On 2015-08-30 12:27 AM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:13:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-29 20:48, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:38:01 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>> That case wasn't as frivolous at it first appears to be, I was amazed
>>>> at how badly burned she was from just a cup of coffee.
>>>
>>> Yes, no doubt about it, McDogs did a great job of making her out to
>>> be a grabber and McDogs the 'poor innocent victim' !!
>>>
>>
>>
>> I don't doubt that she was badly burned and that she suffered a lot.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/qacfq7h
>
> http://tinyurl.com/oclt39f
>
>> Sure the coffee was hot. It is a hot drink. It is supposed to be hot,
>> especially if people are getting it to go and planning to drink it
>> later. The only reason it spilled on her nether region is that she was
>> bracing a flimsy container between her legs. Sometimes people have to
>> take responsibility for their own mistakes.
>
> It was about much more than that:
> http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

I have read up on it, but AFAIAC, no one in their right mind holds a hot
beverage cup between their legs. It is a hot beverage. They are
supposed to be hot. I can buy McD's argument that people buy the stuff
to go and plan to eat it elsewhere.

I have a confession to make. A couple weeks ago I was coming home late
after a kayak club outing. I stopped and got some tacos. I was going to
wait until I got home, but that would be 25 minutes, and they smelled
so good, and I knew they would likely get soggy before I got home. I
decided to eat them on the go. Sure enough, I slopped hot taco filling
on myself. I had no one to blame but myself.


>

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 01:45:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/29/2015 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>
>> With all of his degrees, John should still take a few college classes
>> in economics. Closing down our borders and buying only US products
>> failed long ago. Unions here were part of the problem. At first they
>> saved the lowly workers but later on, they got greedy. US companies
>> went oversea to make the same product cheaper. That's just smart
>> business when trying to keep stockholders investing and happy.
>
>One of our customer sent us tooling he bought in China. He paid $24,000
>with freight and customs fee. He could not find a US toolmaker to do
>the job for less than $60,000. It is just as good as any other tools
>we've used over the years.
>
>Taking it the next step, if he had to pay US prices for the tool he
>would not be in business selling his product in the US and creating jobs
>in construction.

All true... there are pitifully few toolmakers in the US because some
thirty years ago the US grubbermint stopped supporting skilled labor's
apprenticeship programs. Also the EPA and OSHA have put many
manufacturers out of business and made it impossible for new
manufacturing businesses to start with their ridiculous rules that are
impossible to comply with... so now the US has become a nation of desk
drivers because no one knows how to make stuff. No manufacturing
company can exist without toolmakers, no society can exist without
toolmakers. I worked as a tool & diemaker for more than 50 years,
with the direction it's going I give the US maybe 20 more years, maybe
ten... the next US President better be someone who knows how to make
stuff or it's all over. For my last 25 years I worked as a Master
Toolmaker at Brookhaven National Laboratory (of Manhattan Project
fame). The facility is located on 5,000 acres on eastern Long Island;
https://www.bnl.gov/world/ When I started there were 11 shops and 114
toolmakers, as of last year there was 1 shop and 11 toolmakers, as
toolmakers retired/passed there were no replacements... most tooling
is farmed out to other countries... as a point of interest Israel has
the best Tool & Diemakers on the planet... the most important requsite
for Tool & Diemaking is frugality, the ability to make something from
nothing. Today even most tool steel in the US is imported. Most
toolmakers would concur that Swedish toolsteel is the best:
http://www.uddeholm.com

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:17:07 -0300, wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:13:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2015-08-29 20:48, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:38:01 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>> That case wasn't as frivolous at it first appears to be, I was amazed
>>>> at how badly burned she was from just a cup of coffee.
>>>
>>> Yes, no doubt about it, McDogs did a great job of making her out to
>>> be a grabber and McDogs the 'poor innocent victim' !!
>>>
>>
>>
>>I don't doubt that she was badly burned and that she suffered a lot.
>>Sure the coffee was hot. It is a hot drink. It is supposed to be hot,
>>especially if people are getting it to go and planning to drink it
>>later. The only reason it spilled on her nether region is that she was
>>bracing a flimsy container between her legs. Sometimes people have to
>>take responsibility for their own mistakes.
>
>Do some research and you will find that too is far from the truth. I
>forget the actual temperature but McDogs was something like 25 degrees
>when everyone else was sensibly serving it at 21 = something like that
>anyway. Whatever the temperature was, it was literally 'scalding hot'

If you are going to post something as fact it would behoove you to
offer a reference and not guess or you come across as an idiot or
something like that.

