On 8/29/2015 9:57 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 3:37:39 AM UTC-10, Xeno wrote:
>> On 29/08/2015 11:16 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>>> On 8/29/15 1:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yeah, he didn't exactly pick the right item to get all patriotic
>>>>> about, that's for sure. Most all the best coffee grinders are European
>>>>> made.
>>>>
>>>> What a blanket statement. Do you know all the American brands and have
>>>> you tested them?
>>>
>>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
>>>
>>> That's why I bought my Ditting.
>>>
>>> -- Larry
>>
>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Xeno.
>
> High end coffee is like shooting up your dope in the drawing room instead of an alley.
>
+1

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:26:41 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/29/2015 9:51 AM, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/29/2015 9:36 AM, Xeno wrote:
>>>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Apparently we call it 'Starbucks'.
>>>
>>> Jill <--never been to Starbucks
>>
>> I had a customer bring us regular coffee from Starbucks once. I was
>> not impressed. 7-11 coffee is better.
>>
>McDonald's coffee is allegedly better. Just don't spill it on your lap.
>
>Jill

I samoples some of McCraps coffee a couple of yearsd ago, not bad.
Vastly better thasn that swill they USED to serve, I'l tell ya that!!
I said years ago with that lawsuit, we should have sued McCraps for
serving bad coffee!! Used to be the WORST, hot or not!!

John Kuthe...

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:43:21 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> It's pretty much a global economy now. This is why we have a good
> variety of food available all year now rather than just in season
> here.

That's also why I appreciate country of origin being clearly labeled
on our food. I want the opportunity to make an informed decision and
that ability is slowly being eroded. Unfortunately, our government is
undoing what few consumer protections we have and they've started with
meat. I don't have a problem with meat from Mexico and Canada, but I
do want to know where it came from. When push comes to shove, Mexican
beef might be preferential to American beef because they're more
likely to have skipped the feedlot fattening stage and be entirely
grass fed (antibiotic & steroid free).
http://www.wsj.com/articles/house-vo...u-s-1433990294


--
Elitist Snob

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 23:54:10 +1000, Xeno >
wrote:

> On 29/08/2015 11:51 PM, Gary wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> On 8/29/2015 9:36 AM, Xeno wrote:
> >>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Apparently we call it 'Starbucks'.
> >>
> >> Jill <--never been to Starbucks
> >
> > I had a customer bring us regular coffee from Starbucks once. I was
> > not impressed. 7-11 coffee is better.
> >
> Gloria Jean's Coffees is another that is . . sad.

It's all personal taste. I spent a bloody fortune on Philz once and
was not impressed either.

--
Elitist Snob

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:26:41 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 8/29/2015 9:51 AM, Gary wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> On 8/29/2015 9:36 AM, Xeno wrote:
> >>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Apparently we call it 'Starbucks'.
> >>
> >> Jill <--never been to Starbucks
> >
> > I had a customer bring us regular coffee from Starbucks once. I was
> > not impressed. 7-11 coffee is better.
> >
> McDonald's coffee is allegedly better. Just don't spill it on your lap.
>
I think they turned down the heat after that happened. It never
mattered to me because I don't drink coffee black. Coffee is just a
good excuse for cream and sugar for me. Anyway, the lap incident
happened back in the days when their coffee was meh. It's top notch
now, but I think who the supplier is depends on who the franchise
owner is (and local tastes) - probably 7-11 operates that way too. I
know the McDonald's and 7-11 franchises I've ordered coffee from
(here) serve coffee that rivals any high end coffee shop (chain or
independent) in the City. In fact, it's hard to find a cup of coffee
around here that isn't terrific. It has happened but that's when I'm
surprised. Good coffee is never surprising, it's expected.


--
Elitist Snob

On 8/29/2015 11:43 AM, wrote:
> Their coffee 30 years ago was undrinkable. That law suit and the
> legends that surround it were very unfair to the woman concerned. They
> were serving the coffee far too hot for safety and hers spilled.


Stupid old Biotch was an OPPORTUNIST LIAR!

