I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.

How does it happen? One to three assholes consistently ride the pony
with bile and anger and angst and an endless series of faux vendettas,
all of it fashioned to look like something they care about, when in
fact it is primarily a proxy way to engage the world for folks that
apparently have no social contact otherwise. They can fight, they can
vent, they can stalk, but otherwise they've got almost nothing to offer.

Every post on topic eventually becomes bickering and insults. Each
such conclusion begins to happen more rapidly; at first there are still
8 posts on topic, before the flood gate opens, then it's only two.
Hapless people, who ostensibly care about the newsgroup, but only know
how to respond in kind, participate in suffocating the group. I use to
say "when somebody slaps, I slap back". I ditched that approach about
8 years ago seeing that all groups then become slap-groups and no
substantive discussion has a chance to breath.

I saw that happen to a fabulous group on afro-cuban music;
rec.music.afro-cuban. It became a bulletin board for the same
anti-semetic rants, mostly cut-and-paste from websites. After a couple
of years his lone voice eventually stopped. Everybody else vanished to
some laundered and rigid "bulletin board" with a different
time-consuming UI than all the other different and time-consuming UI's
out there. The job is about complete at rec.arts.movies.past-films,
and seemingly rec.food.cooking is hanging on by its fingernails as 1
(or is it 3) people have no other life than a daily name change and
cut-and-paste roadblocks. And then of course all their incensed prey,
nobly, dutifully slapping back; blocking all blood to vital organs.
There's another 8 or 10 of these I've seen die in the past 15 years.

As long as y'all insist on endlessly giving hand-jobs to the 1 (or is
it 8) trolls whose only objective here is to kill discourse, the result
will be the same.

Usenet is just a snapshot: This is happening on a much bigger level as
politics becomes an opportunity for dismemberment alone. I use to have
substantive debates with Republicans over policy. Now "substance" is
primarily the ludicrous Fox daily lies, Limbaughs empty agitprop,
whether the president is a Kenyan or a Mooslim. And I hold up my end
with outrage. Instead of policy on climate change and illegal
immigration, we're bickering about what Donald Trump or Sarah Palin
said. Instead of politics--or even political propaganda--we're
bickering about celebrities and racist one-liners. And I've been a
participant in changing the subject from something to nothing! The
Republicans would rather have us bickering about bullshit than arguing
about policy; when they control the discourse there will be no
discourse.

What's revolting is not that there are jackasses whose only goal in
life is disruption and destruction, what's nauseates most is the degree
to which well-meaning and interested people are so easily manipulated
into facilitating it. Every. Single. Time.

On 8/10/2015 1:08 PM, gtr wrote:
> Usenet is just a snapshot: This is happening on a much bigger level as
> politics becomes an opportunity for dismemberment alone. I use to have
> substantive debates with Republicans over policy. Now "substance" is
> primarily the ludicrous Fox daily lies, Limbaughs empty agitprop,
> whether the president is a Kenyan or a Mooslim. And I hold up my end
> with outrage. Instead of policy on climate change and illegal
> immigration, we're bickering about what Donald Trump or Sarah Palin
> said. Instead of politics--or even political propaganda--we're
> bickering about celebrities and racist one-liners. And I've been a
> participant in changing the subject from something to nothing! The
> Republicans would rather have us bickering about bullshit than arguing
> about policy; when they control the discourse there will be no discourse.


Oh yes of course it's all to be blamed on "the Republicans", because we
all know human nature is a one way street, yes?

You're a raving hypocrite and only a partisan polemicist like yourself
would seek to turn a food group into politics talk.

They're largely incompatible, thankfully.

But that won't stop trolls like YOU from salting the fields and burning
your perceived opposition down.

What a self-serving ladle of bullshit you slopped out here.

Take your false indignation and carry it, and your political animus,
back to where they belong - in a POLITICAL group, you asshole!

On 2015-08-10 19:24:30 +0000, said:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
>>
>> What's revolting is not that there are jackasses whose only goal in
>> life is disruption and destruction, what nauseates most is the degree
>> to which well-meaning and interested people are so easily manipulated
>> into facilitating it. Every. Single. Time.
>
> Waaay back when usenet was new the only time we suffered this troll
> behaviour was when smarty pant kids got out of school for the summer.

Yeah, long ago, when we didn't have access to everything, part of that
everything was an investation of jackals. I was doing forums in the
mid-80's before Al Gore's act of congress created the internet. And
the fact that his legislative initiative is still seen as some kind of
"lie", is an evidentiary unit in my argument that the battle for
malevolence is winning.

> However, did you realise you were cross posting?? Cos you were, I've
> taken it out and just left rfc.