The normal serving temperature of coffee is well above that of the
temperature of residential hot tap water (140ºF), no one showers with
that water without tempering with cold or they'd severely scald
themself. McDonalds absolutely complied with the National Coffee
Association's temperature recomendations, the women who burned herself
is an imbecile, you don't want to be anywhere near her when she's
cooking, her entire body would be scarred with burn marks, she
probably fried her nipples in a pan of bacon grease:
http://www.ncausa.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageID=71

So why is it no one is suing the pizzarias for serving pizza that
burned their palate... most people who eat pizza have burned their
palate at least once, most several times... can be quite painful for a
few days until it heals, I've done it myself, several times, my own
fault for stuffing my maw with hot cheese without waiting a minute,
the server even said be careful, it's hot out of the oven. Yet I've
never heard of a case of someone suing Guido's Pizzaria because the
pie was too hot... never heard of anyone suing a TexMex 'cause their
peppers were too hot. When served at table if the server spills hot
coffee on you then you have a case, that's why they won't pour until
you put your cup down, but when one does take out it's at their own
risk... I'd not have awarded that imbecile a penny, in fact I'd give
her 30 days in jail and a $5,000 fine for bringing a nuisance case,
and her lawyer would make my shit list. I can't count how many times
I've been to a Chinese restaurant an d the waiter brought the steaming
hot pot of tea and he'd say "hot-hot", I could see it's steaming when
I poured, I know enough to wait a bit while I sip my 2ni. When I was
much younger I liked spicy food so I'd order spicy Chinese dishes, the
waiter would bring the dish and with his big toothy Chinese grin say
"spicy-spicy", I could see all those tiny red birdseye peppers, I knew
it was going to dilate my sinuses.
I still can't fathom any normal brained person placing a cup of
steaming hot coffee in their crotch when in a moving car, not even
while at home in their PC chair... for years now automobiles have more
cup holders than they can accomodate passengers... all I can figure is
she had a sudden urge for something hot between her legs... I've known
women who enjoyed having their crotch ministered to with ice cubes but
not steaming hot beverages.

On 8/29/2015 11:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/29/2015 10:00 AM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:43:21 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> With all of his degrees, John should still take a few college classes
>>> in economics. Closing down our borders and buying only US products
>>> failed long ago. Unions here were part of the problem. At first they
>>> saved the lowly workers but later on, they got greedy. US companies
>>> went oversea to make the same product cheaper. That's just smart
>>> business when trying to keep stockholders investing and happy.
>>>
>>> It's pretty much a global economy now. This is why we have a good
>>> variety of food available all year now rather than just in season
>>> here.
>>
>> The worst possible example was Wartmart. He founded it to try and
>> save small time American manufacturers and was successful at that but
>> when his greedy kids inherited they saw more bucks for them if it was
>> all made off shore. The true cost of 'cheapest' -
>>
>
> Walmart has no doubt sold more product because it was cheap, no matter
> the source. But put some of the blame on the consumer that demands low
> prices no matter the cost.
+1

On 8/30/2015 12:44 AM, wrote:
>> Closing down our borders and buying only US products
>> >failed long ago. Unions here were part of the problem. At first they
>> >saved the lowly workers but later on, they got greedy. US companies
>> >went oversea to make the same product cheaper. That's just smart
>> >business when trying to keep stockholders investing and happy.
> Thank you, Rush Limbaugh.
>


Rush taught the unions to sabotage our economy?

Do tell!

On 8/30/2015 5:17 AM, wrote:
>> I don't doubt that she was badly burned and that she suffered a lot.
>> >Sure the coffee was hot. It is a hot drink. It is supposed to be hot,
>> >especially if people are getting it to go and planning to drink it
>> >later. The only reason it spilled on her nether region is that she was
>> >bracing a flimsy container between her legs. Sometimes people have to
>> >take responsibility for their own mistakes.
> Do some research and you will find that too is far from the truth.


No, you lying BIOTCH, it is NOT!

On 8/30/2015 5:33 AM, wrote:
> You get what you
> pay for

How much would it cost to get you out of here forever?

On 8/30/2015 7:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Sure enough, I slopped hot taco filling on myself. I had no one to
> blame but myself.
>
>
Cops tend to do better with donuts, you should know that.

On 8/30/2015 8:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> When I started there were 11 shops and 114
> toolmakers, as of last year there was 1 shop and 11 toolmakers, as
> toolmakers retired/passed there were no replacements... most tooling
> is farmed out to other countries...


This is extremely troubling, thank you for reporting.

On 8/30/2015 8:21 AM, wrote:
>> Sure enough, I slopped hot taco filling
>> >on myself. I had no one to blame but myself.
>> >
>> >
>>> >>
> But were they given to you super heated ? Did you have third degree
> burns even through your clothing ?


Do you believe every lying urban myth that makes its way through the courts?

Idiot.

