and of course, Kikkoman. I also like Pearl River Dark soy sauce although it's hard to find. I have to look in Chinese markets and if I'm lucky, there will be a dusty shelf in the back with a forgotten bottle. I use that only for cooking, there's no way I'd have that on the table. One thing I've found over the years that I absolutely do NOT like is Tamari. My current love is kecap manis, which is a sweet soy sauce. I substitute it every time I see both soy sauce and sugar called for in a recipe and it's right on the money. I don't want to spend a lot of time trying to figure out where I bought this when I run out. I'll go where I think I bought it and if they don't have it, I'll give Datu Puti a try. It would be a better match for Filipino style adobo anyway. I already have their cane vinegar, so hopefully I won't need to buy the set, which is the way my main grocery store sells them. I am guessing that the sweetness of the Aloha is a nod to the myriad of Filipino workers who flocked to Hawaii back in the days when they needed field workers to harvest sugar cane and pineapples. -- sf |
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On 8/10/2015 12:44 PM, sf wrote:
dear fat ass good morning fat ass how will your day go? will you be stared at like an enourmous blob? or be taunted and teased all day long? people say you can't do anything you cant do this or that but you will sure show them when your fat ass is in control it is all your fault fat ass you live to eat and dont eat to live well look at that fat ass a greasy cheese burger streaming down your lips and chin you are a worthless excuse for a human no one wants to see fat lock yourself inside your room until your thin and flat you would rather some one say **** her anorexic ass than **** you you fat fat ass words hurt as much as the weight they will be with you forever that extra baggage you can change show them you can do something No one wants to see a fat girl cry tears of grease and blubber you will no longer be the funny fat girl you will be just as cool as any other slide your finger down your throat when you dream of grease and junk the calories will fade away down the toilet with one flush dont eat today you will prove them right that is something you just can't do show them they dont have control over everything your weight is something you do Loose it all fat ass I want to see coller bones and down right thin dont cry when you become dizzy just know that it will help you in the end You can feel good about yourself fat ass you just have to learn control your punishment is a life full of pain and tears of grease and fried stuff thin is the way you have always wanted to be well you have a long journey to get there but change your life you **** of blubber run run fat ass let that fat ass shake no one wants to see that shit better run in your back yard instead skinny be thin fat ass be fat when weighing out your options which do you like better than fat? its not lie fat ass you have let yourself go its time to buckle down and crack those calories away when it is all said and done you will be worthy you will feel alive again see thin is the way to be and you are just a fat ass with no control again. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/8/2015 12:35 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-08-08, dsi1 > wrote: > >> Desperate times call for desperate measures. > > Considering how many foods now contain GMOs, I'm pretty desparate. > > nb > This is why I never look at the ingredients on the can. |
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On 8/8/2015 12:29 PM, Japhy Ryder wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 3:43 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On 8/8/2015 9:24 AM, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>> On 8/8/2015 1:09 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 8:31:41 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>>> On 8/8/2015 12:27 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>>>>> On 8/8/2015 2:29 AM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans, >>>>>>>>>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but >>>>>>>>>>> yerself, my >>>>>>>>>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it >>>>>>>>>>> wrong), but >>>>>>>>>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs >>>>>>>>>>> ago. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> nb >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered >>>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young >>>>>>>>>> folks >>>>>>>>>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the >>>>>>>>>> Japanese >>>>>>>>>> call soy sauce "shoyu." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be >>>>>>>> too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, that resonates for sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And it works on most anything, so versatile is the byword. >>>>>> >>>>>> That it is! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The other one I love to have on the side is dumpling sauce. >>>> >>>> We have a sauce that's used for goyza and mondu. Basically it's >>>> watered down shoyu and vinegar. It's great but mostly it's homemade >>>> ponzu. >>> >>> I'm in on all counts! >>> >>> >>>>> I'll sometimes use it to add some bounce to a velvet sauce dish, like >>>>> Moo Goo Gai Pan. >>>> >>>> I like that word, "bounce." Here's an article on shoyu in Hawaii.>>>> >>>> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...l11ataste.html >>>> >>>> >>> My one quibble is with tamari - it just doesn't grab my pallet. >>> >>> But I am good with dousing food. That works most times. >> >> I'm afraid to try tamari. I think of it as a health food. That's nasty >> stuff in my book. > > > This is the same nagging suspicion I have too. > > If I can't find it made by Asians it is not of interest to me. I'm not real interested in healthy foods. I like cheap foodstuffs. If they're tasty, that's great! I had a papaya, waffle, an egg, and some corn beef hash this morning. Boy that was tasty! I'm still high from it, man! |
