On 25/08/2015 07:42 pm, Mal Pais wrote:

>
> Ayup...

Not it's 'Ketchup', not 'Ayup'!

Saint George wrote:
> On 25/08/2015 07:42 pm, Mal Pais wrote:
>
>>
>> Ayup...
>
> Not it's 'Ketchup', not 'Ayup'!

Yessiree!

Boron Elgar wrote:

> Netanyahu may be nuts,

No, he clearly is NOT nuts, you Jew-hating shitbag!

How'd you like to live under the threat of Iranian nuclear annihilation
every year?

WTF is wrong with you anyway?!?!?!?

On 8/26/2015 5:46 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:

> Netanyahu may be nuts, but there is no sense in you being nuts, too.
>
Ayup...

On 8/26/2015 5:31 AM, Saint George wrote:
> On 25/08/2015 07:42 pm, Mal Pais wrote:
>
>>
>> Ayup...
>
> Not it's 'Ketchup', not 'Ayup'!

Ayup...

On 8/26/2015 7:49 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:16:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>> with you? If not, you need laws
> that say what beer is and what wine is and that you must label them as
> such.
>
Ayup...

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:16:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" wrote:
>> > Oh no! I seem to offended someone here again. What are the odds? :-o
>>
>> You need to grow a thicker skin)) Do you really care? You didn't set
>> out to be offensive.
>
>No I didn't set out to be offensive but sure enough, what's his name
>got offended. I was joking, not upset. Israel's definition of what
>is ketchup is so petty. That's why their taxes are so high just like
>every other country's taxes are too high. Politicians making rules as
>to the definition of ketchup. idiots in all countries.

Is that your real objection with all this? I suspect it's something
else, somehow.

Je�us wrote:
>> Politicians making rules as
>> >to the definition of ketchup. idiots in all countries.
> Is that your real objection with all this? I suspect it's something
> else, somehow.

I hope someone jams a nuclear warhead up yer rectum.

On 8/26/2015 8:30 AM, Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:16:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> on with all this? I suspect it's something
> else, somehow.
>
Ayup...

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 13:01:49 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-08-25 12:16 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>> No I didn't set out to be offensive but sure enough, what's his name
>> got offended. I was joking, not upset. Israel's definition of what
>> is ketchup is so petty. That's why their taxes are so high just like
>> every other country's taxes are too high. Politicians making rules as
>> to the definition of ketchup. idiots in all countries.
>
>I think that they are things that government should be doing, and
>setting food standards is one of them.

Exactly. In this case at least, there's no Israeli subterfuge going
on.

>That being said, I can't always
>agree with the standards they do establish because they are not always
>what most people would assume them to me.

Yes, and the FDA is at the forefront of that...

>For instance, in the UK,
>"The term “fresh” should not be used, directly or by implication, on
>juices prepared by dilution of concentrates. " Note the use of the word
>"should" rather than "must". "Pure" is no guarantee with juices. They
>can say it is pure if it is made from concentrate, and they can add
>sugar to sweeten it and they can add lemon juice or ascorbic acid to
>correct the taste.

Ahh, labelling laws... I don't think there's a country out there that
doesnt need to completely revise their labelling standards.

New Zealand allows 'made in NZ', even though the goods in question may
come from elsewhere. Australian laws allow for imported items to be
used in 'Australian made' products, for example.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:19:46 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-08-25 7:04 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Travis McGee wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/1.671800
>>>
>>> Heinz Isn't Ketchup in Israel, Health Ministry Rules
>>
>>> Osem petitioned against its competitor, arguing that the Heinz ketchup
>>> does not contain enough tomato paste to be considered ketchup under
>>> Israeli regulations.
>>
>> What a silly fight. Who cares about Israel anyway, except their
>> citizens? Arguing over what is defined as ketchup in Israel? Really?
>>
>>
>
>Did you read the article. Israel has laws regarding food standards and
>in order to be called ketchup it has to meet a certain percentage for
>tomato content. They are saying that there is not enough tomato in it.
>That might explain why Heinz is so lacking in tomato flavour these days.

Yep. There's nothing wrong with what they're trying to do.
Should be more of it.

On 8/25/2015 4:39 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> I can't always
>> >agree with the standards they do establish because they are not always
>> >what most people would assume them to me.
> Yes, and the FDA is at the forefront of that...
>

Oh sure, blame the USA yet again, you ****ing pantywaist sheep-shagger.

Drop dead.

On 8/25/2015 4:30 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> Politicians making rules as
>> >to the definition of ketchup. idiots in all countries.
> Is that your real objection with all this? I suspect it's something
> else, somehow.


What, you think he's a Jew-hater like YOU?