On 2015-08-30 10:21 AM, wrote:

>> I have a confession to make. A couple weeks ago I was coming home late
>> after a kayak club outing. I stopped and got some tacos. I was going to
>> wait until I got home, but that would be 25 minutes, and they smelled
>> so good, and I knew they would likely get soggy before I got home. I
>> decided to eat them on the go. Sure enough, I slopped hot taco filling
>> on myself. I had no one to blame but myself.
>>
>>
>>>
>
> But were they given to you super heated ? Did you have third degree
> burns even through your clothing ?
>

I pour boiling water into a Bodum and pour my coffee within a minute or
two. I make coffee in a drip machine and pour myself a cup as soon as it
runs through. I would not call McD's coffee superheated, even if a
lawyer was able to convince a judge or juror that fresh made coffee is
not hot. It was in a styrofoam cup. Those things, by their very nature,
or not very strong and are certainly not designed to be held between a
person's legs.

I have read numerous articles on this case and, as much as I pity the
woman for the suffering caused by spilling her coffee into her crotch, I
just get get past the negligence on her part of trying to hold a flimsy
cup of hot coffee between her legs.

On 29/08/2015 11:45 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/29/2015 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>
>> With all of his degrees, John should still take a few college classes
>> in economics. Closing down our borders and buying only US products
>> failed long ago. Unions here were part of the problem. At first they
>> saved the lowly workers but later on, they got greedy. US companies
>> went oversea to make the same product cheaper. That's just smart
>> business when trying to keep stockholders investing and happy.
>
> One of our customer sent us tooling he bought in China. He paid $24,000
> with freight and customs fee. He could not find a US toolmaker to do
> the job for less than $60,000. It is just as good as any other tools
> we've used over the years.
>
> Taking it the next step, if he had to pay US prices for the tool he
> would not be in business selling his product in the US and creating jobs
> in construction.
>
About 28 years ago, Delta designed a new entry level wood lathe. The put
it out to tender to one of their own US plants and a Taiwanese plant.
The US plant won.
Graham

On 8/30/2015 10:56 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> The anti-trust and fair trade laws we passed years ago are being
> eroded and repealed for the profit of the Ownership Class!

No they're not.>

> And We The People are feeding it, by shopping at MalWart!!
>
> John Kuthe...

You are such a Johnny One Note.

Ever hear of Dollar General?

K Mart?

Walgreens?

Why is it _always_ about Wal mart?

You ****ing IGNORAMUS!

On 30/08/2015 12:42 AM, wrote:
> On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 6:37:39 AM UTC-7, Xeno wrote:
>> On 29/08/2015 11:16 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>>> On 8/29/15 1:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yeah, he didn't exactly pick the right item to get all patriotic
>>>>> about, that's for sure. Most all the best coffee grinders are European
>>>>> made.
>>>>
>>>> What a blanket statement. Do you know all the American brands and have
>>>> you tested them?
>>>
>>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
>>>
>>> That's why I bought my Ditting.
>>>
>>> -- Larry
>>
>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>
>
> Yes. Typically, Europeans drink cheap robusta beans roasted just shy
> of charcoal.*

That has changed. When I went to buy some of that sort of coffee in a
French supermarket, they only sold good quality arabica.

Americans drink Arabica beans roasted just enough to
> bring the full flavor out.

Really? USians used to laugh at the coffee that Brits drank. However,
when I moved over the pond, I tasted some of the worst coffee ever in US
diners and restaurants. It took Starbucks to change USians concept of
good coffee.
Graham

On 8/30/2015 12:56 PM, John Kuthe wrote:

>
> And We The People are feeding it, by shopping at MalWart!!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

You blame WalMart, but Target K Mart, Sears Amazon, and every other
retailer is selling cheap stuff from China. And red blooded Americans
are buying cheap stuff and demanding low prices.

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:41:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/30/2015 12:56 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
>>
>> And We The People are feeding it, by shopping at MalWart!!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>
>You blame WalMart, but Target K Mart, Sears Amazon, and every other
>retailer is selling cheap stuff from China. And red blooded Americans
>are buying cheap stuff and demanding low prices.

MalWart is the bellwether. All the other Big Box retailers had to
follow suit to remain competetive and in existence! Hence the Rev.
Peyton's Big Damned Band's song "Walmart Killed The Country Store"!

Frontline expose:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../walmart/view/

Music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw64hRgLBqM

Lyrics:
http://www.lyricsvip.com/The-Reveren...re-Lyrics.html


Results: Data from
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

U.S. Trade Imbalance with China (millions of dollars, to China)

Year Amount
1985 6
1986 1664
1987 2796
1988 3489
1989 6234
1990 10431
1991 12591
1992 18309
1993 22777
1994 29505
1995 33789
1996 39520
1997 47695
1998 56927
1999 68677
2000 83833
2001 83096
2002 103064
2003 124068
2004 161938
2005 201544
2006 232548
2007 258506
2008 268040
2009 208688
2010 273063
2011 295422
2012 315053
2013 318417
2014 342632

John Kuthe...

