I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
wants a real turkey too.

A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.

--Bryan

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 04:59:07 -0800 (PST), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> wrote:

>I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>wants a real turkey too.
>
>A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>
>--Bryan

You think that was a synthetic turkey? Smoked in the grocery store's
smoker or your's, it's still a turkey. But you ARE correct in that
when the grocery store cooks it, you don't necessarally know how the
turkey started out. A real fresh unadulterated non-antibiotic sodden
turkey, or one of those saline injected meat slugs like a Butterball
turkey!

One of the best turkey's I cooked with mny family was an Amish turkey
I got from Starr's, 2 to 3 times the price of the saline injected meat
slugs they sell at grocery stores, but subtley much more delicious.

John Kuthe...

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 08:22:10 -0600, John Kuthe >
wrote:

>On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 04:59:07 -0800 (PST), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> wrote:
>
>>I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>wants a real turkey too.
>>
>>A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>>
>>--Bryan
>
>You think that was a synthetic turkey? Smoked in the grocery store's
>smoker or your's, it's still a turkey. But you ARE correct in that
>when the grocery store cooks it, you don't necessarally know how the
>turkey started out. A real fresh unadulterated non-antibiotic sodden
>turkey, or one of those saline injected meat slugs like a Butterball
>turkey!
>
>One of the best turkey's I cooked with mny family was an Amish turkey
>I got from Starr's, 2 to 3 times the price of the saline injected meat
>slugs they sell at grocery stores, but subtley much more delicious.
>
>John Kuthe...

Plus it's extremely UNgracious of you to sneer at another's gift of a
Thankgiving dinner. Not surprising though, from someone most likely
suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. No empathy, thinks
he's superior to everyone else.

John Kuthe...

On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> wants a real turkey too.
>
> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>
> --Bryan
>

I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
it. For example, I am allergic to fish and I do pass on that. Even so,
I just do not eat it but do not talk about it. If a real roast turkey
is so important to you, perhaps you should offer to take on for the
dinner so your SIL will not have to make one.

MaryL

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:56:00 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 08:22:10 -0600, John Kuthe >
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 04:59:07 -0800 (PST), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> >>GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> >>on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> >>way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> >>wants a real turkey too.
> >>
> >>A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
> >>
> >>--Bryan
> >
> >You think that was a synthetic turkey? Smoked in the grocery store's
> >smoker or your's, it's still a turkey. But you ARE correct in that
> >when the grocery store cooks it, you don't necessarally know how the
> >turkey started out. A real fresh unadulterated non-antibiotic sodden
> >turkey, or one of those saline injected meat slugs like a Butterball
> >turkey!
> >
> >One of the best turkey's I cooked with mny family was an Amish turkey
> >I got from Starr's, 2 to 3 times the price of the saline injected meat
> >slugs they sell at grocery stores, but subtley much more delicious.
> >
> >John Kuthe...
>
> Plus it's extremely UNgracious of you to sneer at another's gift of a
> Thankgiving dinner. Not surprising though, from someone most likely
> suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. No empathy, thinks
> he's superior to everyone else.
>
> John Kuthe...

Well, look at it this way - as nasty as he is, he still got invited to Thanksgiving. What are you and your hand planning for the holiday?

MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> wants a real turkey too.

Well then buck up and BUY your own turkey, you insufferably ungrateful
sponger!

> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>
> --Bryan

Which is more than you GODDAMN Deserve!

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 08:22:10 -0600, John Kuthe >
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 04:59:07 -0800 (PST), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>> wants a real turkey too.
>>>
>>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>> You think that was a synthetic turkey? Smoked in the grocery store's
>> smoker or your's, it's still a turkey. But you ARE correct in that
>> when the grocery store cooks it, you don't necessarally know how the
>> turkey started out. A real fresh unadulterated non-antibiotic sodden
>> turkey, or one of those saline injected meat slugs like a Butterball
>> turkey!
>>
>> One of the best turkey's I cooked with mny family was an Amish turkey
>> I got from Starr's, 2 to 3 times the price of the saline injected meat
>> slugs they sell at grocery stores, but subtley much more delicious.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> Plus it's extremely UNgracious of you to sneer at another's gift of a
> Thankgiving dinner. Not surprising though, from someone most likely
> suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. No empathy, thinks
> he's superior to everyone else.
>
> John Kuthe...
>
+1