On 8/26/2015 8:39 AM, Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 13:01n though the goods in question may
> come from elsewhere. Australian laws allow for imported items to be
> used in 'Australian made' products, for example.
>
Ayup...

On 8/26/2015 8:40 AM, Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:19:46 -0400, Dave Smith
> <adavid.smith@symsaying that there is not enough tomato in it.
>> That might explain why Heinz is so lacking in tomato flavour these days.
>
> Yep. There's nothing wrong with what they're trying to do.
> Should be more of it.
>
Ayup...

On 8/26/2015 8:44 AM, Playa wrote:
Barbara J. Llorente - A FRAUD TROLL ENABLER!
Get the **** out of here, you FAT FRAUD biotch troll!




Get out - stalker!


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Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...

On 8/25/2015 5:47 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> My responses are on based on inaccuracies,
> misinformation, lies and foolishness.

Yes, they are rife with those.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:34:04 -0700, gtr > wrote:

>On 2015-08-25 19:46:35 +0000, Boron Elgar said:
>

>
>> Netanyahu may be nuts, but there is no sense in you being nuts, too.
>
>Haven't seen so rapid a shift of topic to the participants in at least
>3 threads. I'll keep my eye on you... again.

I never take tallies. My responses are on based on inaccuracies,
misinformation, lies and foolishness. If they come up in the first
layer I'll respond, too...sometimes it takes me longer because the
original idiot is in the KF.

On 8/26/2015 9:34 AM, gtr wrote:
> On 2015-08-25 19:46:
> Haven't seen so rapid a shift of topic to the participants in at least 3
> threads. I'll keep my eye on you... again.
>
Ayup...

On 8/26/2015 9:38 AM, Playa wrote:
Barbara J. Llorente - A FRAUD TROLL ENABLER!
Get the **** out of here, you FAT FRAUD biotch troll!




Get out - stalker!


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Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...

On 8/26/2015 9:47 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:34:04 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-25 19:46:35 +0000, Boron Elgar said:
>>etimes it takes me longer because the
> original idiot is in the KF.
>
Ayup...

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On 8/25/2015 1:29 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:16:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" wrote:
>>>> Oh no! I seem to offended someone here again. What are the odds? :-o
>>>
>>> You need to grow a thicker skin)) Do you really care? You didn't set
>>> out to be offensive.
>>
>> No I didn't set out to be offensive but sure enough, what's his name
>> got offended. I was joking, not upset. Israel's definition of what
>> is ketchup is so petty. That's why their taxes are so high just like
>> every other country's taxes are too high. Politicians making rules as
>> to the definition of ketchup. idiots in all countries.
>
> I don't understand why it's an issue when there are so many other
> choices. Simply Heinz is delicious.
>

Sounds like the rules are to keep out the competition. Second the
Simply Heinz. Has a fresher taste than the regular stuff. Hunts 100%
Natural is good too.

On 2015-08-25 20:56, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Sounds like the rules are to keep out the competition. Second the
> Simply Heinz. Has a fresher taste than the regular stuff. Hunts 100%
> Natural is good too.


There was nothing in there about keeping our the competition. They can
still sell their product, they just can't use call it tomato ketchup on
the Hebrew label. They can use it on the English labels. They point is
that they there is so little tomato in it that it does not qualify as
tomato ketchup.

Good for them. I had already given up on Heinz tomato ketchup because it
didn't have much of a tomato taste anymore.

On 8/25/2015 9:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-08-25 20:56, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like the rules are to keep out the competition. Second the
>> Simply Heinz. Has a fresher taste than the regular stuff. Hunts 100%
>> Natural is good too.
>
>
> There was nothing in there about keeping our the competition. They can
> still sell their product, they just can't use call it tomato ketchup on
> the Hebrew label. They can use it on the English labels. They point is
> that they there is so little tomato in it that it does not qualify as
> tomato ketchup.
>
> Good for them. I had already given up on Heinz tomato ketchup because it
> didn't have much of a tomato taste anymore.

You don't think is will affect sales? They are entitled to make
whatever definition and rules they want, but I'd like to know more about
the reason. Lobbyist often get partisan specifications into laws. I
don't know if that is the case here.

On 2015-08-25 22:59, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/25/2015 9:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-08-25 20:56, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like the rules are to keep out the competition. Second the
>>> Simply Heinz. Has a fresher taste than the regular stuff. Hunts 100%
>>> Natural is good too.
>>
>>
>> There was nothing in there about keeping our the competition. They can
>> still sell their product, they just can't use call it tomato ketchup on
>> the Hebrew label. They can use it on the English labels. They point is
>> that they there is so little tomato in it that it does not qualify as
>> tomato ketchup.
>>
>> Good for them. I had already given up on Heinz tomato ketchup because it
>> didn't have much of a tomato taste anymore.
>
> You don't think is will affect sales? They are entitled to make
> whatever definition and rules they want, but I'd like to know more about
> the reason. Lobbyist often get partisan specifications into laws. I
> don't know if that is the case here.