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 11:40:11 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 30/08/2015 12:42 AM, wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 6:37:39 AM UTC-7, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 29/08/2015 11:16 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>>>> On 8/29/15 1:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, he didn't exactly pick the right item to get all patriotic
>>>>>> about, that's for sure. Most all the best coffee grinders are European
>>>>>> made.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a blanket statement. Do you know all the American brands and have
>>>>> you tested them?
>>>>
>>>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
>>>>
>>>> That's why I bought my Ditting.
>>>>
>>>> -- Larry
>>>
>>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Yes. Typically, Europeans drink cheap robusta beans roasted just shy
>> of charcoal.*
>
>That has changed. When I went to buy some of that sort of coffee in a
>French supermarket, they only sold good quality arabica.
>
>Americans drink Arabica beans roasted just enough to
>> bring the full flavor out.
>
>Really? USians used to laugh at the coffee that Brits drank. However,
>when I moved over the pond, I tasted some of the worst coffee ever in US
>diners and restaurants. It took Starbucks to change USians concept of
>good coffee.
>Graham

I was amazed and delighyted when I visisted Costa Rica in 1997 that
everywhere I got fcoffee, it was GOOD coffee! Brewed strong and fine
tasting coffee too! Everywhere in CR! Even road side stands. Not the
"coffee flavored water" I was used to in the U.S.

John Kuthe...

On 8/30/2015 11:52 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:41:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 8/30/2015 12:56 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And We The People are feeding it, by shopping at MalWart!!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>
>> You blame WalMart, but Target K Mart, Sears Amazon, and every other
>> retailer is selling cheap stuff from China. And red blooded Americans
>> are buying cheap stuff and demanding low prices.
>
> MalWart is the bellwether.

WalMart is the whipping post for the simple-minded, which = YOU!

> All the other Big Box retailers had to
> follow suit to remain competetive and in existence!

So you have PROOF Wal Mart was the ONLY one to start outsourcing to China?

Seriously?

BULLSHIT!

http://scm.ncsu.edu/scm-articles/art...of-outsourcing

Since the Industrial Revolution, companies have grappled with how they
can exploit their competitive advantage to increase their markets and
their profits. The model for most of the 20th century was a large
integrated company that can “own, manage, and directly control” its
assets. In the 1950s and 1960s, the rallying cry was diversification to
broaden corporate bases and take advantage of economies of scale. By
diversifying, companies expected to protect profits, even though
expansion required multiple layers of management. Subsequently,
organizations attempting to compete globally in the 1970s and 1980s were
handicapped by a lack of agility that resulted from bloated management
structures. To increase their flexibility and creativity, many large
companies developed a new strategy of focusing on their core business,
which required identifying critical processes and deciding which could
be outsourced.

Initial stages of evolution
Outsourcing was not formally identified as a business strategy until
1989 (Mullin, 1996). However, most organizations were not totally
self-sufficient; they outsourced those functions for which they had no
competency internally. Publishers, for example, have often purchased
composition, printing, and fulfillment services. The use of external
suppliers for these essential but ancillary services might be termed the
baseline stage in the evolution of outsourcing. Outsourcing support
services is the next stage. In the 1990s, as organizations began to
focus more on cost-saving measures, they started to outsource those
functions necessary to run a company but not related specifically to the
core business. Managers contracted with emerging service companies to
deliver accounting, human resources, data processing, internal mail
distribution, security, plant maintenance, and the like as a matter of
“good housekeeping”. Outsourcing components to affect cost savings in
key functions is yet another stage as managers seek to improve their
finances.

Eastman Kodak’s decision to outsource the information technology systems
that undergird its business was considered revolutionary in 1989, but it
was actually the result of rethinking what their business was about.
They were quickly followed by dozens of major corporations whose
managers had determined it was not necessary to own the technology to
get access to information they needed. The focus today is less on
ownership and more on developing strategic partnerships to bring about
enhanced results. Consequently, organizations are likely to select
outsourcing more on the basis of who can deliver more effective results
for a specific function than on whether the function is core or commodity.

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...s-outsourcing/

U.S. multinationals shifted millions of jobs overseas in the 2000s. Data
from the U.S. Department of Commerce showed that “U.S. multinational
corporations, the big brand-name companies that employ a fifth of all
American workers… cut their work forces in the U.S. by 2.9 million
during the 2000s while increasing employment overseas by 2.4 million.”
Furthermore, a recent Wall Street Journal analysis showed, “Thirty-five
big U.S.-based multinational companies added jobs much faster than other
U.S. employers in the past two years, but nearly three-fourths of those
jobs were overseas.”


> Hence the Rev.
> Peyton's Big Damned Band's song "Walmart Killed The Country Store"!

Yes, you seem about stupid enough to let a musician craft your economic
gripes.

On 8/30/2015 11:41 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/30/2015 12:56 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
>>
>> And We The People are feeding it, by shopping at MalWart!!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>
> You blame WalMart, but Target K Mart, Sears Amazon, and every other
> retailer is selling cheap stuff from China. And red blooded Americans
> are buying cheap stuff and demanding low prices.

Cooty is officially now Johnny One-Note.

He is so damned stupid it's becoming painful to read him.

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...s-outsourcing/

U.S. multinationals shifted millions of jobs overseas in the 2000s. Data
from the U.S. Department of Commerce showed that “U.S. multinational
corporations, the big brand-name companies that employ a fifth of all
American workers… cut their work forces in the U.S. by 2.9 million
during the 2000s while increasing employment overseas by 2.4 million.”
Furthermore, a recent Wall Street Journal analysis showed, “Thirty-five
big U.S.-based multinational companies added jobs much faster than other
U.S. employers in the past two years, but nearly three-fourths of those
jobs were overseas.”

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:28:00 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 14:27:35 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:13:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2015-08-29 20:48, wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:38:01 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That case wasn't as frivolous at it first appears to be, I was amazed
>>>>> at how badly burned she was from just a cup of coffee.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, no doubt about it, McDogs did a great job of making her out to
>>>> be a grabber and McDogs the 'poor innocent victim' !!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't doubt that she was badly burned and that she suffered a lot.
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/qacfq7h
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/oclt39f
>>
>>>Sure the coffee was hot. It is a hot drink. It is supposed to be hot,
>>>especially if people are getting it to go and planning to drink it
>>>later. The only reason it spilled on her nether region is that she was
>>>bracing a flimsy container between her legs. Sometimes people have to
>>>take responsibility for their own mistakes.
>>
>>It was about much more than that:
>>http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
>
>Yes, the story sure had legs

*groan*

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:24:20 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-08-30 12:27 AM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:13:59 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-08-29 20:48, wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:38:01 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That case wasn't as frivolous at it first appears to be, I was amazed
>>>>> at how badly burned she was from just a cup of coffee.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, no doubt about it, McDogs did a great job of making her out to
>>>> be a grabber and McDogs the 'poor innocent victim' !!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't doubt that she was badly burned and that she suffered a lot.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/qacfq7h
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/oclt39f
>>
>>> Sure the coffee was hot. It is a hot drink. It is supposed to be hot,
>>> especially if people are getting it to go and planning to drink it
>>> later. The only reason it spilled on her nether region is that she was
>>> bracing a flimsy container between her legs. Sometimes people have to
>>> take responsibility for their own mistakes.
>>
>> It was about much more than that:
>> http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
>
>I have read up on it, but AFAIAC, no one in their right mind holds a hot
>beverage cup between their legs. It is a hot beverage. They are
>supposed to be hot. I can buy McD's argument that people buy the stuff
>to go and plan to eat it elsewhere.

We've come full circle, so the discussion is over for me.

>I have a confession to make. A couple weeks ago I was coming home late
>after a kayak club outing. I stopped and got some tacos. I was going to
>wait until I got home, but that would be 25 minutes, and they smelled
>so good, and I knew they would likely get soggy before I got home. I
>decided to eat them on the go. Sure enough, I slopped hot taco filling
>on myself. I had no one to blame but myself.

Better than having a hot tacho fall into your lap... then you *know*
you have problems...

On 8/30/2015 3:57 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> Sure enough, I slopped hot taco filling
>> >on myself. I had no one to blame but myself.
> Better than having a hot tacho fall into your lap... then you*know*
> you have problems...


WTF is a "tacho"?

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-7, graham wrote:
> On 30/08/2015 12:42 AM, wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 6:37:39 AM UTC-7, Xeno wrote:
> >> On 29/08/2015 11:16 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
> >>> On 8/29/15 1:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Yeah, he didn't exactly pick the right item to get all patriotic
> >>>>> about, that's for sure. Most all the best coffee grinders are European
> >>>>> made.
> >>>>
> >>>> What a blanket statement. Do you know all the American brands and have
> >>>> you tested them?
> >>>
> >>> There is no American-made high-end coffee mill (grinder) made. Period.
> >>>
> >>> That's why I bought my Ditting.
> >>>
> >>> -- Larry
> >>
> >> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
> >>
> >
> > Yes. Typically, Europeans drink cheap robusta beans roasted just shy
> > of charcoal.*
>
> That has changed. When I went to buy some of that sort of coffee in a
> French supermarket, they only sold good quality arabica.
>
> Americans drink Arabica beans roasted just enough to
> > bring the full flavor out.
>
> Really? USians used to laugh at the coffee that Brits drank. However,
> when I moved over the pond, I tasted some of the worst coffee ever in US
> diners and restaurants. It took Starbucks to change USians concept of
> good coffee.

There are always some restaurateurs who hate their patrons. But in my
experience, people who sell bad-tasting coffee start with bad-tasting
water.

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 3:08:00 PM UTC-7, los Golondrinas wrote:
> On 8/30/2015 3:57 PM, Je�us wrote:
> >> Sure enough, I slopped hot taco filling
> >> >on myself. I had no one to blame but myself.
> > Better than having a hot tacho fall into your lap... then you*know*
> > you have problems...
>
>
> WTF is a "tacho"?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sww-82690

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 3:03:06 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...59&oe=5662F673
>
> No mess, just grind as much as I want in a measure and viola!!
>
> I love good old fashioned QUALITY American made products!!
>
> And I especially love NOT SENDING ANY OF MY MONEY TO CHINA!!
>
> John Kuthe...

How OLD is that thing? Used or new?

On 8/30/2015 5:45 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 3:08:00 PM UTC-7, los Golondrinas wrote:
>> On 8/30/2015 3:57 PM, Je�us wrote:
>>>> Sure enough, I slopped hot taco filling
>>>>> on myself. I had no one to blame but myself.
>>> Better than having a hot tacho fall into your lap... then you*know*
>>> you have problems...
>>
>>
>> WTF is a "tacho"?
>
> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sww-82690
>
Lol, nice face. Classic look. I'm tired of Autometer crap anyway.

But I've never had one drop in my lap ;-)

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:39:50 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-7, graham wrote:
> > On 30/08/2015 12:42 AM, wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 6:37:39 AM UTC-7, Xeno wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
> > >>
> > >
> > > Yes. Typically, Europeans drink cheap robusta beans roasted just shy
> > > of charcoal.*
> >
> > That has changed. When I went to buy some of that sort of coffee in a
> > French supermarket, they only sold good quality arabica.
> >
> > Americans drink Arabica beans roasted just enough to
> > > bring the full flavor out.
> >
> > Really? USians used to laugh at the coffee that Brits drank. However,
> > when I moved over the pond, I tasted some of the worst coffee ever in US
> > diners and restaurants. It took Starbucks to change USians concept of
> > good coffee.
>
> There are always some restaurateurs who hate their patrons. But in my
> experience, people who sell bad-tasting coffee start with bad-tasting
> water.

How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
rest of the trip.

--
Elitist Snob

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 9:15:40 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:39:50 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-7, graham wrote:
> > > On 30/08/2015 12:42 AM, wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 6:37:39 AM UTC-7, Xeno wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Yes. Typically, Europeans drink cheap robusta beans roasted just shy
> > > > of charcoal.*
> > >
> > > That has changed. When I went to buy some of that sort of coffee in a
> > > French supermarket, they only sold good quality arabica.
> > >
> > > Americans drink Arabica beans roasted just enough to
> > > > bring the full flavor out.
> > >
> > > Really? USians used to laugh at the coffee that Brits drank. However,
> > > when I moved over the pond, I tasted some of the worst coffee ever in US
> > > diners and restaurants. It took Starbucks to change USians concept of
> > > good coffee.
> >
> > There are always some restaurateurs who hate their patrons. But in my
> > experience, people who sell bad-tasting coffee start with bad-tasting
> > water.
>
> How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
> Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
> in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
> coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
> rest of the trip.
>

Not enough grounds per cup.

But diner coffee was bad even in SF, a half-century ago:
A Great City's People Forced to Drink Swill

http://blog.sfgate.com/thebigevent/2...0-years-later/

On 31/08/2015 2:15 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:39:50 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-7, graham wrote:
>>> On 30/08/2015 12:42 AM, wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 6:37:39 AM UTC-7, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes. Typically, Europeans drink cheap robusta beans roasted just shy
>>>> of charcoal.*
>>>
>>> That has changed. When I went to buy some of that sort of coffee in a
>>> French supermarket, they only sold good quality arabica.
>>>
>>> Americans drink Arabica beans roasted just enough to
>>>> bring the full flavor out.
>>>
>>> Really? USians used to laugh at the coffee that Brits drank. However,
>>> when I moved over the pond, I tasted some of the worst coffee ever in US
>>> diners and restaurants. It took Starbucks to change USians concept of
>>> good coffee.
>>
>> There are always some restaurateurs who hate their patrons. But in my
>> experience, people who sell bad-tasting coffee start with bad-tasting
>> water.
>
> How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
> Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
> in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
> coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
> rest of the trip.
>
I usually bring my own in an Alladin thermos.

--

Xeno

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 22:38:01 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 9:15:40 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:39:50 -0700 (PDT),
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > There are always some restaurateurs who hate their patrons. But in my
> > > experience, people who sell bad-tasting coffee start with bad-tasting
> > > water.
> >
> > How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
> > Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
> > in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
> > coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
> > rest of the trip.
> >
>
> Not enough grounds per cup.
>
> But diner coffee was bad even in SF, a half-century ago:
> A Great City's People Forced to Drink Swill
>
> http://blog.sfgate.com/thebigevent/2...0-years-later/

You don't have to convince me. I remember when Farmer Brothers and
their new fangled drip system was the coffee to look for at better
restaurants.

--
Elitist Snob

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:57:22 +1000, Xeno >
wrote:

> On 31/08/2015 2:15 PM, sf wrote:
> >
> > How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
> > Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
> > in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
> > coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
> > rest of the trip.
> >
> I usually bring my own in an Alladin thermos.

Two weeks worth of coffee in a thermos?

--
Elitist Snob

sf wrote:
>
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:57:22 +1000, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
> > On 31/08/2015 2:15 PM, sf wrote:
> > >
> > > How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
> > > Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
> > > in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
> > > coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
> > > rest of the trip.
> > >
> > I usually bring my own in an Alladin thermos.
>
> Two weeks worth of coffee in a thermos?

No but you could buy some good coffee before you leave on the trip and
bring along a french press and a thermos. Enough to last you for a day
when making it each morning at your motel.

Coffee is no big issue to me EXCEPT first thing in the morning. I only
drink one cup or less a day but I need it almost immediately after
getting up. I switch from french press to even instant sometimes and I
don't really care. Just give me my one cup in the morning and I'm good
for the day. :-D

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:45:17 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:57:22 +1000, Xeno >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 31/08/2015 2:15 PM, sf wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
> > > > Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
> > > > in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
> > > > coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
> > > > rest of the trip.
> > > >
> > > I usually bring my own in an Alladin thermos.
> >
> > Two weeks worth of coffee in a thermos?
>
> No but you could buy some good coffee before you leave on the trip and
> bring along a french press and a thermos. Enough to last you for a day
> when making it each morning at your motel.

You missed that it was a problem of the past, not the present.
>
> Coffee is no big issue to me EXCEPT first thing in the morning. I only
> drink one cup or less a day but I need it almost immediately after
> getting up. I switch from french press to even instant sometimes and I
> don't really care. Just give me my one cup in the morning and I'm good
> for the day. :-D


--
Elitist Snob

On 31/08/2015 10:32 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:57:22 +1000, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 31/08/2015 2:15 PM, sf wrote:
>>>
>>> How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
>>> Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
>>> in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
>>> coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
>>> rest of the trip.
>>>
>> I usually bring my own in an Alladin thermos.
>
> Two weeks worth of coffee in a thermos?
>
I rarely travel for that long, 2 or 3 days pretty much pulls me up.
Anyway, I can "renew" the coffee along the way, depending upon whom we
chance to be visiting.

--

Xeno

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 21:15:34 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:39:50 -0700 (PDT),
>wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-7, graham wrote:
>> > On 30/08/2015 12:42 AM, wrote:
>> > > On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 6:37:39 AM UTC-7, Xeno wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Do Americans even know what "high end coffee" is? ;-)
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > Yes. Typically, Europeans drink cheap robusta beans roasted just shy
>> > > of charcoal.*
>> >
>> > That has changed. When I went to buy some of that sort of coffee in a
>> > French supermarket, they only sold good quality arabica.
>> >
>> > Americans drink Arabica beans roasted just enough to
>> > > bring the full flavor out.
>> >
>> > Really? USians used to laugh at the coffee that Brits drank. However,
>> > when I moved over the pond, I tasted some of the worst coffee ever in US
>> > diners and restaurants. It took Starbucks to change USians concept of
>> > good coffee.
>>
>> There are always some restaurateurs who hate their patrons. But in my
>> experience, people who sell bad-tasting coffee start with bad-tasting
>> water.
>
>How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
>Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
>in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
>coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
>rest of the trip.

I have no idea. I guess people are just dense. It's not hard to make
stronger coffee. You just use more coffee per batch ofd water. DUH!!

John Kuthe...

On 31/08/2015 10:57 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:45:17 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:57:22 +1000, Xeno >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 31/08/2015 2:15 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
>>>>> Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
>>>>> in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
>>>>> coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
>>>>> rest of the trip.
>>>>>
>>>> I usually bring my own in an Alladin thermos.
>>>
>>> Two weeks worth of coffee in a thermos?
>>
>> No but you could buy some good coffee before you leave on the trip and
>> bring along a french press and a thermos. Enough to last you for a day
>> when making it each morning at your motel.
>
> You missed that it was a problem of the past, not the present.

I've had that particular thermos since July 1978 when I was living and
working in Indonesia so it's been around my house for quite some time.
Still in regular use every time I travel. Needs a bit of technique in
order to use it efficiently but a brilliant piece of kit none the less.

It hasn't been a problem in the past for me and I doubt it will be in
the future! ;-)
>>
>> Coffee is no big issue to me EXCEPT first thing in the morning. I only
>> drink one cup or less a day but I need it almost immediately after
>> getting up. I switch from french press to even instant sometimes and I
>> don't really care. Just give me my one cup in the morning and I'm good
>> for the day. :-D
>
>


--

Xeno

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:45:17 -0400, Gary > wrote:


snip
>
>Coffee is no big issue to me EXCEPT first thing in the morning. I only
>drink one cup or less a day but I need it almost immediately after
>getting up.
snip
Just give me my one cup in the morning and I'm good
>for the day. :-D

Me too! When traveling on business I would always order room service
for first thing in the morning. It always bummed me out that the
kitchen didn't deliver until 6:30 a.m.
Janet US

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:34:20 +1000, Xeno >
wrote:

> On 31/08/2015 10:57 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:45:17 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> sf wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:57:22 +1000, Xeno >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 31/08/2015 2:15 PM, sf wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
> >>>>> Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
> >>>>> in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
> >>>>> coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
> >>>>> rest of the trip.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I usually bring my own in an Alladin thermos.
> >>>
> >>> Two weeks worth of coffee in a thermos?
> >>
> >> No but you could buy some good coffee before you leave on the trip and
> >> bring along a french press and a thermos. Enough to last you for a day
> >> when making it each morning at your motel.
> >
> > You missed that it was a problem of the past, not the present.
>
> I've had that particular thermos since July 1978 when I was living and
> working in Indonesia so it's been around my house for quite some time.
> Still in regular use every time I travel. Needs a bit of technique in
> order to use it efficiently but a brilliant piece of kit none the less.
>
> It hasn't been a problem in the past for me and I doubt it will be in
> the future! ;-)
> >>
> >> Coffee is no big issue to me EXCEPT first thing in the morning. I only
> >> drink one cup or less a day but I need it almost immediately after
> >> getting up. I switch from french press to even instant sometimes and I
> >> don't really care. Just give me my one cup in the morning and I'm good
> >> for the day. :-D
> >
> >

When I'm on vacation, I'm really on vacation. If I wanted to cook,
I'd rent a room with a kitchen. Heck, I don't even use those little
coffee makers you find in rooms these days. I would certainly never
lug coffee grounds around with me.

--
Elitist Snob

"sf" > wrote in message
...

> When I'm on vacation, I'm really on vacation. If I wanted to cook,
> I'd rent a room with a kitchen. Heck, I don't even use those little
> coffee makers you find in rooms these days. I would certainly never
> lug coffee grounds around with me.

Only if I was camping. In the not so really old days of close family members
owning an RV lot, we would all take small RV's to different places, I didn't
care much for it to tell you the truth, because just cooking as usual and
keeping the RV clean, teenage children etc., might as well have stayed home
to do it more conveniently. LOL

Cheri

On 8/31/2015 5:04 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:34:20 +1000, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 31/08/2015 10:57 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:45:17 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:57:22 +1000, Xeno >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/08/2015 2:15 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you explain coffee that's more like coffee flavored water?
>>>>>>> Thanks to the proliferation of Starbucks, I haven't run into that one
>>>>>>> in years but I remember dreading road trips because of all the bad
>>>>>>> coffee. After a couple of disappointments, I'd give up coffee for the
>>>>>>> rest of the trip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I usually bring my own in an Alladin thermos.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two weeks worth of coffee in a thermos?
>>>>
>>>> No but you could buy some good coffee before you leave on the trip and
>>>> bring along a french press and a thermos. Enough to last you for a day
>>>> when making it each morning at your motel.
>>>
>>> You missed that it was a problem of the past, not the present.
>>
>> I've had that particular thermos since July 1978 when I was living and
>> working in Indonesia so it's been around my house for quite some time.
>> Still in regular use every time I travel. Needs a bit of technique in
>> order to use it efficiently but a brilliant piece of kit none the less.
>>
>> It hasn't been a problem in the past for me and I doubt it will be in
>> the future! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Coffee is no big issue to me EXCEPT first thing in the morning. I only
>>>> drink one cup or less a day but I need it almost immediately after
>>>> getting up. I switch from french press to even instant sometimes and I
>>>> don't really care. Just give me my one cup in the morning and I'm good
>>>> for the day. :-D
>>>
>>>
>
> When I'm on vacation, I'm really on vacation. If I wanted to cook,
> I'd rent a room with a kitchen. Heck, I don't even use those little
> coffee makers you find in rooms these days. I would certainly never
> lug coffee grounds around with me.
>

I like trying hotel coffee makers. I'm forever searching for one that
doesn't taste half bad - that would be cool. The last one I tried was in
Maui an it tasted like the pre-measured pack was made during the Bush
administration. OTOH, the tourists don't come to Maui to drink hotel
drip coffee maker coffee. My guess is that they came for the Maui
hookers.