On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:10:30 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:59:52 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:32:58 -0600, Janet B >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 20:57:03 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>snip
>>>>
>>>>I planted bulbs today but all in the daffodil/narcissus variety.
>>>>Learned years ago that deer love tulips and I have no desire to
>>>>encourage the deer to cross the road to get to the flower bed I am
>>>>doing.
>>>
>>>So thoughtful of you to keep their safety in mind
>>>Janet US
>>
>>I realise they can be pests but here they are coming off starvation
>>type winters, they just do what they have to in order to eat.
>
>In my area it has been too dry to provide forage up in the hills and
>mountains. The animals come down to where there is water and food.
>Then they become habituated. The deer in my neighborhood have taken
>up residence along the creek. The one buck goes upstream past my
>house everyday, crosses the court and enters the backyard of a
>neighbor where he dozes all day. Generally he is a polite neighbor.
>He's safe here. Once they leave this area of dead end streets they
>become traffic casualties.
>Janet US

It's sad when that happens, they never have streets sense. Bears can
be the same when they emerge from hibernation.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:39:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:56:46 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:34:02 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:45:22 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>
>>>>He tried the old method of tying bags of hair around the garden, waste
>>>>of time, however going out at night and peeing in the garden did work,
>>>>I suppose an unfamiliar scent threw them. I had some nice hostas that
>>>>always had to recover from a good nibbling in the spring, a local man
>>>>told me 'We call them deer lettuce' -
>>>
>>>They LOVE hostas. Yews, too, for some reason.
>>
>>they love arbor vitae as well. Around here, folks wrap the bottoms of
>>vulnerable shrubs in chicken wire.
>>Janet US
>
>Ha! They never touch arborvitae here! How odd.

Ooops, never say never, the deer might hear you

On 14/10/2015 6:04 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:46:47 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>
>>> OH, did I tell you I have two fruits on the kefir lime?
>>>
>> I once tried overwintering French tarragon. However, perhaps because it
>> benefits from a seasonal die-back, it didn't thrive that well. It's a
>> pity because during the summer when I have huge "bushes" of it, the
>> weather is too warm to roast chickens stuffed with it.
>
> It is true, oh, so true.
>
I've just frozen several "handful" bunches of sprigs to use when I roast
chicken.
I submerged the bunches in water in ziplock bags. If they work well,
I'll try and freeze early season bunches next year.
I've seen fresh tarragon in the supermarkets during the winter but when
I surreptitiously squeeze a leaf from the packet, there is often no
aroma of anise. I suspect that some is the Russian variety that is
tasteless.
Graham

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-10-15 12:10 PM, Janet B wrote:
>
>> In my area it has been too dry to provide forage up in the hills and
>> mountains. The animals come down to where there is water and food.
>> Then they become habituated. The deer in my neighborhood have taken
>> up residence along the creek. The one buck goes upstream past my
>> house everyday, crosses the court and enters the backyard of a
>> neighbor where he dozes all day. Generally he is a polite neighbor.
>> He's safe here. Once they leave this area of dead end streets they
>> become traffic casualties.
>>
>
>When I was in Pacific Grove last month there were deer roaming through
>the parking lot at hour hotel and they were in the parks and cemeteries.
>When we were driving along the coast I saw a man walking a German
>Shepherd. There were more than a dozen deer nearby and two of them kept
>teasing the dog.
>
>When we left there were stopped at the Elkhorn Slough and there were
>signs up warning of mountain lion sightings and they suggested that
>people not hike alone there.

Huh? Are they worried one human wouldn't be enough to feed the entire
pride? That's gotta be the silliest sign, if true. Mountain lions
are the kings of ambush... when one drops out of a tree onto your head
you'll never know a mountain lion just snapped your neck and ended
your life... what's the second person supposed to do, out run a
mountain lion... duh.

On 10/15/2015 1:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>> the morning.
>
> That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>
We may start having similar problems, if plans to introduce lynx,
wolves, boars, and bears in the Highlands, go ahead.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:58:11 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Janet B" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2015-10-15 12:10 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>
>>>> In my area it has been too dry to provide forage up in the hills and
>>>> mountains. The animals come down to where there is water and food.
>>>> Then they become habituated. The deer in my neighborhood have taken
>>>> up residence along the creek. The one buck goes upstream past my
>>>> house everyday, crosses the court and enters the backyard of a
>>>> neighbor where he dozes all day. Generally he is a polite neighbor.
>>>> He's safe here. Once they leave this area of dead end streets they
>>>> become traffic casualties.
>>>>
>>>
>>>When I was in Pacific Grove last month there were deer roaming through
>>>the parking lot at hour hotel and they were in the parks and cemeteries.
>>>When we were driving along the coast I saw a man walking a German
>>>Shepherd. There were more than a dozen deer nearby and two of them kept
>>>teasing the dog.
>>>
>>>When we left there were stopped at the Elkhorn Slough and there were
>>>signs up warning of mountain lion sightings and they suggested that
>>>people not hike alone there.
>>>
>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>> the morning.
>
>That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???