On 8/29/2015 11:42 AM, sf wrote:
>> McDonald's coffee is allegedly better. Just don't spill it on your lap.
>> >
> I think they turned down the heat after that happened. I


They did, and it was not necessary to either.

On 8/29/2015 11:32 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:43:21 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> It's pretty much a global economy now. This is why we have a good
>> variety of food available all year now rather than just in season
>> here.
>
> That's also why I appreciate country of origin being clearly labeled
> on our food. I want the opportunity to make an informed decision and
> that ability is slowly being eroded. Unfortunately, our government is
> undoing what few consumer protections we have and they've started with
> meat. I don't have a problem with meat from Mexico and Canada, but I
> do want to know where it came from. When push comes to shove, Mexican
> beef might be preferential to American beef because they're more
> likely to have skipped the feedlot fattening stage and be entirely
> grass fed (antibiotic & steroid free).
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/house-vo...u-s-1433990294
>
>


+1!

On 8/29/2015 11:17 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> I samoples some of McCraps coffee a couple of yearsd


Dude.

S_O_B_E_R UP!

On 29/08/2015 8:01 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:46:44 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/29/2015 9:36 AM, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 29/08/2015 11:16 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>>>> On 8/29/15 1:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, he didn't exactly pick the right item to get all patriotic
>>>>>> about, that's for sure. Most all the best coffee grinders are European
>>>>>> made.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a blanket statement. Do you know all the American brands and have
>>>>> you tested them?
>>>>
>>>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
>>>>
>>>> That's why I bought my Ditting.
>>>>
>>>> -- Larry
>>>
>>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Apparently we call it 'Starbucks'.
>>
>> Jill <--never been to Starbucks
>
> I went to Starbucks with a friend but when I saw what the coffee would
> cost, my Scottish mode moved in. She bought her coffee, I decided to
> wait until I got home
>
I go to a Starbucks regularly. There are 2 Canadian-owned coffee shops
within a few yards but they charge 50% more than SB!!!
Graham

On 29/08/2015 1:07 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:34:13 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 29/08/2015 8:01 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:46:44 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/29/2015 9:36 AM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 29/08/2015 11:16 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/29/15 1:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, he didn't exactly pick the right item to get all patriotic
>>>>>>>> about, that's for sure. Most all the best coffee grinders are European
>>>>>>>> made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a blanket statement. Do you know all the American brands and have
>>>>>>> you tested them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why I bought my Ditting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Larry
>>>>>
>>>>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Apparently we call it 'Starbucks'.
>>>>
>>>> Jill <--never been to Starbucks
>>>
>>> I went to Starbucks with a friend but when I saw what the coffee would
>>> cost, my Scottish mode moved in. She bought her coffee, I decided to
>>> wait until I got home
>>>
>> I go to a Starbucks regularly. There are 2 Canadian-owned coffee shops
>> within a few yards but they charge 50% more than SB!!!
>> Graham
>
> Other than combined with a sit down meal out, I can't remember when I
> last bought a coffee lol
>
I meet a friend there - a retired psychology prof - so the conversations
are always interesting. There used to be 4 of us but one moved to
Victoria and the other has shortened his daily walk.
We all preferred Canadian owned and non-corporate so when our favourite
place closed we went to one. The employees there turned out to be sloven
and the place was filthy in the mornings as they never bothered to clean
before closing. The service in the other "twee" and fashionable but
locally owned place was absolutely appalling, as were the prices. The SB
staff are friendly, efficient and the coffee isn't bad.
Graham

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:05:25 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:20:27 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>
>>On 8/28/2015 1:03 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> And I especially love NOT SENDING ANY OF MY MONEY TO CHINA!!
>>
>>Have you looked at the balance of payments between the US and China?
>>
>>And the Swiss make the best coffee mills, anyway.

When empty they yodel, they keep time too... I have several pepper
mills... my favorite has a mechanism made in Denmark, I use it for
white peppercorns.


