wrote:
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:29:49 PM UTC-8, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:38:15 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>>
>>> sf wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:33:23 -0600, Michel Boucher
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> MisterDiddyWahDiddy > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer
>>>>>
>>>>> As evidenced by the current Republican lineup. All gobble, no
>>>>> substance.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>> Plenty of substance in Gov. Kasich.
>>>
>>> No joke.
>>
>> He and Jeb seem to be the only republican candidates worth any
>> consideration... and I like him better than Jeb. I like Martin
>> O'Malley too.
>>
>
> I don't know if this is important to you, but Kasich has yet to meet
> an abortion restriction he wouldn't sign into law:
> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-rights-record
>

"Since Kasich entered office in 2011, he has enacted 16 anti-abortion
measures. Some directly restrict abortion access, such as the 20-week
late-term ban that he signed six months after entering office.

Late term abortions are murder, period.

Bravo.

"Others limit the work of abortion providers. For example, in 2013 he
signed the state's budget bill, which included one provision that
prohibits state-funded rape crisis counselors from referring women to
abortion services"

Are women incapable of finding them on their own?

"and another that stripped Planned Parenthood of an estimated $1.4
million in federal family-planning dollars."

Until they stop trading in fetal tissue sales they SHOULD be stripped of
government funding.


"The measures have had drastic consequences for access to abortion and
medical care for Ohio women: During Kasich's time in office, the number
of abortion providers in the state has dropped from 16 to eight."

And he personally closed down how many of those 8?

This is unspecified blame writ as indictment by a far left mouth-organ.

http://ballotpedia.org/John_Kasich

Kasich has earned both support and criticism from fellow Republicans for
his more moderate political philosophy. He supported Common Core
education standards, a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and
expansions for Medicaid in Ohio.

Legally require hiring women & minorities Favors

Absolute right to gun ownership Strongly Favors

More enforcement of the right to vote Favors

Stimulus better than market-led recovery Neutral

Privatize Social Security Strongly Favors

Stricter punishment reduces crime Strongly Favors

Expand the military Opposes

Never legalize marijuana Strongly Favors

Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens Neutral

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 23:41:21 -0800 (PST), wrote:

> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:29:49 PM UTC-8, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:38:15 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
> >
> > > sf wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:33:23 -0600, Michel Boucher
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> MisterDiddyWahDiddy > wrote in
> > > >> :
> > > >>
> > > >>> The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer
> > > >>
> > > >> As evidenced by the current Republican lineup. All gobble, no
> > > >> substance.
> > > >
> > > > LOL
> > > >
> > > Plenty of substance in Gov. Kasich.
> > >
> > > No joke.
> >
> > He and Jeb seem to be the only republican candidates worth any
> > consideration... and I like him better than Jeb. I like Martin
> > O'Malley too.
> >
>
> I don't know if this is important to you, but Kasich has yet to meet
> an abortion restriction he wouldn't sign into law:
> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-rights-record

I know all the bad about him, but he's a breath of sanity on slate
filled with complete loons. The pyramids were filled with grain?
We're going to build a wall between the USA and Mexico? Really?

--

sf

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:02:04 -0700, Embudo > wrote:

> Late term abortions are murder, period.
>
> Bravo.

Why make a mountain out of a molehill? Lawmakers need to keep their
big fat noses out of it and stop making laws about medical decisions
that should be kept between a woman and her doctor. Between the loss
of women's reproductive rights and more restrictive voting rights,
this country is turning back the clock.

--

sf

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:59:12 AM UTC-10, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> wants a real turkey too.
>
> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>
> --Bryan

I don't see any love or respect. If you actually loved your SIL, you'd laugh this off as just a funny foible of hers. Instead, you whine like a diva because a little sliced meat is not to your liking. It's a lot easier to curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle, ain't it?

Oops, I did it again... hit that "Post" button instead of "Discard." Silly me!