MaryL wrote:
> On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>> wants a real turkey too.
>>
>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>>
>> --Bryan
>>
>
> I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
> dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
> about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
> this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
> it. For example, I am allergic to fish and I do pass on that. Even so,
> I just do not eat it but do not talk about it. If a real roast turkey
> is so important to you, perhaps you should offer to take on for the
> dinner so your SIL will not have to make one.
>
> MaryL
>
+1

wrote:
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:56:00 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 08:22:10 -0600, John Kuthe >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 04:59:07 -0800 (PST), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>>> wants a real turkey too.
>>>>
>>>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>>>>
>>>> --Bryan
>>>
>>> You think that was a synthetic turkey? Smoked in the grocery store's
>>> smoker or your's, it's still a turkey. But you ARE correct in that
>>> when the grocery store cooks it, you don't necessarally know how the
>>> turkey started out. A real fresh unadulterated non-antibiotic sodden
>>> turkey, or one of those saline injected meat slugs like a Butterball
>>> turkey!
>>>
>>> One of the best turkey's I cooked with mny family was an Amish turkey
>>> I got from Starr's, 2 to 3 times the price of the saline injected meat
>>> slugs they sell at grocery stores, but subtley much more delicious.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> Plus it's extremely UNgracious of you to sneer at another's gift of a
>> Thankgiving dinner. Not surprising though, from someone most likely
>> suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. No empathy, thinks
>> he's superior to everyone else.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> Well, look at it this way - as nasty as he is, he still got invited to Thanksgiving. What are you and your hand planning for the holiday?
>
+1000!

On 11/9/2015 10:28 AM, MaryL wrote:
> On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>> wants a real turkey too.
>>
>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>>
>> --Bryan
>>
>
> I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
> dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
> about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
> this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
> it. For example, I am allergic to fish and I do pass on that. Even so,
> I just do not eat it but do not talk about it. If a real roast turkey
> is so important to you, perhaps you should offer to take on for the
> dinner so your SIL will not have to make one.
>
> MaryL
>
There ya go. I see absolutely no reason to accept an invitation if he
doesn't like what she's going to serve. Make your own turkey, don't
complain about free food that hasn't even happened yet.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/9/2015 10:28 AM, MaryL wrote:
>> On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>> wants a real turkey too.
>>>
>>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>>
>>
>> I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
>> dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
>> about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
>> this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
>> it. For example, I am allergic to fish and I do pass on that. Even so,
>> I just do not eat it but do not talk about it. If a real roast turkey
>> is so important to you, perhaps you should offer to take on for the
>> dinner so your SIL will not have to make one.
>>
>> MaryL
>>
> There ya go. I see absolutely no reason to accept an invitation if he
> doesn't like what she's going to serve. Make your own turkey, don't
> complain about free food that hasn't even happened yet.
>
> Jill


Self centered people tend to do self centered things.

On 11/9/2015 10:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/9/2015 10:28 AM, MaryL wrote:
>> On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>> wants a real turkey too.

So you're teaching your son bad manners? That should serve him
well in life.

>> I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
>> dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
>> about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
>> this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
>> it. For example, I am allergic to fish and I do pass on that. Even so,
>> I just do not eat it but do not talk about it. If a real roast turkey
>> is so important to you, perhaps you should offer to take on for the
>> dinner so your SIL will not have to make one.

> There ya go. I see absolutely no reason to accept an invitation if he
> doesn't like what she's going to serve. Make your own turkey, don't
> complain about free food that hasn't even happened yet.

I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
I like it, I'll make my own.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> On 11/9/2015 10:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 11/9/2015 10:28 AM, MaryL wrote:
>>> On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>>> wants a real turkey too.
>
> So you're teaching your son bad manners? That should serve him
> well in life.

Ever wonder why cycles of abuse perpetuate themselves in human affairs?

