On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:56:11 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 09:32:06 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 11/27/2015 1:23 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> > There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
>> > in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Why? If there is room, I put them in. They come out nice and shiny,
>> just like new. I don't always put them in because they take up a lot of
>> space and if you just boiled pasta, it takes seconds to clean. OTOH, if
>> you simmered sauce for a few hours, the machine does an excellent job.
>
>People who think it's ok to wash pots & pans in the dishwasher
>shouldn't be picking on dsi1 for washing his ginger grater in one.


I would question why you think it's not okay to wash pots and pans in
the dishwasher ? When you see ads for dishwashers, the bottom rack
more often than not has at least one pot in it. Why would one pay for
a dishwasher then do stuff by hand ? Waste of money.

On 27 Nov 2015 16:03:36 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-11-27, > wrote:
>
>> does a better job than metal and they ALL go in the dishwasher
>
>I AM the dishwasher!
>
>nb

Lol, well I hope it won't hurt you

On 2015-11-27, > wrote:

> On 27 Nov 2015 16:03:36 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>>I AM the dishwasher!

> Lol, well I hope it won't hurt you

Been doing it fer nigh onto 60+ yrs. Haven't had a dish-pan hands
related emergency, yet. Don't think I need an expensive machine,
which may require a repairman, to wash a dirty dish.

nb

wrote:
> Why would one pay for
> a dishwasher then do stuff by hand ? Waste of money.

Especially for someone who grew up with a "houseful of servants"...

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:32:51 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:51:48 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:25:17 -0500, jmcquown >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On 11/26/2015 9:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > > > On 2015-11-25 11:18 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>>> Really. You guys should try something hard like ginger on your
> >> > > >>>> graters. Don't use those sissy big grater part - use the fine
> >> > > >>>> side. Poof - there goes your 20 seconds.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Are you counting the time it takes to fill the sink with soapy
> >> > > >>> water. Grab the grater, shake it around in the water, run a dish
> >> > > >>> brush across it.... 10-15 seconds.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Has it really come to this? Do we have supposedly grown men bragging
> >> > > >> about how they can clean a grater in seconds? I'll have you know that
> >> > > >> this is not the kind of world I want to live in, no sir! This just
> >> > > >> sickens me!
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > > It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters. It is a rebuttal of
> >> > > > the claim about what a time consuming job you think it is.
> >> > > >
> >> > > That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to clean a grater. I'd
> >> > > hate to think how difficult it might be for dsi1 to clean a garlic press!
> >> > >
> >> > A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish bowl. So what?
> >> > Nobody thinks twice about putting a water glass through the
> >> > dishwasher. There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
> >> > in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
> >>
> >> Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion like that
> >> really longs for an explanation.
> >>
> >People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's called
> >dishwasher for a reason.
>
> Are you saying you don't put cups and cutlery in it? I'd put the
> entire house in it if I could.

The last time I checked, cups were covered under the term "dishes".
What you mean by cutlery is anybody's guess. If you're talking about
the knives you use to prepare your food, the answer a resounding no.
If you're talking about knives, forks, and spoons used to eat or serve
food, then you're a pedant who can't see the forest for all the trees.
The point remains that people who wash their pots & pans in the
dishwasher have no business denigrating dsi1 for putting a ginger
grater in his.

--

sf

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2015-11-27, > wrote:
>
> > does a better job than metal and they ALL go in the dishwasher
>
> I AM the dishwasher!

As am I! My physical dishwasher is only an expensive drying rack.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:21:59 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> For all uses of garlic, I always smash clove with flat side of knife,
> easily remove the skins, them mince up the smashed clove. I've
> actually never seen any need to do differently.

+1

>I tossed out my garlic press years ago and I don't miss it one bit.

I still have mine - at least 4 of various sizes and brands stuck in a
drawer somewhere. Probably with that stupid rotating cheese grater.

--

sf

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:58:54 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:32:51 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:51:48 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:

>> >> > > > It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters. It is a rebuttal of
>> >> > > > the claim about what a time consuming job you think it is.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to clean a grater. I'd
>> >> > > hate to think how difficult it might be for dsi1 to clean a garlic press!
>> >> > >
>> >> > A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish bowl. So what?
>> >> > Nobody thinks twice about putting a water glass through the
>> >> > dishwasher. There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
>> >> > in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
>> >>
>> >> Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion like that
>> >> really longs for an explanation.
>> >>
>> >People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's called
>> >dishwasher for a reason.
>>
>> Are you saying you don't put cups and cutlery in it? I'd put the
>> entire house in it if I could.
>
>The last time I checked, cups were covered under the term "dishes".