In my state of Idaho, but I know similar happens in all the states out
here in the west. We have mountains, low population density for much
of the terrain, and a variety of large mammals. When the deer and
elk (your moose, I believe) come down into the valleys for food and
water, the predators follow. I haven't seen a mountain lion or
mountain lion footprints in my neighborhood but they have been seen
near here. I have seen coyote and fox go through the neighborhood on
a regular basis. My city is the capitol city of my state, so we are
not exactly primitive. However, as the city grows it begins to climb
the foothills in one direction and encroach on the desert to the
south. With that intrusion you have got to expect to find rattle
snakes, and other wildlife using your neighborhood. On the other
hand, we also have ducks, geese, turkeys, pheasant, quail and other
game birds. Thankfully the skunks have stopped visiting here.
>http://tinyurl.com/oxmmppj
Janet US

On 2015-10-15 3:28 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-10-15 12:10 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>
>>> In my area it has been too dry to provide forage up in the hills and
>>> mountains. The animals come down to where there is water and food.
>>> Then they become habituated. The deer in my neighborhood have taken
>>> up residence along the creek. The one buck goes upstream past my
>>> house everyday, crosses the court and enters the backyard of a
>>> neighbor where he dozes all day. Generally he is a polite neighbor.
>>> He's safe here. Once they leave this area of dead end streets they
>>> become traffic casualties.
>>>
>>
>> When I was in Pacific Grove last month there were deer roaming through
>> the parking lot at hour hotel and they were in the parks and cemeteries.
>> When we were driving along the coast I saw a man walking a German
>> Shepherd. There were more than a dozen deer nearby and two of them kept
>> teasing the dog.
>>
>> When we left there were stopped at the Elkhorn Slough and there were
>> signs up warning of mountain lion sightings and they suggested that
>> people not hike alone there.
>
> Huh? Are they worried one human wouldn't be enough to feed the entire
> pride? That's gotta be the silliest sign, if true. Mountain lions
> are the kings of ambush... when one drops out of a tree onto your head
> you'll never know a mountain lion just snapped your neck and ended
> your life... what's the second person supposed to do, out run a
> mountain lion... duh.

There weren't trees big enough for a mountain lion to pounce down from
in that park, at least not in the part of it we were in.



FWIW.....
Here is a snippet from a Trip Advisor review

http://www.tripadvisor.ca/ShowUserRe...alifornia.html

" We saw a Turkey vulture and some ducks and animal tracks. Heard some
tree frogs and a bullfrog and came across a sign warning that a mountain
lion had been sighted and what to do if you run into one."

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:39:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:56:46 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:34:02 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:45:22 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>
>>>>He tried the old method of tying bags of hair around the garden, waste
>>>>of time, however going out at night and peeing in the garden did work,
>>>>I suppose an unfamiliar scent threw them. I had some nice hostas that
>>>>always had to recover from a good nibbling in the spring, a local man
>>>>told me 'We call them deer lettuce' -
>>>
>>>They LOVE hostas. Yews, too, for some reason.
>>
>>they love arbor vitae as well. Around here, folks wrap the bottoms of
>>vulnerable shrubs in chicken wire.
>>Janet US
>
>Ha! They never touch arborvitae here! How odd.

this is a food group -- we are all diverse in our tastes
Janet US

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:32:47 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 10/15/2015 1:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>> the morning.
>>
>> That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>>
>We may start having similar problems, if plans to introduce lynx,
>wolves, boars, and bears in the Highlands, go ahead.

are there or were there never any large predators in the Highlands?
Janet US

On 2015-10-15 4:05 PM, Janet B wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:32:47 -0400, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>> On 10/15/2015 1:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>>> the morning.
>>>
>>> That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>>>
>> We may start having similar problems, if plans to introduce lynx,
>> wolves, boars, and bears in the Highlands, go ahead.
>
> are there or were there never any large predators in the Highlands?

Just the English ;-)

