gtr wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2015-09-14 03:13:42 +0000, Janet B said:
>
> > > I've stopped apologizing for liking Taco Bell-style tacos, but I
> > > don't pretend they are anything but drive-through junk food.
> > > There oughta be a better name than "Taco Bell-type tacos) for the
> > > crispy-shell seasoned-burger, fake cheese and lettuce variety of
> > > taco. I've had more feasible versions of this in "big plate"
> > > Mexican-ish chain restaurants (e.g. El Torito, El Chico, et al),
> > > where they weren't junk food, just a variation on a "real taco".
> >
> > Years ago, I think it was Taco Bell, had a item that I loved. It
> > was a flour tortilla spread with beans and sour cream folded over a
> > smaller corn tortilla with the regulation ground beef, lettuce,
> > tomato, cheese and sauce. I haven't been in a Taco Bell in a long,
> > long, long time. I think I'll try to make those at home.
>
> I think that's a "gordita" and its folded over a smaller crisp corn
> tortilla to be more accurate. For 10 years I use to do market
> research for their various offerings. At that time, I use to try
> most of them, but then I gave up: The closest TB shop was less than
> 30 yards from a killer mom-and-pop Mexican shop that made TB look
> like a kid in a sandbox. I think I had a gordita somewhere along the
> line. The only thing I eat (usually late at night with a bit of
> extra fuel in the tank), is the tacos supreme and the crunchwrap
> supreme.
>
> I use to love the green burrito at Del Taco. But I don't live near a
> shopt any more, so it's probably been 12 years. That's about the
> full list of my "Mexican associated" fast food interests. Instead I
> get a killer torta, usually milanesa, or regular soft-tortilla tacos
> (carnitas, asada, sometimes fish), from the mom-and-pop joint, Super
> Antojito's Express in Santa Ana. But these are really wholesome and
> delicious meals, not junk food. Junk food--again I make no
> apologies, but I like to state that I understand the differences.

I wouldnt worry. All of us have a few junk fast foods we have liked,
esle the places wouldn't be in business.

I am partial to the green burritos too. I used to work in a Del Taco
before I entered the military. That place really WAS CLEAN unlike most
other fast food places I worked at during those college years.

The worst junk was the Wendys salad bar. Powdered eggs, cooked,
crumbled then frozen for shipment (blurgh).

The Del Taco stuff (at least back then) was real food. Like, at 4am
the morning prep folks start caldrons of dried beans in pressure
cookers, then they are browning real ground beef, draining, then
saucing it. Cheese came in blocks that were grated in a machine.

Dunno about now, but back then it was actually fairly healthy faire as
far as the quality of what was in it.

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Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "la casa del destino" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 9/13/2015 6:53 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:34:18 -0600, Janet B >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:57:20 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > snip
> > > > I love learning all this stuff but eating them
> > > > > would be a different matter. Spicy foods are simply not
> > > > > something we would eat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you very much
> > > > >
> > > > > O
> > > > I don't recall, do you make chili?
> > > > Janet US
> > >
> > > Chili needn't contain hot pepper, I prefer with very little,
> > > guests can add their own.
> > >
> >
> > Then you're really making bean-laced sloppy joes.
>
> Sloppy Joes are sweet.

Depends on the recipe Julie. I don't use the canned sloppy joe sauce
although before they started adding so much sugar to it, we'd do that
once in a while. Probably haven't done that since before 2001.

Now I do it with a 16 oz can of chopped tomatoes with chiles (Rotel
except I use a store brand that is very low sodium), 1/2 a medium onion
chopped, then I add a small can of tomato paste, a small drained can of
black olives, and such spices as we like. Spicing varies but a common
would be 1/2 TB black pepper, 1 TS cumin seeds (broken up a bit), 1/2
TS Nanami Togarashi (spelling wrong but close, a japanese chile powder
mix, any blend of chile powders you like will substitute). Salt added
by eater at the time, to their own tastes.

I like to make one of my mustard breads to go with it. Because I don't
go 'sweet' but instead savory, they match well.