That's fine. It's another newsgroup I frequent that's also killing
itself. I should probably have posted it twice but I was lazy.

On 8/10/2015 1:24 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
>>
>> What's revolting is not that there are jackasses whose only goal in
>> life is disruption and destruction, what's nauseates most is the degree
>> to which well-meaning and interested people are so easily manipulated
>> into facilitating it. Every. Single. Time.
>
>
> Waaay back when usenet was new the only time we suffered this troll
> behaviour was when smarty pant kids got out of school for the summer.
>
> However, did you realise you were cross posting?? Cos you were, I've
> taken it out and just left rfc.

Hypocrites are like that, and he's one.

gtr wrote:
> On 2015-08-10 19:24:30 +0000, said:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What's revolting is not that there are jackasses whose only goal in
>>> life is disruption and destruction, what nauseates most is the degree
>>> to which well-meaning and interested people are so easily manipulated
>>> into facilitating it. Every. Single. Time.
>>
>> Waaay back when usenet was new the only time we suffered this troll
>> behaviour was when smarty pant kids got out of school for the summer.
>
> Yeah, long ago, when we didn't have access to everything, part of that
> everything was an investation of jackals. I was doing forums in the
> mid-80's before Al Gore's act of congress created the internet. And
> the fact that his legislative initiative is still seen as some kind of
> "lie", is an evidentiary unit in my argument that the battle for
> malevolence is winning.

I blame Newt Gingrich

On 8/10/2015 2:36 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700, gtr wrote:
>
>> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
>> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
>
> The best way to handle the assholes is to ignore them *completely*.
> Don't even acknowledge their existence with posts like these.
>
> -sw
>


Says the chief Groupkilla troll...

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:36:39 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700, gtr wrote:
>
>> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
>> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
>
> The best way to handle the assholes is to ignore them *completely*.
> Don't even acknowledge their existence with posts like these.
>
> -sw

A killfile works just fine.

"gtr" > wrote in message news:2015081012083972120-xxx@yyyzzz...
> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
>
> How does it happen? One to three assholes consistently ride the pony with
> bile and anger and angst and an endless series of faux vendettas, all of
> it fashioned to look like something they care about, when in fact it is
> primarily a proxy way to engage the world for folks that apparently have
> no social contact otherwise. They can fight, they can vent, they can
> stalk, but otherwise they've got almost nothing to offer.
>
> Every post on topic eventually becomes bickering and insults. Each such
> conclusion begins to happen more rapidly; at first there are still 8 posts
> on topic, before the flood gate opens, then it's only two. Hapless
> people, who ostensibly care about the newsgroup, but only know how to
> respond in kind, participate in suffocating the group. I use to say "when
> somebody slaps, I slap back". I ditched that approach about 8 years ago
> seeing that all groups then become slap-groups and no substantive
> discussion has a chance to breath.
>
> I saw that happen to a fabulous group on afro-cuban music;
> rec.music.afro-cuban. It became a bulletin board for the same
> anti-semetic rants, mostly cut-and-paste from websites. After a couple of
> years his lone voice eventually stopped. Everybody else vanished to some
> laundered and rigid "bulletin board" with a different time-consuming UI
> than all the other different and time-consuming UI's out there. The job
> is about complete at rec.arts.movies.past-films, and seemingly
> rec.food.cooking is hanging on by its fingernails as 1 (or is it 3) people
> have no other life than a daily name change and cut-and-paste roadblocks.
> And then of course all their incensed prey, nobly, dutifully slapping
> back; blocking all blood to vital organs. There's another 8 or 10 of
> these I've seen die in the past 15 years.
>
> As long as y'all insist on endlessly giving hand-jobs to the 1 (or is it
> 8) trolls whose only objective here is to kill discourse, the result will
> be the same.
>
> Usenet is just a snapshot: This is happening on a much bigger level as
> politics becomes an opportunity for dismemberment alone. I use to have
> substantive debates with Republicans over policy. Now "substance" is
> primarily the ludicrous Fox daily lies, Limbaughs empty agitprop, whether
> the president is a Kenyan or a Mooslim. And I hold up my end with
> outrage. Instead of policy on climate change and illegal immigration,
> we're bickering about what Donald Trump or Sarah Palin said. Instead of
> politics--or even political propaganda--we're bickering about celebrities
> and racist one-liners. And I've been a participant in changing the
> subject from something to nothing! The Republicans would rather have us
> bickering about bullshit than arguing about policy; when they control the
> discourse there will be no discourse.
>
> What's revolting is not that there are jackasses whose only goal in life
> is disruption and destruction, what's nauseates most is the degree to
> which well-meaning and interested people are so easily manipulated into
> facilitating it. Every. Single. Time.