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:58:29 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:58:11 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2015-10-15 12:10 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In my area it has been too dry to provide forage up in the hills and
>>>>> mountains. The animals come down to where there is water and food.
>>>>> Then they become habituated. The deer in my neighborhood have taken
>>>>> up residence along the creek. The one buck goes upstream past my
>>>>> house everyday, crosses the court and enters the backyard of a
>>>>> neighbor where he dozes all day. Generally he is a polite neighbor.
>>>>> He's safe here. Once they leave this area of dead end streets they
>>>>> become traffic casualties.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>When I was in Pacific Grove last month there were deer roaming through
>>>>the parking lot at hour hotel and they were in the parks and cemeteries.
>>>>When we were driving along the coast I saw a man walking a German
>>>>Shepherd. There were more than a dozen deer nearby and two of them kept
>>>>teasing the dog.
>>>>
>>>>When we left there were stopped at the Elkhorn Slough and there were
>>>>signs up warning of mountain lion sightings and they suggested that
>>>>people not hike alone there.
>>>>
>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>> the morning.
>>
>>That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>
>In my state of Idaho, but I know similar happens in all the states out
>here in the west. We have mountains, low population density for much
>of the terrain, and a variety of large mammals. When the deer and
>elk (your moose, I believe) come down into the valleys for food and
>water, the predators follow. I haven't seen a mountain lion or
>mountain lion footprints in my neighborhood but they have been seen
>near here. I have seen coyote and fox go through the neighborhood on
>a regular basis. My city is the capitol city of my state, so we are
>not exactly primitive. However, as the city grows it begins to climb
>the foothills in one direction and encroach on the desert to the
>south. With that intrusion you have got to expect to find rattle
>snakes, and other wildlife using your neighborhood. On the other
>hand, we also have ducks, geese, turkeys, pheasant, quail and other
>game birds. Thankfully the skunks have stopped visiting here.
>>http://tinyurl.com/oxmmppj
>Janet US

Do you get raccoons ? We don't get mountain lions, nor elk, but all
the rest. The main problem here is suburbs that have spread into
animal territory, sometimes the people are so irritating, if there is
a sleepy bear in the garden, go indoors and shut the door behind you.
More often that not, they phone the police and the usual result is a
dead bear. We have had some trouble with hikers and coyotes, but
again, most of the humans were irritatingly stupid.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:01:03 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:39:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:56:46 -0600, Janet B >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:34:02 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:45:22 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>>>>He tried the old method of tying bags of hair around the garden, waste
>>>>>of time, however going out at night and peeing in the garden did work,
>>>>>I suppose an unfamiliar scent threw them. I had some nice hostas that
>>>>>always had to recover from a good nibbling in the spring, a local man
>>>>>told me 'We call them deer lettuce' -
>>>>
>>>>They LOVE hostas. Yews, too, for some reason.
>>>
>>>they love arbor vitae as well. Around here, folks wrap the bottoms of
>>>vulnerable shrubs in chicken wire.
>>>Janet US
>>
>>Ha! They never touch arborvitae here! How odd.
>
>this is a food group -- we are all diverse in our tastes
>Janet US

Hee hee

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:01:03 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:39:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:56:46 -0600, Janet B >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:34:02 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:45:22 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>>>>He tried the old method of tying bags of hair around the garden, waste
>>>>>of time, however going out at night and peeing in the garden did work,
>>>>>I suppose an unfamiliar scent threw them. I had some nice hostas that
>>>>>always had to recover from a good nibbling in the spring, a local man
>>>>>told me 'We call them deer lettuce' -
>>>>
>>>>They LOVE hostas. Yews, too, for some reason.
>>>
>>>they love arbor vitae as well. Around here, folks wrap the bottoms of
>>>vulnerable shrubs in chicken wire.
>>>Janet US
>>
>>Ha! They never touch arborvitae here! How odd.
>
>this is a food group -- we are all diverse in our tastes
>Janet US

Indeed.

I have a friend who refers to her impatiens as deer hors d'oeuvres.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:38:33 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>Let me know how the bougainvillea goes.

Bougainvillea... how I used to hate that species. They can grow
totally out of control in the tropics, and burning any cut off vines
only makes them spikier... I'm guessing though they have much more
easier to manage varieties these days.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:59:09 +0300, Opinicus
> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:34:02 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>>>They are not too bad here though where I lived before my neighbour and
>>>I were persecuted because a woman further up the road was feeding
>>>them!
>
>>I'd throttle her. The herds are way to big here and Lyme ticks are
>>always a threat.
>
>Personally I'dve started thinking about venison options a long time
>ago.

Seems like deer are breeding like crazy everywhere. I went fishing
down the river a couple of nights ago, and there was deer poo and
hooves prints everywhere along the river bank. All through the evening
we could hear and even see them on the other side of the river.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 20:11:25 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:07:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:46:47 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>>I once tried overwintering French tarragon. However, perhaps because it
>>>benefits from a seasonal die-back, it didn't thrive that well. It's a
>>>pity because during the summer when I have huge "bushes" of it, the
>>>weather is too warm to roast chickens stuffed with it.
>>
>>I've started freezing my herbs, especially tarragon. It might not have
>>that real fresh taste but it comes pretty close. Tarragon is an
>>essential in my roast chicken!
>>
>I grow my own mint in summer but have never found an effective way to
>keep it, with flavour, through the winter. I like it for mint sauce
>and even if I make it into mint sauce, it loses that nice mint flavour
>after a few weeks.
>
>I wondered, it's nearly time to cut it now, if perhaps I froze it as
>soon as it is made in an ice cube tray, whether it would taste fresher
>when unfrozen as needed.