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 23:41:21 -0800 (PST), wrote:
>
>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:29:49 PM UTC-8, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:38:15 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>>>
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:33:23 -0600, Michel Boucher
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> MisterDiddyWahDiddy > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As evidenced by the current Republican lineup. All gobble, no
>>>>>> substance.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL
>>>>>
>>>> Plenty of substance in Gov. Kasich.
>>>>
>>>> No joke.
>>>
>>> He and Jeb seem to be the only republican candidates worth any
>>> consideration... and I like him better than Jeb. I like Martin
>>> O'Malley too.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know if this is important to you, but Kasich has yet to meet
>> an abortion restriction he wouldn't sign into law:
>> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-rights-record
>
> I know all the bad about him, but he's a breath of sanity on slate
> filled with complete loons.

The key loons are Trump, Cruz, and Carson.

Bush is moderate, Carly talks common sense, Rubio is a centrist, and
Graham is faltering but fundamentally sound.

On the other side Sanders is a madman who think we scale to Denmark!

Clinton lies like most people breathe.

And Chafee seems likable but a bit befuddled.

This is nothing Biden couldn't have cured, had he not walked away.

> The pyramids were filled with grain?

I don't recall anyone every finding any there, do you?

> We're going to build a wall between the USA and Mexico? Really?

Oh it get's better, Trump thinks they'll be happy to build it for us!

Seriously.

If this keeps up the Dems should just run Geraldo.

sf wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:02:04 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>
>> Late term abortions are murder, period.
>>
>> Bravo.
>
> Why make a mountain out of a molehill?

Because it is a very violent procedure for the woman and the fetus.

> Lawmakers need to keep their
> big fat noses out of it and stop making laws about medical decisions
> that should be kept between a woman and her doctor.

Ftmp, I agree.

> Between the loss
> of women's reproductive rights and more restrictive voting rights,
> this country is turning back the clock.

There are no more restrictive voting rights.

Presenting photo ID is a sound and workable part of most peoples' daily
lives.

Most states will issue them for those who do not or can not drive.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:59:12 AM UTC-10, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>> wants a real turkey too.
>>
>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
> I don't see any love or respect. If you actually loved your SIL, you'd laugh this off as just a funny foible of hers. Instead, you whine like a diva because a little sliced meat is not to your liking. It's a lot easier to curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle, ain't it?
>
> Oops, I did it again... hit that "Post" button instead of "Discard." Silly me!
>
I'm thinking you may have an alter-ego there...

;-)

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:56:52 -0700, Embudo > wrote:

> Most states will issue them for those who do not or can not drive.

You don't get one if you can't drive. To drive well enough to pass
the driving portion of the test (try parallel parking on the first
pass if you've never done it before, try figuring out a maze of
traffic signs instructing vehicles if you usually take the bus). To
pass the test, you need behind the wheel experience and you won't get
experience if you don't have a car.

--

sf

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:54:10 -0700, Embudo > wrote:

> If this keeps up the Dems should just run Geraldo.

I thought he's a Republican.

--

sf

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:46:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:59:12 AM UTC-10, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> > I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> > GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> > on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> > way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> > wants a real turkey too.
> >
> > A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
> >
> > --Bryan
>
> I don't see any love or respect. If you actually loved your SIL, you'd laugh this off as just a funny foible of hers. Instead, you whine like a diva because a little sliced meat is not to your liking. It's a lot easier to curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle, ain't it?
>
> Oops, I did it again... hit that "Post" button instead of "Discard." Silly me!

He should go back to his most descriptive nom de plume: Food Snob.

--

sf

On 11/10/2015 3:18 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:56:52 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>
>> Most states will issue them for those who do not or can not drive.
>
> You don't get one if you can't drive. To drive well enough to pass
> the driving portion of the test (try parallel parking on the first
> pass if you've never done it before, try figuring out a maze of
> traffic signs instructing vehicles if you usually take the bus). To
> pass the test, you need behind the wheel experience and you won't get
> experience if you don't have a car.
>

Huh?