I don't think there is any reason to suspect that it had anything to do
with anything other than their food quality standards. No one is telling
then that they can't sell it. They are just saying that if they want to
sell it as tomato ketchup with a Hebrew label it has to be at least 10%
tomato solids. The imported wants to change the definition and drop the
tomato solids level to 6%.

Basically, the Heinz product is has a little more than half the tomato
content that Israeli standards require to call it ketchup. Having been
very disappointed with the diminishing quality of ketchup over the
years, I applaud them.

On 8/25/2015 11:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> I don't think there is any reason to suspect that it had anything to do
> with anything other than their food quality standards. No one is telling
> then that they can't sell it. They are just saying that if they want to
> sell it as tomato ketchup with a Hebrew label it has to be at least 10%
> tomato solids. The imported wants to change the definition and drop the
> tomato solids level to 6%.
>
> Basically, the Heinz product is has a little more than half the tomato
> content that Israeli standards require to call it ketchup. Having been
> very disappointed with the diminishing quality of ketchup over the
> years, I applaud them.
>

OK by me, but I'd like to know where the standard came from. If you
were a ketchup maker with 12% solids and had the ear of the standards
writer, what you you tell him the specs should be? It would be to your
benefit of have the tomato syrup on the back shelf.

On 8/26/2015 12:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Ayup...

On 8/26/2015 1:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Ayup...

On 8/26/2015 1:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-08-25 22:59, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8ith the diminishing quality of ketchup over the
> years, I applaud them.
>
Ayup...

On 8/26/2015 11:32 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-08-25 20:56, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
> Good for them. I had already given up on Heinz tomato ketchup because it
> didn't have much of a tomato taste anymore.

Ayup...

On 8/26/2015 10:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/25/2015 1:29 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:16:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>eep out the competition. Second the
> Simply Heinz. Has a fresher taste than the regular stuff. Hunts 100%
> Natural is good too.

Ayup...

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:59:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/25/2015 9:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-08-25 20:56, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like the rules are to keep out the competition. Second the
>>> Simply Heinz. Has a fresher taste than the regular stuff. Hunts 100%
>>> Natural is good too.
>>
>>
>> There was nothing in there about keeping our the competition. They can
>> still sell their product, they just can't use call it tomato ketchup on
>> the Hebrew label. They can use it on the English labels. They point is
>> that they there is so little tomato in it that it does not qualify as
>> tomato ketchup.
>>
>> Good for them. I had already given up on Heinz tomato ketchup because it
>> didn't have much of a tomato taste anymore.
>
>You don't think is will affect sales? They are entitled to make
>whatever definition and rules they want, but I'd like to know more about
>the reason. Lobbyist often get partisan specifications into laws. I
>don't know if that is the case here.

These classifications and legal challenges are very common in the US,
as well as abroad. Why this tempest has made the news is anyone's
guess, but likely Heinz's fighting back in as big a way as they can to
protect their imagery.

I have done a lot of the background legal research for just such
claims over the year....big companies, small companies, famous ones,
not so famous ones (until news of the suits or claims challenges
occur). Whole industries have sprung up around this sort of thing.

Legal product claims are challenged in court all the time. Add in any
deviation from industry or governmental regs and you have a house
afire.

It just isn't rare. In this case, though, a few things appear at this
point to be interesting...there are govt standards in place for
ketchup definitions in Israel (Remember when after Reagan's huge USDA
funding, suddenly ketchup was declared a fruit/vegetable for school
lunches? These crazy things happen), Heinz claimed their product
contained a certain amount of tomato solids, then, their main
competitor and the holder of the largest market share over there,
decided to test the Heinz claims.

Write up is here.

http://europe.newsweek.com/israel-ke...asoning-331848

"Israeli food manufacturer Osem, which supplies the largest portion of
Israel's ketchup with a 66% market share, argued that Heinz ketchup
did not have the required tomato content to be defined as ketchup
under Israeli food regulations.

In January, Osem sent a letter to retailers which revealed it had
tested Heinz ketchup in a "leading European external laboratory,"
discovering that the condiment only held 21% of tomato concentrate,
according to the Times of Israel. The findings were contrary to
Heinz's advertising, which said the content held 61% tomato
concentrate. Israeli food standards require ketchup to hold 41% of
tomato concentrate.