Carol

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Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >"Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >
> >>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > >
> >>>"la casa del destino" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > > > On 9/13/2015 6:53 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:34:18 -0600, Janet B
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:57:20 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > snip
> > > > > > > I love learning all this stuff but eating them
> > > > > > > > would be a different matter. Spicy foods are simply
> > > > > > > > not something we would eat.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you very much
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > O
> > > > > > > I don't recall, do you make chili?
> > > > > > > Janet US
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chili needn't contain hot pepper, I prefer with very
> > > > > > little, guests can add their own.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Then you're really making bean-laced sloppy joes.
> > > >
> > > > Sloppy Joes are sweet.
> > >
> > > Not any I've ever eaten.
> >
> > Really? Even the recipes sound sweet. This is just one but with
> > ketchup and brown sugar in it, how could it not be sweet?
> >
> > http://www.food.com/recipe/sloppy-joes-101475
>
> I make mine non sweet like my mom used to make them, with tomato
> sauce, but no BBQ sauce or ketchup.
>
> Cheri
> >

Same here (except the Mom, she's a lovely woman but can't even boil an
egg right and never tried even canned sloppy joes).

The canned stuff is all sweet and a goodlie number of recipes as well.

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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
\>>> I make mine non sweet like my mom used to make them, with tomato sauce,
>>> but no BBQ sauce or ketchup.
>>
>> The only kind I've ever had were sweet ones.
>
> Yes, I imagine everyone has their own way of making them. I have tasted
> the sweet recipes, but didn't care for them.

I don't like them either.

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:48:49 -0700, gtr > wrote:

>On 2015-09-13 23:42:00 +0000, Jeßus said:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:49:26 -0400, Brooklyn1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> la casa del destino wrote:
>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing is sure, I've never EVER seen
>>>>> any taco made with a flour tortilla.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.refinedguy.com/2012/09/21...ems-taco-bell/
>>>
>>> TACO BELL!
>>> Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .
>>
>> And yet, a nasty supermarket frozen mac and cheese is just dandy,
>> according to you...
>
>Pick your poison...

That are much nicer poisons than that...
I was more pertaining to the hypocrisy than anything else.

Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
> > jinx the minx wrote:
> > >
> > > Tomato sauce, a little paste, seasonings, onions and sometimes
> > > finely diced veggies. Never added sugar. I love sloppy joes,
> > > but can't stand the sweet ones or ones based on barbecue sauce.
> >
> > You are correct too. ground beef with a little tomato paste and some
> > spices. There is NO need to add sugar unless that taste appeals to
> > you.
>
> Do you think, in general, that Americans have a sweeter tooth than
> the Brits?

Grin, no actually I *think* it is about the same, it's just that we
don't sweeten the same things some times.

The traditional sloppy joes cans were a bit sweet even in my youth.
They got worse. Recipes for them got more sweet too as folks used
ketchup or BBQ sauce that showly got sweeter over time and the other
sugar wasn't adjusted downwards to accomodate for that.

Note, some of us are posting the older recipes. There's no ketchup,
sugar, BBQ sauce in those.

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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>> G wrote:
>> > You are correct too. ground beef with a little tomato paste and some
>> > spices. There is NO need to add sugar unless that taste appeals to
>> > you.
>>
>> Do you think, in general, that Americans have a sweeter tooth than the
>> Brits?
>
> Ha. I would never "go there." I don't think a country matters...it's
> all individual tastes, imo, no matter where you live.
>
> For a fairly good example of "sloppy joe's," see if you can buy a can
> of Manwich. Cook some loose ground beef, onions and maybe some
> worchestershire. Drain and add the can of M. Serve on fresh buns. See
> what you think. I like that well enough but as I said....I'll do that
> once every 4-5 years, so no biggie.
>
> G. :-)

And you don't find that sickly sweet? I do.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:39:20 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 8:54:53 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Sloppy Joes are sweet.
>>>>
>>>> Not any I've ever eaten.
>>>
>>> Lucky you. I've been presented with more sickly-sweet sloppy joes
>>> than I really care to contemplate.
>>
>>OTOH I have never been presented with a sloppy joe, sweet or otherwise)
>>
>>Another thing beyond my ken)
>
> Let me guess: crushed ice, chemicals that taste like fruit, stir,
> sell.

Sloppy Joes are sandwiches.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:39:20 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 8:54:53 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > Sloppy Joes are sweet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not any I've ever eaten.
>>>>
>>>> Lucky you. I've been presented with more sickly-sweet sloppy joes
>>>> than I really care to contemplate.
>>>
>>>OTOH I have never been presented with a sloppy joe, sweet or otherwise)
>>>
>>>Another thing beyond my ken)
>>
>> Let me guess: crushed ice, chemicals that taste like fruit, stir,
>> sell.
>
> OH! I thought it was like burgers!!