>Yeah, he didn't exactly pick the right item to get all patriotic
>about, that's for sure. Most all the best coffee grinders are European
>made.

los Golondrinas wrote:
>lucretiaborgia wrote:
>>
>> I went to Starbucks with a friend but when I saw what the coffee would
>> cost, my Scottish mode moved in.
>
>You cheap old vinegar titted WHORE!

Yeah but get a load of the massiveness of her pair of cruets... I bet
given the opportunity I can produce a gallon of salad dressing.

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 05:50:14 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 23:36:50 +1000, Xeno >
>wrote:
>
>>On 29/08/2015 11:16 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>>> On 8/29/15 1:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yeah, he didn't exactly pick the right item to get all patriotic
>>>>> about, that's for sure. Most all the best coffee grinders are European
>>>>> made.
>>>>
>>>> What a blanket statement. Do you know all the American brands and have
>>>> you tested them?
>>>
>>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
>>>
>>> That's why I bought my Ditting.
>>
>>Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>
>That's far more relevant than snobbing around over a grinder.

I really like the Sumatran I buy from a local roaster.

I don't give a rat's ass if it's "high end" or not.

John Kuthe...

On 8/29/2015 1:07 PM, wrote:
> I can't remember when I
> last bought a coffee lol


It's nice you have a sense of humor to go with your Alzheimers.

On 8/29/2015 1:33 PM, graham wrote:
> On 29/08/2015 1:07 PM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:34:13 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/08/2015 8:01 AM, wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:46:44 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/29/2015 9:36 AM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/08/2015 11:16 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/29/15 1:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, he didn't exactly pick the right item to get all patriotic
>>>>>>>>> about, that's for sure. Most all the best coffee grinders are
>>>>>>>>> European
>>>>>>>>> made.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a blanket statement. Do you know all the American brands
>>>>>>>> and have
>>>>>>>> you tested them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made.
>>>>>>> Period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's why I bought my Ditting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently we call it 'Starbucks'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill <--never been to Starbucks
>>>>
>>>> I went to Starbucks with a friend but when I saw what the coffee would
>>>> cost, my Scottish mode moved in. She bought her coffee, I decided to
>>>> wait until I got home
>>>>
>>> I go to a Starbucks regularly. There are 2 Canadian-owned coffee shops
>>> within a few yards but they charge 50% more than SB!!!
>>> Graham
>>
>> Other than combined with a sit down meal out, I can't remember when I
>> last bought a coffee lol
>>
> I meet a friend there - a retired psychology prof - so the conversations
> are always interesting. There used to be 4 of us but one moved to
> Victoria and the other has shortened his daily walk.
> We all preferred Canadian owned and non-corporate so when our favourite
> place closed we went to one. The employees there turned out to be sloven
> and the place was filthy in the mornings as they never bothered to clean
> before closing. The service in the other "twee" and fashionable but
> locally owned place was absolutely appalling, as were the prices. The SB
> staff are friendly, efficient and the coffee isn't bad.
> Graham


So it took an AMERICAN corporation to teach hungover Canuckleheads how
to run a proper and tidy retail venue.

Why am I NOT surprised...

On 8/29/2015 1:42 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> los Golondrinas wrote:
>> lucretiaborgia wrote:
>>>
>>> I went to Starbucks with a friend but when I saw what the coffee would
>>> cost, my Scottish mode moved in.
>>
>> You cheap old vinegar titted WHORE!
>
> Yeah but get a load of the massiveness of her pair of cruets... I bet
> given the opportunity I can produce a gallon of salad dressing.
>

Curdled, yes....

On 8/29/2015 1:50 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 23:36:50 +1000, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 29/08/2015 11:16 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>>> On 8/29/15 1:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yeah, he didn't exactly pick the right item to get all patriotic
>>>>> about, that's for sure. Most all the best coffee grinders are European
>>>>> made.
>>>>
>>>> What a blanket statement. Do you know all the American brands and have
>>>> you tested them?
>>>
>>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
>>>
>>> That's why I bought my Ditting.
>>
>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>
> That's far more relevant than snobbing around over a grinder.
>


Do Auzzies all shag sheep?