Very well said. I have to say though it is hard not to kick back when there
is an attack. I get sick at the constant battering on chosen 'hated ones'
too. It is relentless. The bullies take huge delight in harassment. I
guess they feel it gives them the power they are lacking in real life. They
are pathetic. Even more so when they justify it to themselves.

I was a 'hated one' for years so I know well what it is like. It followed
me here for a long time until one day I decided enough was enough and I
kicked back. So, yes, after many years, I learned to be nasty in
defence. The constant bullying eventually killed the UK food group, so what
long term hope for this one? Many lovely people who were here when I
arrived, got fed up and went off to facebook which is exactly what happened
in the UK food group and it died.

There are some very good people here, but sometimes I think they just get
overwhelmed. There is little kindness, only intolerance and impatience
to be the first to stick the knife in. I guess it makes them feel good

You are right about the socks. It is relentless. People just
get fed up which is why they respond ... kicking back, but which only
perpetuates it. Until they realise that, it will not end.

What can be done about it? I don't know.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"gtr" > wrote in message news:2015081012083972120-xxx@yyyzzz...
> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
>
> How does it happen? One to three assholes consistently ride the pony with
> bile and anger and angst and an endless series of faux vendettas, all of
> it fashioned to look like something they care about, when in fact it is
> primarily a proxy way to engage the world for folks that apparently have
> no social contact otherwise. They can fight, they can vent, they can
> stalk, but otherwise they've got almost nothing to offer.
>
> Every post on topic eventually becomes bickering and insults. Each such
> conclusion begins to happen more rapidly; at first there are still 8 posts
> on topic, before the flood gate opens, then it's only two. Hapless
> people, who ostensibly care about the newsgroup, but only know how to
> respond in kind, participate in suffocating the group. I use to say "when
> somebody slaps, I slap back". I ditched that approach about 8 years ago
> seeing that all groups then become slap-groups and no substantive
> discussion has a chance to breath.
>
> I saw that happen to a fabulous group on afro-cuban music;
> rec.music.afro-cuban. It became a bulletin board for the same
> anti-semetic rants, mostly cut-and-paste from websites. After a couple of
> years his lone voice eventually stopped. Everybody else vanished to some
> laundered and rigid "bulletin board" with a different time-consuming UI
> than all the other different and time-consuming UI's out there. The job
> is about complete at rec.arts.movies.past-films, and seemingly
> rec.food.cooking is hanging on by its fingernails as 1 (or is it 3) people
> have no other life than a daily name change and cut-and-paste roadblocks.
> And then of course all their incensed prey, nobly, dutifully slapping
> back; blocking all blood to vital organs. There's another 8 or 10 of
> these I've seen die in the past 15 years.
>
> As long as y'all insist on endlessly giving hand-jobs to the 1 (or is it
> 8) trolls whose only objective here is to kill discourse, the result will
> be the same.
>
> Usenet is just a snapshot: This is happening on a much bigger level as
> politics becomes an opportunity for dismemberment alone. I use to have
> substantive debates with Republicans over policy. Now "substance" is
> primarily the ludicrous Fox daily lies, Limbaughs empty agitprop, whether
> the president is a Kenyan or a Mooslim. And I hold up my end with
> outrage. Instead of policy on climate change and illegal immigration,
> we're bickering about what Donald Trump or Sarah Palin said. Instead of
> politics--or even political propaganda--we're bickering about celebrities
> and racist one-liners. And I've been a participant in changing the
> subject from something to nothing! The Republicans would rather have us
> bickering about bullshit than arguing about policy; when they control the
> discourse there will be no discourse.
>
> What's revolting is not that there are jackasses whose only goal in life
> is disruption and destruction, what's nauseates most is the degree to
> which well-meaning and interested people are so easily manipulated into
> facilitating it. Every. Single. Time.

Very well said. I have to say though it is hard not to kick back when there
is an attack. I get sick at the constant battering on chosen 'hated ones'
too. It is relentless. The bullies take huge delight in harassment. I
guess they feel it gives them the power they are lacking in real life. They
are pathetic. Even more so when they justify it to themselves.

I was a 'hated one' for years so I know well what it is like. It followed
me here for a long time until one day I decided enough was enough and I
kicked back. So, yes, after many years, I learned to be nasty in
defence. The constant bullying eventually killed the UK food group, so what
long term hope for this one? Many lovely people who were here when I
arrived, got fed up and went off to facebook which is exactly what happened
in the UK food group and it died.

There are some very good people here, but sometimes I think they just get
overwhelmed. There is little kindness, only intolerance and impatience
to be the first to stick the knife in. I guess it makes them feel good

You are right about the socks. It is relentless. People just
get fed up which is why they respond ... kicking back, but which only
perpetuates it. Until they realise that, it will not end.