So dishes include dishes and cups, but not pots and pans. I'll have to
be careful with my wording next time I instruct the maid.

>What you mean by cutlery is anybody's guess. If you're talking about
>the knives you use to prepare your food, the answer a resounding no.
>If you're talking about knives, forks, and spoons used to eat or serve
>food,

You said it was anybody's guess, but you got it right away. Is cutlery
not used in American?

> then you're a pedant who can't see the forest for all the trees.

Because of the word cutlery?

>The point remains that people who wash their pots & pans in the
>dishwasher have no business denigrating dsi1 for putting a ginger
>grater in his.

I have no opinion about dsi1 and his ginger grater.

--
Bruce

On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 5:56:10 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 09:32:06 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > On 11/27/2015 1:23 AM, sf wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > > There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
> > > in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Why? If there is room, I put them in. They come out nice and shiny,
> > just like new. I don't always put them in because they take up a lot of
> > space and if you just boiled pasta, it takes seconds to clean. OTOH, if
> > you simmered sauce for a few hours, the machine does an excellent job.
>
> People who think it's ok to wash pots & pans in the dishwasher
> shouldn't be picking on dsi1 for washing his ginger grater in one.
>
> --
>
> sf

I typically won't wash pots and pans in the dishwasher because they take up a lot of real estate. I won't wash my non-stick pans in there because I feel it gets them too clean. OTOH, there is a pots and pans setting on the washer as well as some awesome jet nozzles on the back of the washer. I'd like to see those things in action!

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 09:32:06 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 11/27/2015 1:23 AM, sf wrote:
>
>>>
>> There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
>> in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
>>
>>
>
>Why? If there is room, I put them in. They come out nice and shiny,
>just like new. I don't always put them in because they take up a lot of
>space and if you just boiled pasta, it takes seconds to clean. OTOH, if
>you simmered sauce for a few hours, the machine does an excellent job.

I don't think so... nothing cleans a SS pot like tomato sauce, of
course if you burnt the pot you also burnt the sauce. I've never
washed any pot in a dishwasher... pots are either too large for a
dishwasher or they too small to not wash by hand. I ran my dishwasher
yesterday for the first time in about three months, all plastic
storage containers with lids that have accumulated over time, a few
plastic cutting boards, and the rack from roasting the turkey. In a
typical day there aren't enough dishes to run the dishwasher, so few
that I wash them by hand along with the silverware and a pot or two
plus some cat food bowls in ten minutes. Even when there's company I
wash by hand because then the dinnerware and glassware is too good to
go into the dishwasher. I use one glass a day, in the evening and it
goes in the sink before retiring for the night, gets washed by hand in
the morning with my coffee mug and a few cat food bowls. I've been
washing by hand all my life, I honestly can live without a
dishwasher... if I run it six times a year that's a lot. The reason I
amass all those plastic containers is because they are for storing
meat drippings from roasts in the fridge to mix with the outside cat's
food... all the turkey dripping are in the fridge now, enough for like
3-4 days. I don't like washing plastic containers by hand as meat fat
seems to leave a coating on plastic no matter how hot the water and
how much liquid soap... even the dishwasher misses some as no matter
how carefully I load them some flip over... out of about thirty
containers three are back for rewashing, and one went in the trash as
it was too mishapen from the heat and I don't run the dry cycle with
plastic so they come out all wet, I have to shake the water off each
one and arrange them on towels to air dry. There have been many times
I've saved up half a load of dishes and then two/three days later
removed them to hand wash just because I had the hot water up and was
hand washing pots anyway. Lee Valley has the best rubber gloves, have
two pair I've been using for twenty years and are still like new
(great for car washing too), and not made in China, made in Mexico:
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/pag...99&cat=1,42207