They're a loose meat sandwich on a burger bun.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Ophelia" wrote:
>> >
>> > "Julie Bove" wrote in message:
>> >> You are making this waaaay too complicated.
>> >
>> > I am very sorry you think so. You forget these things are unknown to
>> > me
>> > and I am interested. If you find it annoying please ignore my posts.
>>
>> I just feel like we have all tried very hard to explain to you what seems
>> like a very simple thing.
>
> Wow. Julie jumps on her #1 supporter. Bad move, imo.

I didn't jump on anyone. I just couldn't understand how she was making this
so complicated.

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Ophelia wrote:
>
> > G wrote:
> > > You are correct too. ground beef with a little tomato paste and
> > > some spices. There is NO need to add sugar unless that taste
> > > appeals to you.
> >
> > Do you think, in general, that Americans have a sweeter tooth than
> > the Brits?
>
> Ha. I would never "go there." I don't think a country matters...it's
> all individual tastes, imo, no matter where you live.
>
> For a fairly good example of "sloppy joe's," see if you can buy a can
> of Manwich. Cook some loose ground beef, onions and maybe some
> worchestershire. Drain and add the can of M. Serve on fresh buns. See
> what you think. I like that well enough but as I said....I'll do that
> once every 4-5 years, so no biggie.
>
> G. :-)

Grin, proportions! Ophelia, the last time i noted one of those cans,
it was a match to about 1 KG cooked ground beef. Scratching head, I
think a room mate made some of that for us once? I was hungry and it
wasn't bad at all. Dunno if it's got more sweet since then.

Carol

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On 2015-09-14 22:38:47 +0000, Jeßus said:

> On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:48:49 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-09-13 23:42:00 +0000, Jeßus said:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:49:26 -0400, Brooklyn1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> la casa del destino wrote:
>>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing is sure, I've never EVER seen
>>>>>> any taco made with a flour tortilla.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.refinedguy.com/2012/09/21...ems-taco-bell/
>>>>
>>>> TACO BELL!
>>>> Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .
>>>
>>> And yet, a nasty supermarket frozen mac and cheese is just dandy,
>>> according to you...
>>
>> Pick your poison...
>
> That are much nicer poisons than that...
> I was more pertaining to the hypocrisy than anything else.

Oh I knew that. But really about "pick your poison"; I state upstream
that I no longer apolgize for liking (some) Taco Bell dishes, and
that's true. On the other hand there *are* guilty pleasures I just
don't admit. And right here would be a good place to not admit them!

On 2015-09-14 22:43:20 +0000, Julie Bove said:

> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> G wrote:
>>>> You are correct too. ground beef with a little tomato paste and some
>>>> spices. There is NO need to add sugar unless that taste appeals to
>>>> you.
>>>
>>> Do you think, in general, that Americans have a sweeter tooth than the
>>> Brits?
>>
>> Ha. I would never "go there." I don't think a country matters...it's
>> all individual tastes, imo, no matter where you live.
>>
>> For a fairly good example of "sloppy joe's," see if you can buy a can
>> of Manwich. Cook some loose ground beef, onions and maybe some
>> worchestershire. Drain and add the can of M. Serve on fresh buns. See
>> what you think. I like that well enough but as I said....I'll do that
>> once every 4-5 years, so no biggie.
>>
>> G. :-)
>
> And you don't find that sickly sweet? I do.

Hmm. I don't think my mother every made sloppy joe's, neither
home-made nor can-made. She made chipped beef on toast, which I loved.
And following this line of thought, I know I've never made or Sloppy
Joe's nor had them made for me at home. Once, and only once, I think I
had them at a friends house. Elementary school. Circa ~1961.

I guess I've always though it was like a thin chili, and made no sense
to make it that thin.