What can be done about it? I don't know.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2015-08-10 20:52:48 +0000, said:

> I don't know about Al Gore but he had not blessed our first web, we
> had Chebucto which was a Dalhousie University web, not great but a
> beginning long before he was around.

Without a powerful senator, it's tough to get congressional concensus
for giving away military computers for civilian use.

On 8/11/2015 6:43 AM, Mitchell Brown wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:36:39 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700, gtr wrote:
>>
>>> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
>>> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
>>
>> The best way to handle the assholes is to ignore them *completely*.
>> Don't even acknowledge their existence with posts like these.
>>
>> -sw
>
> A killfile works just fine.

The true story never has been told that children from orphanages all
across America during the 1980s came to Washington DC, paid by the US
Taxpayers, to unknowingly participate in the Congressional Blackmail
Child Sex Ring. Daddy Bush, Dick Cheney, John Sununu, according to
sources, would be standing in line to greet the children and their
caretakers as they came to the Vice Presidents Home and or the White
House for their specially invited tour at US Government expense. Bush,
Cheney and Sununu would ask, €œwhats your name€�, and later just before
dinner time, a call from the White House came into the hotel where the
children were staying to the Caretakers inviting Little Billy, Mary,
Johnny, Timmy, and Pam to the White House State dinner that evening.

The caretakers thought it would be good for the children, since the
White House could not accommodate the entire orphanage. Gunderson and
Pender, who ran the operation, dispatched the limo at Bushs request,
and the female would take the children to the limo and immediately give
them a Coke or Pepsi with the VOODOO DRUG in it, and they were off to
U.S. Senator Barney Franks pad, known as a €œBrownstone€�.

On 2015-08-10 20:36:39 +0000, Sqwertz said:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700, gtr wrote:
>
>> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
>> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
>
> The best way to handle the assholes is to ignore them *completely*.
> Don't even acknowledge their existence with posts like these.

I almost agree: The only way to handle trolls is to not respond *to
them*. My periodic quest is to inform others that their responses are
the problem. There are assholes most everywhere. They are here because
they are engaged.

Additionally, it should be illegal to have any kind of newsreader that
doesn't have an easy and effective killfile.

On 8/11/2015 6:31 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
> gtr wrote:
>> On 2015-08-10 19:24:30 +0000, said:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's revolting is not that there are jackasses whose only goal in
>>>> life is disruption and destruction, what nauseates most is the degree
>>>> to which well-meaning and interested people are so easily manipulated
>>>> into facilitating it. Every. Single. Time.
>>>
>>> Waaay back when usenet was new the only time we suffered this troll
>>> behaviour was when smarty pant kids got out of school for the summer.
>>
>> Yeah, long ago, when we didn't have access to everything, part of that
>> everything was an investation of jackals. I was doing forums in the
>> mid-80's before Al Gore's act of congress created the internet. And
>> the fact that his legislative initiative is still seen as some kind of
>> "lie", is an evidentiary unit in my argument that the battle for
>> malevolence is winning.
>
> I blame Newt Gingrich
>
The true story never has been told that children from orphanages all
across America during the 1980s came to Washington DC, paid by the US
Taxpayers, to unknowingly participate in the Congressional Blackmail
Child Sex Ring. Daddy Bush, Dick Cheney, John Sununu, according to
sources, would be standing in line to greet the children and their
caretakers as they came to the Vice President’s Home and or the White
House for their specially invited tour at US Government expense. Bush,
Cheney and Sununu would ask, “what’s your name”, and later just before
dinner time, a call from the White House came into the hotel where the
children were staying to the Caretakers inviting Little Billy, Mary,
Johnny, Timmy, and Pam to the White House State dinner that evening.

The caretakers thought it would be good for the children, since the
White House could not accommodate the entire orphanage. Gunderson and
Pender, who ran the operation, dispatched the limo at Bush’s request,
and the female would take the children to the limo and immediately give
them a Coke or Pepsi with the VOODOO DRUG in it, and they were off to
U.S. Senator Barney Frank’s pad, known as a “Brownstone”.

On 8/11/2015 7:03 AM, gtr wrote:
> On 2015-08-10 20:52:48 +0000, said:
>
>> I don't know about Al Gore but he had not blessed our first web, we
>> had Chebucto which was a Dalhousie University web, not great but a
>> beginning long before he was around.
>
> Without a powerful senator, it's tough to get congressional concensus
> for giving away military computers for civilian use.
>
The true story never has been told that children from orphanages all
across America during the 1980s came to Washington DC, paid by the US
Taxpayers, to unknowingly participate in the Congressional Blackmail
Child Sex Ring. Daddy Bush, Dick Cheney, John Sununu, according to
sources, would be standing in line to greet the children and their
caretakers as they came to the Vice President’s Home and or the White
House for their specially invited tour at US Government expense. Bush,
Cheney and Sununu would ask, “what’s your name”, and later just before
dinner time, a call from the White House came into the hotel where the
children were staying to the Caretakers inviting Little Billy, Mary,
Johnny, Timmy, and Pam to the White House State dinner that evening.