Osem also claimed that Heinz bottles, advertised as containing 39%
tomato concentrate, only contained just 17%.

The company which distributes Heinz ketchup within Israel, Diplomat,
saw red over Osem's campaign against Heinz and issued a strongly
worded statement in January in reply to the letter, taking a swipe at
Osem's control of the market.

"Obviously, Osem, which has a monopoly, would be happy if it were only
possible to sell their product in Israel," a spokesperson for Diplomat
told Israel's Ynet News website in January. "But Osem's claims have no
substance.""

The distributor is now filing its own petition to change the
definition of ketchup within Israel and the requirements of a ketchup
product from 10% tomato solids to 6%. The potential alteration has the
support of the Health Ministry's food division, Israeli daily
newspaper Haaretz reported.

Sqwertz wrote:
> Can anybody guess


GET OUT, YOU'RE done HERE, VIRUS!

Sqwertz wrote:
> Israel has a better argument


**** off woman-stalker:

>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:59:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/25/2015 9:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-08-25 20:56, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like the rules are to keep out the competition. Second the
>>> Simply Heinz. Has a fresher taste than the regular stuff. Hunts 100%
>>> Natural is good too.
>>
>>
>> There was nothing in there about keeping our the competition. They can
>> still sell their product, they just can't use call it tomato ketchup on
>> the Hebrew label. They can use it on the English labels. They point is
>> that they there is so little tomato in it that it does not qualify as
>> tomato ketchup.
>>
>> Good for them. I had already given up on Heinz tomato ketchup because it
>> didn't have much of a tomato taste anymore.
>
>You don't think is will affect sales? They are entitled to make
>whatever definition and rules they want, but I'd like to know more about
>the reason. Lobbyist often get partisan specifications into laws. I
>don't know if that is the case here.

Probably because Heinz is a Kraut name. Truth is whether Heinz,
Hunt's, Del Monte, Walmart Great Value, or any store brand... after
the second burger n' fries no one can tell the difference.

On 8/26/2015 6:44 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:

> Write up is here.
>
> http://europe.newsweek.com/israel-ke...asoning-331848
>
> "Israeli food manufacturer Osem, which supplies the largest portion of
> Israel's ketchup with a 66% market share, argued that Heinz ketchup
> did not have the required tomato content to be defined as ketchup
> under Israeli food regulations.
>
> In January, Osem sent a letter to retailers which revealed it had
> tested Heinz ketchup in a "leading European external laboratory,"
> discovering that the condiment only held 21% of tomato concentrate,
> according to the Times of Israel. The findings were contrary to
> Heinz's advertising, which said the content held 61% tomato
> concentrate. Israeli food standards require ketchup to hold 41% of
> tomato concentrate.
>
> Osem also claimed that Heinz bottles, advertised as containing 39%
> tomato concentrate, only contained just 17%.
>
> The company which distributes Heinz ketchup within Israel, Diplomat,
> saw red over Osem's campaign against Heinz and issued a strongly
> worded statement in January in reply to the letter, taking a swipe at
> Osem's control of the market.
>
> "Obviously, Osem, which has a monopoly, would be happy if it were only
> possible to sell their product in Israel," a spokesperson for Diplomat
> told Israel's Ynet News website in January. "But Osem's claims have no
> substance.""
>
> The distributor is now filing its own petition to change the
> definition of ketchup within Israel and the requirements of a ketchup
> product from 10% tomato solids to 6%. The potential alteration has the
> support of the Health Ministry's food division, Israeli daily
> newspaper Haaretz reported.
>

I wonder how the influence was worked. Its all about monry.

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 02:00:47 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:40:58 +1000, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:19:46 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Did you read the article. Israel has laws regarding food standards and
>>>in order to be called ketchup it has to meet a certain percentage for
>>>tomato content. They are saying that there is not enough tomato in it.
>>>That might explain why Heinz is so lacking in tomato flavour these days.
>>
>> Yep. There's nothing wrong with what they're trying to do.
>> Should be more of it.
>
>Israel has a better argument than Unilever's attempt to try and
>re-brand "Just Mayo" as a fake mayonnaise.

Yep.

On 8/26/2015 7:46 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> And just after I mention that, the FDA cracked down


Fascist.

On 8/27/2015 11:24 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/26/2015 6:44 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>> Write up is here.
>>
>> http://europe.newsweek.com/israel-ke...asoning-331848
>>
>>
>> "Israeli food manufacturer Osem, which supplies the largest portion of
>> Israel's ketchup with a 66% market share, argued that Heinz ketchup
>> did not have the required tomato content to be defined as ketchup
>> under Israeli food regulations.
>>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.