On 9/14/2015 12:43 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> G wrote:
>>> > You are correct too. ground beef with a little tomato paste and some
>>> > spices. There is NO need to add sugar unless that taste appeals to
>>> > you.
>>>
>>> Do you think, in general, that Americans have a sweeter tooth than the
>>> Brits?
>>
>> Ha. I would never "go there." I don't think a country matters...it's
>> all individual tastes, imo, no matter where you live.
>>
>> For a fairly good example of "sloppy joe's," see if you can buy a can
>> of Manwich. Cook some loose ground beef, onions and maybe some
>> worchestershire. Drain and add the can of M. Serve on fresh buns. See
>> what you think. I like that well enough but as I said....I'll do that
>> once every 4-5 years, so no biggie.
>>
>> G. :-)
>
> And you don't find that sickly sweet? I do.

Kids love those sloppy Joes. I don't see any particular reason why an
adult would go bonkers over them now. OTOH, I'd eat one now because I'm
pretty darn hungry right now. That would make me pretty damn happy but I
have no way to get my mitts on a sloppy Joe except by making it myself
and that's just not going to happen. OTOH, I'd pretty much eat anything
put before me. Hee hee.

Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 8:54:53 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
> >
> >>> Sloppy Joes are sweet.
> > >
> > > Not any I've ever eaten.
> >
> > Lucky you. I've been presented with more sickly-sweet sloppy joes
> > than I really care to contemplate.
>
> OTOH I have never been presented with a sloppy joe, sweet or
> otherwise)
>
> Another thing beyond my ken)

Grin, you get them on ships in the Navy too from time to time. They
vary from sweet to savory depending on the cook.

Carol

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Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:05:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> > Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> "Ophelia" wrote:
> >> >OTOH I have never been presented with a sloppy joe, sweet or
> otherwise) >> >Another thing beyond my ken)
> >>
> >> Let me guess: crushed ice, chemicals that taste like fruit, stir,
> >> sell.
> >
> > What the hell?
>
> Wrong?

Totally (grin).



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On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 15:49:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" wrote:
>>> >
>>> > "Julie Bove" wrote in message:
>>> >> You are making this waaaay too complicated.
>>> >
>>> > I am very sorry you think so. You forget these things are unknown to
>>> > me
>>> > and I am interested. If you find it annoying please ignore my posts.
>>>
>>> I just feel like we have all tried very hard to explain to you what seems
>>> like a very simple thing.
>>
>> Wow. Julie jumps on her #1 supporter. Bad move, imo.
>
>I didn't jump on anyone. I just couldn't understand how she was making this
>so complicated.

Hehehe... nice work there

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > OTOH I have never been presented with a sloppy joe, sweet or
> > otherwise) Another thing beyond my ken)
>
> I like them enough to make a small batch maybe once every 4-5 years
> but that's all. "Manwich" is a pretty good commercial version...fry up
> about 1.5lbs ground beef with some onions and some worchestershire
> sauce, add a can of Manwich and serve on soft buns along with potato
> chips.

Grin, I'd use 2 lbs beef (1kg) or she might get a bit too much of a
reminder on why we call them SLOPPY joes...

Carol

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Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ophelia wrote:
> > >
> > > OTOH I have never been presented with a sloppy joe, sweet or
> > > otherwise) Another thing beyond my ken)
> >
> > I like them enough to make a small batch maybe once every 4-5 years
> > but that's all. "Manwich" is a pretty good commercial version...fry
> > up about 1.5lbs ground beef with some onions and some
> > worchestershire sauce, add a can of Manwich and serve on soft buns
> > along with potato chips.
>
> Heh I thought it was something to do with beef))) Manwich?

Grin, marketed brand name of a sloppy joes canned sauce.

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On 9/13/2015 1:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> Sheldon I am interested in most types of cooking which is why I ask the
> questions. No one is forced to respond.
>
> Thanks for you opinion on them though.

To make it even more confusing, I like my tacos done quesadilla style
with soft corn tortillas fried to crispy with a bottom and a top, the
filling in the middle. Messy but yummy.

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ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On 9/14/2015 4:46 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:39:20 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 8:54:53 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > Sloppy Joes are sweet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not any I've ever eaten.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lucky you. I've been presented with more sickly-sweet sloppy joes
>>>>> than I really care to contemplate.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH I have never been presented with a sloppy joe, sweet or
>>>> otherwise)
>>>>
>>>> Another thing beyond my ken)
>>>
>>> Let me guess: crushed ice, chemicals that taste like fruit, stir,
>>> sell.
>>
>> OH! I thought it was like burgers!!
>
> They're a loose meat sandwich on a burger bun.