The caretakers thought it would be good for the children, since the
White House could not accommodate the entire orphanage. Gunderson and
Pender, who ran the operation, dispatched the limo at Bush’s request,
and the female would take the children to the limo and immediately give
them a Coke or Pepsi with the VOODOO DRUG in it, and they were off to
U.S. Senator Barney Frank’s pad, known as a “Brownstone”.

On 8/11/2015 6:52 AM, wrote:
The true story never has been told that children from orphanages all
across America during the 1980s came to Washington DC, paid by the US
Taxpayers, to unknowingly participate in the Congressional Blackmail
Child Sex Ring. Daddy Bush, Dick Cheney, John Sununu, according to
sources, would be standing in line to greet the children and their
caretakers as they came to the Vice President’s Home and or the White
House for their specially invited tour at US Government expense. Bush,
Cheney and Sununu would ask, “what’s your name”, and later just before
dinner time, a call from the White House came into the hotel where the
children were staying to the Caretakers inviting Little Billy, Mary,
Johnny, Timmy, and Pam to the White House State dinner that evening.

The caretakers thought it would be good for the children, since the
White House could not accommodate the entire orphanage. Gunderson and
Pender, who ran the operation, dispatched the limo at Bush’s request,
and the female would take the children to the limo and immediately give
them a Coke or Pepsi with the VOODOO DRUG in it, and they were off to
U.S. Senator Barney Frank’s pad, known as a “Brownstone”.

On 8/11/2015 6:55 AM, wrote:
The true story never has been told that children from orphanages all
across America during the 1980s came to Washington DC, paid by the US
Taxpayers, to unknowingly participate in the Congressional Blackmail
Child Sex Ring. Daddy Bush, Dick Cheney, John Sununu, according to
sources, would be standing in line to greet the children and their
caretakers as they came to the Vice President’s Home and or the White
House for their specially invited tour at US Government expense. Bush,
Cheney and Sununu would ask, “what’s your name”, and later just before
dinner time, a call from the White House came into the hotel where the
children were staying to the Caretakers inviting Little Billy, Mary,
Johnny, Timmy, and Pam to the White House State dinner that evening.

The caretakers thought it would be good for the children, since the
White House could not accommodate the entire orphanage. Gunderson and
Pender, who ran the operation, dispatched the limo at Bush’s request,
and the female would take the children to the limo and immediately give
them a Coke or Pepsi with the VOODOO DRUG in it, and they were off to
U.S. Senator Barney Frank’s pad, known as a “Brownstone”.

On Monday, August 10, 2015 at 2:08:42 PM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
>
> How does it happen? One to three assholes consistently ride the pony
> with bile and anger and angst and an endless series of faux vendettas,
> all of it fashioned to look like something they care about, when in
> fact it is primarily a proxy way to engage the world for folks that
> apparently have no social contact otherwise. They can fight, they can
> vent, they can stalk, but otherwise they've got almost nothing to offer.
>
> Every post on topic eventually becomes bickering and insults. Each
> such conclusion begins to happen more rapidly; at first there are still
> 8 posts on topic, before the flood gate opens, then it's only two.
> Hapless people, who ostensibly care about the newsgroup, but only know
> how to respond in kind, participate in suffocating the group. I use to
> say "when somebody slaps, I slap back". I ditched that approach about
> 8 years ago seeing that all groups then become slap-groups and no
> substantive discussion has a chance to breath.
>
> I saw that happen to a fabulous group on afro-cuban music;
> rec.music.afro-cuban. It became a bulletin board for the same
> anti-semetic rants, mostly cut-and-paste from websites. After a couple
> of years his lone voice eventually stopped. Everybody else vanished to
> some laundered and rigid "bulletin board" with a different
> time-consuming UI than all the other different and time-consuming UI's
> out there. The job is about complete at rec.arts.movies.past-films,
> and seemingly rec.food.cooking is hanging on by its fingernails as 1
> (or is it 3) people have no other life than a daily name change and
> cut-and-paste roadblocks. And then of course all their incensed prey,
> nobly, dutifully slapping back; blocking all blood to vital organs.
> There's another 8 or 10 of these I've seen die in the past 15 years.
>
> As long as y'all insist on endlessly giving hand-jobs to the 1 (or is
> it 8) trolls whose only objective here is to kill discourse, the result
> will be the same.
>
> Usenet is just a snapshot: This is happening on a much bigger level as
> politics becomes an opportunity for dismemberment alone. I use to have
> substantive debates with Republicans over policy. Now "substance" is
> primarily the ludicrous Fox daily lies, Limbaughs empty agitprop,
> whether the president is a Kenyan or a Mooslim. And I hold up my end
> with outrage. Instead of policy on climate change and illegal
> immigration, we're bickering about what Donald Trump or Sarah Palin
> said. Instead of politics--or even political propaganda--we're
> bickering about celebrities and racist one-liners. And I've been a
> participant in changing the subject from something to nothing! The
> Republicans would rather have us bickering about bullshit than arguing
> about policy; when they control the discourse there will be no
> discourse.
>
> What's revolting is not that there are jackasses whose only goal in
> life is disruption and destruction, what's nauseates most is the degree
> to which well-meaning and interested people are so easily manipulated
> into facilitating it. Every. Single. Time.

