">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened here).
>>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a police
>>> officer in uniform;
>>
>> Clearly yes.
>
>And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed past a
>red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.

Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.

If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are they
then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a driving
licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of those?"


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Ophelia wrote:
> What if they don't have a driving licence, or are drunk -

https://www.austinfoodbank.org/sites...?itok=ROLljz1Z

On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened here).
> >>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a police
> >>> officer in uniform;
> >>
> >> Clearly yes.
> >
> >And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed past a
> >red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
>
> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
>
> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are they
> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a driving
> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of those?"
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars will be in communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On the motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in lines, like bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing. My guess it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're finally getting around to building, obsolete.

One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car. Being drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible. Obviously, these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened here).
>> >>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a police
>> >>> officer in uniform;
>> >>
>> >> Clearly yes.
>> >
>> >And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed past a
>> >red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
>>
>> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
>> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
>>
>> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
>> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are they
>> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a driving
>> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of those?"
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
> In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars will be in
> communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On the
> motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in lines, like
> bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing. My guess
> it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're finally
> getting around to building, obsolete.
>
> One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car. Being
> drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible. Obviously,
> these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.

Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..



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On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened here).
> >> >>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a police
> >> >>> officer in uniform;
> >> >>
> >> >> Clearly yes.
> >> >
> >> >And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed past a
> >> >red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
> >>
> >> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
> >> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
> >>
> >> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
> >> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are they
> >> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a driving
> >> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of those?"
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >
> > In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars will be in
> > communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On the
> > motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in lines, like
> > bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing. My guess
> > it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're finally
> > getting around to building, obsolete.
> >
> > One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car. Being
> > drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible. Obviously,
> > these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
>
> Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
>

Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far away from them!

>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened
>> >> here).
>> >> >>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a police
>> >> >>> officer in uniform;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Clearly yes.
>> >> >
>> >> >And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed past
>> >> >a
>> >> >red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
>> >>
>> >> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
>> >> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
>> >>
>> >> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
>> >> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are they
>> >> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a driving
>> >> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of
>> >> those?"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>> >
>> > In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars will be
>> > in
>> > communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On the
>> > motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in lines, like
>> > bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing. My
>> > guess
>> > it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're finally
>> > getting around to building, obsolete.
>> >
>> > One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car. Being
>> > drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible. Obviously,
>> > these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
>>
>> Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
>>
>
> Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far away
> from them!

Believe me, I will never trust one of those cars.


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On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 11:28:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened
> >> >> here).
> >> >> >>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a police
> >> >> >>> officer in uniform;
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Clearly yes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed past
> >> >> >a
> >> >> >red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
> >> >>
> >> >> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
> >> >> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
> >> >>
> >> >> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
> >> >> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are they
> >> >> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a driving
> >> >> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of
> >> >> those?"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >> >
> >> > In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars will be
> >> > in
> >> > communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On the
> >> > motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in lines, like
> >> > bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing. My
> >> > guess
> >> > it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're finally
> >> > getting around to building, obsolete.
> >> >
> >> > One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car. Being
> >> > drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible. Obviously,
> >> > these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
> >>
> >> Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
> >>
> >
> > Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far away
> > from them!
>
> Believe me, I will never trust one of those cars.
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

These cars would have to be pretty horrible to match the driving record of humans. Those units will kill nearly a hundred folks a day in the US. OTOH, if Apple builds a car, people will buy. After all, it's "the ultimate mobile device." Hee hee.

http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/21/...ent-speeds-up/

On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:48:33 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > >
> > > One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car. Being
> > > drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible. Obviously,
> > > these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
> >
> > Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
> >
>
> Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far away from them!
>

I think they're going to be great and see them as a way for old people
(poor eyesight, slow reflexes) who shouldn't be driving to stay
independent. I can visualize that a driver's license would be
required for the "operator" of the vehicle, but maybe not. I'm stuck
in the old ways.

--

sf

On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 1:33:29 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:48:33 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car. Being
> > > > drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible. Obviously,
> > > > these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
> > >
> > > Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
> > >
> >
> > Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far away from them!
> >
>
> I think they're going to be great and see them as a way for old people
> (poor eyesight, slow reflexes) who shouldn't be driving to stay
> independent. I can visualize that a driver's license would be
> required for the "operator" of the vehicle, but maybe not. I'm stuck
> in the old ways.
>
> --
>
> sf

Getting a ride to where they need to be is a major problem for old folks. The automobile will change the world for a second time in a hundred years.

On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 21:24:58 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened
> >> >> here).
> >> >> >>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a police
> >> >> >>> officer in uniform;
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Clearly yes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed past
> >> >> >a
> >> >> >red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
> >> >>
> >> >> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
> >> >> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
> >> >>
> >> >> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
> >> >> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are they
> >> >> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a driving
> >> >> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of
> >> >> those?"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >> >
> >> > In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars will be
> >> > in
> >> > communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On the
> >> > motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in lines, like
> >> > bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing. My
> >> > guess
> >> > it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're finally
> >> > getting around to building, obsolete.
> >> >
> >> > One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car. Being
> >> > drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible. Obviously,
> >> > these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
> >>
> >> Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
> >>
> >
> > Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far away
> > from them!
>
> Believe me, I will never trust one of those cars.

In the USA, as much as you'd like to be chauffeured around like the
Queen of England, you can't sit in the backseat with no one else in
charge of the car because someone needs to be behind the wheel and
able to intervene if there's a problem.

--

sf

On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 14:20:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> OTOH, if Apple builds a car, people will buy. After all, it's "the ultimate mobile device." Hee hee.

You do have a point!

--

sf

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 21:24:58 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened
>>>>>> here).
>>>>>>>>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a police
>>>>>>>>> officer in uniform;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clearly yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed past
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
>>>>>> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
>>>>>> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are they
>>>>>> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a driving
>>>>>> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of
>>>>>> those?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>>>
>>>>> In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars will be
>>>>> in
>>>>> communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On the
>>>>> motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in lines, like
>>>>> bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing. My
>>>>> guess
>>>>> it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're finally
>>>>> getting around to building, obsolete.
>>>>>
>>>>> One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car. Being
>>>>> drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible. Obviously,
>>>>> these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
>>>>
>>>> Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far away
>>> from them!
>>
>> Believe me, I will never trust one of those cars.
>
> In the USA, as much as you'd like to be chauffeured around like the
> Queen of England, you can't sit in the backseat with no one else in
> charge of the car because someone needs to be behind the wheel and
> able to intervene if there's a problem.
>

We call them car whisperers (Uber), and they don't come cheaply either...

;-)

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 14:20:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> OTOH, if Apple builds a car, people will buy. After all, it's "the ultimate mobile device." Hee hee.
>
> You do have a point!
>
Tesla's are darned well built.

If Apple ups their efforts, watch out!

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 11:28:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> >> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened
>> >> >> here).
>> >> >> >>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a
>> >> >> >>> police
>> >> >> >>> officer in uniform;
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Clearly yes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed
>> >> >> >past
>> >> >> >a
>> >> >> >red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
>> >> >> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
>> >> >> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a
>> >> >> driving
>> >> >> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of
>> >> >> those?"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>> >> >
>> >> > In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars will
>> >> > be
>> >> > in
>> >> > communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On the
>> >> > motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in lines,
>> >> > like
>> >> > bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing. My
>> >> > guess
>> >> > it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're finally
>> >> > getting around to building, obsolete.
>> >> >
>> >> > One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car.
>> >> > Being
>> >> > drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible.
>> >> > Obviously,
>> >> > these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
>> >>
>> >> Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
>> >>
>> >
>> > Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far
>> > away
>> > from them!
>>
>> Believe me, I will never trust one of those cars.
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
> These cars would have to be pretty horrible to match the driving record of
> humans. Those units will kill nearly a hundred folks a day in the US.
> OTOH, if Apple builds a car, people will buy. After all, it's "the
> ultimate mobile device." Hee hee.
>
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/21/...ent-speeds-up/