It might? I haven't any experience trying to preserve mint, would be
worth a try.

On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:21:16 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:59:09 +0300, Opinicus
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:34:02 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>>
>>>>They are not too bad here though where I lived before my neighbour and
>>>>I were persecuted because a woman further up the road was feeding
>>>>them!
>>
>>>I'd throttle her. The herds are way to big here and Lyme ticks are
>>>always a threat.
>>
>>Personally I'dve started thinking about venison options a long time
>>ago.
>
>Seems like deer are breeding like crazy everywhere. I went fishing
>down the river a couple of nights ago, and there was deer poo and
>hooves prints everywhere along the river bank. All through the evening
>we could hear and even see them on the other side of the river.

Some years they prosper here but then other winters like the last,
their number are drastically reduced.

On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:24:52 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 20:11:25 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:07:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:46:47 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>>I once tried overwintering French tarragon. However, perhaps because it
>>>>benefits from a seasonal die-back, it didn't thrive that well. It's a
>>>>pity because during the summer when I have huge "bushes" of it, the
>>>>weather is too warm to roast chickens stuffed with it.
>>>
>>>I've started freezing my herbs, especially tarragon. It might not have
>>>that real fresh taste but it comes pretty close. Tarragon is an
>>>essential in my roast chicken!
>>>
>>I grow my own mint in summer but have never found an effective way to
>>keep it, with flavour, through the winter. I like it for mint sauce
>>and even if I make it into mint sauce, it loses that nice mint flavour
>>after a few weeks.
>>
>>I wondered, it's nearly time to cut it now, if perhaps I froze it as
>>soon as it is made in an ice cube tray, whether it would taste fresher
>>when unfrozen as needed.
>
>It might? I haven't any experience trying to preserve mint, would be
>worth a try.

I am going to try freezing in cubes in an ice tray with water and
making actual mint sauce and freezing that, and see which, if either,
is better.

On 10/15/2015 4:05 PM, Janet B wrote:
> > wrote:
>> On 10/15/2015 1:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>>> the morning.
>>> That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>> We may start having similar problems, if plans to introduce lynx,
>> wolves, boars, and bears in the Highlands, go ahead.
>
> are there or were there never any large predators in the Highlands?
>
Hundreds of years ago, there were bears, wolves, lynx, wild boars. The
last wolf died in the early 1700s, the others much earlier.
We have sea eagles and golden eagles, but the biggest cat is the
Scottish wildcat.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:36:15 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:58:29 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:58:11 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 2015-10-15 12:10 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my area it has been too dry to provide forage up in the hills and
>>>>>> mountains. The animals come down to where there is water and food.
>>>>>> Then they become habituated. The deer in my neighborhood have taken
>>>>>> up residence along the creek. The one buck goes upstream past my
>>>>>> house everyday, crosses the court and enters the backyard of a
>>>>>> neighbor where he dozes all day. Generally he is a polite neighbor.
>>>>>> He's safe here. Once they leave this area of dead end streets they
>>>>>> become traffic casualties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>When I was in Pacific Grove last month there were deer roaming through
>>>>>the parking lot at hour hotel and they were in the parks and cemeteries.
>>>>>When we were driving along the coast I saw a man walking a German
>>>>>Shepherd. There were more than a dozen deer nearby and two of them kept
>>>>>teasing the dog.
>>>>>
>>>>>When we left there were stopped at the Elkhorn Slough and there were
>>>>>signs up warning of mountain lion sightings and they suggested that
>>>>>people not hike alone there.
>>>>>
>>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>>> the morning.
>>>
>>>That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>>
>>In my state of Idaho, but I know similar happens in all the states out
>>here in the west. We have mountains, low population density for much
>>of the terrain, and a variety of large mammals. When the deer and
>>elk (your moose, I believe) come down into the valleys for food and
>>water, the predators follow. I haven't seen a mountain lion or
>>mountain lion footprints in my neighborhood but they have been seen
>>near here. I have seen coyote and fox go through the neighborhood on
>>a regular basis. My city is the capitol city of my state, so we are
>>not exactly primitive. However, as the city grows it begins to climb
>>the foothills in one direction and encroach on the desert to the
>>south. With that intrusion you have got to expect to find rattle
>>snakes, and other wildlife using your neighborhood. On the other
>>hand, we also have ducks, geese, turkeys, pheasant, quail and other
>>game birds. Thankfully the skunks have stopped visiting here.
>>>http://tinyurl.com/oxmmppj
>>Janet US
>
>Do you get raccoons ? We don't get mountain lions, nor elk, but all
>the rest. The main problem here is suburbs that have spread into
>animal territory, sometimes the people are so irritating, if there is
>a sleepy bear in the garden, go indoors and shut the door behind you.
>More often that not, they phone the police and the usual result is a
>dead bear. We have had some trouble with hikers and coyotes, but
>again, most of the humans were irritatingly stupid.

