I was in my local bakery coffee shop this morning for my daily fix of
great coffee. It was a cool, windy morning. There were some bicyclists
sitting outside. One of them came in and asked the girl if she had a
jacket or sweater she could borrow because it was too cool for her to
sit out there. She looked really disappointed, almost pouting. I got
the impression that she actually expected one of the staff to loan her a
jacket to cover her biking sweaty body so she could sit out in the cold
instead of sitting at one of the vacant tables inside.

Dave Smith wrote:
> I was in my local bakery coffee shop this morning for my daily fix of
> great coffee. It was a cool, windy morning. There were some bicyclists
> sitting outside. One of them came in and asked the girl if she had a
> jacket or sweater she could borrow because it was too cool for her to
> sit out there. She looked really disappointed, almost pouting. I got
> the impression that she actually expected one of the staff to loan her a
> jacket to cover her biking sweaty body so she could sit out in the cold
> instead of sitting at one of the vacant tables inside.


Wow, you're easily annoyed.

Old people are like that...

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 12:02:45 PM UTC-7, Carizozo wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > I was in my local bakery coffee shop this morning for my daily fix of
> > great coffee. It was a cool, windy morning. There were some bicyclists
> > sitting outside. One of them came in and asked the girl if she had a
> > jacket or sweater she could borrow because it was too cool for her to
> > sit out there. She looked really disappointed, almost pouting. I got
> > the impression that she actually expected one of the staff to loan her a
> > jacket to cover her biking sweaty body so she could sit out in the cold
> > instead of sitting at one of the vacant tables inside.
>
>
> Wow, you're easily annoyed.
>
> Old people are like that...

Especially with interfering busy-bodies who push themselves into others conversations
and assume the role of intervener or censor.
Take heed.
=====

Carizozo wrote:
>Dave Smith wrote:
>> I was in my local bakery coffee shop this morning for my daily fix of
>> great coffee. It was a cool, windy morning. There were some bicyclists
>> sitting outside. One of them came in and asked the girl if she had a
>> jacket or sweater she could borrow because it was too cool for her to
>> sit out there. She looked really disappointed, almost pouting. I got
>> the impression that she actually expected one of the staff to loan her a
>> jacket to cover her biking sweaty body so she could sit out in the cold
>> instead of sitting at one of the vacant tables inside.
>
>Wow, you're easily annoyed.
>
>Old people are like that...

I'm old but not that old... I would have gladly offered my coat, and
helped her peel off that wet tee shirt and bra, I would'nt want her
biking sweaty boobies getting chilled making her nipples get all hard
and painful... oh no, this thoughtful old guy wouldn't want her to
suffer like that!

Roy wrote:
> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 12:02:45 PM UTC-7, Carizozo wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> I was in my local bakery coffee shop this morning for my daily fix of
>>> great coffee. It was a cool, windy morning. There were some bicyclists
>>> sitting outside. One of them came in and asked the girl if she had a
>>> jacket or sweater she could borrow because it was too cool for her to
>>> sit out there. She looked really disappointed, almost pouting. I got
>>> the impression that she actually expected one of the staff to loan her a
>>> jacket to cover her biking sweaty body so she could sit out in the cold
>>> instead of sitting at one of the vacant tables inside.
>>
>>
>> Wow, you're easily annoyed.
>>
>> Old people are like that...
>
> Especially with interfering busy-bodies who push themselves into others conversations
> and assume the role of intervener or censor.
> Take heed.
> =====
>

Oh dear old Roy, your "menacing" act just doesn't quite cut it...

Sqwertz wrote:
> <sigh>
>
> -sw


Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor
Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food:

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Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

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There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

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Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Carizozo wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> I was in my local bakery coffee shop this morning for my daily fix of
>>> great coffee. It was a cool, windy morning. There were some bicyclists
>>> sitting outside. One of them came in and asked the girl if she had a
>>> jacket or sweater she could borrow because it was too cool for her to
>>> sit out there. She looked really disappointed, almost pouting. I got
>>> the impression that she actually expected one of the staff to loan her a
>>> jacket to cover her biking sweaty body so she could sit out in the cold
>>> instead of sitting at one of the vacant tables inside.
>>
>> Wow, you're easily annoyed.
>>
>> Old people are like that...
>
> I'm old but not that old...

LOl.