You can get a state photo ID easily in most states. Same procedure at
getting a driving license, minus the driving and testing. Just show up
with the required documents.

Here is what our state requires
http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=805&q=490078

On 11/10/2015 3:18 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:56:52 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>
>> Most states will issue them for those who do not or can not drive.
>
> You don't get one if you can't drive.

One what?

nancy

On 11/10/2015 12:54 PM, Embudo wrote:
> sf wrote:


>
>> The pyramids were filled with grain?
>
> I don't recall anyone every finding any there, do you?
>

Maybe the papyrus crop failed. Since they had the grain silos built,
why waste them, just bury the kings in them.


Some time back I figured I'd see what he had to offer. Now I see. Bye
bye Ben.

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 7:57:45 AM UTC-10, Embudo wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:59:12 AM UTC-10, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> >> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> >> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> >> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> >> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> >> wants a real turkey too.
> >>
> >> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
> >>
> >> --Bryan
> >
> > I don't see any love or respect. If you actually loved your SIL, you'd laugh this off as just a funny foible of hers. Instead, you whine like a diva because a little sliced meat is not to your liking. It's a lot easier to curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle, ain't it?
> >
> > Oops, I did it again... hit that "Post" button instead of "Discard." Silly me!
> >
> I'm thinking you may have an alter-ego there...
>
> ;-)

The first time was an accident. Perhaps not so, the second...

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:46:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:59:12 AM UTC-10, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> > > I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> > > GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> > > on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> > > way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> > > wants a real turkey too.
> > >
> > > A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
> > >
> > > --Bryan
> >
> > I don't see any love or respect. If you actually loved your SIL, you'd laugh this off as just a funny foible of hers. Instead, you whine like a diva because a little sliced meat is not to your liking. It's a lot easier to curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle, ain't it?
> >
> > Oops, I did it again... hit that "Post" button instead of "Discard." Silly me!
>
> He should go back to his most descriptive nom de plume: Food Snob.
>
> --
>
> sf

More angry than snob.

sf wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:56:52 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>
>> Most states will issue them for those who do not or can not drive.
>
> You don't get one if you can't drive. To drive well enough to pass
> the driving portion of the test (try parallel parking on the first
> pass if you've never done it before, try figuring out a maze of
> traffic signs instructing vehicles if you usually take the bus). To
> pass the test, you need behind the wheel experience and you won't get
> experience if you don't have a car.
>


I'm talking about a state photo id - not a driver's license.

Most states will issue a low cost or even free photo id.

http://www.immihelp.com/newcomer/get...-photo-id.html

http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/

sf wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:54:10 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>
>> If this keeps up the Dems should just run Geraldo.
>
> I thought he's a Republican.
>
Holy schmolly, he was trans-partisan'd?

OMG.

Is Piers Morgan a birther?

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/10/2015 12:54 PM, Embudo wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>
>
>>
>>> The pyramids were filled with grain?
>>
>> I don't recall anyone every finding any there, do you?
>>
>
> Maybe the papyrus crop failed. Since they had the grain silos built,
> why waste them, just bury the kings in them.

It's a thought!

They sure don't look anything like Svaalbard though...

> Some time back I figured I'd see what he had to offer. Now I see. Bye
> bye Ben.

Make a great Surgeon General, but that's it.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 7:57:45 AM UTC-10, Embudo wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:59:12 AM UTC-10, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>>> wants a real turkey too.
>>>>
>>>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>>>>
>>>> --Bryan
>>>
>>> I don't see any love or respect. If you actually loved your SIL, you'd laugh this off as just a funny foible of hers. Instead, you whine like a diva because a little sliced meat is not to your liking. It's a lot easier to curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle, ain't it?
>>>
>>> Oops, I did it again... hit that "Post" button instead of "Discard." Silly me!
>>>
>> I'm thinking you may have an alter-ego there...
>>
>> ;-)
>
> The first time was an accident. Perhaps not so, the second...
>
We're going to have to get you and your doppleganger on better terms!