Thank you for a nicely written post. It actually makes sense. Some days they are few and far between.

On 8/11/2015 6:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> The true story never has been told that children from orphanages all
> across America during the 1980s came to Washington DC, paid by the US
> Taxpayers, to unknowingly participate in the Congressional Blackmail
> Child Sex Ring. Daddy Bush, Dick Cheney, John Sununu, according to
> sources, would be standing in line to greet the children and their
> caretakers as they came to the Vice President’s Home and or the White
> House for their specially invited tour at US Government expense.
> Bush, Cheney and Sununu would ask, “what’s your name”, and later just
> before dinner time, a call from the White House came into the hotel
> where the children were staying to the Caretakers inviting Little
> Billy, Mary, Johnny, Timmy, and Pam to the White House State dinner
> that evening.

The caretakers thought it would be good for the children, since the
White House could not accommodate the entire orphanage. Gunderson and
Pender, who ran the operation, dispatched the limo at Bush’s request,
and the female would take the children to the limo and immediately give
them a Coke or Pepsi with the VOODOO DRUG in it, and they were off to
U.S. Senator Barney Frank’s pad, known as a “Brownstone”.

On 8/11/2015 6:47 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
The true story never has been told that children from orphanages all
across America during the 1980s came to Washington DC, paid by the US
Taxpayers, to unknowingly participate in the Congressional Blackmail
Child Sex Ring. Daddy Bush, Dick Cheney, John Sununu, according to
sources, would be standing in line to greet the children and their
caretakers as they came to the Vice President’s Home and or the White
House for their specially invited tour at US Government expense. Bush,
Cheney and Sununu would ask, “what’s your name”, and later just before
dinner time, a call from the White House came into the hotel where the
children were staying to the Caretakers inviting Little Billy, Mary,
Johnny, Timmy, and Pam to the White House State dinner that evening.

The caretakers thought it would be good for the children, since the
White House could not accommodate the entire orphanage. Gunderson and
Pender, who ran the operation, dispatched the limo at Bush’s request,
and the female would take the children to the limo and immediately give
them a Coke or Pepsi with the VOODOO DRUG in it, and they were off to
U.S. Senator Barney Frank’s pad, known as a “Brownstone”.

On 8/11/2015 7:01 AM, Bruce wrote:
The true story never has been told that children from orphanages all
across America during the 1980s came to Washington DC, paid by the US
Taxpayers, to unknowingly participate in the Congressional Blackmail
Child Sex Ring. Daddy Bush, Dick Cheney, John Sununu, according to
sources, would be standing in line to greet the children and their
caretakers as they came to the Vice President’s Home and or the White
House for their specially invited tour at US Government expense. Bush,
Cheney and Sununu would ask, “what’s your name”, and later just before
dinner time, a call from the White House came into the hotel where the
children were staying to the Caretakers inviting Little Billy, Mary,
Johnny, Timmy, and Pam to the White House State dinner that evening.

The caretakers thought it would be good for the children, since the
White House could not accommodate the entire orphanage. Gunderson and
Pender, who ran the operation, dispatched the limo at Bush’s request,
and the female would take the children to the limo and immediately give
them a Coke or Pepsi with the VOODOO DRUG in it, and they were off to
U.S. Senator Barney Frank’s pad, known as a “Brownstone”.

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 21:45:50 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>>
>>What can be done about it? I don't know.
>
> Maybe don't answer him, he is still cross posting.

I hadn't noticed it.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2015-08-10 20:45:50 +0000, Ophelia said:

> Very well said. I have to say though it is hard not to kick back when there
> is an attack. I get sick at the constant battering on chosen 'hated ones'
> too.

