> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:13:01 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
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>>
>>> Well said and I see Julie referred to 'flushable wipes' - there is no
>>> such thing.
>>>
>>> http://www.nbcnews.com/science/scien...on-f6C10843060
>>>
>>> It has been determined that the usual cause of these are ceramic type
>>> sewage pipes, pre plastic, and wipes which hang up on irregularities.
>>>
>>> I think she lives in an older house, so she better be careful what she
>>> is flushing
>>
>>Woe to anyone that really thinks those things are flushable.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> They do flush I guess but it's what happens next that matters. I am
> going to raise the point at our next condo meeting because I fear some
> believe what they read

Oh yeah, they flush with no problems...for a bit.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> >"sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:37:22 -0500, jmcquown
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 11/11/2015 9:28 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>>> jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > >
> >>>>> Also uncommon: urinals. We had a urinal in one bathroom when
> we >> lived >>>>> in Bangkok. My mother refused to let Dad or my
> brothers use it for >> that >>>>> purpose. She said, I'm not
> cleaning that. Use the toilet like >> everyone >>>>> else." LOL
> She kept a vase of fresh flowers in the urinal.
> > > > >
> >>>> Interesting. If she had thought more about it, a urinal is much
> easier >>>> to clean, vs men standing up and peeing in a toilet
> that's 2 feet away >>>> from the man part. Urinals keep all that pee
> right in there. Peeing >>>> (while standing up) in a much lower
> toilet get residual drops on the >>>> rim and the floor.
> > > > >
> > > > Actually she didn't have to clean it, we had a maid. It was
> > > > apparently just the thought of a pee trough that bothered her.
> > > >
> > > I wouldn't want that in my bathroom either. It's as repugnant as
> > > a bidet or a toilet with the seat left up. If there were his and
> > > hers bathrooms and a maid to clean them, I'd say go for it
> > > because I'd never need to step foot inside the one with a urinal.
> > > Otherwise, it won't happen in any bathroom I use.
> >
> > A bidet??? I can see you need educated! One doesn't pee in a
> > bidet! It is the place you wash yourself after you have peed!
> >
> > What? No bidet? So, tell me, how do you clean yourself
> > afterwards? Don't tell me you don't wash???
> >
> > No I am not having a go at anyone for not having one, but I will
> > not be sneered at for having one and having it likened to a
> > toilet!!
>
> I don't think anyone is sneering but seriously they are generally not
> used here at all. I don't think they are common in Canada either.
> At least not the parts where I've been. And no, we generally do not
> wash after. That's what toilet paper is for. And if needed,
> flushable wet wipes.

We had the swing out arm type in Japan. Nothing perks you up faster
than a shot of cold water on your bitties at 4am! That or you can
stand up, turn around and turn the nossle down and wait 3-4 minutes for
it to get warm then turn it off, turn the head back up, and sit down.

It was ok in summer though.

Carol

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:04:04 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:43:41 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Tell me, sf! If you get shit on your hands, will you just wipe it
>>>> >> off
>>>> >> with
>>>> >> toilet paper?
>>>> >
>>>> > Gosh, O. I didn't know you shoved food up your ass.
>>>>
>>>> Not only are you a filthy cow you have a mind to match.
>>>
>>> You're getting what you started thrown right back at you.
>>>
>>
>> Does seem that way. She kind of took a pot shot at Americans because we
>> don't use bidets.
>
> Did 'she' now? Learn to read!

I know how to read.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:57:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:04:04 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:43:41 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Tell me, sf! If you get shit on your hands, will you just wipe it
>>> >> >> off
>>> >> >> with
>>> >> >> toilet paper?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Gosh, O. I didn't know you shoved food up your ass.
>>> >>
>>> >> Not only are you a filthy cow you have a mind to match.
>>> >
>>> > You're getting what you started thrown right back at you.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Does seem that way. She kind of took a pot shot at Americans because we
>>> don't use bidets.
>>
>> Thank you.
>
> LOL I thought you were supposed to have been a teacher???? You need to
> learn to read!!!

Now you are laughing at us?

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:04:04 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:43:41 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Tell me, sf! If you get shit on your hands, will you just wipe it
>>>>> >> off
>>>>> >> with
>>>>> >> toilet paper?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Gosh, O. I didn't know you shoved food up your ass.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not only are you a filthy cow you have a mind to match.
>>>>
>>>> You're getting what you started thrown right back at you.
>>>
>>> Why because you didn't like the fact that I had a bidet???
>>> LOL
>>
>> I'm sure nobody cares that you have one. But you're kind of putting the
>> rest of us down who don't. And that would be most people in the US.
>
> I never had you down as stupid.