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:51:48 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:25:17 -0500, jmcquown >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On 11/26/2015 9:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > > > On 2015-11-25 11:18 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>>> Really. You guys should try something hard like ginger on your
> >> > > >>>> graters. Don't use those sissy big grater part - use the fine
> >> > > >>>> side. Poof - there goes your 20 seconds.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Are you counting the time it takes to fill the sink with soapy
> >> > > >>> water. Grab the grater, shake it around in the water, run a dish
> >> > > >>> brush across it.... 10-15 seconds.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Has it really come to this? Do we have supposedly grown men bragging
> >> > > >> about how they can clean a grater in seconds? I'll have you know that
> >> > > >> this is not the kind of world I want to live in, no sir! This just
> >> > > >> sickens me!
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > > It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters. It is a rebuttal of
> >> > > > the claim about what a time consuming job you think it is.
> >> > > >
> >> > > That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to clean a grater. I'd
> >> > > hate to think how difficult it might be for dsi1 to clean a garlic press!
> >> > >
> >> > A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish bowl. So what?
> >> > Nobody thinks twice about putting a water glass through the
> >> > dishwasher. There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
> >> > in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
> >>
> >> Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion like that
> >> really longs for an explanation.
> >>
> >People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's called
> >dishwasher for a reason.
>
> Are you saying you don't put cups and cutlery in it? I'd put the
> entire house in it if I could.

You can! It's called pressure washing a house.

wrote:
>
> Why would one pay for
> a dishwasher then do stuff by hand ? Waste of money.

Yes it is. I would never pay for a dishwasher. I'd rather have
the extra cabinet space for storage.

wrote:
>
> I let them accumulate in the dishwasher until a run is justified,
> usually every other day or so. I let them dry naturally, not on the
> heat cycle.

I tried that once but I use things often. I would have to go 2-3 days
to fill up a dishwasher. Problem is by not cleaning them up
immediately, I'm digging in the dishwasher to clean and use something.

For large families, I can understand using one. For just me, it's
easier to wash as I use so I always have the thing in question clean
and ready for the next meal.

On 27 Nov 2015 16:49:09 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-11-27, > wrote:
>
>> On 27 Nov 2015 16:03:36 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>>I AM the dishwasher!
>
>> Lol, well I hope it won't hurt you
>
>Been doing it fer nigh onto 60+ yrs. Haven't had a dish-pan hands
>related emergency, yet. Don't think I need an expensive machine,
>which may require a repairman, to wash a dirty dish.
>
>nb

I've never had a repairman here for dishwasher, heading eleven years
now and I understand the one sold with the house is still performing
and that is heading 20! I had the first dishwasher back in the 70s
and have always felt if I had to give up one, it would be a
clotheswasher before the dishwasher.

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 04:22:00 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:58:54 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:32:51 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:51:48 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>
> >> >> > > > It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters. It is a rebuttal of
> >> >> > > > the claim about what a time consuming job you think it is.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to clean a grater. I'd
> >> >> > > hate to think how difficult it might be for dsi1 to clean a garlic press!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish bowl. So what?
> >> >> > Nobody thinks twice about putting a water glass through the
> >> >> > dishwasher. There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
> >> >> > in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion like that
> >> >> really longs for an explanation.
> >> >>
> >> >People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's called
> >> >dishwasher for a reason.
> >>
> >> Are you saying you don't put cups and cutlery in it? I'd put the
> >> entire house in it if I could.
> >
> >The last time I checked, cups were covered under the term "dishes".
>
> So dishes include dishes and cups, but not pots and pans. I'll have to
> be careful with my wording next time I instruct the maid.
>
> >What you mean by cutlery is anybody's guess. If you're talking about
> >the knives you use to prepare your food, the answer a resounding no.
> >If you're talking about knives, forks, and spoons used to eat or serve
> >food,
>
> You said it was anybody's guess, but you got it right away. Is cutlery
> not used in American?
>
> > then you're a pedant who can't see the forest for all the trees.
>
> Because of the word cutlery?
>
> >The point remains that people who wash their pots & pans in the
> >dishwasher have no business denigrating dsi1 for putting a ginger
> >grater in his.
>
> I have no opinion about dsi1 and his ginger grater.

That is what started this.