:-)

On 2015-11-10 12:18 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:02:04 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>
>> Late term abortions are murder, period.
>>
>> Bravo.
>
> Why make a mountain out of a molehill? Lawmakers need to keep their
> big fat noses out of it and stop making laws about medical decisions
> that should be kept between a woman and her doctor. Between the loss
> of women's reproductive rights and more restrictive voting rights,
> this country is turning back the clock.
>


I would not go so far as to call it murder. I do not believe that human
life starts are conception, or when the guy gets the girl's bra
unhooked, but there is a line somewhere along the way. I am not a
doctor and do not even play one on TV, and I am not sure where that line
is, but I am sure that they longer one waits the more likely there are
to have complications. Better access to abortion should avoid the
problem of later term procedures.

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 12:29:02 PM UTC-8, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/10/2015 3:18 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:56:52 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
> >
> >> Most states will issue them for those who do not or can not drive.
> >
> > You don't get one if you can't drive. To drive well enough to pass
> > the driving portion of the test (try parallel parking on the first
> > pass if you've never done it before, try figuring out a maze of
> > traffic signs instructing vehicles if you usually take the bus). To
> > pass the test, you need behind the wheel experience and you won't get
> > experience if you don't have a car.
> >
>
> Huh?
>
> You can get a state photo ID easily in most states. Same procedure at
> getting a driving license, minus the driving and testing. Just show up
> with the required documents.
>
> Here is what our state requires
> http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=805&q=490078

"Easily"?
My mother-in-law couldn't do it, not with the papers she still has
in her possession. She's 97, never needed a drivers licence, and
hasn't worked for decades.
She's been a registered voter since Wendell Wilkie was on the
ballot. Why the hell would she need something extra now?

And none of my grandmother's family have birth certificates. They
were optional, and my great-grandparents didn't see the point.
Imagine having to prove you exist!

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-11-10 12:18 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:02:04 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>>
>>> Late term abortions are murder, period.
>>>
>>> Bravo.
>>
>> Why make a mountain out of a molehill? Lawmakers need to keep their
>> big fat noses out of it and stop making laws about medical decisions
>> that should be kept between a woman and her doctor. Between the loss
>> of women's reproductive rights and more restrictive voting rights,
>> this country is turning back the clock.
>>
>
>
> I would not go so far as to call it murder.

This from the brute who thinks Nigella "asked for it" when her ex choked
in public.


> I do not believe that human
> life starts are conception,

"believe".

You also do not know.

None of us does.

> or when the guy gets the girl's bra
> unhooked, but there is a line somewhere along the way.

Witless rhetoric.

> I am not a
> doctor and do not even play one on TV, and I am not sure where that line
> is, but I am sure that they longer one waits the more likely there are
> to have complications.

No duh!

> Better access to abortion should avoid the
> problem of later term procedures.

Better access to birth control can PREVENT abortions, you dolt!

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 2:27:52 PM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-11-10 12:18 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:02:04 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
> >
> >> Late term abortions are murder, period.
> >>
> >> Bravo.
> >
> > Why make a mountain out of a molehill? Lawmakers need to keep their
> > big fat noses out of it and stop making laws about medical decisions
> > that should be kept between a woman and her doctor. Between the loss
> > of women's reproductive rights and more restrictive voting rights,
> > this country is turning back the clock.
> >
>
>
> I would not go so far as to call it murder. I do not believe that human
> life starts are conception, or when the guy gets the girl's bra
> unhooked, but there is a line somewhere along the way. I am not a
> doctor and do not even play one on TV, and I am not sure where that line
> is, but I am sure that they longer one waits the more likely there are
> to have complications. Better access to abortion should avoid the
> problem of later term procedures.