Please take my allocation with my best wishes)


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sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 21:24:58 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "dsi1" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia
> > wrote: >> >> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do
> > if it happened >> >> here).
> > >> >> >>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by
> > a police >> >> >>> officer in uniform;
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Clearly yes.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or
> > proceed past >> >> >a
> > >> >> >red traffic light as directed by the police officer in
> > uniform. >> >>
> > >> >> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
> > >> >> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it
> > be an >> >> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button
> > - and are they >> >> then formally in charge of the car? What if
> > they don't have a driving >> >> licence, or are drunk - could they
> > then be nicked for either of >> >> those?"
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> > >> >
> > >> > In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars
> > will be >> > in
> > >> > communication with each other and coordinate their movements.
> > On the >> > motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each
> > other in lines, like >> > bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to
> > be a beautiful thing. My >> > guess
> > >> > it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're
> > finally >> > getting around to building, obsolete.
> > >> >
> > >> > One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving
> > car. Being >> > drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be
> > possible. Obviously, >> > these cars will bring about an increase
> > in alcoholism.
> > > >
> > >> Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
> > > >
> > >
> > > Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay
> > > far away from them!
> >
> > Believe me, I will never trust one of those cars.
>
> In the USA, as much as you'd like to be chauffeured around like the
> Queen of England, you can't sit in the backseat with no one else in
> charge of the car because someone needs to be behind the wheel and
> able to intervene if there's a problem.

The world may be changing, and possibly for the better with this new
advent.

--

On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 5:17:25 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 14:20:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > OTOH, if Apple builds a car, people will buy. After all, it's "the ultimate mobile device." Hee hee.
>
> You do have a point!
>
> --
>
> sf

The current rumor that won't go away, has Apple partnering up with BMW. That's a match made in heaven - if heaven was an upscale kind of place.

On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 12:03:30 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 11:28:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >> >> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened
> >> >> >> here).
> >> >> >> >>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a
> >> >> >> >>> police
> >> >> >> >>> officer in uniform;
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Clearly yes.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed
> >> >> >> >past
> >> >> >> >a
> >> >> >> >red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
> >> >> >> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
> >> >> >> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are
> >> >> >> they
> >> >> >> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a
> >> >> >> driving
> >> >> >> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of
> >> >> >> those?"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars will
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On the
> >> >> > motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in lines,
> >> >> > like
> >> >> > bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing. My
> >> >> > guess
> >> >> > it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're finally
> >> >> > getting around to building, obsolete.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car.
> >> >> > Being
> >> >> > drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible.
> >> >> > Obviously,
> >> >> > these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
> >> >>
> >> >> Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far
> >> > away
> >> > from them!
> >>
> >> Believe me, I will never trust one of those cars.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >
> > These cars would have to be pretty horrible to match the driving record of
> > humans. Those units will kill nearly a hundred folks a day in the US.
> > OTOH, if Apple builds a car, people will buy. After all, it's "the
> > ultimate mobile device." Hee hee.
> >
> > http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/21/...ent-speeds-up/
>
> Please take my allocation with my best wishes)
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

Believe it or not, there may come a time when you won't be able to drive yourself around. Most people will have their neighbor or kids or friends drive them around and some people will be trapped in their own home. It's not a good situation.

On 24/11/2015 3:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 12:03:30 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 11:28:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened
>>>>>>>> here).
>>>>>>>>>>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a
>>>>>>>>>>> police
>>>>>>>>>>> officer in uniform;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Clearly yes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed
>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
>>>>>>>> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
>>>>>>>> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a
>>>>>>>> driving
>>>>>>>> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of
>>>>>>>> those?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars will
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On the
>>>>>>> motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in lines,
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing. My
>>>>>>> guess
>>>>>>> it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're finally
>>>>>>> getting around to building, obsolete.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car.
>>>>>>> Being
>>>>>>> drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible.
>>>>>>> Obviously,
>>>>>>> these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far
>>>>> away
>>>>> from them!
>>>>
>>>> Believe me, I will never trust one of those cars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>
>>> These cars would have to be pretty horrible to match the driving record of
>>> humans. Those units will kill nearly a hundred folks a day in the US.
>>> OTOH, if Apple builds a car, people will buy. After all, it's "the
>>> ultimate mobile device." Hee hee.
>>>
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/21/...ent-speeds-up/
>>
>> Please take my allocation with my best wishes)
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
> Believe it or not, there may come a time when you won't be able to drive yourself around. Most people will have their neighbor or kids or friends drive them around and some people will be trapped in their own home. It's not a good situation.
>
That's exactly why my retirement location has all the acoutrements that
I might possibly need in my future. These include, but are not limited
to, access to retirement facilities (villages, nursing homes, etc.),
medical facilities, public transport, entertainment, clubs... the list
goes on and the location I chose has it all. A small city of 70,000
people spread over a rural/coastal enclave. Even has a domestic airport
which I have used to get to Sydney and Melbourne. All the conveniences
without the hassles.

--

Xeno

On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:27:22 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> The current rumor that won't go away, has Apple partnering up with BMW. That's a match made in heaven - if heaven was an upscale kind of place.

Hope I won't need to rob a bank to afford one!

--

sf

On 24/11/2015 5:50 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:27:22 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> The current rumor that won't go away, has Apple partnering up with BMW. That's a match made in heaven - if heaven was an upscale kind of place.
>
> Hope I won't need to rob a bank to afford one!
>
If the price of electric cars is any indication, I'm sure you will need
to rob a bank!

--

Xeno

On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 8:50:20 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:27:22 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > The current rumor that won't go away, has Apple partnering up with BMW. That's a match made in heaven - if heaven was an upscale kind of place.
>
> Hope I won't need to rob a bank to afford one!
>
> --
>
> sf

You're just gonna have to settle for a Google!

On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 8:50:20 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:27:22 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > The current rumor that won't go away, has Apple partnering up with BMW. That's a match made in heaven - if heaven was an upscale kind of place.
>
> Hope I won't need to rob a bank to afford one!
>
> --
>
> sf

But seriously folks, the electric car will be dirt cheap to produce because the powertrain will be essentially modular. An electric motor is a lot cheaper to build than a IC piston engine. It won't need a transmission, or cooling system, or ignition system or a fuel system or an exhaust system. The car will be controlled by software and easily configurable. One of the reason it's gonna take over is that it will be more profitable for the car companies.

It might bring about the reemergence of small cottage industry car manufacturers because it will simplify how cars are made.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 12:03:30 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 11:28:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> >> >> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it
>> >> >> >> happened
>> >> >> >> here).
>> >> >> >> >>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a
>> >> >> >> >>> police
>> >> >> >> >>> officer in uniform;
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Clearly yes.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed
>> >> >> >> >past
>> >> >> >> >a
>> >> >> >> >red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
>> >> >> >> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be
>> >> >> >> an
>> >> >> >> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are
>> >> >> >> they
>> >> >> >> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a
>> >> >> >> driving
>> >> >> >> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of
>> >> >> >> those?"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars
>> >> >> > will
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in
>> >> >> > lines,
>> >> >> > like
>> >> >> > bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing.
>> >> >> > My
>> >> >> > guess
>> >> >> > it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're
>> >> >> > finally
>> >> >> > getting around to building, obsolete.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car.
>> >> >> > Being
>> >> >> > drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible.
>> >> >> > Obviously,
>> >> >> > these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far
>> >> > away
>> >> > from them!
>> >>
>> >> Believe me, I will never trust one of those cars.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>> >
>> > These cars would have to be pretty horrible to match the driving record
>> > of
>> > humans. Those units will kill nearly a hundred folks a day in the US.
>> > OTOH, if Apple builds a car, people will buy. After all, it's "the
>> > ultimate mobile device." Hee hee.
>> >
>> > http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/21/...ent-speeds-up/
>>
>> Please take my allocation with my best wishes)
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
> Believe it or not, there may come a time when you won't be able to drive
> yourself around. Most people will have their neighbor or kids or friends
> drive them around and some people will be trapped in their own home. It's
> not a good situation.