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On 8/9/2015 4:44 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:56:25 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 > > wrote: > >> On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 7:56:29 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote: >>> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking: >>> >>>> On 8/8/2015 8:54 AM, cshenk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called Aloha. >>>>> Oddly sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a thicker Datu >>>>> Puti. >>>>> >>>>> Carol >>>>> >>>> >>>> Aloha probably tastes weird to people not raised on the stuff. Oddly >>>> enough, it's Hawaii's favorite shoyu. As an added bonus, it's fairly >>>> cheap! >>>> >>>> It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war >>>> because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And the >>>> rest is history. >>> >>> Yup! It tastes sweet and sort of insipidly pallid compared to a true >>> brew and sorry if that doesnt match what you'd hoped to hear. I'm not >>> being mean, its just a developed taste to like it. Conversely you >>> might not like a fuller sort. >> >> I expect nothing less than your honest opinion. My point is that we like it and I'm fully aware that it tastes kind of weird. I don't recommend that anybody use Aloha Shoyu unless they were raised on the stuff. If they used Aloha on the table in restaurants on the mainland, people would probably be put off but I'd be as happy as a clam. Possibly they might use Aloha in L&L restaurants on the mainland. >> >> People over here also like real shoyu too - Yamasa and of course, Kikkoman. I also like Pearl River Dark soy sauce although it's hard to find. I have to look in Chinese markets and if I'm lucky, there will be a dusty shelf in the back with a forgotten bottle. I use that only for cooking, there's no way I'd have that on the table. > > One thing I've found over the years that I absolutely do NOT like is > Tamari. > > My current love is kecap manis, which is a sweet soy sauce. I > substitute it every time I see both soy sauce and sugar called for in > a recipe and it's right on the money. I don't want to spend a lot of > time trying to figure out where I bought this when I run out. I'll go > where I think I bought it and if they don't have it, I'll give Datu > Puti a try. It would be a better match for Filipino style adobo > anyway. I already have their cane vinegar, so hopefully I won't need > to buy the set, which is the way my main grocery store sells them. > > I am guessing that the sweetness of the Aloha is a nod to the myriad > of Filipino workers who flocked to Hawaii back in the days when they > needed field workers to harvest sugar cane and pineapples. > > > Beats me what they were thinking. They just needed to produce a batch of shoyu fast and couldn't wait 6 months or so. They probably thought it tasted weird too. OTOH, there was a lot of pent-up demand for the product - and the rest is Hawaii history. My grandma had a shoyu factory - that's what my dad says. I don't know anything about it but my guess is she did have to wait a long time to make a batch and it was probably pretty tasty. I suspect that it was a cottage industry in Hawaii at the time. |
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On 8/11/2015 5:29 AM, dsi1 wrote:
The true story never has been told that children from orphanages all across America during the 1980s came to Washington DC, paid by the US Taxpayers, to unknowingly participate in the Congressional Blackmail Child Sex Ring. Daddy Bush, Dick Cheney, John Sununu, according to sources, would be standing in line to greet the children and their caretakers as they came to the Vice President’s Home and or the White House for their specially invited tour at US Government expense. Bush, Cheney and Sununu would ask, “what’s your name”, and later just before dinner time, a call from the White House came into the hotel where the children were staying to the Caretakers inviting Little Billy, Mary, Johnny, Timmy, and Pam to the White House State dinner that evening. The caretakers thought it would be good for the children, since the White House could not accommodate the entire orphanage. Gunderson and Pender, who ran the operation, dispatched the limo at Bush’s request, and the female would take the children to the limo and immediately give them a Coke or Pepsi with the VOODOO DRUG in it, and they were off to U.S. Senator Barney Frank’s pad, known as a “Brownstone”. |
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On Monday, August 10, 2015 at 12:41:24 PM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote:
> On 8/9/2015 4:44 PM, sf wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:56:25 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 > > > wrote: > > > >> On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 7:56:29 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote: > >>> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking: > >>> > >>>> On 8/8/2015 8:54 AM, cshenk wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called Aloha. > >>>>> Oddly sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a thicker Datu > >>>>> Puti. > >>>>> > >>>>> Carol > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Aloha probably tastes weird to people not raised on the stuff. Oddly > >>>> enough, it's Hawaii's favorite shoyu. As an added bonus, it's fairly > >>>> cheap! > >>>> > >>>> It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war > >>>> because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And the > >>>> rest is history. > >>> > >>> Yup! It tastes sweet and sort of insipidly pallid compared to a true > >>> brew and sorry if that doesnt match what you'd hoped to hear. I'm not > >>> being mean, its just a developed taste to like it. Conversely you > >>> might not like a fuller sort. > >> > >> I expect nothing less than your honest opinion. My point is that we like it and I'm fully aware that it tastes kind of weird. I don't recommend that anybody use Aloha Shoyu unless they were raised on the stuff. If they used Aloha on the table in restaurants on the mainland, people would probably be put off but I'd be as happy as a clam. Possibly they might use Aloha in L&L restaurants on the mainland. > >> > >> People over here also like real shoyu too - Yamasa and of course, Kikkoman. I also like Pearl River Dark soy sauce although it's hard to find. I have to look in Chinese markets and if I'm lucky, there will be a dusty shelf in the back with a forgotten bottle. I use that only for cooking, there's no way I'd have that on the table. > > > > One thing I've found over the years that I absolutely do NOT like is > > Tamari. > > > > My current love is kecap manis, which is a sweet soy sauce. I > > substitute it every time I see both soy sauce and sugar called for in > > a recipe and it's right on the money. I don't want to spend a lot of > > time trying to figure out where I bought this when I run out. I'll go > > where I think I bought it and if they don't have it, I'll give Datu > > Puti a try. It would be a better match for Filipino style adobo > > anyway. I already have their cane vinegar, so hopefully I won't need > > to buy the set, which is the way my main grocery store sells them. > > > > I am guessing that the sweetness of the Aloha is a nod to the myriad > > of Filipino workers who flocked to Hawaii back in the days when they > > needed field workers to harvest sugar cane and pineapples. > > > > > > > > Beats me what they were thinking. They just needed to produce a batch of > shoyu fast and couldn't wait 6 months or so. They probably thought it > tasted weird too. OTOH, there was a lot of pent-up demand for the > product - and the rest is Hawaii history. > > My grandma had a shoyu factory - that's what my dad says. I don't know > anything about it but my guess is she did have to wait a long time to > make a batch and it was probably pretty tasty. I suspect that it was a > cottage industry in Hawaii at the time. Originally factory was short for "manufactory," and thus meant "made by hand." By the way, in the Vegemite thread I revealed that Vegemite and its big brother Marmite are both sources of umami. When yeast cells break down, they release glutamic acid. |
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dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 7:56:29 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote: > > dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > > > On 8/8/2015 8:54 AM, cshenk wrote: > > > > notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > > > > > >>On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not > > > > > > real. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be > > > > > unnecessary and was asking for opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. > > > > > > > > > > I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for > > > > > Americans, despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. > > > > > Kinda like the term "shoyu", which I've never heard from > > > > > anyone, but yerself, my entire life. I've heard of "umami" > > > > > (though I spelled it wrong), but never "shoyu", depite > > > > > enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. > > > > > > > > > > nb > > > > > > > > Smile, actually you see me use it in posted recipes all the > > > > time and the term. It's just japanese for soy sauce. More > > > > commonly heard in Japan (of course) and Hawaii because they are > > > > about 30% Japanese extract. > > > > > > > > What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called Aloha. > > > > Oddly sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a thicker Datu > > > > Puti. > > > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > > > Aloha probably tastes weird to people not raised on the stuff. > > > Oddly enough, it's Hawaii's favorite shoyu. As an added bonus, > > > it's fairly cheap! > > > > > > It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war > > > because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And > > > the rest is history. > > > > Yup! It tastes sweet and sort of insipidly pallid compared to a > > true brew and sorry if that doesnt match what you'd hoped to hear. > > I'm not being mean, its just a developed taste to like it. > > Conversely you might not like a fuller sort. > > I expect nothing less than your honest opinion. My point is that we > like it and I'm fully aware that it tastes kind of weird. I don't > recommend that anybody use Aloha Shoyu unless they were raised on the > stuff. If they used Aloha on the table in restaurants on the > mainland, people would probably be put off but I'd be as happy as a > clam. Possibly they might use Aloha in L&L restaurants on the > mainland. > > People over here also like real shoyu too - Yamasa and of course, > Kikkoman. I also like Pearl River Dark soy sauce although it's hard > to find. I have to look in Chinese markets and if I'm lucky, there > will be a dusty shelf in the back with a forgotten bottle. I use that > only for cooking, there's no way I'd have that on the table. > > > > > For those who have not tried Aloha Shoyu (hard to find outside > > Hawaii), it is a lighter colored, thinner 'soy sauce' with a sweet > > undertone. It's not terrible but if you were raised to a deeper > > colored thicker version, you might find it just doesnt work. > > > > Conversely recipes from Genuine Hawaiian cookery tend to use it > > (unless stated other brand) so be careful to reduce the soy you may > > be using if a more full flavored sort. Theirs has the advantage > > that it will not overwhelm if you actually dip a whole piece of > > meat in it then grill. > > > > One recipe from Hawaii that worked well for us and was Aloha shoyu > > specific. Roasted corn brushed all over with aloha. Rather nice! > > > > Carol > > > > -- Grin, I've sed Kikkoman in a pinch. I really like Datu Puti brand best of all. You may be able to find it there too. Pearl River dark isnt bad either but Datu Puti suits us to a T. Seriously, Aloha does a nifty job witht he corn on the cob though. Roasted, you peel it back, dip or mist it then pull the wrapper back about and roast it. Carol -- |
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sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:56:25 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 > > wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 7:56:29 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote: > > > dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > > > > > On 8/8/2015 8:54 AM, cshenk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called > > > > > Aloha. Oddly sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a > > > > > thicker Datu Puti. > > > > > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aloha probably tastes weird to people not raised on the stuff. > > > > Oddly enough, it's Hawaii's favorite shoyu. As an added bonus, > > > > it's fairly cheap! > > > > > > > > It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the > > > > war because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it > > > > yesterday. And the rest is history. > > > > > > Yup! It tastes sweet and sort of insipidly pallid compared to a > > > true brew and sorry if that doesnt match what you'd hoped to > > > hear. I'm not being mean, its just a developed taste to like it. > > > Conversely you might not like a fuller sort. > > > > I expect nothing less than your honest opinion. My point is that we > > like it and I'm fully aware that it tastes kind of weird. I don't > > recommend that anybody use Aloha Shoyu unless they were raised on > > the stuff. If they used Aloha on the table in restaurants on the > > mainland, people would probably be put off but I'd be as happy as a > > clam. Possibly they might use Aloha in L&L restaurants on the > > mainland. > > > > People over here also like real shoyu too - Yamasa and of course, > > Kikkoman. I also like Pearl River Dark soy sauce although it's hard > > to find. I have to look in Chinese markets and if I'm lucky, there > > will be a dusty shelf in the back with a forgotten bottle. I use > > that only for cooking, there's no way I'd have that on the table. > > One thing I've found over the years that I absolutely do NOT like is > Tamari. > > My current love is kecap manis, which is a sweet soy sauce. I > substitute it every time I see both soy sauce and sugar called for in > a recipe and it's right on the money. I don't want to spend a lot of > time trying to figure out where I bought this when I run out. I'll go > where I think I bought it and if they don't have it, I'll give Datu > Puti a try. It would be a better match for Filipino style adobo > anyway. I already have their cane vinegar, so hopefully I won't need > to buy the set, which is the way my main grocery store sells them. > > I am guessing that the sweetness of the Aloha is a nod to the myriad > of Filipino workers who flocked to Hawaii back in the days when they > needed field workers to harvest sugar cane and pineapples. Smile, not sure but I love the Datu Puti cane vinegar for pulled pork and quite a few other things! Then the one with the floating peppers and such (Suukim Maasim? something close to that, out just now) works really well with a lot of things. Carol -- |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On Monday, August 10, 2015 at 4:45:26 PM UTC-7, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 7:56:29 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote: > > > dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > > > > > On 8/8/2015 8:54 AM, cshenk wrote: > > > > > notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > > > > > > > >>On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not > > > > > > > real. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be > > > > > > unnecessary and was asking for opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for > > > > > > Americans, despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. > > > > > > Kinda like the term "shoyu", which I've never heard from > > > > > > anyone, but yerself, my entire life. I've heard of "umami" > > > > > > (though I spelled it wrong), but never "shoyu", depite > > > > > > enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > nb > > > > > > > > > > Smile, actually you see me use it in posted recipes all the > > > > > time and the term. It's just japanese for soy sauce. More > > > > > commonly heard in Japan (of course) and Hawaii because they are > > > > > about 30% Japanese extract. > > > > > > > > > > What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called Aloha. > > > > > Oddly sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a thicker Datu > > > > > Puti. > > > > > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aloha probably tastes weird to people not raised on the stuff. > > > > Oddly enough, it's Hawaii's favorite shoyu. As an added bonus, > > > > it's fairly cheap! > > > > > > > > It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war > > > > because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And > > > > the rest is history. > > > > > > Yup! It tastes sweet and sort of insipidly pallid compared to a > > > true brew and sorry if that doesnt match what you'd hoped to hear. > > > I'm not being mean, its just a developed taste to like it. > > > Conversely you might not like a fuller sort. > > > > I expect nothing less than your honest opinion. My point is that we > > like it and I'm fully aware that it tastes kind of weird. I don't > > recommend that anybody use Aloha Shoyu unless they were raised on the > > stuff. If they used Aloha on the table in restaurants on the > > mainland, people would probably be put off but I'd be as happy as a > > clam. Possibly they might use Aloha in L&L restaurants on the > > mainland. > > > > People over here also like real shoyu too - Yamasa and of course, > > Kikkoman. I also like Pearl River Dark soy sauce although it's hard > > to find. I have to look in Chinese markets and if I'm lucky, there > > will be a dusty shelf in the back with a forgotten bottle. I use that > > only for cooking, there's no way I'd have that on the table. > > > > > > > > For those who have not tried Aloha Shoyu (hard to find outside > > > Hawaii), it is a lighter colored, thinner 'soy sauce' with a sweet > > > undertone. It's not terrible but if you were raised to a deeper > > > colored thicker version, you might find it just doesnt work. > > > > > > Conversely recipes from Genuine Hawaiian cookery tend to use it > > > (unless stated other brand) so be careful to reduce the soy you may > > > be using if a more full flavored sort. Theirs has the advantage > > > that it will not overwhelm if you actually dip a whole piece of > > > meat in it then grill. > > > > > > One recipe from Hawaii that worked well for us and was Aloha shoyu > > > specific. Roasted corn brushed all over with aloha. Rather nice! > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > -- > > Grin, I've sed Kikkoman in a pinch. I really like Datu Puti brand best > of all. You may be able to find it there too. Pearl River dark isnt > bad either but Datu Puti suits us to a T. > This is good information, because I have only ever seen the Datu Puti vinegar. I never knew they made a soy sauce, but now I will track it down and buy some. Is it in the Filipino section of your grocery store? |
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Umami: real or bogus?
I always had the i pression that umami was an idea or a pleasant impression,
or a feeling, not an actual physical product. I don't know where that idea came from. N. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:52:03 -0700 (PDT),
wrote: > This is good information, because I have only ever seen the Datu Puti > vinegar. I never knew they made a soy sauce, but now I will track it down > and buy some. > > Is it in the Filipino section of your grocery store? There is a generic Asian section in most grocery stores and that's where it's found in mine, bundled with their vinegar - it looks like this http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...uL._SY679_.jpg -- sf |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/10/2015 1:45 PM, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking: > >> On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 7:56:29 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote: >>> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking: >>> >>>> On 8/8/2015 8:54 AM, cshenk wrote: >>>>> notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not >>>>>>> real. >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be >>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for >>>>>> Americans, despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. >>>>>> Kinda like the term "shoyu", which I've never heard from >>>>>> anyone, but yerself, my entire life. I've heard of "umami" >>>>>> (though I spelled it wrong), but never "shoyu", depite >>>>>> enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> nb >>>>> >>>>> Smile, actually you see me use it in posted recipes all the >>>>> time and the term. It's just japanese for soy sauce. More >>>>> commonly heard in Japan (of course) and Hawaii because they are >>>>> about 30% Japanese extract. >>>>> >>>>> What i did not like in Hawaii was the local shoyu called Aloha. >>>>> Oddly