Suggesting anything to Julie Bove is a waste of time. She can't take
the suggestion; because. That becomes frustrating. The topic then
becomes her, just like a troll. The answer, as with a troll, is to
*not respond*, if it will lead to another bitch-fest. I'm not saying
Julie is an intentional troll, certainly. But she does hang out the
"bait".

> It is relentless. The bullies take huge delight in harassment. I
> guess they feel it gives them the power they are lacking in real life. They
> are pathetic. Even more so when they justify it to themselves.

Like I said, it sucks.

> I was a 'hated one' for years so I know well what it is like. It followed
> me here for a long time until one day I decided enough was enough and I
> kicked back. So, yes, after many years, I learned to be nasty in
> defence.

And thus begins the death cycle.

> The constant bullying eventually killed the UK food group, so what
> long term hope for this one?

As long as you engage them, none at all.

> Many lovely people who were here when I arrived, got fed up and went
> off to facebook which is exactly what happened in the UK food group and
> it died.

And as they vanish from these various groups, interested people like me
lose their interest in exchanging ideas here.

> There are some very good people here, but sometimes I think they just get
> overwhelmed. There is little kindness, only intolerance and impatience
> to be the first to stick the knife in. I guess it makes them feel good
>
> You are right about the socks. It is relentless. People just
> get fed up which is why they respond ... kicking back, but which only
> perpetuates it. Until they realise that, it will not end.
>
> What can be done about it? I don't know.

One thing only: Don't respond and discourage others from responding.
The end. Trolls don't dissappear, but they stop becoming *construct*
which replaces the discussion. It's like a fart at a dinner party, it
dissipates quickly enough; there's hardly a reason to fixate.

It's difficult to discourage others from responding because you
potentially walk the same road. Somebody trollsin vulgar and insulting
ways, and when another takes the bait and joins the argument THEY are
the one giving the flame-bait its life. So you tell the responder to
knock it off, but they are ****ed off and just see you as 1) defending
the troll or 2) joining in the troll's attack, 3) Being a "usenet cop"
or "civility police", so you then become their target. Then, if you
defend yourself with a kick to the groin you've made your self
indistiguishable.

On 2015-08-10 20:55:21 +0000, said:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 21:45:50 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>>
>> What can be done about it? I don't know.
>
> Maybe don't answer him, he is still cross posting.

Sorry, I didn't realize.

On 2015-08-10 21:01:49 +0000, Bruce said:

> I rarely used a killfile before, but I do for this spamming stalker
> friend of SF and his many names. I have to add a new name every so
> many days, but other than that it doesn't bother me much.

Precisely my approach. It's difficult not to rubber-neck some of the
spectacles, but you have to try.

On 8/10/2015 11:10 AM, gtr wrote:
> On 2015-08-10 20:36:39 +0000, Sqwertz said:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700, gtr wrote:
>>
>>> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
>>> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
>>
>> The best way to handle the assholes is to ignore them *completely*.
>> Don't even acknowledge their existence with posts like these.
>
> I almost agree: The only way to handle trolls is to not respond *to
> them*. My periodic quest is to inform others that their responses are
> the problem. There are assholes most everywhere. They are here because
> they are engaged.
>
> Additionally, it should be illegal to have any kind of newsreader that
> doesn't have an easy and effective killfile.
>

I have seen posts like this for a long while. "Don't respond to the
trolls" has never worked. My guess is that our only hope is Google
Groups because they can decide who posts and what get archived.

On 8/10/2015 3:08 PM, gtr wrote:
> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
>
<Cross posting snipped>

You're the one who started this tangent.

OB Food: Fried eggplant. Dipped in egg wash then dredged in flour
seasoned with salt & pepper.

Jill

On 8/10/2015 5:10 PM, gtr wrote:
> There are assholes most everywhere. They are here because
> they are engaged.

Precisely why you come here.
That and to pontificate how much better you are than the hoi polloi from
atop your imagined high horse.

On 8/10/2015 3:03 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2015-08-10 20:52:48 +0000, said:
>
>> I don't know about Al Gore but he had not blessed our first web, we
>> had Chebucto which was a Dalhousie University web, not great but a
>> beginning long before he was around.
>
> Without a powerful senator, it's tough to get congressional concensus
> for giving away military computers for civilian use.
>


Al Bore had less to do with the interwebs than a partisan hack like you
will ever know.

On 8/10/2015 3:10 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2015-08-10 20:36:39 +0000, Sqwertz said:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700, gtr wrote:
>>
>>> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
>>> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
>>
>> The best way to handle the assholes is to ignore them *completely*.
>> Don't even acknowledge their existence with posts like these.
>
> I almost agree: The only way to handle trolls is to not respond *to
> them*. My periodic quest is to inform others that their responses are
> the problem. There are assholes most everywhere. They are here because
> they are engaged.