> I would have gladly offered my coat, and
> helped her peel off that wet tee shirt and bra, I would'nt want her
> biking sweaty boobies getting chilled making her nipples get all hard
> and painful... oh no, this thoughtful old guy wouldn't want her to
> suffer like that!

A pseudo-gentleman to the end...

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:57:49 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I was in my local bakery coffee shop this morning for my daily fix of
>great coffee. It was a cool, windy morning. There were some bicyclists
>sitting outside. One of them came in and asked the girl if she had a
>jacket or sweater she could borrow because it was too cool for her to
>sit out there. She looked really disappointed, almost pouting. I got
>the impression that she actually expected one of the staff to loan her a
>jacket to cover her biking sweaty body so she could sit out in the cold
>instead of sitting at one of the vacant tables inside.

The answer to the unasked question is NO!

;-)

John Kuthe...

I am with your (presumed) attitude of annoyance in this...even though she
didn't ask you for help, you certainly have the right to an opinion....it is all
part of the feeling of entitlement that many in younger generations seem to
feel is appropriate, along with a demonstration of a total lack of common sense.
There is not much you can do about it.

N.

Nancy2 wrote:
> I am with your (presumed) attitude of annoyance in this...even though she
> didn't ask you for help, you certainly have the right to an opinion....it is all
> part of the feeling of entitlement that many in younger generations seem to
> feel is appropriate, along with a demonstration of a total lack of common sense.
> There is not much you can do about it.
>
> N.
>
>
>
'Course there is, you wait for them to grow up.

On 2015-11-01 6:17 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> I am with your (presumed) attitude of annoyance in this...even though she
> didn't ask you for help, you certainly have the right to an opinion....it is all
> part of the feeling of entitlement that many in younger generations seem to
> feel is appropriate, along with a demonstration of a total lack of common sense.
> There is not much you can do about it.
>

I guess I was annoyed. The owner and the staff are friends. I was really
surprised to hear her ask. I mean.... it was a cool morning and windy,
and she was wearing a short sleeved bicycling get up. I was surprised to
hear her ask if they had a jacket or sweater that she could borrow. What
really got me was her reaction when told then did not. I didn't know if
she expected that the shop should have jackets or sweaters lying around
for people who don't know how to dress for weather, or if she expected
that one of the staff should have offered to loan her their own outer
garments. Bear in mind the woman had been out cycling and was likely at
least a little sweaty.

Dave Smith wrote:
> What really got me was her reaction when told then did not.

Get over it man!

Damn you're thin-skinned.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:37:01 -0700, Carizozo > wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
> > What really got me was her reaction when told then did not.
>
> Get over it man!
>
> Damn you're thin-skinned.

It's the modern rendition of "What's the matter with kids today?"

--

sf

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:37:01 -0700, Carizozo > wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> What really got me was her reaction when told then did not.
>>
>> Get over it man!
>>
>> Damn you're thin-skinned.
>
> It's the modern rendition of "What's the matter with kids today?"
>
LOL!

At least Sheldon was ready to help...

Carizozo wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Dave Smith wrote:
> > What really got me was her reaction when told then did not.
>
> Get over it man!
>
> Damn you're thin-skinned.

It;s a discussion group and folks like to chat here. Unlike your
utterly stupid autoposting habits that waste EVERYONES time when Steve
posts.

You do know the only folks by now who even see you are the few who just
use the 'next' key right?

--

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 18:35:21 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-11-01 6:17 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>> I am with your (presumed) attitude of annoyance in this...even though she
>> didn't ask you for help, you certainly have the right to an opinion....it is all
>> part of the feeling of entitlement that many in younger generations seem to
>> feel is appropriate, along with a demonstration of a total lack of common sense.
>> There is not much you can do about it.
>>
>
>I guess I was annoyed. The owner and the staff are friends. I was really
>surprised to hear her ask. I mean.... it was a cool morning and windy,
>and she was wearing a short sleeved bicycling get up. I was surprised to
>hear her ask if they had a jacket or sweater that she could borrow. What
>really got me was her reaction when told then did not. I didn't know if
>she expected that the shop should have jackets or sweaters lying around
>for people who don't know how to dress for weather, or if she expected
>that one of the staff should have offered to loan her their own outer
>garments. Bear in mind the woman had been out cycling and was likely at
>least a little sweaty.
>

Females learn to play the "helpless female" early in their lives, an
option not available to males in this sick twisted culture we have in
the United States.

John Kuthe...

cshenk wrote:
> Carizozo wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> What really got me was her reaction when told then did not.
>>
>> Get over it man!
>>
>> Damn you're thin-skinned.
>
> It;s a discussion group and folks like to chat here.

Really????

Thanks for the primer on the obvious, dear.

> Unlike your
> utterly stupid autoposting habits that waste EVERYONES time when Steve
> posts.

I have never "autoposted", but I will note you seem very much in his corner.

Why is that?

Do you approve of him stalking sf and posting her personal data here?

If so...why?

> You do know the only folks by now who even see you are the few who just
> use the 'next' key right?

You Do know that you have been exposed as an enabler of a criminal
woman-stalker, right?

Enjoy, dear.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 18:35:21 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-11-01 6:17 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>> I am with your (presumed) attitude of annoyance in this...even though she
>>> didn't ask you for help, you certainly have the right to an opinion....it is all
>>> part of the feeling of entitlement that many in younger generations seem to
>>> feel is appropriate, along with a demonstration of a total lack of common sense.
>>> There is not much you can do about it.
>>>
>>
>> I guess I was annoyed. The owner and the staff are friends. I was really
>> surprised to hear her ask. I mean.... it was a cool morning and windy,
>> and she was wearing a short sleeved bicycling get up. I was surprised to
>> hear her ask if they had a jacket or sweater that she could borrow. What
>> really got me was her reaction when told then did not. I didn't know if
>> she expected that the shop should have jackets or sweaters lying around
>> for people who don't know how to dress for weather, or if she expected
>> that one of the staff should have offered to loan her their own outer
>> garments. Bear in mind the woman had been out cycling and was likely at
>> least a little sweaty.
>>
>
> Females learn to play the "helpless female" early in their lives, an
> option not available to males in this sick twisted culture we have in
> the United States.
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Oh come now, you're as helpless a little girl as I've ever encountered.

Carizozo wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> cshenk wrote:
> > Carizozo wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > What really got me was her reaction when told then did not.
> > >
> > > Get over it man!
> > >
> > > Damn you're thin-skinned.
> >
> > It;s a discussion group and folks like to chat here.
>
> Really????
>
> Thanks for the primer on the obvious, dear.


Thinking you needed a clue-bat.

> > Unlike your
> > utterly stupid autoposting habits that waste EVERYONES time when
> > Steve posts.
>
> I have never "autoposted", but I will note you seem very much in his
> corner.

Oh so you manually copy the same text to reply to every post someone
else here does? Interesting! You must have a lot of time on your hands
if so.

> Why is that?

Steve is a normal person. SF is as well. There are MORONS (probably
just one) making up crap about both of them.

You are one of them. When you are normal, I will talk with you.
--

On Sun, 01 Nov 2015 20:59:09 -0600, cshenk wrote:

> Carizozo wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> cshenk wrote:
>>> Carizozo wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>> > Dave Smith wrote:
>>> > > What really got me was her reaction when told then did not.
>>> >
>>> > Get over it man!
>>> >
>>> > Damn you're thin-skinned.
>>>
>>> It;s a discussion group and folks like to chat here.
>>
>> Really????
>>
>> Thanks for the primer on the obvious, dear.
>
> Thinking you needed a clue-bat.

Why are you even engaging this mental defective? Is your last name
Kuthe too?

On 11/1/2015 5:55 PM, spammyzozo wrote:

> You Do

Typical spammyshitbrain response from a gutless coward WHO NEVER SERVED!

Gonna man up some day, you disgusting cowardly traitor?

Do you ever have anything of interest, or substance, to say?

You are a little dick bitch who feels like it is his civic duty as
a Usenet troll to place his nose firmly in the sphincters of those he
dislikes every time they post. They all own you, spammy, you useless
piece of SHIT!

'Shit happens'
---Traitorous Spammy's reply to the fact that 34 Americans
died and 170 were injured when Israel attacked the USS
Liberty.
Spammy is a gutless coward who has never served his country in
uniform.

On 11/1/2015 3:37 PM, spammyzozo is:

> thin-skinned.

Typical spammyshitbrain response from a gutless coward WHO NEVER SERVED!

Gonna man up some day, you disgusting cowardly traitor?

Do you ever have anything of interest, or substance, to say?

You are a little dick bitch who feels like it is his civic duty as
a Usenet troll to place his nose firmly in the sphincters of those he
dislikes every time they post. They all own you, spammy, you useless
piece of SHIT!

'Shit happens'
---Traitorous Spammy's reply to the fact that 34 Americans
died and 170 were injured when Israel attacked the USS
Liberty.
Spammy is a gutless coward who has never served his country in
uniform.

On 11/1/2015 1:02 PM, spammyzozo wrote:

> St

Typical spammyshitbrain response from a gutless coward WHO NEVER SERVED!

Gonna man up some day, you disgusting cowardly traitor?

Do you ever have anything of interest, or substance, to say?

You are a little dick bitch who feels like it is his civic duty as
a Usenet troll to place his nose firmly in the sphincters of those he
dislikes every time they post. They all own you, spammy, you useless
piece of SHIT!

'Shit happens'
---Traitorous Spammy's reply to the fact that 34 Americans
died and 170 were injured when Israel attacked the USS
Liberty.
Spammy is a gutless coward who has never served his country in
uniform.

On 11/1/2015 12:57 PM, spammyzozo wrote:

> Oh

Typical spammyshitbrain response from a gutless coward WHO NEVER SERVED!

Gonna man up some day, you disgusting cowardly traitor?

Do you ever have anything of interest, or substance, to say?

You are a little dick bitch who feels like it is his civic duty as
a Usenet troll to place his nose firmly in the sphincters of those he
dislikes every time they post. They all own you, spammy, you useless
piece of SHIT!

'Shit happens'
---Traitorous Spammy's reply to the fact that 34 Americans
died and 170 were injured when Israel attacked the USS
Liberty.
Spammy is a gutless coward who has never served his country in
uniform.

On 11/1/2015 11:02 AM, spammyzozo is:

> easily annoyed.

Typical spammyshitbrain response from a gutless coward WHO NEVER SERVED!

Gonna man up some day, you disgusting cowardly traitor?

Do you ever have anything of interest, or substance, to say?

You are a little dick bitch who feels like it is his civic duty as
a Usenet troll to place his nose firmly in the sphincters of those he
dislikes every time they post. They all own you, spammy, you useless
piece of SHIT!

'Shit happens'
---Traitorous Spammy's reply to the fact that 34 Americans
died and 170 were injured when Israel attacked the USS
Liberty.
Spammy is a gutless coward who has never served his country in
uniform.

cshenk wrote:
> Carizozo wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> cshenk wrote:
>>> Carizozo wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> What really got me was her reaction when told then did not.
>>>>
>>>> Get over it man!
>>>>
>>>> Damn you're thin-skinned.
>>>
>>> It;s a discussion group and folks like to chat here.
>>
>> Really????
>>
>> Thanks for the primer on the obvious, dear.
>
>
> Thinking you needed a clue-bat.

No, not really...

>
>>> Unlike your
>>> utterly stupid autoposting habits that waste EVERYONES time when
>>> Steve posts.
>>
>> I have never "autoposted", but I will note you seem very much in his
>> corner.
>
> Oh so you manually copy the same text to reply to every post someone
> else here does? Interesting! You must have a lot of time on your hands
> if so.

And?


>> Why is that?
>
> Steve is a normal person.

Oh no.

He's a criminal woman-stalker, wrongo.

> SF is as well.

You will note she has NEVER posted Wertz's personal data, has she?

> There are MORONS (probably
> just one) making up crap about both of them.

You seem still confused.

Steve and Marty are the trolls, they run the stalking.

> You are one of them. When you are normal, I will talk with you.

I'm not a "Groupkilla", period.

You are confused, and I have no reasonable explanation for why that is.

Dilbert wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Nov 2015 20:59:09 -0600, cshenk wrote:
>
>> Carizozo wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>> Carizozo wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> What really got me was her reaction when told then did not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get over it man!
>>>>>
>>>>> Damn you're thin-skinned.
>>>>
>>>> It;s a discussion group and folks like to chat here.
>>>
>>> Really????
>>>
>>> Thanks for the primer on the obvious, dear.
>>
>> Thinking you needed a clue-bat.
>
> Why are you even engaging this mental defective? Is your last name
> Kuthe too?
>

Do you need your face mashed in?

Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Nov 2015 18:53:03 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> It;s a discussion group and folks like to chat here. Unlike your
>> utterly stupid autoposting habits that waste EVERYONES time when Steve
>> posts.
>>
>> You do know the only folks by now who even see you are the few who just
>> use the 'next' key right?
>
> What also makes people see him, is when people reply to him.
>

Really?

;-)

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-11-01 6:17 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> > I am with your (presumed) attitude of annoyance in this...even though she
> > didn't ask you for help, you certainly have the right to an opinion....it is all
> > part of the feeling of entitlement that many in younger generations seem to
> > feel is appropriate, along with a demonstration of a total lack of common sense.
> > There is not much you can do about it.
> >
>
> I guess I was annoyed. The owner and the staff are friends. I was really
> surprised to hear her ask. I mean.... it was a cool morning and windy,
> and she was wearing a short sleeved bicycling get up. I was surprised to
> hear her ask if they had a jacket or sweater that she could borrow. What
> really got me was her reaction when told then did not. I didn't know if
> she expected that the shop should have jackets or sweaters lying around
> for people who don't know how to dress for weather, or if she expected
> that one of the staff should have offered to loan her their own outer
> garments. Bear in mind the woman had been out cycling and was likely at
> least a little sweaty.

I used to admire cyclists unreservedly, but too many these days are
arrogant twits with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement.
See, for example, "Critical Mass."

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 8:57:50 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> I was in my local bakery coffee shop this morning for my daily fix of
> great coffee. It was a cool, windy morning. There were some bicyclists
> sitting outside. One of them came in and asked the girl if she had a
> jacket or sweater she could borrow because it was too cool for her to
> sit out there. She looked really disappointed, almost pouting. I got
> the impression that she actually expected one of the staff to loan her a
> jacket to cover her biking sweaty body so she could sit out in the cold
> instead of sitting at one of the vacant tables inside.

That's not my idea of a pain-in-the-ass customer. Mostly that would be an arrogant son-of-a-bitch boomer-gen dickhead complaining about the service or the prices and hassling the guys trying to do their job. For more information on this just read some that the incredible shit that goes down from the posters on this newsgroup. How the heck is someone asking for some help and cooperation a pain-in-the-ass?

My guess is gen X/Y will change our society into one that supports and cooperates with each other. I don't consider that to be a bad thing. Their social networks and friends will be of paramount importance to them. Sure, they carry a sense of entitlement about them but that's the way we raised them. Baby-boomers labeling the younger generation as having a bad attitude of entitlement is fairly ironic. And the beat goes on...

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 8:14:25 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:

> Females learn to play the "helpless female" early in their lives, an
> option not available to males in this sick twisted culture we have in
> the United States.

Do you even know any women? There are all types.

Incidentally, if you don't like the culture in the United States,
perhaps you should go find one more to your taste.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 03:45:33 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 8:14:25 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>
>> Females learn to play the "helpless female" early in their lives, an
>> option not available to males in this sick twisted culture we have in
>> the United States.
>
>Do you even know any women? There are all types.
>
>Incidentally, if you don't like the culture in the United States,
>perhaps you should go find one more to your taste.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

You are very kind to him! I saw that comment and didn't trust myself
to answer it - - -

On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 03:45:33 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 8:14:25 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>
>> Females learn to play the "helpless female" early in their lives, an
>> option not available to males in this sick twisted culture we have in
>> the United States.
>
>Do you even know any women? There are all types.
>
>Incidentally, if you don't like the culture in the United States,
>perhaps you should go find one more to your taste.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Culture is not your friend, Cindy, unless you totally drank the
Koolaid as they say, and it looks like you have.

And you are more correct if you thought I was talking abiout all
females. Just some/many/etc. learn to play the helpless female, but it
is a gender specific trait for the most part, although I have a
whitewater kayaking male friend who plays the "Help me, I'm helpless"
game quite well, and he blames it on the fact that he's Jewish, which
I think he's learned is not something it's currently politically
correct to call him on!

John Kuthe...

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 03:45:33 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 8:14:25 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> Females learn to play the "helpless female" early in their lives, an
>>> option not available to males in this sick twisted culture we have in
>>> the United States.
>>
>>Do you even know any women? There are all types.
>>
>>Incidentally, if you don't like the culture in the United States,
>>perhaps you should go find one more to your taste.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
> Culture is not your friend, Cindy, unless you totally drank the
> Koolaid as they say, and it looks like you have.
>
> And you are more correct if you thought I was talking abiout all
> females. Just some/many/etc. learn to play the helpless female, but it
> is a gender specific trait for the most part, although I have a
> whitewater kayaking male friend who plays the "Help me, I'm helpless"
> game quite well, and he blames it on the fact that he's Jewish, which
> I think he's learned is not something it's currently politically
> correct to call him on!
>
> John Kuthe...

I think many of the younger males in this country act the same. Alas, we
are a nation of pussies.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 22:55:38 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-11-01 6:17 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>> > I am with your (presumed) attitude of annoyance in this...even though she
>> > didn't ask you for help, you certainly have the right to an opinion....it is all
>> > part of the feeling of entitlement that many in younger generations seem to
>> > feel is appropriate, along with a demonstration of a total lack of common sense.
>> > There is not much you can do about it.
>> >
>>
>> I guess I was annoyed. The owner and the staff are friends. I was really
>> surprised to hear her ask. I mean.... it was a cool morning and windy,
>> and she was wearing a short sleeved bicycling get up. I was surprised to
>> hear her ask if they had a jacket or sweater that she could borrow. What
>> really got me was her reaction when told then did not. I didn't know if
>> she expected that the shop should have jackets or sweaters lying around
>> for people who don't know how to dress for weather, or if she expected
>> that one of the staff should have offered to loan her their own outer
>> garments. Bear in mind the woman had been out cycling and was likely at
>> least a little sweaty.
>
>I used to admire cyclists unreservedly, but too many these days are
>arrogant twits with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement.
>See, for example, "Critical Mass."

The endorphin high of bicycling can be a contributing factor too!!
Makes one feel like a superman or woman! High mindless confidence!!

John Kuthe...

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 22:55:38 -0800 (PST), wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2015-11-01 6:17 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>> > I am with your (presumed) attitude of annoyance in this...even though
>>> > she
>>> > didn't ask you for help, you certainly have the right to an
>>> > opinion....it is all
>>> > part of the feeling of entitlement that many in younger generations
>>> > seem to
>>> > feel is appropriate, along with a demonstration of a total lack of
>>> > common sense.
>>> > There is not much you can do about it.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I guess I was annoyed. The owner and the staff are friends. I was really
>>> surprised to hear her ask. I mean.... it was a cool morning and windy,
>>> and she was wearing a short sleeved bicycling get up. I was surprised to
>>> hear her ask if they had a jacket or sweater that she could borrow. What
>>> really got me was her reaction when told then did not. I didn't know if
>>> she expected that the shop should have jackets or sweaters lying around
>>> for people who don't know how to dress for weather, or if she expected
>>> that one of the staff should have offered to loan her their own outer
>>> garments. Bear in mind the woman had been out cycling and was likely at
>>> least a little sweaty.
>>
>>I used to admire cyclists unreservedly, but too many these days are
>>arrogant twits with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement.
>>See, for example, "Critical Mass."
>
> The endorphin high of bicycling can be a contributing factor too!!
> Makes one feel like a superman or woman! High mindless confidence!!
>
> John Kuthe...

She was probably miffed that the males she was with were not falling for her
"take care of me" schmaltz.

On 2015-11-02 4:15 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 8:57:50 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> I was in my local bakery coffee shop this morning for my daily fix
>> of great coffee. It was a cool, windy morning. There were some
>> bicyclists sitting outside. One of them came in and asked the girl
>> if she had a jacket or sweater she could borrow because it was too
>> cool for her to sit out there. She looked really disappointed,
>> almost pouting. I got the impression that she actually expected
>> one of the staff to loan her a jacket to cover her biking sweaty
>> body so she could sit out in the cold instead of sitting at one of
>> the vacant tables inside.
>
> That's not my idea of a pain-in-the-ass customer. Mostly that would
> be an arrogant son-of-a-bitch boomer-gen dickhead complaining about
> the service or the prices and hassling the guys trying to do their
> job.

I was looking at it from the perspective of the staff who are exposed to
these types of requests.