They are, but there is also another variation from the midwest:

http://www.maid-rite.com/

The Original Maid-Rite
The one and only — a perfectly seasoned ground beef loose meat sandwich
served on a warm bun

"gtr" > wrote in message news:2015091415543213619-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2015-09-14 22:43:20 +0000, Julie Bove said:
>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> G wrote:
>>>>> You are correct too. ground beef with a little tomato paste and some
>>>>> spices. There is NO need to add sugar unless that taste appeals to
>>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think, in general, that Americans have a sweeter tooth than the
>>>> Brits?
>>>
>>> Ha. I would never "go there." I don't think a country matters...it's
>>> all individual tastes, imo, no matter where you live.
>>>
>>> For a fairly good example of "sloppy joe's," see if you can buy a can
>>> of Manwich. Cook some loose ground beef, onions and maybe some
>>> worchestershire. Drain and add the can of M. Serve on fresh buns. See
>>> what you think. I like that well enough but as I said....I'll do that
>>> once every 4-5 years, so no biggie.
>>>
>>> G. :-)
>>
>> And you don't find that sickly sweet? I do.
>
> Hmm. I don't think my mother every made sloppy joe's, neither home-made
> nor can-made. She made chipped beef on toast, which I loved. And
> following this line of thought, I know I've never made or Sloppy Joe's nor
> had them made for me at home. Once, and only once, I think I had them at
> a friends house. Elementary school. Circa ~1961.
>
> I guess I've always though it was like a thin chili, and made no sense to
> make it that thin.

I don't think my mom ever made them either. Most likely because of the bun.
We rarely ate things with buns or bread. I did make them using a recipe in
one of my cookbooks. Nobody liked them. We also made them in Home Ec
class. Then when we discovered Manwich, we had a coupon and were eager to
try the stuff. All of us thought you could just open the can, heat, put on
buns and eat. Imagine our displeasure when we discovered that you had to
buy and cook the beef. To this day I don't understand why they don't make
it that way.

On 9/14/2015 5:22 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 9/13/2015 1:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> Sheldon I am interested in most types of cooking which is why I ask the
>> questions. No one is forced to respond.
>>
>> Thanks for you opinion on them though.
>
> To make it even more confusing, I like my tacos done quesadilla style
> with soft corn tortillas fried to crispy with a bottom and a top, the
> filling in the middle. Messy but yummy.
>

You're referring I believe to the classic stacked enchilada:

http://diazfarms.com/recipes/20-stac...ese-enchiladas

Stacked red chile cheese enchiladas with a fried egg is something you'll
only find in New Mexico. Perfect for any meal of the day and guaranteed
to set your taste buds on fire! You'll finish this dish with your panza
llena y corazon contento (stomach full and your heart content).

Directions

Each serving will contain 3 corn tortillas.

Preheat oven to 350 degrees fahrenheit.
Take one tortilla and dip it quickly in hot oil to make soft.
Now that it is softened take your tortilla and dip it in your New Mexico
Red Chile Sauce and put it on a plate
Top with cheese, onion and more red chile sauce.
Repeat steps 2-4 two more times and stack your tortillas.
Add more red chile sauce, cheese and onions to your liking.
Heat in oven until cheese melts.
Top with a fried egg.
Garnish with lettuce and tomato.
To complete this authentic enchilada dish serve with pinto beans and rice.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 9/13/2015 1:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> Sheldon I am interested in most types of cooking which is why I ask the
>> questions. No one is forced to respond.
>>
>> Thanks for you opinion on them though.
>
> To make it even more confusing, I like my tacos done quesadilla style with
> soft corn tortillas fried to crispy with a bottom and a top, the filling
> in the middle. Messy but yummy.

I like that kind.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 15:50:59 -0700, gtr > wrote:

>On 2015-09-14 22:38:47 +0000, Jeßus said:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:48:49 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-09-13 23:42:00 +0000, Jeßus said:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:49:26 -0400, Brooklyn1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> la casa del destino wrote:
>>>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One thing is sure, I've never EVER seen
>>>>>>> any taco made with a flour tortilla.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.refinedguy.com/2012/09/21...ems-taco-bell/
>>>>>
>>>>> TACO BELL!
>>>>> Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .
>>>>
>>>> And yet, a nasty supermarket frozen mac and cheese is just dandy,
>>>> according to you...
>>>
>>> Pick your poison...
>>
>> That are much nicer poisons than that...
>> I was more pertaining to the hypocrisy than anything else.
>
>Oh I knew that. But really about "pick your poison"; I state upstream
>that I no longer apolgize for liking (some) Taco Bell dishes, and
>that's true. On the other hand there *are* guilty pleasures I just
>don't admit. And right here would be a good place to not admit them!