Yes, but I don't even think of raccoons as wild animals anymore. They
are like squirrels -- always there. They rob cat food and dog food
and rummage in the garden and are quite tame -- not shy of humans at
all.
Do you get moose. I adore their looks but they are a very big animal
you don't want to mess with.
Some municipalities have game or police wardens that actively work to
scare away or remove the large animals from human areas. That's what
I favor. All these animals supply a balance in nature.
Janet US

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:21:07 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 10/15/2015 4:05 PM, Janet B wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>> On 10/15/2015 1:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>>>> the morning.
>>>> That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>>> We may start having similar problems, if plans to introduce lynx,
>>> wolves, boars, and bears in the Highlands, go ahead.
>>
>> are there or were there never any large predators in the Highlands?
>>
>Hundreds of years ago, there were bears, wolves, lynx, wild boars. The
>last wolf died in the early 1700s, the others much earlier.
>We have sea eagles and golden eagles, but the biggest cat is the
>Scottish wildcat.

I guess that humans caused the demise of these animals by using them
for food and skins?
Janet US

On 10/15/2015 7:33 PM, Janet B wrote:
> > wrote:
>> On 10/15/2015 4:05 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>> On 10/15/2015 1:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>>>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>>>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>>>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>>>>> the morning.
>>>>> That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>>>> We may start having similar problems, if plans to introduce lynx,
>>>> wolves, boars, and bears in the Highlands, go ahead
>>> are there or were there never any large predators in the Highlands?
>> Hundreds of years ago, there were bears, wolves, lynx, wild boars. The
>> last wolf died in the early 1700s, the others much earlier.
>> We have sea eagles and golden eagles, but the biggest cat is the
>> Scottish wildcat.
> I guess that humans caused the demise of these animals by using them
> for food and skins?
>
I think it was more getting rid of dangers to livestock, but _beavers_
were hunted out of existence for their fur. They're beginning to
reintroduce European beavers now.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:21:07 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 10/15/2015 4:05 PM, Janet B wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>> On 10/15/2015 1:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>>>> the morning.
>>>> That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>>> We may start having similar problems, if plans to introduce lynx,
>>> wolves, boars, and bears in the Highlands, go ahead.
>>
>> are there or were there never any large predators in the Highlands?
>>
>Hundreds of years ago, there were bears, wolves, lynx, wild boars. The
>last wolf died in the early 1700s, the others much earlier.
>We have sea eagles and golden eagles, but the biggest cat is the
>Scottish wildcat.

I smiled when I saw golden eagle, family myth always has it that my
great-great-grandmother was so incensed at a lamb stealing golden
eagle she managed to grab it and wring it's neck.

We have golden eagles here and the osprey is a fairly common bird,
creating havoc by nesting atop power poles

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 17:32:30 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>
>Yes, but I don't even think of raccoons as wild animals anymore. They
>are like squirrels -- always there. They rob cat food and dog food
>and rummage in the garden and are quite tame -- not shy of humans at
>all.

That's for sure. They love the green bins when I lived outside of
town they used to come past and the big male would insert himself
between the house and the green bin and shove it over. I screwed a
big hook into the shingles and secured the green bin to the hook with
a bungee cord. He couldn't believe it when the bin came back on him,
so he went back to raiding the bird feeders.

>Do you get moose. I adore their looks but they are a very big animal
>you don't want to mess with.

They are a strange animal, always make me think of Alice in Wonderland
they're so weird. We have plenty here but not around Halifax.

>Some municipalities have game or police wardens that actively work to
>scare away or remove the large animals from human areas. That's what
>I favor. All these animals supply a balance in nature.
>Janet US

That's a good idea. I get mad with people who build next to a piggery
and then complain about the smell or people with their McMansions who
shriek at the first sign of wild life.

On 10/15/2015 7:53 PM, wrote:

> I smiled when I saw golden eagle, family myth always has it that my
> great-great-grandmother was so incensed at a lamb stealing golden
> eagle she managed to grab it and wring it's neck.
>
She must have been very brave - or fool-hardy. I've seen one of them up
close (it swooped in front of the PostBus I was in) and it was _enormous_!

On 15/10/2015 5:53 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:21:07 -0400, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>> On 10/15/2015 4:05 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>> On 10/15/2015 1:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>>>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>>>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>>>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>>>>> the morning.
>>>>> That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>>>> We may start having similar problems, if plans to introduce lynx,
>>>> wolves, boars, and bears in the Highlands, go ahead.
>>>
>>> are there or were there never any large predators in the Highlands?
>>>
>> Hundreds of years ago, there were bears, wolves, lynx, wild boars. The
>> last wolf died in the early 1700s, the others much earlier.
>> We have sea eagles and golden eagles, but the biggest cat is the
>> Scottish wildcat.
>
> I smiled when I saw golden eagle, family myth always has it that my
> great-great-grandmother was so incensed at a lamb stealing golden
> eagle she managed to grab it and wring it's neck.
>
> We have golden eagles here and the osprey is a fairly common bird,
> creating havoc by nesting atop power poles
>
A friend and former colleague of mine discovered the Golden Eagle
migration route along the Rockies. Quite something
http://eaglewatch.ca/
Graham

On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:17:06 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:38:33 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>>Let me know how the bougainvillea goes.
>
>Bougainvillea... how I used to hate that species. They can grow
>totally out of control in the tropics, and burning any cut off vines
>only makes them spikier... I'm guessing though they have much more
>easier to manage varieties these days.