The chief cause of late term abortions are non-viable fetuses whose
deficits were not visible early on. Why make a woman carry a fetus
to term that will die within minutes after birth? That is cruelty.

wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 12:29:02 PM UTC-8, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 11/10/2015 3:18 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:56:52 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most states will issue them for those who do not or can not drive.
>>>
>>> You don't get one if you can't drive. To drive well enough to pass
>>> the driving portion of the test (try parallel parking on the first
>>> pass if you've never done it before, try figuring out a maze of
>>> traffic signs instructing vehicles if you usually take the bus). To
>>> pass the test, you need behind the wheel experience and you won't get
>>> experience if you don't have a car.
>>>
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> You can get a state photo ID easily in most states. Same procedure at
>> getting a driving license, minus the driving and testing. Just show up
>> with the required documents.
>>
>> Here is what our state requires
>> http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=805&q=490078
>
> "Easily"?
> My mother-in-law couldn't do it, not with the papers she still has
> in her possession. She's 97, never needed a drivers licence, and
> hasn't worked for decades.
> She's been a registered voter since Wendell Wilkie was on the
> ballot. Why the hell would she need something extra now?
>
> And none of my grandmother's family have birth certificates. They
> were optional, and my great-grandparents didn't see the point.
> Imagine having to prove you exist!
>


Since it appears they prefer not to vote - moot answer.

On 2015-11-10 5:36 PM, wrote:

>> I would not go so far as to call it murder. I do not believe that human
>> life starts are conception, or when the guy gets the girl's bra
>> unhooked, but there is a line somewhere along the way. I am not a
>> doctor and do not even play one on TV, and I am not sure where that line
>> is, but I am sure that they longer one waits the more likely there are
>> to have complications. Better access to abortion should avoid the
>> problem of later term procedures.
>
> The chief cause of late term abortions are non-viable fetuses whose
> deficits were not visible early on. Why make a woman carry a fetus
> to term that will die within minutes after birth? That is cruelty.
>



I am not going to argue with that. People tend to want to have kids.
They actually look forward to it, and they generally have the
expectation that the child will be physically and mentally normal. One
way or another, they are going to end up being responsible for the
child. I think it should be up to them to decide if they want to go
ahead and become burdened with a disabled child or if they want to reset
and try again for one that has a better chance at a good life.

On 11/10/2015 5:33 PM, wrote:

>>
>> You can get a state photo ID easily in most states. Same procedure at
>> getting a driving license, minus the driving and testing. Just show up
>> with the required documents.
>>
>> Here is what our state requires
>> http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=805&q=490078
>
> "Easily"?
> My mother-in-law couldn't do it, not with the papers she still has
> in her possession. She's 97, never needed a drivers licence, and
> hasn't worked for decades.
> She's been a registered voter since Wendell Wilkie was on the
> ballot. Why the hell would she need something extra now?
>
> And none of my grandmother's family have birth certificates. They
> were optional, and my great-grandparents didn't see the point.
> Imagine having to prove you exist!
>

I bet if she really wanted to there is a way. The smartest thing
though, if you are going to insist on a photo ID for voting there has to
be some exemptions in situations like your MIL. That is really a small
segment of society. There is a lot of voter fraud and showing some form
of ID to vote is not a burden if you want honest elections.

On 11/10/2015 5:27 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> I do not believe that human
> life starts when the guy gets the girl's bra
> unhooked,

Many teenaged boys would say otherwise.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>I do not believe that human life starts
>>when the guy gets the girl's bra unhooked.
>
>Many teenaged boys would say otherwise.

Actually many teenaged girls would say otherwise.

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:45:14 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:46:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:59:12 AM UTC-10, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> > > > I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> > > > GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> > > > on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> > > > way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> > > > wants a real turkey too.
> > > >
> > > > A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
> > > >
> > > > --Bryan
> > >
> > > I don't see any love or respect. If you actually loved your SIL, you'd laugh this off as just a funny foible of hers. Instead, you whine like a diva because a little sliced meat is not to your liking. It's a lot easier to curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle, ain't it?
> > >
> > > Oops, I did it again... hit that "Post" button instead of "Discard." Silly me!
> >
> > He should go back to his most descriptive nom de plume: Food Snob.
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> More angry than snob.

