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>>But Boucher is correct that it was the disastrous post-WWI
>>drawing of national borders which failed to take the interests
>>and history of the local people that really set the stage for
>>today's problems. The way the borders were drawn virtually
>>guaranteed future strife.
>
> I agree, I was mentioning that prior to the interference it
> was just a land mass of tribes, sometimes warring, sometimes
> not.

The first Arab nationalists were Christian and they knew that when
the Ottoman Empire fell, Arabs had to be ready to create a nation
for themselves. The movement started in the 1880s as they could
already see the decay in the Porte Sublime. What they wanted was a
single Arab state that would welcome Christian, Muslim and Jewish
Arabs (also known as Jews of Arab lands). It was of course an
intellectual movement.

Clearly, messing with such a noble idea is what is at the source of
all the troubles now.

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graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 14/11/2015 2:30 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 14/11/2015 10:54 AM, wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 11:13:38 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2015-11-14 8:47 AM, wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks to our immigration laws, we will be seeing a lot
> > > > > > > more come over under the family reunification program.
> > > > > > > Some of these will be parents and grandparents. When they
> > > > > > > arrive they will be eligible for health care that they
> > > > > > > never paid into during their salad years. After a while
> > > > > > > they will be eligible for old age pension that they never
> > > > > > > contributed to.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Well we could stop paying your pension and save in that
> > > > > > quarter!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I paid into my pension fund. I paid into my pension at work,
> > > > > I paid into CPP and I paid into OAP through my taxes. FWIW,
> > > > > a few years ago, a Liberal MP in Brampton, an area that has a
> > > > > huge south Asian community, was pushing to reduce the
> > > > > qualifying time for old age pensions. Recent immigrants
> > > > > would be able to sponsor aged parents under the family
> > > > > reunification time and then the older folks would soon be
> > > > > getting a pension they never paid into.
> > > >
> > > > It all balances out in the end - David and I were immigrants, we
> > > > were both hard working people with three kids. Those three now
> > > > are hard working adults who have never drawn pogey, likewise
> > > > their spouses and likewise already my five grandchildren. The
> > > > eldest great granddaughter as a sea cadet is well on her way to
> > > > a career in the navy but only 14 just now.
> > > >
> > > > My bet would be we are average as immigrants go so look at it
> > > > this way, we've paid your pensions for you, as likely do many
> > > > other immigrants. I did bring my mother over here at the end
> > > > of her life but she was not entitled to anything, you better
> > > > check that out accurately instead of with right wing blind eye.
> > > >
> > > Dave goes on about his pension contributions but as he was a
> > > public servant, the taxpayer paid his salary and his pension
> > > contributions and no doubt subsidizes the payments:-)
> >
> > Graham, he paid money in all his life and deserves the payback.
> > Just like I have paid in 26 years in the Navy, 7 years before that
> > at various jobs, and now 6 years post Navy. 39 years paid in,
> > regardless if 'taxpayers' covered my salary for some of it.
> >
> > I was also paying taxes just like the rest of you were out of my
> > income. Those taxes went to build roads, support schools, and all
> > the rest of it just like everyone elses's did. I didn't get any
> > tax breaks except for a short 6 months in the Gulf (and that only
> > Federal taxes, not social security or state).
> >
> > The 401K works the same as in a local company. You pay a certain
> > amount and they match it. Government jobs do not match as well as
> > CSC does. They match at 1/2 the rate a good company does.
> >
> >
> >
> Did you see the :-) ?

Sorry but a little ;-) doenst fix the message.

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