Gary wrote:
>
>I had a customer bring us regular coffee from Starbucks once. I was
>not impressed. 7-11 coffee is better.

No way I'm paying more than two bits for coffee that's served in a
paper cup. And all those coffee emporiums don't even serve coffee,
it's all like soda jerk recipes of a half dozen ingredients with a
tetch of artificial coffee flavor. Folks have gotten so used to that
TIAD dreck they don't know how real coffee should taste. The next
best thing to good homemade java is Manhattan Special.
https://www.manhattanspecial.com/

On 8/29/2015 2:55 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>>
>> I had a customer bring us regular coffee from Starbucks once. I was
>> not impressed. 7-11 coffee is better.
>
> No way I'm paying more than two bits for coffee that's served in a
> paper cup.

Why not?

> And all those coffee emporiums don't even serve coffee,
> it's all like soda jerk recipes of a half dozen ingredients with a
> tetch of artificial coffee flavor.

No, they use real coffee:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrVh4LLLd2s

AND a lotta junk too....



> Folks have gotten so used to that
> TIAD dreck they don't know how real coffee should taste.

Like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_YqnZUOFQc

> The next
> best thing to good homemade java is Manhattan Special.
> https://www.manhattanspecial.com/


Meh, more New Yawka blusta!

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 14:43:48 -0300, wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:17:00 -0500, John Kuthe >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:26:41 -0400, jmcquown >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/29/2015 9:51 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/29/2015 9:36 AM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently we call it 'Starbucks'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill <--never been to Starbucks
>>>>
>>>> I had a customer bring us regular coffee from Starbucks once. I was
>>>> not impressed. 7-11 coffee is better.
>>>>
>>>McDonald's coffee is allegedly better. Just don't spill it on your lap.
>>>
>>>Jill
>>
>>I samoples some of McCraps coffee a couple of yearsd ago, not bad.
>>Vastly better thasn that swill they USED to serve, I'l tell ya that!!
>>I said years ago with that lawsuit, we should have sued McCraps for
>>serving bad coffee!! Used to be the WORST, hot or not!!
>>
>>John Kuthe...
>
>Their coffee 30 years ago was undrinkable. That law suit and the
>legends that surround it were very unfair to the woman concerned. They
>were serving the coffee far too hot for safety and hers spilled. She
>asked them, originally, to cover her surgery bills, they said no.
>So she went to court and it cost them much more because her lawyer
>showed that she was far from the first - many people had received
>serious burns and rather than serve at the same heat as other coffee
>sellers they just carried on serving it dangerously hot. So they wound
>up paying her medical costs, paying her about a thou compensation and
>they were ordered to reduce the temperature right away, no ifs ands or
>buts.

That case wasn't as frivolous at it first appears to be, I was amazed
at how badly burned she was from just a cup of coffee.

On 8/29/2015 3:38 PM, Je�us wrote:
> That case wasn't as frivolous at it first appears to be, I was amazed
> at how badly burned she was from just a cup of coffee.


People who can't handle drinks should stay out of drive-through's, period.

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:16:59 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:

>There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.

NO decent grinders? I wouldn't say that, but all one has to do it
check out the few decent coffee forums to see where most of the good
grinders come from by way of reviews and threads.

>That's why I bought my Ditting.

Oh, you were being facetious...

On 8/29/2015 7:43 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:17:00 -0500, John Kuthe >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:26:41 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/29/2015 9:51 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/29/2015 9:36 AM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently we call it 'Starbucks'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill <--never been to Starbucks
>>>>
>>>> I had a customer bring us regular coffee from Starbucks once. I was
>>>> not impressed. 7-11 coffee is better.
>>>>
>>> McDonald's coffee is allegedly better. Just don't spill it on your lap.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I samoples some of McCraps coffee a couple of yearsd ago, not bad.
>> Vastly better thasn that swill they USED to serve, I'l tell ya that!!
>> I said years ago with that lawsuit, we should have sued McCraps for
>> serving bad coffee!! Used to be the WORST, hot or not!!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> Their coffee 30 years ago was undrinkable. That law suit and the
> legends that surround it were very unfair to the woman concerned. They
> were serving the coffee far too hot for safety and hers spilled. She
> asked them, originally, to cover her surgery bills, they said no.
> So she went to court and it cost them much more because her lawyer
> showed that she was far from the first - many people had received
> serious burns and rather than serve at the same heat as other coffee
> sellers they just carried on serving it dangerously hot. So they wound
> up paying her medical costs, paying her about a thou compensation and
> they were ordered to reduce the temperature right away, no ifs ands or
> buts.
>