And you are asshole enough to do so, asshole.

> Additionally, it should be illegal to have any kind of newsreader that
> doesn't have an easy and effective killfile.

Typical statist lib, everything has to be legislated.

On 8/10/2015 3:27 PM, gtr wrote:
> I'm not saying Julie is an intentional troll, certainly. But she does
> hang out the "bait".

Et tu, hypocrite?

On 8/10/2015 4:21 PM, William Ahernia wrote:
> On 8/10/2015 5:10 PM, gtr wrote:
>> There are assholes most everywhere. They are here because
>> they are engaged.
>
> Precisely why you come here.
> That and to pontificate how much better you are than the hoi polloi from
> atop your imagined high horse.
>
The little partisan ****wit already got his ass handed to him several
times, keep passing it around.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:27:26 -0700, gtr > wrote:

> And as they vanish from these various groups, interested people like me
> lose their interest in exchanging ideas here.

The real exchange of ideas stopped here years ago. Truth be told, the
best food related, informative, exchanges that have happened here in
the last few years have come from the troll who is hunting the trolls
that consider rfc their safe place and hide out here.

--

sf

On 2015-08-11 00:59:27 +0000, Sqwertz said:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 11:37:13 -1000, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> I have seen posts like this for a long while. "Don't respond to the
>> trolls" has never worked.

Well you could help us out, couldn't you?

>> My guess is that our only hope is Google Groups because they can decide
>> who posts and what get archived.
>
> Yet another moronic, "Google will be our Savior!" from the village
> idiot.

You can't even do killfiles via Google, can you?

On 2015-08-11 00:06:38 +0000, said:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:21:44 -0400, William Ahernia
> > wrote:
>
>> On 8/10/2015 5:10 PM, gtr wrote:
>>> There are assholes most everywhere. They are here because
>>> they are engaged.
>>
>> Precisely why you come here.
>> That and to pontificate how much better you are than the hoi polloi from
>> atop your imagined high horse.

Perfect example: The topic is discarded for personal attack.

> We got this because you were cross posting, basic usenet good manners,
> do not cross post.

Again, my apologies, Lucretia: The response was from precisely one of
the primary vermin that are currently destroying the
rec.arts.movies.past-films.

On 8/10/15 3:08 PM, gtr wrote:
> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
.....
> What's revolting is not that there are jackasses whose only goal in life
> is disruption and destruction, what's nauseates most is the degree to
> which well-meaning and interested people are so easily manipulated into
> facilitating it. Every. Single. Time.

Just use your killfile liberally, and it's not a problem.

-- Larry

On 2015-08-11 00:23:50 +0000, sf said:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:27:26 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
>> And as they vanish from these various groups, interested people like me
>> lose their interest in exchanging ideas here.
>
> The real exchange of ideas stopped here years ago.

Not so for me. I only began attending a few years ago and have gleaned
(digging through fields of muck), quite a few really good pointers in
direction and very good info on specific interests.

> Truth be told, the best food related, informative, exchanges that have
> happened here in
> the last few years have come from the troll who is hunting the trolls
> that consider rfc their safe place and hide out here.

I don't understand any of that.

On 2015-08-11 01:21:11 +0000, pltrgyst said:

> On 8/10/15 3:08 PM, gtr wrote:
>> I've noted over many years how, one by one, each usenet enclave of
>> enthusiasts on this or that topic eventually collapses.
> ....
>> What's revolting is not that there are jackasses whose only goal in life
>> is disruption and destruction, what's nauseates most is the degree to
>> which well-meaning and interested people are so easily manipulated into
>> facilitating it. Every. Single. Time.
>
> Just use your killfile liberally, and it's not a problem.

I've got scores of killfile elements, key words, users, all kinds of stuff.

So it *remains* a problem because as stated upstream: The experience is
cluttered with otherwise well-meaning people doing their civil duty by
"shaming", lecturing and generally givin the trolls their deparately
needed handjob. This subverts the topic, and even if I also killfile
the "shamer", the topic poops out because it's clogged with nothing but
refuse.

Man, once you cross-post a topic it's really a leg manacle...

On 8/10/2015 9:19 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2015-08-11 00:06:38 +0000, said:
>
> Again, my apologies, Lucretia: The response was from precisely one of
> the primary vermin that are currently destroying the
> rec.arts.movies.past-films.
>
Why bother to post cross-post about it here?

Jill

On 8/10/2015 6:59 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Yet another moronic,


Woman-stalker Wertz....

>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw