On 2015-11-14 8:17 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 23:27:34 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>> My wife just mentioned today she wants a new one sooner rather than
>> later.. It seems she's been looking at the ads.... I had planned on
>> getting rid of our current car in about 2 and a half years time. It will
>> be about 8 years old then and, as far as I am concerned, past its use by
>> date. So, the question remains, when.....
>
> Longest I had a car was 14 years. My wife no longer drives as she used
> to get mi car when I got a new one.

We just scrapped my mother's 1997 Buick. I had wanted to replace it for
a few years but the old think just would not die. I was costing me $500
to $1000 per year for repairs. That was cheaper than buying a new car.
The engine was running great and had excellent mileage. It was an
expensive car when my parents bought it but it lasted 18 years.


>
> The last few I swapped out when they were ready for routine, but
> expensive maintenance. Tires, brakes, serpentine belt, etc. Traded
> them at about 70,000 miles. The last couple I bought exactly what I
> wanted figuring it may be my last car. I hope to have a couple more
> "last cars" though.
>

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 5:43:53 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I did forget to mention that modern cars are a lot safer.
>
> The safe (or not) factor with any car is the driver. Main rule to
> surviving is to always assume that the other drivers will break the
> rules.

You won't ever be disappointed by assuming that other drivers are total ****-ups.

On 2015-11-14 8:53 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

> That's tricky. I don't want to act like I'm in charge of the money,
> at the same time, No new car yet! I know once this one's 5 I won't
> have a prayer of holding out against a new one.
>
> Of course, we just keep one car, so if that one starts having any
> issues, it's a pain in the neck.

I was trying for years to buy my wife a new car. She liked my mother's
old Buick. It was in good shape and needed the occasional repair. My
mechanic kept telling me that it was getting pretty rusty down below.
Back in the spring I took it in for a leaking fuel line. He call me me
up and said that he knew I had wanted to replace that car for some
time.... and it was time. The front end was falling apart. My wife
thought the mechanic and I had colluded on that as an excuse to replace
it. After 18 years that car owed us nothing.

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 5:47:23 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 1:46:34 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> "Xeno" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On 14/11/2015 8:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >>>> Amen to that but I still would never buy a driverless car. I could
> >> >>>> never trust it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Me either. I want to drive my own vehicle and I also don't want one
> >> >>> with all the bells and whistles so I hope my 2004 lasts for my
> >> >>> lifetime.
> >> >>
> >> >> Me neither! I hope mine lasts too. I don't want to change mine for
> >> >> anything!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > I hope to outlast my next 10 cars.
> >>
> >> <g> I've had plenty of fancy cars in my life and now I am very happy
> >> with
> >> the one I have. I answers all my needs
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >
> > I enjoyed the cars I had during the late 70's and 80's. Mostly because
> > they were over 1000 lb lighter than the cars of today, around 1700 to 2200
> > lbs. Heck, my 67 Plymouth Barracuda with V8 weighed about the same as a
> > modern Toyota Corolla - 2800 lbs. OTOH, modern cars are a lot more
> > comfortable.
>
>
> Well, you know what I have now (if you remember) and it is fine comfortable
> enough for me)
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

If there's anything that I can remember about a person, it's the kind of car they drive. My Dodge Colt was made by Mitsubishi Motors too. I always thought that was cool because it was their planes that attacked my town. Hee hee.

On 2015-11-14 10:44 AM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I did forget to mention that modern cars are a lot safer.
>
> The safe (or not) factor with any car is the driver. Main rule to
> surviving is to always assume that the other drivers will break the
> rules.
>

Drivers have not changed as much as automotive manufacturing has. Cars
used to be made with a heavy frame into which the body, engine and drive
train were mounted. They they are unit body constructed with shaped
metal replacing the frame, and they are designed to crumple on impact
which acts to slow down moving bodies and eliminating large sharp pieces
of metal. There are mandated seat belts and air bags. Cars can be
involved in in much more brutal crashes and people walk away unhurt
instead of leaving corpses.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 5:47:23 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 1:46:34 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> "Xeno" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On 14/11/2015 8:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> Amen to that but I still would never buy a driverless car. I
>> >> >>>> could
>> >> >>>> never trust it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Me either. I want to drive my own vehicle and I also don't want
>> >> >>> one
>> >> >>> with all the bells and whistles so I hope my 2004 lasts for my
>> >> >>> lifetime.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Me neither! I hope mine lasts too. I don't want to change mine
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> anything!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > I hope to outlast my next 10 cars.
>> >>
>> >> <g> I've had plenty of fancy cars in my life and now I am very happy
>> >> with
>> >> the one I have. I answers all my needs
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>> >
>> > I enjoyed the cars I had during the late 70's and 80's. Mostly because
>> > they were over 1000 lb lighter than the cars of today, around 1700 to
>> > 2200
>> > lbs. Heck, my 67 Plymouth Barracuda with V8 weighed about the same as a
>> > modern Toyota Corolla - 2800 lbs. OTOH, modern cars are a lot more
>> > comfortable.
>>
>>
>> Well, you know what I have now (if you remember) and it is fine
>> comfortable
>> enough for me)
>
> If there's anything that I can remember about a person, it's the kind of
> car they drive. My Dodge Colt was made by Mitsubishi Motors too. I always
> thought that was cool because it was their planes that attacked my town.
> Hee hee.

Oh blimey!!!



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 11/14/2015 10:44 AM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I did forget to mention that modern cars are a lot safer.
>
> The safe (or not) factor with any car is the driver. Main rule to
> surviving is to always assume that the other drivers will break the
> rules.
>

Except for when you have no control over what happens. People are
killed and injured when stopped at traffic lights or at a toll booth.
Your only hop is the structure of your car.

Some years ago I was the third owner of a car that was involved in seven
accidents in its life. In every case, the car was stopped. Three times
it was not occupied.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> I am saying that I will be happy if my current car is my last ... but if
> this doesn't last, would want another just like it.

BTW...I don't think I ever said anything but I really liked the pic of
your car. I could be happy with one of those, for sure!

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> I am saying that I will be happy if my current car is my last ... but if
>> this doesn't last, would want another just like it.
>
> BTW...I don't think I ever said anything but I really liked the pic of
> your car. I could be happy with one of those, for sure!

Thank you)

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2015-11-14 12:11 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> The safe (or not) factor with any car is the driver. Main rule to
>> surviving is to always assume that the other drivers will break the
>> rules.
>>
>
> Except for when you have no control over what happens. People are
> killed and injured when stopped at traffic lights or at a toll booth.
> Your only hop is the structure of your car.
>
> Some years ago I was the third owner of a car that was involved in seven
> accidents in its life. In every case, the car was stopped. Three times
> it was not occupied.

When I first met my wife she had a red Karmen Ghia that was jinxed.
Someone backed into it the first day she had it, and it was backed into
another time. She and I both had fenderbenders in that car. We sold it
to a guy that I knew from high school and in less than a month it was
totalled when a cement truck ran into it.

On 11/14/2015 2:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-11-14 12:11 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> The safe (or not) factor with any car is the driver. Main rule to
>>> surviving is to always assume that the other drivers will break the
>>> rules.
>>>
>>
>> Except for when you have no control over what happens. People are
>> killed and injured when stopped at traffic lights or at a toll booth.
>> Your only hop is the structure of your car.
>>
>> Some years ago I was the third owner of a car that was involved in seven
>> accidents in its life. In every case, the car was stopped. Three times
>> it was not occupied.
>
> When I first met my wife she had a red Karmen Ghia that was jinxed.
> Someone backed into it the first day she had it, and it was backed into
> another time. She and I both had fenderbenders in that car. We sold it
> to a guy that I knew from high school and in less than a month it was
> totalled when a cement truck ran into it.
>

Mine was a green Karmen Ghia. I bought it after it was hit by a student
driver the day after the front was just repainted after the last hit.
It was hit in the back and pushed into another car.

On 11/14/2015 3:51 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/14/2015 2:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-11-14 12:11 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>>> Except for when you have no control over what happens. People are
>>> killed and injured when stopped at traffic lights or at a toll booth.
>>> Your only hop is the structure of your car.
>>>
>>> Some years ago I was the third owner of a car that was involved in seven
>>> accidents in its life. In every case, the car was stopped. Three times
>>> it was not occupied.
>>
>> When I first met my wife she had a red Karmen Ghia that was jinxed.
>> Someone backed into it the first day she had it, and it was backed into
>> another time. She and I both had fenderbenders in that car. We sold it
>> to a guy that I knew from high school and in less than a month it was
>> totalled when a cement truck ran into it.
>>
>
> Mine was a green Karmen Ghia. I bought it after it was hit by a student
> driver the day after the front was just repainted after the last hit. It
> was hit in the back and pushed into another car.