Mine was grown in a tub this year and we'll see if it makes it through
the winter. The most invasive botanical species we have here in NJ is
what I consider the state plant- poison ivy. It is luxuriously lovely
in these parts.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/15/2015 1:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>> the morning.
>>
>> That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>>
> We may start having similar problems, if plans to introduce lynx, wolves,
> boars, and bears in the Highlands, go ahead.

I know(

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"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:58:11 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2015-10-15 12:10 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In my area it has been too dry to provide forage up in the hills and
>>>>> mountains. The animals come down to where there is water and food.
>>>>> Then they become habituated. The deer in my neighborhood have taken
>>>>> up residence along the creek. The one buck goes upstream past my
>>>>> house everyday, crosses the court and enters the backyard of a
>>>>> neighbor where he dozes all day. Generally he is a polite neighbor.
>>>>> He's safe here. Once they leave this area of dead end streets they
>>>>> become traffic casualties.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>When I was in Pacific Grove last month there were deer roaming through
>>>>the parking lot at hour hotel and they were in the parks and cemeteries.
>>>>When we were driving along the coast I saw a man walking a German
>>>>Shepherd. There were more than a dozen deer nearby and two of them kept
>>>>teasing the dog.
>>>>
>>>>When we left there were stopped at the Elkhorn Slough and there were
>>>>signs up warning of mountain lion sightings and they suggested that
>>>>people not hike alone there.
>>>>
>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>> the morning.
>>
>>That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>
> In my state of Idaho, but I know similar happens in all the states out
> here in the west. We have mountains, low population density for much
> of the terrain, and a variety of large mammals. When the deer and
> elk (your moose, I believe) come down into the valleys for food and
> water, the predators follow. I haven't seen a mountain lion or
> mountain lion footprints in my neighborhood but they have been seen
> near here. I have seen coyote and fox go through the neighborhood on
> a regular basis. My city is the capitol city of my state, so we are
> not exactly primitive. However, as the city grows it begins to climb
> the foothills in one direction and encroach on the desert to the
> south. With that intrusion you have got to expect to find rattle
> snakes, and other wildlife using your neighborhood. On the other
> hand, we also have ducks, geese, turkeys, pheasant, quail and other
> game birds. Thankfully the skunks have stopped visiting here.
>>http://tinyurl.com/oxmmppj

Thank you. Yes, I see you are very near the mountains. We get a lot a foxes
but nothing else here so far, but did you notice Sheila's comment? Actually
talking about introducing them into the country!

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> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:24:52 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 20:11:25 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:07:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:46:47 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I once tried overwintering French tarragon. However, perhaps because it
>>>>>benefits from a seasonal die-back, it didn't thrive that well. It's a
>>>>>pity because during the summer when I have huge "bushes" of it, the
>>>>>weather is too warm to roast chickens stuffed with it.
>>>>
>>>>I've started freezing my herbs, especially tarragon. It might not have
>>>>that real fresh taste but it comes pretty close. Tarragon is an
>>>>essential in my roast chicken!
>>>>
>>>I grow my own mint in summer but have never found an effective way to
>>>keep it, with flavour, through the winter. I like it for mint sauce
>>>and even if I make it into mint sauce, it loses that nice mint flavour
>>>after a few weeks.
>>>
>>>I wondered, it's nearly time to cut it now, if perhaps I froze it as
>>>soon as it is made in an ice cube tray, whether it would taste fresher
>>>when unfrozen as needed.
>>
>>It might? I haven't any experience trying to preserve mint, would be
>>worth a try.
>
> I am going to try freezing in cubes in an ice tray with water and
> making actual mint sauce and freezing that, and see which, if either,
> is better.

If you are going to freeze the actual sauce I can't see it being other than
better)


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"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:36:15 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:58:29 -0600, Janet B >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:58:11 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 2015-10-15 12:10 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my area it has been too dry to provide forage up in the hills and
>>>>>>> mountains. The animals come down to where there is water and food.
>>>>>>> Then they become habituated. The deer in my neighborhood have taken
>>>>>>> up residence along the creek. The one buck goes upstream past my
>>>>>>> house everyday, crosses the court and enters the backyard of a
>>>>>>> neighbor where he dozes all day. Generally he is a polite neighbor.
>>>>>>> He's safe here. Once they leave this area of dead end streets they
>>>>>>> become traffic casualties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When I was in Pacific Grove last month there were deer roaming through
>>>>>>the parking lot at hour hotel and they were in the parks and
>>>>>>cemeteries.
>>>>>>When we were driving along the coast I saw a man walking a German
>>>>>>Shepherd. There were more than a dozen deer nearby and two of them
>>>>>>kept
>>>>>>teasing the dog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When we left there were stopped at the Elkhorn Slough and there were
>>>>>>signs up warning of mountain lion sightings and they suggested that
>>>>>>people not hike alone there.
>>>>>>
>>>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>>>> the morning.
>>>>
>>>>That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>>>
>>>In my state of Idaho, but I know similar happens in all the states out
>>>here in the west. We have mountains, low population density for much
>>>of the terrain, and a variety of large mammals. When the deer and
>>>elk (your moose, I believe) come down into the valleys for food and
>>>water, the predators follow. I haven't seen a mountain lion or
>>>mountain lion footprints in my neighborhood but they have been seen
>>>near here. I have seen coyote and fox go through the neighborhood on
>>>a regular basis. My city is the capitol city of my state, so we are
>>>not exactly primitive. However, as the city grows it begins to climb
>>>the foothills in one direction and encroach on the desert to the
>>>south. With that intrusion you have got to expect to find rattle
>>>snakes, and other wildlife using your neighborhood. On the other
>>>hand, we also have ducks, geese, turkeys, pheasant, quail and other
>>>game birds. Thankfully the skunks have stopped visiting here.
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/oxmmppj
>>>Janet US
>>
>>Do you get raccoons ? We don't get mountain lions, nor elk, but all
>>the rest. The main problem here is suburbs that have spread into
>>animal territory, sometimes the people are so irritating, if there is
>>a sleepy bear in the garden, go indoors and shut the door behind you.
>>More often that not, they phone the police and the usual result is a
>>dead bear. We have had some trouble with hikers and coyotes, but
>>again, most of the humans were irritatingly stupid.
>
> Yes, but I don't even think of raccoons as wild animals anymore. They
> are like squirrels -- always there. They rob cat food and dog food
> and rummage in the garden and are quite tame -- not shy of humans at
> all.

Ahh yes, we have squirrels but I don't really think of them in the same
way


> Do you get moose. I adore their looks but they are a very big animal
> you don't want to mess with.
> Some municipalities have game or police wardens that actively work to
> scare away or remove the large animals from human areas. That's what
> I favor. All these animals supply a balance in nature.
> Janet US

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"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/15/2015 7:53 PM, wrote:
>
>> I smiled when I saw golden eagle, family myth always has it that my
>> great-great-grandmother was so incensed at a lamb stealing golden
>> eagle she managed to grab it and wring it's neck.
>>
> She must have been very brave - or fool-hardy. I've seen one of them up
> close (it swooped in front of the PostBus I was in) and it was _enormous_!

It was a long time ago and I can't remember exactly where it was, somewhere
north of here, but I saw in the distance what I thought were rather large
rabbits! Turned out to be wallabies)

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On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 20:12:53 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 10/15/2015 7:53 PM, wrote:
>
>> I smiled when I saw golden eagle, family myth always has it that my
>> great-great-grandmother was so incensed at a lamb stealing golden
>> eagle she managed to grab it and wring it's neck.
>>
>She must have been very brave - or fool-hardy. I've seen one of them up
>close (it swooped in front of the PostBus I was in) and it was _enormous_!

Fool hardy no doubt The only way you could do it would be by
firmly grabbing it by the talons, and then going for the neck. When
not in flight, they are a little more vulnerable. Magnificent birds.

There is a spot not far away from here where the bald eagles gather
for the winter. Near one farm there is a huge tree and I once saw it
with about 80 or so eagles on it, it made it look like a leafless
chestnut tree in blossom

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:04:17 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 15/10/2015 5:53 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:21:07 -0400, S Viemeister
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/15/2015 4:05 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> On 10/15/2015 1:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> We get mountain lion sightings here in neighborhoods along the
>>>>>>> foothills. Schools go into lock down for the day. Fortunately there
>>>>>>> have been no confrontations. Just reports of bloody driveways and
>>>>>>> pieces of deer lying about. That's a shocker on your way to work in
>>>>>>> the morning.
>>>>>> That is very frightening!!! May I ask where this happens???
>>>>> We may start having similar problems, if plans to introduce lynx,
>>>>> wolves, boars, and bears in the Highlands, go ahead.
>>>>
>>>> are there or were there never any large predators in the Highlands?
>>>>
>>> Hundreds of years ago, there were bears, wolves, lynx, wild boars. The
>>> last wolf died in the early 1700s, the others much earlier.
>>> We have sea eagles and golden eagles, but the biggest cat is the
>>> Scottish wildcat.
>>
>> I smiled when I saw golden eagle, family myth always has it that my
>> great-great-grandmother was so incensed at a lamb stealing golden
>> eagle she managed to grab it and wring it's neck.
>>
>> We have golden eagles here and the osprey is a fairly common bird,
>> creating havoc by nesting atop power poles
>>
>A friend and former colleague of mine discovered the Golden Eagle
>migration route along the Rockies. Quite something
>http://eaglewatch.ca/
>Graham