My husband is younger than I so just maybe ... ;-)



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 11:50:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 12:03:30 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 11:28:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >> >> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:46:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it
> >> >> >> >> happened
> >> >> >> >> here).
> >> >> >> >> >>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a
> >> >> >> >> >>> police
> >> >> >> >> >>> officer in uniform;
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Clearly yes.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed
> >> >> >> >> >past
> >> >> >> >> >a
> >> >> >> >> >red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
> >> >> >> >> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be
> >> >> >> >> an
> >> >> >> >> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are
> >> >> >> >> they
> >> >> >> >> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a
> >> >> >> >> driving
> >> >> >> >> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of
> >> >> >> >> those?"
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In the future, we won't need cops directing traffic. The cars
> >> >> >> > will
> >> >> >> > be
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > communication with each other and coordinate their movements. On
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > motorway, the cars will travel quite close to each other in
> >> >> >> > lines,
> >> >> >> > like
> >> >> >> > bikers, to conserve energy. It's going to be a beautiful thing.
> >> >> >> > My
> >> >> >> > guess
> >> >> >> > it's going to make Honolulu's fixed rail system, which we're
> >> >> >> > finally
> >> >> >> > getting around to building, obsolete.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > One won't need a driver's licence to ride in a self-driving car.
> >> >> >> > Being
> >> >> >> > drunk won't matter either. Drunk driving won't be possible.
> >> >> >> > Obviously,
> >> >> >> > these cars will bring about an increase in alcoholism.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Got it all worked out eh)) I won't pass on any more then..
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Just treat one of these cars like you would a police car - stay far
> >> >> > away
> >> >> > from them!
> >> >>
> >> >> Believe me, I will never trust one of those cars.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >> >
> >> > These cars would have to be pretty horrible to match the driving record
> >> > of
> >> > humans. Those units will kill nearly a hundred folks a day in the US.
> >> > OTOH, if Apple builds a car, people will buy. After all, it's "the
> >> > ultimate mobile device." Hee hee.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/21/...ent-speeds-up/
> >>
> >> Please take my allocation with my best wishes)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >
> > Believe it or not, there may come a time when you won't be able to drive
> > yourself around. Most people will have their neighbor or kids or friends
> > drive them around and some people will be trapped in their own home. It's
> > not a good situation.
>
> My husband is younger than I so just maybe ... ;-)
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

I see a lot of couples like that - one spouse drives the other. Typically the male will drive the female around but as they age, it's often the wife that will drive the husband. I cannot say which is more prevalent. It seems about even in elderly couples.

My step-mom dives my dad to where he needs to go. Thank God! When she was away in Sweden, I had to drive my dad around. It was a tough gig but I'm glad I did it but I'm also glad I don't have to anymore. It's a rather funny situation.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...

> I see a lot of couples like that - one spouse drives the other. Typically
> the male will drive the female around but as they age, it's often the wife
> that will drive the husband. I cannot say which is more prevalent. It
> seems about even in elderly couples.
>
> My step-mom dives my dad to where he needs to go. Thank God! When she was
> away in Sweden, I had to drive my dad around. It was a tough gig but I'm
> glad I did it but I'm also glad I don't have to anymore. It's a rather
> funny situation.

He was lucky to have you do it.

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Xeno wrote:
>
> On 24/11/2015 5:50 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:27:22 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The current rumor that won't go away, has Apple partnering up with BMW. That's a match made in heaven - if heaven was an upscale kind of place.
> >
> > Hope I won't need to rob a bank to afford one!
> >
> If the price of electric cars is any indication, I'm sure you will need
> to rob a bank!

Forget robbing a bank unless you just need extra money. Just learn
how to break into and steal a car. Better yet, since they will be
computer controlled cars, just make friends with a good hacker,
hack into the car's software and make it start up and drive itself
to your house late one night.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 8:50:20 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:27:22 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The current rumor that won't go away, has Apple partnering up with BMW. That's a match made in heaven - if heaven was an upscale kind of place.
>>
>> Hope I won't need to rob a bank to afford one!
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> But seriously folks, the electric car will be dirt cheap to produce because the powertrain will be essentially modular. An electric motor is a lot cheaper to build than a IC piston engine. It won't need a transmission, or cooling system, or ignition system or a fuel system or an exhaust system. The car will be controlled by software and easily configurable. One of the reason it's gonna take over is that it will be more profitable for the car companies.
>
> It might bring about the reemergence of small cottage industry car manufacturers because it will simplify how cars are made.
>
It's been along time sine Mother Earth News ran their first stories
(late 80, iirc) on converting an S-10 pickup to full electric.