No, probably not the best place for it <G>.

Thinking about what some of mine would be... I do like decent fish and
chips, and pies - as in scallop or chicken and Camembert pies - *that*
sort of pie. Oh, and pizza... but none from the franchises. Yeah, I
guess I'm fairly picky in that regard and not a fan of the
mass-produced food, be it from the supermarket or drive through.

There is one I just thought of - Nandos. Alas, no stores here, only on
the mainland. Pretty damned decent fast food though, mostly chicken:
http://www.nandos.com.au/ They are an international chain/franchise.

On 9/12/2015 8:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> I made some pizza last night in the toaster oven. Boy that was tasty!
> Who would guess you could cook a pizza in one of those. Not I! I've used
> it to cook frozen pizzas but a fresh one works just dandy. I cooked it
> at the highest setting for around 17 minutes. No preheating necessary!

My toaster oven was designed for pizzas. The back of it has a rounded
out part so that a full 12" pizza will fit.

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On 9/11/2015 7:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 22:01:41 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:42:49 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I finally got around to buying some of those molds for baking taco
>>>>> salad
>>>>> shells from tortillas. But... They came with no instructions. I
>>>>> just
>>>>> winged it. Softened the flour tortillas slightly in the microwave.
>>>>> Attempted to fit them into the molds. Maybe needed to soften them
>>>>> a tiny
>>>>> bit more as they didn't entirely conform but the end result as far as
>>>>> shape
>>>>> was fine. They worked. But... They didn't crisp up!
>>>>
>>>> Of course not. They're supposed to be fried to crisp up. The only
>>>> thing you can do in the oven is dehydrate them, but you won't like the
>>>> texture. Sure, you can dredge them in oil and then bake, but the
>>>> texture will still not be what you get in restaurants.
>>>>
>>>> What did you find out when you searched the web for how to use those
>>>> molds to make salad bowls?
>>>
>>> I didn't look online. I've been busy.
>>
>> But it's taking you at least 15 minutes half hour to post and read
>> the responses here. It took me 15 SECONDS to identify several
>> articles on the web that applied to your molds.
>>
>> Time must pass differently at your house.
>
> I foolishly assumed that someone here might have the molds and knew how
> to use them.

You can form your own "taco shell" bowl with tortillas a little oil and
a 12 muffin muffin tin, inverted.

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On 2015-09-14, cshenk > wrote:

> ....marketed brand name of a sloppy joes canned sauce.

Which is, no doubt, the same canned SJ sauce I loved as a kid in our
grade school cafeteria. I still get a craving for 'em, now and then,
but don't indulge too often.

nb

"Eyes N Hood" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/14/2015 4:46 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:39:20 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 8:54:53 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Sloppy Joes are sweet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not any I've ever eaten.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lucky you. I've been presented with more sickly-sweet sloppy joes
>>>>>> than I really care to contemplate.
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH I have never been presented with a sloppy joe, sweet or
>>>>> otherwise)
>>>>>
>>>>> Another thing beyond my ken)
>>>>
>>>> Let me guess: crushed ice, chemicals that taste like fruit, stir,
>>>> sell.
>>>
>>> OH! I thought it was like burgers!!
>>
>> They're a loose meat sandwich on a burger bun.
>
> They are, but there is also another variation from the midwest:
>
> http://www.maid-rite.com/
>
> The Original Maid-Rite
> The one and only — a perfectly seasoned ground beef loose meat sandwich
> served on a warm bun

Nope. I grew up on Nuways.