I am glad to see them making a good come back, for awhile there
several years ago with DDT etc. it looked iffy.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 22:56:26 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:17:06 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:38:33 -0600, Janet B >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Let me know how the bougainvillea goes.
>>
>>Bougainvillea... how I used to hate that species. They can grow
>>totally out of control in the tropics, and burning any cut off vines
>>only makes them spikier... I'm guessing though they have much more
>>easier to manage varieties these days.
>
>
>Mine was grown in a tub this year and we'll see if it makes it through
>the winter. The most invasive botanical species we have here in NJ is
>what I consider the state plant- poison ivy. It is luxuriously lovely
>in these parts.

I have managed to keep a sapling going in a pot on my balcony, even
through last winter. I took a huge pot, lined it with pink fibre
glass insulation then sealed that with black plastic and filled
container with top soil. It's a good way of keeping something over
winter in a pot. Next year I think I will have to let the tree go to
the garden.

On 10/16/2015 4:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/15/2015 7:53 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> I smiled when I saw golden eagle, family myth always has it that my
>>> great-great-grandmother was so incensed at a lamb stealing golden
>>> eagle she managed to grab it and wring it's neck.
>>>
>> She must have been very brave - or fool-hardy. I've seen one of them
>> up close (it swooped in front of the PostBus I was in) and it was
>> _enormous_!
>
> It was a long time ago and I can't remember exactly where it was,
> somewhere north of here, but I saw in the distance what I thought were
> rather large rabbits! Turned out to be wallabies)
>
Hmmm...wallaby stew.

On 10/15/2015 10:56 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:

> Mine was grown in a tub this year and we'll see if it makes it through
> the winter. The most invasive botanical species we have here in NJ is
> what I consider the state plant- poison ivy. It is luxuriously lovely
> in these parts.
>
Apparently skunks are responsible for much of the spread of poison ivy -
they eat the berries, process them, then deposit the seeds in the nooks
and crannies of your garden.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/16/2015 4:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/15/2015 7:53 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> I smiled when I saw golden eagle, family myth always has it that my
>>>> great-great-grandmother was so incensed at a lamb stealing golden
>>>> eagle she managed to grab it and wring it's neck.
>>>>
>>> She must have been very brave - or fool-hardy. I've seen one of them
>>> up close (it swooped in front of the PostBus I was in) and it was
>>> _enormous_!
>>
>> It was a long time ago and I can't remember exactly where it was,
>> somewhere north of here, but I saw in the distance what I thought were
>> rather large rabbits! Turned out to be wallabies)
>>
> Hmmm...wallaby stew.

lol well at the time, they were too far away and in any case I didn't have
the means to bring one down ;-)

I've had kangeroo steaks from Lidl though)



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On 2015-10-16 8:56 AM, wrote:

> So often the introduction of a species, even if it was there before,
> has just been a disaster for the animals picked to do it - I'm
> thinking of Newfoundland sending moose to Maine. Although, OTOH I saw
> a Nova recently that expounded on the re-introduction of wolves in
> Yellowstone which has been far more beneficial than even the boffins
> thought it would be.


Beavers are making a comeback in southern Ontario, and farmers and other
property owners are fighting them off. I first saw signs of them abut
two years ago in a nearby pond. Now they are in almost every pond around.

The first ones were in a pond at the back of the farm behind us. I was
back there walking the dog when I saw one had fallen a poplar tree with
about a 12 inch trunk. The tree was on the ground and a second one was
chewed about one quarter of the way through. The next day the second
tree was down along with a third one. By the third day, all three trees
has been trimmed down, cut up and hauled into the pond for the winter
food supply.

That pond was about 20 yards from the property line and on the other
side of the line was my neighbour's tree nursery. Farmer John hired a
trapper to dispose of the beavers.

On 2015-10-16 10:04 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> The county introduced coyotes for lowering the deer population here
> but the coyotes became a huge problem with farmer's livestock, pets,
> and spread rabies and there are just as many deer as before... I don't
> see deer as a problem.


You don't see them as a problem but a lot of farmers do. The property
behind me is a tree nursery and the deer come out and nibble on the
tender shoots and branches. Behind that is a field of corn. The deer
eat the corn and do a lot of damage to the stalks. A few miles from
here there is a provincial park that is a haven for deer. The farmers
all around it are upset about the number of deer that live in the park
and wander out to eat their crops.