>
>>> I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
>>> dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
>>> about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
>>> this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
>>> it. For example, I am allergic to fish and I do pass on that. Even so,
>>> I just do not eat it but do not talk about it. If a real roast turkey
>>> is so important to you, perhaps you should offer to take on for the
>>> dinner so your SIL will not have to make one.
>
>> There ya go. I see absolutely no reason to accept an invitation if he
>> doesn't like what she's going to serve. Make your own turkey, don't
>> complain about free food that hasn't even happened yet.
>
> I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
> and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
> I like it, I'll make my own.
>
> nancy
>

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 4:59:12 AM UTC-8, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> wants a real turkey too.
>
> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>
> --Bryan

Quick, go to the store and buy some thighs and drumsticks before they
disappear. Or a real turkey breast. Pop them in the freezer for
T-Day.

Then roast them in the oven and bring them with you. Say you and
your family have blood pressure issues, or are allergic to woodsmoke.

Problem solved.

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 07:34:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:56:00 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 08:22:10 -0600, John Kuthe >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 04:59:07 -0800 (PST), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>> >>GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>> >>on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>> >>way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>> >>wants a real turkey too.
>> >>
>> >>A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>> >>
>> >>--Bryan
>> >
>> >You think that was a synthetic turkey? Smoked in the grocery store's
>> >smoker or your's, it's still a turkey. But you ARE correct in that
>> >when the grocery store cooks it, you don't necessarally know how the
>> >turkey started out. A real fresh unadulterated non-antibiotic sodden
>> >turkey, or one of those saline injected meat slugs like a Butterball
>> >turkey!
>> >
>> >One of the best turkey's I cooked with mny family was an Amish turkey
>> >I got from Starr's, 2 to 3 times the price of the saline injected meat
>> >slugs they sell at grocery stores, but subtley much more delicious.
>> >
>> >John Kuthe...
>>
>> Plus it's extremely UNgracious of you to sneer at another's gift of a
>> Thankgiving dinner. Not surprising though, from someone most likely
>> suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. No empathy, thinks
>> he's superior to everyone else.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>Well, look at it this way - as nasty as he is, he still got invited to Thanksgiving. What are you and your hand planning for the holiday?

I was invited to MY family's Thanksgiving too. I'm making and being my
Majical Garlic Potatoes (they were requested!) and I'm sure most of
not all the oither dishes being made and served will be wonderfully
delicious. I have some great cookers in my family, and *I* don't sneer
haughtily at their efforts as Bryan seems to do to his family's
efforts. That is a sign/symptom of his probable Narcissistic
Personality Disorder.

John Kuthe...

OBRecipe:

It's a recipe from a local restaurant that I got in a newsletter years
ago. I'll give you my slightly modified version:

5 lbs potatoes

4 cups 40% cream

2 heads of fresh garlic (not the stuff in jars!)

1 tsp salt

1 tsp white pepper (black pepper works too, but makes black specks in
the sauce!)

Gruyere swiss cheese


Peel (optional I suppose) and slice up the potatoes into chunk slices
about 1/4 inch thick. Peel and mince the garlic, and I pare that
little green plant out of the middle of each clove (A PITA, but it's
kinda fun too!)

In a large pot, put the potato pieces, the cream, the garlic and the
salt and pepper and bring to a gentle boil for about 10-15 mins. Thin
with a little milk to make it easy to stir.

Then pour into a shallow baking pan like a lasagna pan, and grate
Gruyere cheese on top. Bake at 350F for 40 mins or into until the
Gruyere gets light golden brown.

Let sit for 30 mins after baking, and enjoy!

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:28:23 -0600, MaryL >
wrote:

>On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>> wants a real turkey too.
>>
>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>>
>> --Bryan
>>
>
>I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
>dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
>about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
>this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
>it.
....

Exactly, it is very impolite to reject and sneer at someone else's
cooking the way Bryan does. That behavior is a sign of his probable
Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

John Kuthe...

On 11/9/2015 11:07 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 11/9/2015 10:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 11/9/2015 10:28 AM, MaryL wrote:
>>> On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>>> wants a real turkey too.
>
> So you're teaching your son bad manners? That should serve him
> well in life.
>
>>> I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
>>> dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
>>> about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
>>> this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
>>> it. For example, I am allergic to fish and I do pass on that. Even so,
>>> I just do not eat it but do not talk about it. If a real roast turkey
>>> is so important to you, perhaps you should offer to take on for the
>>> dinner so your SIL will not have to make one.
>
>> There ya go. I see absolutely no reason to accept an invitation if he
>> doesn't like what she's going to serve. Make your own turkey, don't
>> complain about free food that hasn't even happened yet.
>
> I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
> and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
> I like it, I'll make my own.
>
> nancy
>
I'm sure some folks remember my posting about when my brother and I were
roommates in the 1980's. He decided to smoke the turkey for
Thanksgiving. I don't like smoked turkey. (It was my fault, though, I
bought him the smoker as a gift.) Well, he went out and got completely
lit the night before. He came home around 3:30 AM and had to get up at
6AM to start the wood in the smoker. The turkey was supposed to tend to
itself... or so he thought. Turned out to be the coldest day on record
that year. It wouldn't stay lit. 12 hours or so later... maybe finally
done.

I'm sure if you like smoked turkey it was fine. I did not like it a
bit. I found it difficult to use the leftovers, too. I'm not a fan of
turkey but give me roasted turkey vs. smoked turkey any day. Creamed
smoked turkey just didn't cut it. Sandwiches were okay but I still
don't like smoked turkey.

Jill

MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>
> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> wants a real turkey too.
>
> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.

But...have you ever had one? It might be good? :-o

Personally, I love cooking *the works* on T-Day. I wouldn't want any
premade things.

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:43:48 AM UTC-6, Embudo wrote:
> MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> > I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> > GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> > on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> > way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> > wants a real turkey too.
>
> Well then buck up and BUY your own turkey, you insufferably ungrateful
> sponger!
>
> > A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
> >
> > --Bryan
>
> Which is more than you GODDAMN Deserve!

HAHA! I got you to break the 4th Commandment.

--Bryan

MisterDiddyWahDiddy blew:

> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> wants a real turkey too.
>
> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.


Fixed yer subject line there, Butch...


--
Best
Greg

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 08:59:52 -0700, Embudo > wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
> > On 11/9/2015 10:28 AM, MaryL wrote:
> >> On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> >>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> >>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> >>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> >>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> >>> wants a real turkey too.
> >>>
> >>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
> >>>
> >>> --Bryan
> >>>
> >>
> >> I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
> >> dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
> >> about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
> >> this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
> >> it. For example, I am allergic to fish and I do pass on that. Even so,
> >> I just do not eat it but do not talk about it. If a real roast turkey
> >> is so important to you, perhaps you should offer to take on for the
> >> dinner so your SIL will not have to make one.
> >>
> >> MaryL
> >>
> > There ya go. I see absolutely no reason to accept an invitation if he
> > doesn't like what she's going to serve. Make your own turkey, don't
> > complain about free food that hasn't even happened yet.
> >
> > Jill
>
>
> Self centered people tend to do self centered things.

He could always smoke one and offer to bring it over for Thanksgiving.
Personally, I liked what I made which was a 10-12 bird done in two
hours over offset coals. Plenty smoky and juicy too.

--

sf

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:07:12 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
> and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
> I like it, I'll make my own.

I stopped doing it because hubby didn't like it to begin with and I
didn't like the leftovers. I still think about it though. Maybe I'll
buy a thigh and smoke that the way I used to do the whole bird.

--

sf

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:07:12 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 11/9/2015 10:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 11/9/2015 10:28 AM, MaryL wrote:
>>> On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>>> wants a real turkey too.
>
>So you're teaching your son bad manners? That should serve him
>well in life.
>
>>> I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
>>> dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
>>> about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
>>> this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
>>> it. For example, I am allergic to fish and I do pass on that. Even so,
>>> I just do not eat it but do not talk about it. If a real roast turkey
>>> is so important to you, perhaps you should offer to take on for the
>>> dinner so your SIL will not have to make one.
>
>> There ya go. I see absolutely no reason to accept an invitation if he
>> doesn't like what she's going to serve. Make your own turkey, don't
>> complain about free food that hasn't even happened yet.
>
>I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
>and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
>I like it, I'll make my own.
>
>nancy

Knowing this far in advance a gentleman would offer to roast and bring
a turkey... than everyone would have a choice of smoked turkey and
Bwrrryan's Walmart turkey imported from China.