"Eyes N Hood" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/14/2015 5:22 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 9/13/2015 1:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> Sheldon I am interested in most types of cooking which is why I ask the
>>> questions. No one is forced to respond.
>>>
>>> Thanks for you opinion on them though.
>>
>> To make it even more confusing, I like my tacos done quesadilla style
>> with soft corn tortillas fried to crispy with a bottom and a top, the
>> filling in the middle. Messy but yummy.
>>
>
> You're referring I believe to the classic stacked enchilada:
>
> http://diazfarms.com/recipes/20-stac...ese-enchiladas
>
> Stacked red chile cheese enchiladas with a fried egg is something you'll
> only find in New Mexico. Perfect for any meal of the day and guaranteed to
> set your taste buds on fire! You'll finish this dish with your panza llena
> y corazon contento (stomach full and your heart content).
>
> Directions
>
> Each serving will contain 3 corn tortillas.
>
> Preheat oven to 350 degrees fahrenheit.
> Take one tortilla and dip it quickly in hot oil to make soft.
> Now that it is softened take your tortilla and dip it in your New Mexico
> Red Chile Sauce and put it on a plate
> Top with cheese, onion and more red chile sauce.
> Repeat steps 2-4 two more times and stack your tortillas.
> Add more red chile sauce, cheese and onions to your liking.
> Heat in oven until cheese melts.
> Top with a fried egg.
> Garnish with lettuce and tomato.
> To complete this authentic enchilada dish serve with pinto beans and rice.

No. We had places here in the past that did the tacos like she said. Don't
know of any now that do though.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 9/11/2015 7:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 22:01:41 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:42:49 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I finally got around to buying some of those molds for baking taco
>>>>>> salad
>>>>>> shells from tortillas. But... They came with no instructions. I
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> winged it. Softened the flour tortillas slightly in the microwave.
>>>>>> Attempted to fit them into the molds. Maybe needed to soften them
>>>>>> a tiny
>>>>>> bit more as they didn't entirely conform but the end result as far as
>>>>>> shape
>>>>>> was fine. They worked. But... They didn't crisp up!
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not. They're supposed to be fried to crisp up. The only
>>>>> thing you can do in the oven is dehydrate them, but you won't like the
>>>>> texture. Sure, you can dredge them in oil and then bake, but the
>>>>> texture will still not be what you get in restaurants.
>>>>>
>>>>> What did you find out when you searched the web for how to use those
>>>>> molds to make salad bowls?
>>>>
>>>> I didn't look online. I've been busy.
>>>
>>> But it's taking you at least 15 minutes half hour to post and read
>>> the responses here. It took me 15 SECONDS to identify several
>>> articles on the web that applied to your molds.
>>>
>>> Time must pass differently at your house.
>>
>> I foolishly assumed that someone here might have the molds and knew how
>> to use them.
>
> You can form your own "taco shell" bowl with tortillas a little oil and a
> 12 muffin muffin tin, inverted.

Yes but they would be small and not the shape that I wanted.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-09-14, cshenk > wrote:
>
>> ....marketed brand name of a sloppy joes canned sauce.
>
> Which is, no doubt, the same canned SJ sauce I loved as a kid in our
> grade school cafeteria. I still get a craving for 'em, now and then,
> but don't indulge too often.
>

We never had them. We did have something called Barbecued Beef on Buttered
Bun. We kids referred to it as Barbecued Barf on Buttered Bean. For some
reason they always served it with green beans. And those buns were not
buttered. I did work in the cafeteria.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 9/13/2015 1:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> Sheldon I am interested in most types of cooking which is why I ask the
>> questions. No one is forced to respond.
>>
>> Thanks for you opinion on them though.
>
> To make it even more confusing, I like my tacos done quesadilla style with
> soft corn tortillas fried to crispy with a bottom and a top, the filling
> in the middle. Messy but yummy.
>

Oh man!!!! You've done it now!!!!!

What is ... nooo don't answer that!!!

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On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 6:54:36 PM UTC-4, gtr wrote:

> Hmm. I don't think my mother every made sloppy joe's, neither
> home-made nor can-made. She made chipped beef on toast, which I loved.
> And following this line of thought, I know I've never made or Sloppy
> Joe's nor had them made for me at home. Once, and only once, I think I
> had them at a friends house. Elementary school. Circa ~1961.
>
> I guess I've always though it was like a thin chili, and made no sense
> to make it that thin.

It's a way to stretch meat as far as possible. Food used to cost
a higher percentage of the average paycheck, so people were endlessly
inventive about making meat go as far as possible. Now, not so much.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 7:22:44 PM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:

> To make it even more confusing, I like my tacos done quesadilla style
> with soft corn tortillas fried to crispy with a bottom and a top, the
> filling in the middle. Messy but yummy.