--

sf

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:58:54 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:32:51 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:51:48 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:25:17 -0500, jmcquown >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > On 11/26/2015 9:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> > > > On 2015-11-25 11:18 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>>> Really. You guys should try something hard like ginger on your
>> >> > > >>>> graters. Don't use those sissy big grater part - use the fine
>> >> > > >>>> side. Poof - there goes your 20 seconds.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> Are you counting the time it takes to fill the sink with soapy
>> >> > > >>> water. Grab the grater, shake it around in the water, run a dish
>> >> > > >>> brush across it.... 10-15 seconds.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Has it really come to this? Do we have supposedly grown men bragging
>> >> > > >> about how they can clean a grater in seconds? I'll have you know that
>> >> > > >> this is not the kind of world I want to live in, no sir! This just
>> >> > > >> sickens me!
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > > It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters. It is a rebuttal of
>> >> > > > the claim about what a time consuming job you think it is.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to clean a grater. I'd
>> >> > > hate to think how difficult it might be for dsi1 to clean a garlic press!
>> >> > >
>> >> > A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish bowl. So what?
>> >> > Nobody thinks twice about putting a water glass through the
>> >> > dishwasher. There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
>> >> > in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
>> >>
>> >> Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion like that
>> >> really longs for an explanation.
>> >>
>> >People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's called
>> >dishwasher for a reason.
>>
>> Are you saying you don't put cups and cutlery in it? I'd put the
>> entire house in it if I could.
>
>The last time I checked, cups were covered under the term "dishes".
>What you mean by cutlery is anybody's guess. If you're talking about
>the knives you use to prepare your food, the answer a resounding no.
>If you're talking about knives, forks, and spoons used to eat or serve
>food, then you're a pedant who can't see the forest for all the trees.
>The point remains that people who wash their pots & pans in the
>dishwasher have no business denigrating dsi1 for putting a ginger
>grater in his.

So why do you feel you must denigrate people who do put pots and pans
in their dishwashers? You still have not given a reason as to why we
should not do so!

dsi1 wrote:
>
> I typically won't wash pots and pans in the dishwasher because they take up a lot of real estate. I won't wash my non-stick pans in there because I feel it gets them too clean. OTOH, there is a pots and pans setting on the washer as well as some awesome jet nozzles on the back of the washer. I'd like to see those things in action!

There's really no reason to ever clean any pots and pans. Just remove
your food then leave them sitting on the stovetop. Next meal, just
heat them up to kill any germs and you're good to go for the next
meal. Saves lots of time. :-D

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:00:44 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 04:22:00 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:58:54 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:32:51 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:51:48 -0800, sf > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > > It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters. It is a rebuttal of
>> >> >> > > > the claim about what a time consuming job you think it is.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to clean a grater. I'd
>> >> >> > > hate to think how difficult it might be for dsi1 to clean a garlic press!
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish bowl. So what?
>> >> >> > Nobody thinks twice about putting a water glass through the
>> >> >> > dishwasher. There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
>> >> >> > in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion like that
>> >> >> really longs for an explanation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's called
>> >> >dishwasher for a reason.
>> >>
>> >> Are you saying you don't put cups and cutlery in it? I'd put the
>> >> entire house in it if I could.
>> >
>> >The last time I checked, cups were covered under the term "dishes".
>>
>> So dishes include dishes and cups, but not pots and pans. I'll have to
>> be careful with my wording next time I instruct the maid.
>>
>> >What you mean by cutlery is anybody's guess. If you're talking about
>> >the knives you use to prepare your food, the answer a resounding no.
>> >If you're talking about knives, forks, and spoons used to eat or serve
>> >food,
>>
>> You said it was anybody's guess, but you got it right away. Is cutlery
>> not used in American?
>>
>> > then you're a pedant who can't see the forest for all the trees.
>>
>> Because of the word cutlery?
>>
>> >The point remains that people who wash their pots & pans in the
>> >dishwasher have no business denigrating dsi1 for putting a ginger
>> >grater in his.
>>
>> I have no opinion about dsi1 and his ginger grater.
>
>That is what started this.

So is cutlery unamerican? The word, I mean, not the concept.

--
Bruce

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 14:01:59 -0400, wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:58:54 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:32:51 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:51:48 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:

>>> >> > > > It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters. It is a rebuttal of
>>> >> > > > the claim about what a time consuming job you think it is.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to clean a grater. I'd
>>> >> > > hate to think how difficult it might be for dsi1 to clean a garlic press!
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish bowl. So what?
>>> >> > Nobody thinks twice about putting a water glass through the
>>> >> > dishwasher. There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
>>> >> > in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
>>> >>
>>> >> Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion like that
>>> >> really longs for an explanation.
>>> >>
>>> >People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's called
>>> >dishwasher for a reason.
>>>
>>> Are you saying you don't put cups and cutlery in it? I'd put the
>>> entire house in it if I could.
>>
>>The last time I checked, cups were covered under the term "dishes".
>>What you mean by cutlery is anybody's guess. If you're talking about
>>the knives you use to prepare your food, the answer a resounding no.
>>If you're talking about knives, forks, and spoons used to eat or serve
>>food, then you're a pedant who can't see the forest for all the trees.
>>The point remains that people who wash their pots & pans in the
>>dishwasher have no business denigrating dsi1 for putting a ginger
>>grater in his.
>
>So why do you feel you must denigrate people who do put pots and pans
>in their dishwashers? You still have not given a reason as to why we
>should not do so!