The woman in the suit, Stella Liebeck, was used as the goat by the big
corporations. She was strung up the pole as an example of the widespread
use of frivolous lawsuits to squeeze money from businesses. In reality,
the courts are the great equalizers in this country that allows an
ordinary citizen to fight powerful companies. In the end, tort reform
laws were passed which was a boon to insurance companies and big
business. The average Joe got screwed again because of our stupidness
and gullibility. I guess we all get what we deserve.

On 8/29/2015 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 8/29/2015 7:43 AM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:17:00 -0500, John Kuthe >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:26:41 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/29/2015 9:51 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/29/2015 9:36 AM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently we call it 'Starbucks'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill <--never been to Starbucks
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a customer bring us regular coffee from Starbucks once. I was
>>>>> not impressed. 7-11 coffee is better.
>>>>>
>>>> McDonald's coffee is allegedly better. Just don't spill it on your
>>>> lap.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I samoples some of McCraps coffee a couple of yearsd ago, not bad.
>>> Vastly better thasn that swill they USED to serve, I'l tell ya that!!
>>> I said years ago with that lawsuit, we should have sued McCraps for
>>> serving bad coffee!! Used to be the WORST, hot or not!!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> Their coffee 30 years ago was undrinkable. That law suit and the
>> legends that surround it were very unfair to the woman concerned. They
>> were serving the coffee far too hot for safety and hers spilled. She
>> asked them, originally, to cover her surgery bills, they said no.
>> So she went to court and it cost them much more because her lawyer
>> showed that she was far from the first - many people had received
>> serious burns and rather than serve at the same heat as other coffee
>> sellers they just carried on serving it dangerously hot. So they wound
>> up paying her medical costs, paying her about a thou compensation and
>> they were ordered to reduce the temperature right away, no ifs ands or
>> buts.
>>
>
> The woman in the suit, Stella Liebeck, was used as the goat by the big
> corporations. She was strung up the pole as an example of the widespread
> use of frivolous lawsuits to squeeze money from businesses.

Thank you!!!!

> In reality,
> the courts are the great equalizers in this country that allows an
> ordinary citizen to fight powerful companies. In the end, tort reform
> laws were passed which was a boon to insurance companies and big
> business. The average Joe got screwed again because of our stupidness
> and gullibility. I guess we all get what we deserve.


Some more so than others ....

;-(

On 8/29/2015 4:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:54:45 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:16:59 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>>
>>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
>>
>> NO decent grinders? I wouldn't say that, but all one has to do it
>> check out the few decent coffee forums to see where most of the good
>> grinders come from by way of reviews and threads.
>
> I can grind coffee with a hammer.
>


It's the Auzzie way, eh mate?

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:02:11 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

>On 8/29/2015 7:43 AM, wrote:
>> Their coffee 30 years ago was undrinkable. That law suit and the
>> legends that surround it were very unfair to the woman concerned. They
>> were serving the coffee far too hot for safety and hers spilled. She
>> asked them, originally, to cover her surgery bills, they said no.
>> So she went to court and it cost them much more because her lawyer
>> showed that she was far from the first - many people had received
>> serious burns and rather than serve at the same heat as other coffee
>> sellers they just carried on serving it dangerously hot. So they wound
>> up paying her medical costs, paying her about a thou compensation and
>> they were ordered to reduce the temperature right away, no ifs ands or
>> buts.
>
>The woman in the suit, Stella Liebeck, was used as the goat by the big
>corporations. She was strung up the pole as an example of the widespread
>use of frivolous lawsuits to squeeze money from businesses. In reality,
>the courts are the great equalizers in this country that allows an
>ordinary citizen to fight powerful companies. In the end, tort reform
>laws were passed which was a boon to insurance companies and big
>business. The average Joe got screwed again because of our stupidness
>and gullibility. I guess we all get what we deserve.

Well said. Why can't you post like this more often?
(aside for one contradiction, but you can't have everything, is 'my
guess').

On 8/29/2015 4:34 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:02:11 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> On 8/29/2015 7:43 AM, wrote:
>>> Their coffee 30 years ago was undrinkable. That law suit and the
>>> legends that surround it were very unfair to the woman concerned. They
>>> were serving the coffee far too hot for safety and hers spilled. She
>>> asked them, originally, to cover her surgery bills, they said no.
>>> So she went to court and it cost them much more because her lawyer
>>> showed that she was far from the first - many people had received
>>> serious burns and rather than serve at the same heat as other coffee
>>> sellers they just carried on serving it dangerously hot. So they wound
>>> up paying her medical costs, paying her about a thou compensation and
>>> they were ordered to reduce the temperature right away, no ifs ands or
>>> buts.
>>
>> The woman in the suit, Stella Liebeck, was used as the goat by the big
>> corporations. She was strung up the pole as an example of the widespread
>> use of frivolous lawsuits to squeeze money from businesses. In reality,
>> the courts are the great equalizers in this country that allows an
>> ordinary citizen to fight powerful companies. In the end, tort reform
>> laws were passed which was a boon to insurance companies and big
>> business. The average Joe got screwed again because of our stupidness
>> and gullibility. I guess we all get what we deserve.
>
> Well said. Why can't you post like this more often?
> (aside for one contradiction, but you can't have everything, is 'my
> guess').
>

Why can't you people drive in the snow?

3 lousy inches and you act like it's a freaking blizzard!

On 2015-08-29 20:48, wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:38:01 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> That case wasn't as frivolous at it first appears to be, I was amazed
>> at how badly burned she was from just a cup of coffee.
>
> Yes, no doubt about it, McDogs did a great job of making her out to
> be a grabber and McDogs the 'poor innocent victim' !!
>


I don't doubt that she was badly burned and that she suffered a lot.
Sure the coffee was hot. It is a hot drink. It is supposed to be hot,
especially if people are getting it to go and planning to drink it
later. The only reason it spilled on her nether region is that she was
bracing a flimsy container between her legs. Sometimes people have to
take responsibility for their own mistakes.

On 30/08/2015 8:11 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:54:45 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:16:59 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>>
>>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
>>
>> NO decent grinders? I wouldn't say that, but all one has to do it
>> check out the few decent coffee forums to see where most of the good
>> grinders come from by way of reviews and threads.
>
> I can grind coffee with a hammer.
>
No, you can beat it to death but you cannot "grind" it with a hammer!

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Xeno

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:48:24 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:38:01 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 14:43:48 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:17:00 -0500, John Kuthe >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:26:41 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 8/29/2015 9:51 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/29/2015 9:36 AM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently we call it 'Starbucks'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jill <--never been to Starbucks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a customer bring us regular coffee from Starbucks once. I was
>>>>>> not impressed. 7-11 coffee is better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>McDonald's coffee is allegedly better. Just don't spill it on your lap.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jill
>>>>
>>>>I samoples some of McCraps coffee a couple of yearsd ago, not bad.
>>>>Vastly better thasn that swill they USED to serve, I'l tell ya that!!
>>>>I said years ago with that lawsuit, we should have sued McCraps for
>>>>serving bad coffee!! Used to be the WORST, hot or not!!
>>>>
>>>>John Kuthe...
>>>
>>>Their coffee 30 years ago was undrinkable. That law suit and the
>>>legends that surround it were very unfair to the woman concerned. They
>>>were serving the coffee far too hot for safety and hers spilled. She
>>>asked them, originally, to cover her surgery bills, they said no.
>>>So she went to court and it cost them much more because her lawyer
>>>showed that she was far from the first - many people had received
>>>serious burns and rather than serve at the same heat as other coffee
>>>sellers they just carried on serving it dangerously hot. So they wound
>>>up paying her medical costs, paying her about a thou compensation and
>>>they were ordered to reduce the temperature right away, no ifs ands or
>>>buts.
>>
>>That case wasn't as frivolous at it first appears to be, I was amazed
>>at how badly burned she was from just a cup of coffee.
>
>Yes, no doubt about it, McDogs did a great job of making her out to
>be a grabber and McDogs the 'poor innocent victim' !!

Not that I think the litigant was without responsibility either for
what happened, but they certainly did a good job exploiting the
situation to their own advantage in an underhanded way.

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:13:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-08-29 20:48, wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:38:01 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> That case wasn't as frivolous at it first appears to be, I was amazed
>>> at how badly burned she was from just a cup of coffee.
>>
>> Yes, no doubt about it, McDogs did a great job of making her out to
>> be a grabber and McDogs the 'poor innocent victim' !!
>>
>
>
>I don't doubt that she was badly burned and that she suffered a lot.

http://tinyurl.com/qacfq7h

http://tinyurl.com/oclt39f

>Sure the coffee was hot. It is a hot drink. It is supposed to be hot,
>especially if people are getting it to go and planning to drink it
>later. The only reason it spilled on her nether region is that she was
>bracing a flimsy container between her legs. Sometimes people have to
>take responsibility for their own mistakes.

It was about much more than that:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

On 8/29/2015 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> With all of his degrees, John should still take a few college classes
> in economics. Closing down our borders and buying only US products
> failed long ago. Unions here were part of the problem. At first they
> saved the lowly workers but later on, they got greedy. US companies
> went oversea to make the same product cheaper. That's just smart
> business when trying to keep stockholders investing and happy.

One of our customer sent us tooling he bought in China. He paid $24,000
with freight and customs fee. He could not find a US toolmaker to do
the job for less than $60,000. It is just as good as any other tools
we've used over the years.

Taking it the next step, if he had to pay US prices for the tool he
would not be in business selling his product in the US and creating jobs
in construction.

On 8/29/2015 10:00 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:43:21 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>
>> With all of his degrees, John should still take a few college classes
>> in economics. Closing down our borders and buying only US products
>> failed long ago. Unions here were part of the problem. At first they
>> saved the lowly workers but later on, they got greedy. US companies
>> went oversea to make the same product cheaper. That's just smart
>> business when trying to keep stockholders investing and happy.
>>
>> It's pretty much a global economy now. This is why we have a good
>> variety of food available all year now rather than just in season
>> here.
>
> The worst possible example was Wartmart. He founded it to try and
> save small time American manufacturers and was successful at that but
> when his greedy kids inherited they saw more bucks for them if it was
> all made off shore. The true cost of 'cheapest' -
>

Walmart has no doubt sold more product because it was cheap, no matter
the source. But put some of the blame on the consumer that demands low
prices no matter the cost.

On 8/29/2015 1:42 PM, sf wrote:

>>> I had a customer bring us regular coffee from Starbucks once. I was
>>> not impressed. 7-11 coffee is better.
>>>
>> McDonald's coffee is allegedly better. Just don't spill it on your lap.
>>
> I think they turned down the heat after that happened. It never
> mattered to me because I don't drink coffee black. Coffee is just a
> good excuse for cream and sugar for me. Anyway, the lap incident
> happened back in the days when their coffee was meh. It's top notch
> now, but I think who the supplier is depends on who the franchise
> owner is (and local tastes) - probably 7-11 operates that way too. I
> know the McDonald's and 7-11 franchises I've ordered coffee from
> (here) serve coffee that rivals any high end coffee shop (chain or
> independent) in the City. In fact, it's hard to find a cup of coffee
> around here that isn't terrific. It has happened but that's when I'm
> surprised. Good coffee is never surprising, it's expected.
>
>

Starbucks did one good thing. They helped make people aware that better
coffee does exist and the chains had to upgrade to be competitive. I
don't know how it affects the chain back to the grower as they can get
premium prices now from buyers that want the best. Who'd have thought
they would even make a TV series about coffee buying? Dangerous Grounds.

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 14:35:13 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 14:18:08 +1000, Xeno >
>wrote:
>
>>On 30/08/2015 8:11 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:54:45 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:16:59 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
>>>>
>>>> NO decent grinders? I wouldn't say that, but all one has to do it
>>>> check out the few decent coffee forums to see where most of the good
>>>> grinders come from by way of reviews and threads.
>>>
>>> I can grind coffee with a hammer.
>>>
>>No, you can beat it to death but you cannot "grind" it with a hammer!
>
>It's a very special hammer from "Europe"

A European Coffee Grinding Hammer, right? ;-)

John Kuthe...

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 6:37:39 AM UTC-7, Xeno wrote:
> On 29/08/2015 11:16 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
> > On 8/29/15 1:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> >>> Yeah, he didn't exactly pick the right item to get all patriotic
> >>> about, that's for sure. Most all the best coffee grinders are European
> >>> made.
> >>
> >> What a blanket statement. Do you know all the American brands and have
> >> you tested them?
> >
> > There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
> >
> > That's why I bought my Ditting.
> >
> > -- Larry
>
> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>

Yes. Typically, Europeans drink cheap robusta beans roasted just shy
of charcoal.* Americans drink Arabica beans roasted just enough to
bring the full flavor out.
*When they're not drinking Nescafe or other instants.

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 6:41:54 AM UTC-7, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > John Kuthe wrote:
> > > A LITTLE money? Do you have any idea what the trade deficit was last
> > > year between the U.S. and China? Here, let me elucidate for you:
> >
> > I was comparing me spending $39.95 on a cheap Chinese appliance with
> > the several million that my company gets from China, not the entire
> > balance of trade figures.
>
> With all of his degrees, John should still take a few college classes
> in economics. Closing down our borders and buying only US products
> failed long ago. Unions here were part of the problem. At first they
> saved the lowly workers but later on, they got greedy. US companies
> went oversea to make the same product cheaper. That's just smart
> business when trying to keep stockholders investing and happy.

Thank you, Rush Limbaugh.

>
> It's pretty much a global economy now. This is why we have a good
> variety of food available all year now rather than just in season
> here.

Yes, I remember how we would almost perish by the time May rolled
around each year, before we could get Chilean peaches in A

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-7, los Golondrinas wrote:
> On 8/28/2015 11:54 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > You sorely overesimate the number of freeloaders in the U.S.
>
>
> Oh?
>
> http://cnsnews.com/news/article/tere...holds-medicaid
>
> Census: 49% of Americans Get Gov't Benefits; 82M in Households on Medicaid

Coincidentally, 82 million American households contain at least one firearm,
per the New York Times/CBS News poll of January 2013.

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 01:48:34 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 8/29/2015 10:00 AM, wrote:
> > On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:43:21 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> With all of his degrees, John should still take a few college classes
> >> in economics. Closing down our borders and buying only US products
> >> failed long ago. Unions here were part of the problem. At first they
> >> saved the lowly workers but later on, they got greedy. US companies
> >> went oversea to make the same product cheaper. That's just smart
> >> business when trying to keep stockholders investing and happy.
> >>
> >> It's pretty much a global economy now. This is why we have a good
> >> variety of food available all year now rather than just in season
> >> here.
> >
> > The worst possible example was Wartmart. He founded it to try and
> > save small time American manufacturers and was successful at that but
> > when his greedy kids inherited they saw more bucks for them if it was
> > all made off shore. The true cost of 'cheapest' -
> >
>
> Walmart has no doubt sold more product because it was cheap, no matter
> the source. But put some of the blame on the consumer that demands low
> prices no matter the cost.

+1

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Elitist Snob