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 12:13:40 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>
>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>> wants a real turkey too.
>>
>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>
>But...have you ever had one? It might be good? :-o
>
>Personally, I love cooking *the works* on T-Day. I wouldn't want any
>premade things.

Best apple wood smoked turkey I ever had was one my Ex's alcoholic
father made years ago!! YUM!!

John Kuthe...

MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:43:48 AM UTC-6, Embudo wrote:
>> MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>> wants a real turkey too.
>>
>> Well then buck up and BUY your own turkey, you insufferably ungrateful
>> sponger!
>>
>>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>> Which is more than you GODDAMN Deserve!
>
> HAHA! I got you to break the 4th Commandment.
>
> --Bryan
>

I've fractured a few more in my days, and will again, lol!

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:07:12 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
>> and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
>> I like it, I'll make my own.
>
> I stopped doing it because hubby didn't like it to begin with and I
> didn't like the leftovers. I still think about it though. Maybe I'll
> buy a thigh and smoke that the way I used to do the whole bird.
>

If you do so I recommend brining it first, then glazing with maple
syrup, and of course using maple chips in the smoker.

Some tasty stuff, if you're into maple.

And no the taste isn't cloying at all, it melds well with the turkey.

http://www.finecooking.com/recipes/m...ed-turkey.aspx

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 12:13:40 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>>
>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>> wants a real turkey too.
>>>
>>> A SMOKED turkey is GOD DAMNED halfway to GOD DAMNED LUNCH MEAT.
>>
>> But...have you ever had one? It might be good? :-o
>>
>> Personally, I love cooking *the works* on T-Day. I wouldn't want any
>> premade things.
>
> Best apple wood smoked turkey I ever had was one my Ex's alcoholic
> father made years ago!! YUM!!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

They were both toasted, how nice...

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:13:13 PM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:07:12 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
> >On 11/9/2015 10:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 11/9/2015 10:28 AM, MaryL wrote:
> >>> On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> >>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
> >>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
> >>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
> >>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
> >>>> wants a real turkey too.
> >
> >So you're teaching your son bad manners? That should serve him
> >well in life.
> >
> >>> I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
> >>> dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
> >>> about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
> >>> this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
> >>> it. For example, I am allergic to fish and I do pass on that. Even so,
> >>> I just do not eat it but do not talk about it. If a real roast turkey
> >>> is so important to you, perhaps you should offer to take on for the
> >>> dinner so your SIL will not have to make one.
> >
> >> There ya go. I see absolutely no reason to accept an invitation if he
> >> doesn't like what she's going to serve. Make your own turkey, don't
> >> complain about free food that hasn't even happened yet.
> >
> >I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
> >and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
> >I like it, I'll make my own.
> >
> >nancy
>
> Knowing this far in advance a gentleman would offer to roast and bring
> a turkey...
>
They live 30+ minutes away. That wouldn't be practical.

> than everyone would have a choice of smoked turkey and
> Bwrrryan's Walmart turkey imported from China.

Dumbass Sheldon, the USA is an exporter of turkeys *to* China, and we do not
import any significant amount of poultry. Your WalMart turkeys are hatched,
raised and processed in the USA.

"The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer, followed by the European Union. Even though exports are a major component of U.S. turkey use, the United States consumes more turkey per capita than any other country."
source-- http://www.farm-equipment.com/articl...n-thanksgiving

--Bryan

MisterDiddyWahDiddy > wrote in
:

> The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer

As evidenced by the current Republican lineup. All gobble, no
substance.