Bravo.

On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 13:46:39 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened here).
>>>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a police
>>>> officer in uniform;
>>>
>>> Clearly yes.
>>
>>And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed past a
>>red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
>
>Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
>presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
>
>If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
>offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are they
>then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a driving
>licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of those?"

"> You are reaping what you sowed by feeding known trolls, dearie"

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On 11/24/2015 12:31 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 13:46:39 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> ">>> That raises interesting questions (or would do if it happened here).
>>>>> Is a driverless car obliged to stop if asked to do so by a police
>>>>> officer in uniform;
>>>>
>>>> Clearly yes.
>>>
>>> And presumably also to take the exit from a junction or proceed past a
>>> red traffic light as directed by the police officer in uniform.
>>
>> Lots of extra questions arise. Once they are fully autonomous,
>> presumably they'll still have some sort of "panic" button.
>>
>> If the car fails to stop on the policeman's request, will it be an
>> offence for the occupant not to press the panic button - and are they
>> then formally in charge of the car? What if they don't have a driving
>> licence, or are drunk - could they then be nicked for either of those?"
>
> "> You are reaping what you sowed by feeding known trolls, dearie"
>
> --
> Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
> Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available.
> Record
>
> ID: 47846596.
>
>
>> She cheered Boner on until we arrived at this.

"And I still do"

On 11/24/2015 9:25 AM, Hidalgo wrote:
>> She cheered Boner on until we arrived at this.

"And I still do"

On 25/11/2015 1:40 AM, Gary wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>>
>> On 24/11/2015 5:50 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:27:22 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The current rumor that won't go away, has Apple partnering up with BMW. That's a match made in heaven - if heaven was an upscale kind of place.
>>>
>>> Hope I won't need to rob a bank to afford one!
>>>
>> If the price of electric cars is any indication, I'm sure you will need
>> to rob a bank!
>
> Forget robbing a bank unless you just need extra money. Just learn
> how to break into and steal a car. Better yet, since they will be
> computer controlled cars, just make friends with a good hacker,
> hack into the car's software and make it start up and drive itself
> to your house late one night.
>
Yeah but they will all be GPS equipped by then. The cops will just
follow the car's GPS signal to your home. Then you won't need to worry
about car ownership or public transport any more!

--

Xeno

On 11/24/2015 1:58 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 25/11/2015 1:40 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>> On 24/11/2015 5:50 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:27:22 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The current rumor that won't go away, has Apple partnering up with
>>>>> BMW. That's a match made in heaven - if heaven was an upscale kind
>>>>> of place.
>>>>
>>>> Hope I won't need to rob a bank to afford one!
>>>>
>>> If the price of electric cars is any indication, I'm sure you will need
>>> to rob a bank!
>>
>> Forget robbing a bank unless you just need extra money. Just learn
>> how to break into and steal a car. Better yet, since they will be
>> computer controlled cars, just make friends with a good hacker,
>> hack into the car's software and make it start up and drive itself
>> to your house late one night.
>>
> Yeah but they will all be GPS equipped by then. The cops will just
> follow the car's GPS signal to your home. Then you won't need to worry
> about car ownership or public transport any more!
>
"My mental health professional has directed me to apologize to this
group at large and to Marty and Steven in specific for acting out
here. A change in my medications is being made to address a disorder I
have been experiencing this summer. I will be monitored, but I am no
longer allowed to engage in certain activities I previously have
enjoyed as they exacerbate my condition. I apologize for being
disruptive, in a better state of mind this was generally not an issue
for me."

Casa Boner, Fri, 20 Sep 2013 18:37:53 -0600
Message-ID: >
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