And I never put you down as superior but that's the way you are trying to
come across.

"Janet" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:25:24 -0600, Moe DeLoughan >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On 11/10/2015 4:00 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A great thing
>> >>>> about those places up North is they have ice water coming out of
>> >>>> the taps. Amazing! That would never happen over here - too bad.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Take it from me - this is not so great when you're brushing your teeth
>> >>>first thing in the morning. Same problem with a simple bidet - unless
>> >>>the water first goes through a nearby on-demand heater, that wash will
>> >>>leave your nether bits all tingly, and not in a pleasant way, either.
>> >>
>> >> Moe has first hand experience with a bidet?
>> >
>> > Whyever not? We have one in our bathroom!
>>
>> I don't know where Moe lives but they are rarely seen in this country.
>> I've
>> never actually seen one.
>
> I can't understand it, given how hygiene-conscious Americans are.
> (Also, without being rude, you have such a high number of people so
> seriously obese they must struggle to reach their own backsides to wipe
> the TP)
>
> Over here, lots of baby-boomer older people I know are quietly
> adapting their homes for their future personal care whenever they become
> infirm. Downstairs bathroom refitted with bidet and walk-in, wheelchair-
> access shower, is very popular.

Yeah, well, I looked at some pics of the types of homes you have over there.
Not like ours here at all and most bathrooms wouldn't even have a place for
a bidet. I wouldn't know about people who can't reach their backsides.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:35:35 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>> >
>> Downstairs bathroom refitted with bidet and walk-in, wheelchair-
>> access shower, is very popular.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> Wheelchair accessible showers are very practical. Heck you don't need
> to be incapacitated to like them. I've wanted a built in shower bench
> since I was in my 20's, it's very handy for putting your foot on to
> facilitate leg shaving. No one I know wants a bidet. Maybe you're
> talking about naturalized Europeans, but no one else wants one and I
> know plenty of old people who were brought up in other countries.

My MIL had a shower bench that folded up and down. It was a horrible thing.
Had a tendency to tilt you slightly forward when sitting on it and it had a
very slippery surface so if you dared to use it, you could fall off.

The place where my dad lived had these things that were used in the shower.
They were essentially like toilet seats with legs and wheels. Some
hospitals use them too.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>> IMO, this is one case where we USAins drift to the barbaric side. Or
>>>>> should I say the barbaric back sides. heheheh
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a waste of good floor space.
>>>
>>> Note: if sf doesn't have one then it must be denigrated and sneered at.
>>>
>>> Pathetic!
>>
>> They're really pretty much unknown here. I've never even seen one in a
>> store. You can get them online and they're not cheap.
>
> That isn't my fault!! I simply asked why Moe was being teased about
> having one and I said I had one too!!!

If Moe lives in the US, then that would be why he is teased. We do not use
them.

"Janet" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >> sf wrote:
>> >>Gary wrote:
>> >>
>> >> IMO, this is one case where we USAins drift to the barbaric side. Or
>> >>> should I say the barbaric back sides. heheheh
>> >>>
>> >>>It's a waste of good floor space.
>> >
>> > Note: if sf doesn't have one then it must be denigrated and sneered at.
>> >
>> > Pathetic!
>>
>> They're really pretty much unknown here. I've never even seen one in a
>> store. You can get them online and they're not cheap.
>
> Cost of a ceramic bidet here starts at around £70, or 106 US dollars.
> Their footprint is small, they occupy less space than a laundry basket.
>
> Bathrooms already have hot and cold plumbing and drain exits, so
> plumbing and fitting a bidet is within the ability of competent DIY; or
> not terribly expensive if you have to pay for labour.
>
> Janet UK

The main bathroom in my parent's house was so small that when my dad began
having difficulties and we had to install rails for the toilet, we had a
hard time putting them in. When you sat on the toilet, you had the sink
immediately to your right and the tub to your left. If you were sitting on
the toilet and someone tried to open the door, you'd get whacked in the
knees. They finally had to get a pocket door installed.

I had one bathroom that was smaller than that still. While sitting on the
toilet, your knees were under the sink. I did actually have one person get
stuck on the toilet. You needed to be fairly agile to get on and off of it
because you had to angle your body just right. No way would a bidet fit in
those bathrooms.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I don't care if you have one or not! But you are making it sound like
>> those
>> of us who don't have one, and that would be most all of us in the US, are
>> unclean!
>
> Let's start then with Stinky butt sf and Julie.
> Notice the correlation too... both use canned chicken broth. lol
>
> Most of the USAins DO have unclean butts. Ophy gave the best analogy.
> If you get poo on your hands, would you wash the hands well, or just
> wipe them off with a paper towel? USAins just cover up the smelly
> parts with underwear and pants. Even Sheldon would turn down those
> two.

WTF? What are you doing to get poo on your hands? I don't even want to
know.
>
> Without a bidet, best to at least moisten some tp and give the bum a
> quick wash.

We have wet wipes here Gary.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
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> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 19:47:04 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:37:22 -0500, jmcquown
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> Actually she didn't have to clean it, we had a maid. It was
>>>>>>> >> apparently
>>>>>>> >> just the thought of a pee trough that bothered her.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> > I wouldn't want that in my bathroom either. It's as repugnant as
>>>>>>> > a
>>>>>>> > bidet or a toilet with the seat left up. If there were his and
>>>>>>> > hers
>>>>>>> > bathrooms and a maid to clean them, I'd say go for it because I'd
>>>>>>> > never need to step foot inside the one with a urinal. Otherwise,
>>>>>>> > it
>>>>>>> > won't happen in any bathroom I use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A bidet??? I can see you need educated! One doesn't pee in a
>>>>>>> bidet! It
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the place you wash yourself *after* you have peed!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What? No bidet? So, tell me, how do you clean yourself afterwards?
>>>>>>> Don't
>>>>>>> tell me you don't wash???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No I am not having a go at anyone for not having one, but I will not
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> sneered at for having one and having it likened to a toilet!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently bidet owners have never heard of toilet paper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh I use toilet paper BEFORE I use the bidet. I don't consider just
>>>>> wiping
>>>>> myself with paper is clean enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> I prefer to wash and be properly clean!
>>>>
>>>> You are that messy afterwards? *Probably does not really want to know
>>>> the answer*
>>>
>>> No I damned well am not messy. I do not consider wiping faeces from my
>>> anus with toilet paper leaves it clean. You tell me how you do it! As
>>> I asked sf before being attacked, if you got it on your hands, would you
>>> wipe it off with paper?? No, you would damned well wash them, or I
>>> hope you would, but if you don't, it is no skin off my nose. I don't
>>> care!!!
>>>
>>> Now, I didn't attack anyone, or say anyone must have a bidet, I simply
>>> made a comment when Moe was questioned about having a bidet that I had
>>> one too. Of course sf took that as a personal slight and did her usual
>>> stunts. Was it jealousy or her Superiority Complex cutting in again? I
>>> don't give a damn but I am sick of it!!!
>>>
>>> Why are you so concerned anyway about whether I have a bidet? Are you
>>> jealous too or do you just feel like joining in the bitching at me with
>>> sf?
>>>
>>> I don't give a damn who has one or not, but I refuse to be put on trial
>>> so you and everyone else who feels like bitching about it can sod off.
>>
>> I don't care if you have one or not! But you are making it sound like
>> those of us who don't have one, and that would be most all of us in the
>> US, are unclean!
>
> Well, fact of the matter is your ass isn't AS clean as one washed with a
> bidet no matter how you spin it, but that doesn't make you "unclean"
> because you don't have one, and I don't think it was ever presented in
> those words or meant to be taken that way, but in typical RFC fashion
> everything is turned into an attack of some sort.

She actually went on and on and wanted to know how we cleaned ourselves!

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/13/2015 10:36 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> I have a combi boiler which serves the whole house for hot water and
>>> heating. The water for all that is as hot as you want it to be. You
>>> set the temp yourself.
>>>
>>> There is no water tank to heat up, it heats the water on demand.
>>
>> I don't think we have anything of the sort in this country.
>
> Here's a California company which handles combi boilers -
>
> <http://wholehousecombi.com/>
>
> There are a number of others.

I see it but it's all rather meaningless to me. Never heard of such a thing
in a house here. Heat in most houses is either gas or electric. And I
don't really know what a boiler is.

Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:35:35 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>> Downstairs bathroom refitted with bidet and walk-in, wheelchair-
>>> access shower, is very popular.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> Wheelchair accessible showers are very practical. Heck you don't need
>> to be incapacitated to like them. I've wanted a built in shower bench
>> since I was in my 20's, it's very handy for putting your foot on to
>> facilitate leg shaving. No one I know wants a bidet. Maybe you're
>> talking about naturalized Europeans, but no one else wants one and I
>> know plenty of old people who were brought up in other countries.
>
> My MIL had a shower bench that folded up and down. It was a horrible thing.
> Had a tendency to tilt you slightly forward when sitting on it and it had a
> very slippery surface so if you dared to use it, you could fall off.
>
> The place where my dad lived had these things that were used in the shower.
> They were essentially like toilet seats with legs and wheels. Some
> hospitals use them too.
>
>

They're called "commodes".

--
jinx the minx

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Well said and I see Julie referred to 'flushable wipes' - there is no
>> such thing.
>>
>> http://www.nbcnews.com/science/scien...on-f6C10843060
>>
>> It has been determined that the usual cause of these are ceramic type
>> sewage pipes, pre plastic, and wipes which hang up on irregularities.
>>
>> I think she lives in an older house, so she better be careful what she
>> is flushing
>
> Woe to anyone that really thinks those things are flushable.

I flush them all the time. And my house was built in the 80's.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> I don't give a damn who has one or not, but I refuse to be put on trial
> so you and everyone else who feels like bitching about it can sod off.

Well then!!!!

Bidet power.

Janet wrote:
>> I've
>> >never actually seen one.
>I can't understand it, given how hygiene-conscious Americans are.

We all take really nice LONG hot showers.

wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:26:57 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:57:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:04:04 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:43:41 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tell me, sf! If you get shit on your hands, will you just wipe it
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> toilet paper?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gosh, O. I didn't know you shoved food up your ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not only are you a filthy cow you have a mind to match.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're getting what you started thrown right back at you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does seem that way. She kind of took a pot shot at Americans because we
>>>> don't use bidets.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>
>> LOL I thought you were supposed to have been a teacher???? You need to
>> learn to read!!!
>
> Don't you remember all those jokes that circulated immediately after
> the war when US tourists started invading Europe and had all these
> ideas that bidets were for brushing your teeth in, birth control,
> soaking feet etc ?
>
> Maybe she taught kindergarten ?
>
They're **** washers for those who bathe about once a week.

Good grief!

Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:37:22 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/11/2015 9:28 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also uncommon: urinals. We had a urinal in one bathroom when we lived
>>>>>> in Bangkok. My mother refused to let Dad or my brothers use it for
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> purpose. She said, I'm not cleaning that. Use the toilet like
>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>> else." LOL She kept a vase of fresh flowers in the urinal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting. If she had thought more about it, a urinal is much easier
>>>>> to clean, vs men standing up and peeing in a toilet that's 2 feet away
>>>>> from the man part. Urinals keep all that pee right in there. Peeing
>>>>> (while standing up) in a much lower toilet get residual drops on the
>>>>> rim and the floor.
>>>>>
>>>> Actually she didn't have to clean it, we had a maid. It was apparently
>>>> just the thought of a pee trough that bothered her.
>>>>
>>> I wouldn't want that in my bathroom either. It's as repugnant as a
>>> bidet or a toilet with the seat left up. If there were his and hers
>>> bathrooms and a maid to clean them, I'd say go for it because I'd
>>> never need to step foot inside the one with a urinal. Otherwise, it
>>> won't happen in any bathroom I use.
>>
>> Urinals can get really bad.
>
> A bidet is nothing like a urinal (or, a toilet). Nobody pees in it.
>
>
> Janet
>
Ya you do.

On 11/13/2015 2:25 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:04:04 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:43:41 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Tell me, sf! If you get shit on your hands, will you just wipe
>>>> it >> off
>>>> >> with
>>>> >> toilet paper?
>>>> >
>>>> > Gosh, O. I didn't know you shoved food up your ass.
>>>>
>>>> Not only are you a filthy cow you have a mind to match.
>>>
>>> You're getting what you started thrown right back at you.
>>>
>>
>> Does seem that way. She kind of took a pot shot at Americans because
>> we don't use bidets.
>
> Did 'she' now? Learn to read!
>
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/13/2015 8:16 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:26:57 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:57:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:04:04 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:43:41 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tell me, sf! If you get shit on your hands, will you just wipe it
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> toilet paper?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gosh, O. I didn't know you shoved food up your ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not only are you a filthy cow you have a mind to match.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're getting what you started thrown right back at you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does seem that way. She kind of took a pot shot at Americans because we
>>>> don't use bidets.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>
>> LOL I thought you were supposed to have been a teacher???? You need to
>> learn to read!!!
>
> Right back at you O. Your reading comprehension is extremely lacking.
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

sf wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:35:35 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>> Downstairs bathroom refitted with bidet and walk-in, wheelchair-
>> access shower, is very popular.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> Wheelchair accessible showers are very practical. Heck you don't need
> to be incapacitated to like them. I've wanted a built in shower bench
> since I was in my 20's, it's very handy for putting your foot on to
> facilitate leg shaving. No one I know wants a bidet. Maybe you're
> talking about naturalized Europeans, but no one else wants one and I
> know plenty of old people who were brought up in other countries.
>

+1!

Gary wrote:
> Most of the USAins DO have unclean butts.

WTF is up with YOU?

Sqwertz wrote:
> This is why I'm a devout Atheist.
>
> -sw


Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor
Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food:

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Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
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I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

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On 11/13/2015 7:49 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>> On 11/13/2015 10:36 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> I have a combi boiler which serves the whole house for hot water and
>>>> heating. The water for all that is as hot as you want it to be. You
>>>> set the temp yourself.
>>>> There is no water tank to heat up, it heats the water on demand.
>>> I don't think we have anything of the sort in this country
>> Here's a California company which handles combi boilers -
>> <http://wholehousecombi.com/>
>> There are a number of others.
>
> I see it but it's all rather meaningless to me. Never heard of such a
> thing in a house here. Heat in most houses is either gas or electric.
> And I don't really know what a boiler is.

You might call it a 'furnace'. Neither term is really accurate.

A 'boiler' heats water, which is then circulated through radiators to
heat the house.

A combi boiler (which can run on gas, electricity, or oil)has an
additional circuit, which heats water for your taps/faucets. It doesn't
store hot water in a big tank - it heats on demand. When you open a tap,
the flow of water triggers the combi to heat the water. When you turn
off the tap, it stops heating it.
They may not be common in the US yet, but their use is increasing.
We switched to a combi in our house in Scotland, and have considerably
reduced our fuel costs. We've also gained storage space, as we no longer
need the big hot water tank/cylinder.
My combi runs on oil, as we have no gas main available.

On 11/13/2015 6:50 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 11/13/2015 7:49 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>> On 11/13/2015 10:36 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> I have a combi boiler which serves the whole house for hot water and
>>>>> heating. The water for all that is as hot as you want it to be. You
>>>>> set the temp yourself.
>>>>> There is no water tank to heat up, it heats the water on demand.
>>>> I don't think we have anything of the sort in this country
>>> Here's a California company which handles combi boilers -
>>> <http://wholehousecombi.com/>
>>> There are a number of others.
>>
>> I see it but it's all rather meaningless to me. Never heard of such a
>> thing in a house here. Heat in most houses is either gas or electric.
>> And I don't really know what a boiler is.
>
> You might call it a 'furnace'. Neither term is really accurate.
>
> A 'boiler' heats water, which is then circulated through radiators to
> heat the house.
>
> A combi boiler (which can run on gas, electricity, or oil)has an
> additional circuit, which heats water for your taps/faucets. It doesn't
> store hot water in a big tank - it heats on demand. When you open a tap,
> the flow of water triggers the combi to heat the water. When you turn
> off the tap, it stops heating it.
> They may not be common in the US yet, but their use is increasing.
> We switched to a combi in our house in Scotland, and have considerably
> reduced our fuel costs. We've also gained storage space, as we no longer
> need the big hot water tank/cylinder.
> My combi runs on oil, as we have no gas main available.
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the €œalleged€� lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty €“ I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment €“ but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal €“ GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimers Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family €“ a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/13/2015 7:10 PM, cshenk wrote:

>> I could see a toilet with a built in bidet. But no way am I going to
>> hobble from one seat over to another with my pants down, only to get
>> a wet behind.
>
> Grin, what an image!
>
> Still, I suspect part of the difference is bathroom size as in
> footprint to add that extra unit. In my case, there is no room to do
> it. Seriously, none. I'd have to take out the sink!
>
> Carol
>

About 25 years ago the makers of plumbing fixtures tried to introduce
them here with little success. Most homes I've visited in Europe have
them but I've never seen one in the US or Canada.

They made more sense years ago when toilet paper and sanitary napkins
were not so readily available. Bathing/showering was less frequent also.

On 11/13/2015 7:08 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/13/2015 7:10 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>>> I could see a toilet with a built in bidet. But no way am I going to
>>> hobble from one seat over to another with my pants down, only to get
>>> a wet behind.
>>
>> Grin, what an image!
>>
>> Still, I suspect part of the difference is bathroom size as in
>> footprint to add that extra unit. In my case, there is no room to do
>> it. Seriously, none. I'd have to take out the sink!
>>
>> Carol
>>
>
> About 25 years ago the makers of plumbing fixtures tried to introduce
> them here with little success. Most homes I've visited in Europe have
> them but I've never seen one in the US or Canada.
>
> They made more sense years ago when toilet paper and sanitary napkins
> were not so readily available. Bathing/showering was less frequent also.
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/12/2015 11:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


>
> Urinals can get really bad. We had them at the golf course. I hated
> having to go in there to check and make sure that nobody was lurking in
> there at closing time.

If you think the urinal is nasty, imagine those guys ****ing in the toilet.

On 11/13/2015 7:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/12/2015 11:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>
>>
>> Urinals can get really bad. We had them at the golf course. I hated
>> having to go in there to check and make sure that nobody was lurking in
>> there at closing time.
>
> If you think the urinal is nasty, imagine those guys ****ing in the toilet.
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/13/2015 4:17 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I thought I was being witty
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
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On 11/13/2015 7:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>

>>> It has been determined that the usual cause of these are ceramic type
>>> sewage pipes, pre plastic, and wipes which hang up on irregularities.
>>>
>>> I think she lives in an older house, so she better be careful what she
>>> is flushing
>>
>> Woe to anyone that really thinks those things are flushable.
>
> I flush them all the time. And my house was built in the 80's.

You are fortunate to have a good sewer line. Some towns are having
problems when they get into the mail lines, especially older ones.

On 11/13/2015 7:37 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>

>
> My MIL had a shower bench that folded up and down. It was a horrible
> thing. Had a tendency to tilt you slightly forward when sitting on it
> and it had a very slippery surface so if you dared to use it, you could
> fall off.
>
> The place where my dad lived had these things that were used in the
> shower. They were essentially like toilet seats with legs and wheels.
> Some hospitals use them too.

There are very sturdy portable shower seats available from many sources.
My wife uses one.

Two years ago we took out the tub and now have a 60" wide shower with
plenty of room to move around and only a 1 1/2" lip to step over. In
addition to the rainhead there is a handheld shower. Two grab bars, of
course.

The downstairs bath was enlarged from the 34" fiberglass stall to 48",
all ceramic tile. Well worth the time and money to have nice bathrooms.

On 11/13/2015 7:52 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/13/2015 7:37 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> My MIL had a shower bench that folded up and down. It was a horrible
>> thing. Had a tendency to tilt you slightly forward when sitting on it
>> and it had a very slippery surface so if you dared to use it, you could
>> fall off.
>>
>> The place where my dad lived had these things that were used in the
>> shower. They were essentially like toilet seats with legs and wheels.
>> Some hospitals use them too.
>
> There are very sturdy portable shower seats available from many sources.
> My wife uses one.
>
> Two years ago we took out the tub and now have a 60" wide shower with
> plenty of room to move around and only a 1 1/2" lip to step over. In
> addition to the rainhead there is a handheld shower. Two grab bars, of
> course.
>
> The downstairs bath was enlarged from the 34" fiberglass stall to 48",
> all ceramic tile. Well worth the time and money to have nice bathrooms.
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/13/2015 7:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/13/2015 7:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>>>> It has been determined that the usual cause of these are ceramic type
>>>> sewage pipes, pre plastic, and wipes which hang up on irregularities.
>>>>
>>>> I think she lives in an older house, so she better be careful what she
>>>> is flushing
>>>
>>> Woe to anyone that really thinks those things are flushable.
>>
>> I flush them all the time. And my house was built in the 80's.
>
> You are fortunate to have a good sewer line. Some towns are having
> problems when they get into the mail lines, especially older ones.
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:37:04 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:35:35 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >, says...
> >> >
> >> Downstairs bathroom refitted with bidet and walk-in, wheelchair-
> >> access shower, is very popular.
> >>
> >> Janet UK
> >>
> > Wheelchair accessible showers are very practical. Heck you don't need
> > to be incapacitated to like them. I've wanted a built in shower bench
> > since I was in my 20's, it's very handy for putting your foot on to
> > facilitate leg shaving. No one I know wants a bidet. Maybe you're
> > talking about naturalized Europeans, but no one else wants one and I
> > know plenty of old people who were brought up in other countries.
>
> My MIL had a shower bench that folded up and down. It was a horrible thing.
> Had a tendency to tilt you slightly forward when sitting on it and it had a
> very slippery surface so if you dared to use it, you could fall off.
>
I'm not talking about the cheap add on type.

> The place where my dad lived had these things that were used in the shower.
> They were essentially like toilet seats with legs and wheels. Some
> hospitals use them too.


--

sf

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:37:04 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:35:35 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >, says...
>>> >
>>> Downstairs bathroom refitted with bidet and walk-in, wheelchair-
>>> access shower, is very popular.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> Wheelchair accessible showers are very practical. Heck you don't need
>> to be incapacitated to like them. I've wanted a built in shower bench
>> since I was in my 20's, it's very handy for putting your foot on to
>> facilitate leg shaving. No one I know wants a bidet. Maybe you're
>> talking about naturalized Europeans, but no one else wants one and I
>> know plenty of old people who were brought up in other countries.
>
>My MIL had a shower bench that folded up and down. It was a horrible thing.
>Had a tendency to tilt you slightly forward when sitting on it and it had a
>very slippery surface so if you dared to use it, you could fall off.
>
>The place where my dad lived had these things that were used in the shower.
>They were essentially like toilet seats with legs and wheels. Some
>hospitals use them too.

The really nice shower benches are built in to the wall, and are
tiled. They don't move at all and are quite safe.

There are some examples he

http://www.houzz.com/built-in-shower-seat

I won't go so far as to say I like the tile designs on those, but the
idea is really nice.

Our current bathroom has a shower that is separate from the tub, but
it doesn't have a bench. I really wish I'd had one added when we put
in the shower.

Doris

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:44:28 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>We have wet wipes here Gary.

Wet wipes are not good for sewerage systems. They clog up the pipes.
I'm on a septic system, and I'd *never* use any kind of so-called
"flushable" wipe. I'd be needing my tank pumped out every year.

Doris

On 11/13/2015 8:39 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:37:04 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:35:35 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>> Downstairs bathroom refitted with bidet and walk-in, wheelchair-
>>>> access shower, is very popular.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>> Wheelchair accessible showers are very practical. Heck you don't need
>>> to be incapacitated to like them. I've wanted a built in shower bench
>>> since I was in my 20's, it's very handy for putting your foot on to
>>> facilitate leg shaving. No one I know wants a bidet. Maybe you're
>>> talking about naturalized Europeans, but no one else wants one and I
>>> know plenty of old people who were brought up in other countries.
>>
>> My MIL had a shower bench that folded up and down. It was a horrible thing.
>> Had a tendency to tilt you slightly forward when sitting on it and it had a
>> very slippery surface so if you dared to use it, you could fall off.
>>
>> The place where my dad lived had these things that were used in the shower.
>> They were essentially like toilet seats with legs and wheels. Some
>> hospitals use them too.
>
> The really nice shower benches are built in to the wall, and are
> tiled. They don't move at all and are quite safe.
>
> There are some examples he
>
> http://www.houzz.com/built-in-shower-seat
>
> I won't go so far as to say I like the tile designs on those, but the
> idea is really nice.
>
> Our current bathroom has a shower that is separate from the tub, but
> it doesn't have a bench. I really wish I'd had one added when we put
> in the shower.
>
> Doris
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/13/2015 8:44 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:44:28 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> We have wet wipes here Gary.
>
> Wet wipes are not good for sewerage systems. They clog up the pipes.
> I'm on a septic system, and I'd *never* use any kind of so-called
> "flushable" wipe. I'd be needing my tank pumped out every year.
>
> Doris
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 18:02:14 -0700, el pie de Onate >
wrote:

> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > I don't give a damn who has one or not, but I refuse to be put on trial
> > so you and everyone else who feels like bitching about it can sod off.
>
> Well then!!!!
>
> Bidet power.

She's the only one who is bitching.

--

sf