sweet with less flavor. Preferred brand is a thicker Datu >>>>> Puti. >>>>> >>>>> Carol >>>>> >>>> >>>> Aloha probably tastes weird to people not raised on the stuff. >>>> Oddly enough, it's Hawaii's favorite shoyu. As an added bonus, >>>> it's fairly cheap! >>>> >>>> It was Aloha that invented hydrolyzed shoyu product after the war >>>> because we needed a lot of shoyu and we wanted it yesterday. And >>>> the rest is history. >>> >>> Yup! It tastes sweet and sort of insipidly pallid compared to a >>> true brew and sorry if that doesnt match what you'd hoped to hear. >>> I'm not being mean, its just a developed taste to like it. >>> Conversely you might not like a fuller sort. >> >> I expect nothing less than your honest opinion. My point is that we >> like it and I'm fully aware that it tastes kind of weird. I don't >> recommend that anybody use Aloha Shoyu unless they were raised on the >> stuff. If they used Aloha on the table in restaurants on the >> mainland, people would probably be put off but I'd be as happy as a >> clam. Possibly they might use Aloha in L&L restaurants on the >> mainland. >> >> People over here also like real shoyu too - Yamasa and of course, >> Kikkoman. I also like Pearl River Dark soy sauce although it's hard >> to find. I have to look in Chinese markets and if I'm lucky, there >> will be a dusty shelf in the back with a forgotten bottle. I use that >> only for cooking, there's no way I'd have that on the table. >> >>> >>> For those who have not tried Aloha Shoyu (hard to find outside >>> Hawaii), it is a lighter colored, thinner 'soy sauce' with a sweet >>> undertone. It's not terrible but if you were raised to a deeper >>> colored thicker version, you might find it just doesnt work. >>> >>> Conversely recipes from Genuine Hawaiian cookery tend to use it >>> (unless stated other brand) so be careful to reduce the soy you may >>> be using if a more full flavored sort. Theirs has the advantage >>> that it will not overwhelm if you actually dip a whole piece of >>> meat in it then grill. >>> >>> One recipe from Hawaii that worked well for us and was Aloha shoyu >>> specific. Roasted corn brushed all over with aloha. Rather nice! >>> >>> Carol >>> >>> -- > > Grin, I've sed Kikkoman in a pinch. I really like Datu Puti brand best > of all. You may be able to find it there too. Pearl River dark isnt > bad either but Datu Puti suits us to a T. > > Seriously, Aloha does a nifty job witht he corn on the cob though. > Roasted, you peel it back, dip or mist it then pull the wrapper back > about and roast it. > > Carol > Boy that sounds kinda goofy - shoyu and corn. I guess I'll have to try it since you planted that seed in my brain pan. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:06:50 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote: > I always had the i pression that umami was an idea or a pleasant impression, > or a feeling, not an actual physical product. I don't know where that idea came > from. > > N. > I always had the i pression that umami was an idea or a pleasant impression, > or a feeling, not an actual physical product. Correct. > I don't know where that idea came from. > You know how people are these days. They want a shortcut to reproducing it rather than learn to combine ingredients deftly until they create umami. -- sf |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/10/2015 2:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:38:15 -1000, dsi1 > > wrote: > >> The reason the manufacturers add dead yeast cells or hydrolyzed proteins >> to snack foods is that they don't have the balls to add MSG because a >> good percentage of consumers are afraid of the stuff. This is not to say >> that MSG comes in balls but that manufacturers are afraid to print MSG >> on the label. They'd much rather proclaim "NO MSG!" in big letters on >> the front. > > Doesn't that cost lots of money? > It's safe to say that's just the cost of doing business. |
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Umami: real or bogus?
On 8/10/2015 8:47 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:06:50 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 > > wrote: > >> I always had the i pression that umami was an idea or a pleasant impression, >> or a feeling, not an actual physical product. I don't know where that idea came >> from. >> >> N. >> I always had the i pression that umami was an idea or a pleasant impression, >> or a feeling, not an actual physical product. > > Correct. > >> I don't know where that idea came from. >> > You know how people are these days. They want a shortcut to > reproducing it rather than learn to combine ingredients deftly until > they create umami. > Caught an episode of 'Friends' yesterday in which the character Ross claimed it was "unagi". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md-zDIxNht4 Jill |
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sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:52:03 -0700 (PDT), > wrote: > > > This is good information, because I have only ever seen the Datu > > Puti vinegar. I never knew they made a soy sauce, but now I will > > track it down and buy some. > > > > Is it in the Filipino section of your grocery store? > > There is a generic Asian section in most grocery stores and that's > where it's found in mine, bundled with their vinegar - it looks like > this http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...uL._SY679_.jpg Yup! Thats it! -- |
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