I like my quesadillas taco style, folded in half. Usually flour
tortillas, but sometimes with corn tortillas instead. Not crispy.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 7:34:44 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:

> I don't think my mom ever made them either. Most likely because of the bun.
> We rarely ate things with buns or bread. I did make them using a recipe in
> one of my cookbooks. Nobody liked them. We also made them in Home Ec
> class. Then when we discovered Manwich, we had a coupon and were eager to
> try the stuff. All of us thought you could just open the can, heat, put on
> buns and eat. Imagine our displeasure when we discovered that you had to
> buy and cook the beef. To this day I don't understand why they don't make
> it that way.

Quite a lot of convenience foods require some preparation on the part
of the homemaker, so that she feels as if she's actually cooking. Cake
mixes require eggs and oil for this reason, although there's nothing
to stop those ingredients from being included in the mix. If memory
serves, the first cake mixes were "just add water", but didn't sell
well until their preparation became a bit more complex.

In the case of Manwich, perhaps customers feel better about buying
and cooking their own meat, rather than being left to wonder what
it is that they're getting in the can.

Cindy Hamilton

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 6:54:36 PM UTC-4, gtr wrote:

> Hmm. I don't think my mother every made sloppy joe's, neither
> home-made nor can-made. She made chipped beef on toast, which I loved.
> And following this line of thought, I know I've never made or Sloppy
> Joe's nor had them made for me at home. Once, and only once, I think I
> had them at a friends house. Elementary school. Circa ~1961.
>
> I guess I've always though it was like a thin chili, and made no sense
> to make it that thin.

It's a way to stretch meat as far as possible. Food used to cost
a higher percentage of the average paycheck, so people were endlessly
inventive about making meat go as far as possible. Now, not so much.

=====

Of course. That is where our shepherds/cottage pie etc came from.


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On 9/13/2015 8:54 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "la casa del destino" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 9/13/2015 6:53 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:34:18 -0600, Janet B >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:57:20 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> snip
>>>>> I love learning all this stuff but eating them
>>>>>> would be a different matter. Spicy foods are simply not something
>>>>>> we would
>>>>>> eat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you very much
>>>>>>
>>>>>> O
>>>>> I don't recall, do you make chili?
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>> Chili needn't contain hot pepper, I prefer with very little, guests
>>>> can add their own.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then you're really making bean-laced sloppy joes.
>>
>> Sloppy Joes are sweet.
>
> Not any I've ever eaten.
>
> Cheri
>
Nor I. I suppose that canned Manwich sloppy joe sauce might be sweet.
I don't know; I don't buy that stuff.

Jill

On 9/14/2015 9:51 AM, jinx the minx wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>
>>> My recipe (also from my mom) isn't sweet either. It does not contain BBQ
>>> sauce, ketchup, or brown sugar.
>>
>> Then what is in it? I remember making it as a kid. I think it had
>> tomato sauce or paste, peppers, probably onions and a lot of sugar.
>
> Tomato sauce, a little paste, seasonings, onions and sometimes finely diced
> veggies. Never added sugar. I love sloppy joes, but can't stand the
> sweet ones or ones based on barbecue sauce.
>
Ditto. Tomato sauce & paste, seasoned to taste (chili powder*). Ground
beef cooked with diced onions (maybe bell peppers) and garlic. Drain
the beef before adding to the sauce!

Absolutely no sugar or BBQ sauce. It would never occur to me to make
sloppy joes with sugar or BBQ sauce.

*If you don't want to use commercial chili powder, easy enough to make
your own. Here's but one example:

http://www.food.com/recipe/chili-powder-16892

Jill

On 9/14/2015 7:34 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I don't think my mom ever made them either. Most likely because of the
> bun. We rarely ate things with buns or bread. I did make them using a
> recipe in one of my cookbooks. Nobody liked them. We also made them in
> Home Ec class. Then when we discovered Manwich, we had a coupon and
> were eager to try the stuff. All of us thought you could just open the
> can, heat, put on buns and eat. Imagine our displeasure when we
> discovered that you had to buy and cook the beef. To this day I don't
> understand why they don't make it that way.

You want them to put ground beef in cans of Manwich? Ugh!

Jill