He fell off the wagon.

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On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:27:04 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> There is a lot of voter fraud and showing some form
> of ID to vote is not a burden if you want honest elections.

A LOT of voter fraud? That's total BS. 37 credible cases out of 1
billion votes isn't enough to merit these jackbooted actions aimed
solely at limiting citizens ability to vote.

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On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:10:30 -0700, Embudo > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:56:52 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
> >
> >> Most states will issue them for those who do not or can not drive.
> >
> > You don't get one if you can't drive. To drive well enough to pass
> > the driving portion of the test (try parallel parking on the first
> > pass if you've never done it before, try figuring out a maze of
> > traffic signs instructing vehicles if you usually take the bus). To
> > pass the test, you need behind the wheel experience and you won't get
> > experience if you don't have a car.
> >
>
>
> I'm talking about a state photo id - not a driver's license.
>
> Most states will issue a low cost or even free photo id.
>
> http://www.immihelp.com/newcomer/get...-photo-id.html
>
> http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/

And where are these places located? Some states have all but
eliminated them in counties that are "problematic" - aka: not
republican enough.

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On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:27:48 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Better access to abortion should avoid the
> problem of later term procedures.

It all starts with better access to birth control.

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On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:36:45 -0700, Embudo > wrote:

> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 12:29:02 PM UTC-8, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> You can get a state photo ID easily in most states. Same procedure at
> >> getting a driving license, minus the driving and testing. Just show up
> >> with the required documents.
> >>
> >> Here is what our state requires
> >> http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=805&q=490078
> >
> > "Easily"?
> > My mother-in-law couldn't do it, not with the papers she still has
> > in her possession. She's 97, never needed a drivers licence, and
> > hasn't worked for decades.
> > She's been a registered voter since Wendell Wilkie was on the
> > ballot. Why the hell would she need something extra now?
> >
> > And none of my grandmother's family have birth certificates. They
> > were optional, and my great-grandparents didn't see the point.
> > Imagine having to prove you exist!
> >
>
>
> Since it appears they prefer not to vote - moot answer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6076536.html

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sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:27:04 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > There is a lot of voter fraud and showing some form
> > of ID to vote is not a burden if you want honest elections.
>
> A LOT of voter fraud? That's total BS. 37 credible cases out of 1
> billion votes isn't enough to merit these jackbooted actions aimed
> solely at limiting citizens ability to vote.

I really do not get the idea that showing some form of ID (even a
current bill stub with your address) is so horrible or disenfranchises
anyone. You can even mail in for a voters registration card and list
all the folks living at your house and get cards back to use to vote
with.

Can you explain how a US citizen can be disenfranchized by having to
show some basic ID? Meantime, I do not get it.

Carol

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sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:10:30 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>
> > sf wrote:
> > > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:56:52 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Most states will issue them for those who do not or can not
> > drive.
> > >
> > > You don't get one if you can't drive. To drive well enough to
> > > pass the driving portion of the test (try parallel parking on the
> > > first pass if you've never done it before, try figuring out a
> > > maze of traffic signs instructing vehicles if you usually take
> > > the bus). To pass the test, you need behind the wheel experience
> > > and you won't get experience if you don't have a car.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I'm talking about a state photo id - not a driver's license.
> >
> > Most states will issue a low cost or even free photo id.
> >
> > http://www.immihelp.com/newcomer/get...se-photo-id.ht
> > ml
> >
> > http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/
>
> And where are these places located? Some states have all but
> eliminated them in counties that are "problematic" - aka: not
> republican enough.

Site please?