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you have chosen the side of the oppressor " --
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MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:13:13 PM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:07:12 -0500, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/9/2015 10:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 11/9/2015 10:28 AM, MaryL wrote:
>>>>> On 11/9/2015 6:59 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>>>>> I love my SIL. She is very nice, and has a great sense of humor, but
>>>>>> GOD DAMN IT, serving a SMOKED turkey from the GOD DAMNED grocery store
>>>>>> on GOD DAMNED Thanksgiving is completely unacceptable. There is no
>>>>>> way that I am sitting at a table with that crappy turkey, and my son
>>>>>> wants a real turkey too.
>>>
>>> So you're teaching your son bad manners? That should serve him
>>> well in life.
>>>
>>>>> I would be disappointed if smoked turkey were served for Thanksgiving
>>>>> dinner (although I enjoy it for lunches), but I would never say anything
>>>>> about it. If someone invites me for Thanksgiving dinner (as they have
>>>>> this year), the only way I would reject anything is if I am allergic to
>>>>> it. For example, I am allergic to fish and I do pass on that. Even so,
>>>>> I just do not eat it but do not talk about it. If a real roast turkey
>>>>> is so important to you, perhaps you should offer to take on for the
>>>>> dinner so your SIL will not have to make one.
>>>
>>>> There ya go. I see absolutely no reason to accept an invitation if he
>>>> doesn't like what she's going to serve. Make your own turkey, don't
>>>> complain about free food that hasn't even happened yet.
>>>
>>> I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
>>> and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
>>> I like it, I'll make my own.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> Knowing this far in advance a gentleman would offer to roast and bring
>> a turkey...
>>
> They live 30+ minutes away. That wouldn't be practical.

Are you insane?

Moot question.

There's this thing they make called a "cooler" - you cn also uise it to
transport a large bird, fully cooked!

Who knew?


>> than everyone would have a choice of smoked turkey and
>> Bwrrryan's Walmart turkey imported from China.
>
> Dumbass Sheldon, the USA is an exporter of turkeys *to* China,

Good!

> and we do not import any significant amount of poultry.

But we do still import:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0JM1YY20141208

The United States has suspended imports of live and raw poultry from the
Canadian province of British Columbia due to an outbreak of bird flu
virus, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's chief veterinary officer
told Reuters on Monday.

The restrictions began on Dec. 4, the same day that Canada identified
the virus as a "highly pathogenic" H5N2 strain, said John Clifford, the
USDA's chief veterinarian.

"It's a temporary ban," Clifford said in a telephone interview, adding
that the ban will likely last several months.

Canada and Chile are the two biggest suppliers of imported poultry to
the United States, said Tom Super, spokesman for the National Chicken
Council in Washington, D.C., while noting that 99 percent of the chicken
eaten in the United States is hatched, raised and processed in the country.


> Your WalMart turkeys are hatched,
> raised and processed in the USA.

Not for long though:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/31/bu...o-us.html?_r=0

The Department of Agriculture on Friday approved four Chinese poultry
processors to begin shipping a limited amount of meat to the United
States, a move that is likely to add to the debate over food imports.

Initially, the companies will be allowed to export only cooked poultry
products from birds raised in the United States and Canada. But critics
predicted that the government would eventually expand the rules, so that
chickens and turkeys bred in China could end up in the American market.

“This is the first step towards allowing China to export its own
domestic chickens to the U.S.,” said Tony Corbo, the senior lobbyist for
Food and Water Watch, an advocacy group that works to promote food safety.

http://www.meatpoultry.com/articles/...5CF02%7D&cck=1

In 2004, China asked USDA to audit its processing plants so poultry
could be exported, according to the agency. In 2009, the US Congress
lifted a ban on Chinese-processed poultry. After a final audit of
China’s plants in March, USDA agreed in August that China’s facilities
were equivalent to those in the US. According to the agreement, chicken
sent to China for processing must be raised and slaughtered in either
the US or Canada, and all poultry must be fully cooked at least 165.2°F
before being delivered back to the US for consumption. USDA inspections
will take place at US borders, while agency auditors will audit China’s
poultry processing system annually.

> "The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer, followed by the European Union. Even though exports are a major component of U.S. turkey use, the United States consumes more turkey per capita than any other country."
> source-- http://www.farm-equipment.com/articl...n-thanksgiving
>
> --Bryan

Michel Boucher wrote:
> MisterDiddyWahDiddy > wrote in
> :
>
>> The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer
>
> As evidenced by the current Republican lineup. All gobble, no
> substance.
>
Mind your own Frenchy beeswax, you tundra-jumping misanthrope!

On 11/9/2015 6:20 PM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:13:13 PM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:07:12 -0500, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:

>>> I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
>>> and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
>>> I like it, I'll make my own.

>> Knowing this far in advance a gentleman would offer to roast and bring
>> a turkey...
>>
> They live 30+ minutes away. That wouldn't be practical.

I brought a roasted turkey to my parent's place a number of years.
It has to rest before carving, it rested in my back seat for the
40 minute ride.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> On 11/9/2015 6:20 PM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:13:13 PM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:07:12 -0500, Nancy Young
>>> > wrote:
>
>>>> I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
>>>> and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
>>>> I like it, I'll make my own.
>
>>> Knowing this far in advance a gentleman would offer to roast and bring
>>> a turkey...
>>>
>> They live 30+ minutes away. That wouldn't be practical.
>
> I brought a roasted turkey to my parent's place a number of years.
> It has to rest before carving, it rested in my back seat for the
> 40 minute ride.
>
> nancy
>
Well at least it wasn't having sex back there!

%-)

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:52:21 -0700, Embudo > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:07:12 -0500, Nancy Young
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
> >> and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
> >> I like it, I'll make my own.
> >
> > I stopped doing it because hubby didn't like it to begin with and I
> > didn't like the leftovers. I still think about it though. Maybe I'll
> > buy a thigh and smoke that the way I used to do the whole bird.
> >
>
> If you do so I recommend brining it first, then glazing with maple
> syrup, and of course using maple chips in the smoker.
>
> Some tasty stuff, if you're into maple.
>
> And no the taste isn't cloying at all, it melds well with the turkey.
>
> http://www.finecooking.com/recipes/m...ed-turkey.aspx

Not into brining, but a thigh is small. Thanks.

--

sf

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:33:23 -0600, Michel Boucher
> wrote:

> MisterDiddyWahDiddy > wrote in
> :
>
> > The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer
>
> As evidenced by the current Republican lineup. All gobble, no
> substance.

LOL

--

sf

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:52:21 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:07:12 -0500, Nancy Young
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't like a lot of smoked foods, either, that's why I'd eat sides
>>>> and be happy with that. If I'm desperate for a turkey made the way
>>>> I like it, I'll make my own.
>>>
>>> I stopped doing it because hubby didn't like it to begin with and I
>>> didn't like the leftovers. I still think about it though. Maybe I'll
>>> buy a thigh and smoke that the way I used to do the whole bird.
>>>
>>
>> If you do so I recommend brining it first, then glazing with maple
>> syrup, and of course using maple chips in the smoker.
>>
>> Some tasty stuff, if you're into maple.
>>
>> And no the taste isn't cloying at all, it melds well with the turkey.
>>
>> http://www.finecooking.com/recipes/m...ed-turkey.aspx
>
> Not into brining, but a thigh is small. Thanks.
>

Tis indeed, and should retain ample moisture from its own juices.

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:33:23 -0600, Michel Boucher
> > wrote:
>
>> MisterDiddyWahDiddy > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer
>>
>> As evidenced by the current Republican lineup. All gobble, no
>> substance.
>
> LOL
>
Plenty of substance in Gov. Kasich.

No joke.

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:38:15 -0700, Embudo > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:33:23 -0600, Michel Boucher
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> MisterDiddyWahDiddy > wrote in
> >> :
> >>
> >>> The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer
> >>
> >> As evidenced by the current Republican lineup. All gobble, no
> >> substance.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> Plenty of substance in Gov. Kasich.
>
> No joke.

He and Jeb seem to be the only republican candidates worth any
consideration... and I like him better than Jeb. I like Martin
O'Malley too.

--

sf

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:29:49 PM UTC-8, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:38:15 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>
> > sf wrote:
> > > On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:33:23 -0600, Michel Boucher
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> MisterDiddyWahDiddy > wrote in
> > >> :
> > >>
> > >>> The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer
> > >>
> > >> As evidenced by the current Republican lineup. All gobble, no
> > >> substance.
> > >
> > > LOL
> > >
> > Plenty of substance in Gov. Kasich.
> >
> > No joke.
>
> He and Jeb seem to be the only republican candidates worth any
> consideration... and I like him better than Jeb. I like Martin
> O'Malley too.
>

I don't know if this is important to you, but Kasich has yet to meet
an abortion restriction he wouldn't sign into law:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-rights-record

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:38:15 -0700, Embudo > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:33:23 -0600, Michel Boucher
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> MisterDiddyWahDiddy > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> The United States is by far the world's largest turkey producer
>>>>
>>>> As evidenced by the current Republican lineup. All gobble, no
>>>> substance.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>> Plenty of substance in Gov. Kasich.
>>
>> No joke.
>
> He and Jeb seem to be the only republican candidates worth any
> consideration... and I like him better than Jeb.

He's an unabashed centrist, a very good thing.

Jeb was an equally effective governor, he just carries the wrong name.

> I like Martin O'Malley too.

As a person yes, I do to. He seems very genuine and serious about his
goals - a great many of which are inconsistent for a center-left candidate.

http://ballotpedia.org/Martin_O%27Ma...campaign,_2016

More enforcement of the right to vote Strongly Favors

Stimulus better than market-led recovery Favors

Privatize Social Security Favors

Never legalize marijuana Strongly Favors

Stricter punishment reduces crime Opposes

Legally require hiring women & minorities Favors

Absolute right to gun ownership Strongly Opposes


As a tax and spender, not so much what we need or can even begin to afford:

http://ballotpedia.org/Martin_O%27Ma...campaign,_2016

As two-term governor of Maryland, Martin O'Malley pushed for tax
increases to fund his priorities such as investment in education and to
prevent cuts due to the downturn in the broader national economy at the
time.[42] Taxes and fees raised under O'Malley's watch included a
three-year surcharge on the income of the state’s millionaires that
expired in 2011. In 2012, lawmakers increased the personal income tax
rate for residents who make more than $100,000 or couples who make more
than $150,000. The state sales tax was raised to six percent from five
percent in 2007. [43]
In 2013, O'Malley signed House Bill 1515, which raised the gas tax.[44]
In 2012, the Cato Institute gave O’Malley a fiscal policy grade of "D."
According to the report, "In 2011 and 2012, he raised "income taxes,
alcohol taxes, hospital taxes, and tobacco taxes. ...For singles earning
more than $100,000 and couples earning more than $150,000, the top
income tax rate was raised to 5.75 percent. Local taxes in Maryland
bring the total top income tax rate to 8.95 percent. O’Malley’s
legislation also reduced personal exemptions under the income tax."[45]
According to the Cato Institute, "In his first year as governor,
O’Malley signed a $1.4 billion package of tax increases. It included
increases in corporate taxes, personal income taxes, sales taxes, and
cigarette taxes."[45]

On ethics I give him a pass on the furniture, but wonder why the
campaign-funded road wasn't a bigger issue:

Ethics
In late August 2015, The Baltimore Sun reported a Maryland ethics
commission might investigate whether Martin O'Malley followed proper
procedure when he left the governor’s mansion and purchased $62,000
worth of its furniture for less than $10,000 from the state.[124]
O’Malley responded to inquiries into his purchase of discounted
furniture from the governor’s mansion on September 6, 2015, saying he
and his family he had “followed the rules as they were laid out to us.”[125]
According to Washington Times reporter Tom LoBianco, O'Malley and
Baltimore County Executive Jim Smith "secured more than $28 million to
build a highway interchange leading to a road serving a commercial
property owned by one of their largest campaign donors," Edward St.
John. St. John was "fined $55,000 by the state prosecutors office for
donating more than $25,000 through his company’s vice presidents to Mr.
O’Malley and Mr. Smith during the last election."[126]