I think some cars just don't have good presence or something. People
don't see you. I had a Peugeot, an icy blue, that people would stare
at until the last moment when I could possibly slam on the brakes to
avoid them pulling out on me. Happened all the time. I think I just
looked like I was going 25 or something.

nancy

Cindy Hamilton > wrote in
:

>
> As a current software engineer at a company that makes productivity
> tools for systems control engineers (our customers include Gulfstream,
> Crane Aerospace, Boeing, Rolls Royce Jet Engine, GE Aircraft Engines,
> et al.), I think "Maybe I should get a horse."
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

As long as the horse isn't being fed on GMO grains...

In article >,
says...

> I hope to outlast my next 10 cars.

Are you a terrible driver, crazily optimistic, or both?

;-)

Janet UK

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 6:44:35 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 5:47:23 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 1:46:34 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >> "Xeno" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > On 14/11/2015 8:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> Amen to that but I still would never buy a driverless car. I
> >> >> >>>> could
> >> >> >>>> never trust it.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Me either. I want to drive my own vehicle and I also don't want
> >> >> >>> one
> >> >> >>> with all the bells and whistles so I hope my 2004 lasts for my
> >> >> >>> lifetime.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Me neither! I hope mine lasts too. I don't want to change mine
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> anything!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > I hope to outlast my next 10 cars.
> >> >>
> >> >> <g> I've had plenty of fancy cars in my life and now I am very happy
> >> >> with
> >> >> the one I have. I answers all my needs
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >> >
> >> > I enjoyed the cars I had during the late 70's and 80's. Mostly because
> >> > they were over 1000 lb lighter than the cars of today, around 1700 to
> >> > 2200
> >> > lbs. Heck, my 67 Plymouth Barracuda with V8 weighed about the same as a
> >> > modern Toyota Corolla - 2800 lbs. OTOH, modern cars are a lot more
> >> > comfortable.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, you know what I have now (if you remember) and it is fine
> >> comfortable
> >> enough for me)
> >
> > If there's anything that I can remember about a person, it's the kind of
> > car they drive. My Dodge Colt was made by Mitsubishi Motors too. I always
> > thought that was cool because it was their planes that attacked my town.
> > Hee hee.
>
> Oh blimey!!!
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

OTOH, the US stopped new car production in February 1942 and car manufacturers did a heck of a job for the war effort. I can't imagine the Allies would have been able to prevail without the American automobile industry.

http://www.amazon.com/Arsenal-Democr.../dp/0814339514

On 16/11/2015 4:55 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> I hope to outlast my next 10 cars.
>
> Are you a terrible driver, crazily optimistic, or both?
>
> ;-)
>
> Janet UK
>
Well, these days I keep a car for 7 - 8 years so I'll have to go with
crazily optimistic - 10 cars being the equivalent of 80 'more' years...
on top of the 60+ I have thus far accumulated.

--

Xeno

On 11/15/2015 4:20 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 16/11/2015 4:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>>> I hope to outlast my next 10 cars.
>>
>> Are you a terrible driver, crazily optimistic, or both?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> Well, these days I keep a car for 7 - 8 years so I'll have to go with
> crazily optimistic - 10 cars being the equivalent of 80 'more' years...
> on top of the 60+ I have thus far accumulated.
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

hasta la sqwerty wrote:
> On 11/15/2015 4:20 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/11/2015 4:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>
>>>> I hope to outlast my next 10 cars.
>>>
>>> Are you a terrible driver, crazily optimistic, or both?
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> Well, these days I keep a car for 7 - 8 years so I'll have to go with
>> crazily optimistic - 10 cars being the equivalent of 80 'more' years...
>> on top of the 60+ I have thus far accumulated.
>>
> I have, on at least three prior occasions,

You know I shouldn't have to coach you into frogging me properly little
dumpling.

Tsk...

On 11/17/2015 3:44 PM, hasta la basta wrote:
> hasta la sqwerty wrote:
>> On 11/15/2015 4:20 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 16/11/2015 4:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>> I hope to outlast my next 10 cars.
>>>>
>>>> Are you a terrible driver, crazily optimistic, or both?
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>> Well, these days I keep a car for 7 - 8 years so I'll have to go with
>>> crazily optimistic - 10 cars being the equivalent of 80 'more' years...
>>> on top of the 60+ I have thus far accumulated.
>>>
>> I have, on at least three prior occasions,

I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.