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On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:27:04 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
snip
>>
>
>I bet if she really wanted to there is a way. The smartest thing
>though, if you are going to insist on a photo ID for voting there has to
>be some exemptions in situations like your MIL. That is really a small
>segment of society. There is a lot of voter fraud and showing some form
>of ID to vote is not a burden if you want honest elections.

A lot of voter fraud? That cannot be shown with current statistics
from every state. It simply isn't true.
Janet US

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:27:12 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:27:48 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>> Better access to abortion should avoid the
>> problem of later term procedures.
>
>It all starts with better access to birth control.

exactly.
Janet US

"cshenk" > wrote in
:

>> > There is a lot of voter fraud and showing some form
>> > of ID to vote is not a burden if you want honest elections.
>>
>> A LOT of voter fraud? That's total BS. 37 credible cases
>> out of 1 billion votes isn't enough to merit these jackbooted
>> actions aimed solely at limiting citizens ability to vote.
>
> I really do not get the idea that showing some form of ID
> (even a current bill stub with your address) is so horrible or
> disenfranchises anyone. You can even mail in for a voters
> registration card and list all the folks living at your house
> and get cards back to use to vote with.
>
> Can you explain how a US citizen can be disenfranchized by
> having to show some basic ID? Meantime, I do not get it.

Our defunct Conservative gummint tried that by ramming through a
bill titled Fair Elections Act which made it more difficult for
students, the elderly in retirement homes and the homeless to
vote but luckily it backfired. They thought that people without
ID would not be able to vote but people were showing up with
corroborating evidence of their citizenship.

The voter fraud, as usual, was all on the Conservatives' side.
They were charged in three separate schemes, found guilty, and
sentenced in all but one where the party was fined. THEY knew
there was fraud because THEY were the ones doing it.

The Chief Electoral Officer said there were no recorded cases
of systematic voter fraud before October 2005 (the first time
these jackasses got enough seats to form a government).

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Janet B > wrote in
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>>> Better access to abortion should avoid the
>>> problem of later term procedures.
>>
>>It all starts with better access to birth control.
>
> exactly.
> Janet US

And that starts with proper (not judgmental) education.

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Michel Boucher wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> "cshenk" > wrote in
> :
>
> >> > There is a lot of voter fraud and showing some form
> >> > of ID to vote is not a burden if you want honest elections.
> >>
> >> A LOT of voter fraud? That's total BS. 37 credible cases
> >> out of 1 billion votes isn't enough to merit these jackbooted
> >> actions aimed solely at limiting citizens ability to vote.
> >
> > I really do not get the idea that showing some form of ID
> > (even a current bill stub with your address) is so horrible or
> > disenfranchises anyone. You can even mail in for a voters
> > registration card and list all the folks living at your house
> > and get cards back to use to vote with.
> >
> > Can you explain how a US citizen can be disenfranchized by
> > having to show some basic ID? Meantime, I do not get it.
>
> Our defunct Conservative gummint tried that by ramming through a
> bill titled Fair Elections Act which made it more difficult for
> students, the elderly in retirement homes and the homeless to
> vote but luckily it backfired. They thought that people without
> ID would not be able to vote but people were showing up with
> corroborating evidence of their citizenship.
>
> The voter fraud, as usual, was all on the Conservatives' side.
> They were charged in three separate schemes, found guilty, and
> sentenced in all but one where the party was fined. THEY knew
> there was fraud because THEY were the ones doing it.
>
> The Chief Electoral Officer said there were no recorded cases
> of systematic voter fraud before October 2005 (the first time
> these jackasses got enough seats to form a government).
>
> Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Ok, but we see folks saying folks in their 90s cant vote. Um, that's a
state problem becuse by then they are drawing social security so have a
SSN card (or number). THat is one of the 20 or so ways to show
identity.

If your elderly parent lives with you, you just have to be there to
validate the address. It's not an issue.

Now if some states get wierd and require specifics, that is wrong.
Mine is reasonable. Texas seems the only one off set. Maybe they have
more issues with illegal folks there?

Carol

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