>For more information on this just read some that the incredible
> shit that goes down from the posters on this newsgroup. How the heck
> is someone asking for some help and cooperation a pain-in-the-ass?

She wasn't exactly looking for help. She was looking for a sweater or
jacket to wear. There were at least four empty tables inside, but this
woman who had gone out cycling on a cool, windy day wearing a light
weight short sleeved top wanted to sit outside. I am trying to figure
out why on earth she would expect one of the staff to loan her a jacket.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> She wasn't exactly looking for help. She was looking for a sweater or
> jacket to wear. There were at least four empty tables inside, but this
> woman who had gone out cycling on a cool, windy day wearing a light
> weight short sleeved top wanted to sit outside. I am trying to figure
> out why on earth she would expect one of the staff to loan her a jacket.

I'm with you, Dave. She was stupid to go out exercising without a
coverup if she had planned to stop somewhere on the way home. You get
sweaty and if you stop, you will get chilled. She just needed to get
back on her bike and start cycling again...bring her body heat back
up. She will learn from this though and probably won't make the
mistake again.

The "LAW Bikers" really annoy me here. "Lance Armstrong Wannabee's"
They put on all the official biking clothes, the coolest helmet, and
have a $1000+ bicycle. They ride on the roads (as they are allowed to)
but so many ignore all the driving rules. They go right through red
lights, etc. I hate them all. They are a serious menace to our roads.

On 2015-11-02 9:57 AM, Gary wrote:

>> She wasn't exactly looking for help. She was looking for a sweater or
>> jacket to wear. There were at least four empty tables inside, but this
>> woman who had gone out cycling on a cool, windy day wearing a light
>> weight short sleeved top wanted to sit outside. I am trying to figure
>> out why on earth she would expect one of the staff to loan her a jacket.
>
> I'm with you, Dave. She was stupid to go out exercising without a
> coverup if she had planned to stop somewhere on the way home. You get
> sweaty and if you stop, you will get chilled. She just needed to get
> back on her bike and start cycling again...bring her body heat back
> up. She will learn from this though and probably won't make the
> mistake again.

She could have just moved inside, which is what they did when she
realized no one was willing to let her wrap their clean clothes around
her sweaty body.


>
> The "LAW Bikers" really annoy me here. "Lance Armstrong Wannabee's"
> They put on all the official biking clothes, the coolest helmet, and
> have a $1000+ bicycle. They ride on the roads (as they are allowed to)
> but so many ignore all the driving rules. They go right through red
> lights, etc. I hate them all. They are a serious menace to our roads.
>

We have more than our share of them around here. There are bicycle
raises held around here so they come out in packs to practice. The ride
2-3 across in groups of 12 or more, will not move to the right to let
cars go by, rarely even slow down for stop signs. These people are all
adults and presumably licensed drivers who should know better.
There is a bicycle trail along the parkway, but these guys right on the
road instead of the much safer trail.

Worst case I saw was when driving through High Park in Toronto. My son
was at the wheel and moving with the traffic. Some cyclist all decked
out when flying by on the right yelling and screaming at us. Turned out
we were speeding.... thanks to a ridiculously low speed limit. I guess
the self righteous didn't realize the speed limit applies to bikes as
well as cars. As he sped off he blew through a stop sign at full speed.

dsi1 wrote:
> That's not my idea of a pain-in-the-ass customer. Mostly that would be an arrogant son-of-a-bitch boomer-gen dickhead complaining about the service or the prices and hassling the guys trying to do their job.

Nice straw mean, you two dating?

> For more information on this just read some that the incredible shit that goes down from the posters on this newsgroup.

Partial credit, this is an insane asylum, not a valid cross-section.

> How the heck is someone asking for some help and cooperation a
pain-in-the-ass?

"Cooperation"?

A novel take.

> My guess is gen X/Y will change our society into one that supports and cooperates with each other.

While still living in Mommy and Daddy's basements...

> I don't consider that to be a bad thing.

Oh, what about their entitlement mentality?

> Their social networks and friends will be of paramount importance to them.

Iow, hive mentality, the inability to think freely for themselves.

> Sure, they carry a sense of entitlement about them but that's the way we raised them.

Sad but also true.

> Baby-boomers labeling the younger generation as having a bad attitude of entitlement is fairly ironic.

A tad, but facts is facts

And the beat goes on...

The death knell of democracy and capitalism, yes.