"Because it's called dishwasher for a reason."

--
Bruce

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:04:50 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> I typically won't wash pots and pans in the dishwasher because they take up a lot of real estate. I won't wash my non-stick pans in there because I feel it gets them too clean. OTOH, there is a pots and pans setting on the washer as well as some awesome jet nozzles on the back of the washer. I'd like to see those things in action!
>
>There's really no reason to ever clean any pots and pans. Just remove
>your food then leave them sitting on the stovetop. Next meal, just
>heat them up to kill any germs and you're good to go for the next
>meal. Saves lots of time. :-D

That's how you add that je ne sais quoi to a dish.

--
Bruce

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:25:17 -0500, jmcquown
> > >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 11/26/2015 9:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > > On 2015-11-25 11:18 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>>> Really. You guys should try something hard like ginger on
> your >> > >>>> graters. Don't use those sissy big grater part - use
> the fine >> > >>>> side. Poof - there goes your 20 seconds.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Are you counting the time it takes to fill the sink with
> soapy >> > >>> water. Grab the grater, shake it around in the water,
> run a dish >> > >>> brush across it.... 10-15 seconds.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Has it really come to this? Do we have supposedly grown men
> bragging >> > >> about how they can clean a grater in seconds? I'll
> have you know that >> > >> this is not the kind of world I want to
> live in, no sir! This just >> > >> sickens me!
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > > It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters. It is a
> rebuttal of >> > > the claim about what a time consuming job you
> think it is. >> > >
> >> > That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to clean a
> grater. I'd >> > hate to think how difficult it might be for dsi1 to
> clean a garlic press! >> >
> >> A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish bowl. So what?
> >> Nobody thinks twice about putting a water glass through the
> >> dishwasher. There are people here who actually wash their pots &
> pans >> in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
> >
> > Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion like that
> > really longs for an explanation.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I'm with you, pots and pans go in the dishwasher and so would the
> cheese grater too. I don't do dishes!

I do some dishes by hand, but not many. Generally wood chopsticks by
hand and some of my baking equipment.

Carol

--

Bruce wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> >There's really no reason to ever clean any pots and pans. Just remove
> >your food then leave them sitting on the stovetop. Next meal, just
> >heat them up to kill any germs and you're good to go for the next
> >meal. Saves lots of time. :-D
>
> That's how you add that je ne sais quoi to a dish.

It's the secret ingredient to every dish you make that people want to
know but will never guess. People have started successful restaurants
with such secret ingredients.

wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:58:54 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:32:51 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:51:48 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:25:17 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/26/2015 9:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-25 11:18 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really. You guys should try something hard like ginger on your
>>>>>>>>>>> graters. Don't use those sissy big grater part - use the fine
>>>>>>>>>>> side. Poof - there goes your 20 seconds.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you counting the time it takes to fill the sink with soapy
>>>>>>>>>> water. Grab the grater, shake it around in the water, run a dish
>>>>>>>>>> brush across it.... 10-15 seconds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Has it really come to this? Do we have supposedly grown men bragging
>>>>>>>>> about how they can clean a grater in seconds? I'll have you know that
>>>>>>>>> this is not the kind of world I want to live in, no sir! This just
>>>>>>>>> sickens me!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters. It is a rebuttal of
>>>>>>>> the claim about what a time consuming job you think it is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to clean a grater. I'd
>>>>>>> hate to think how difficult it might be for dsi1 to clean a garlic press!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish bowl. So what?
>>>>>> Nobody thinks twice about putting a water glass through the
>>>>>> dishwasher. There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
>>>>>> in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion like that
>>>>> really longs for an explanation.
>>>>>
>>>> People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's called
>>>> dishwasher for a reason.
>>>
>>> Are you saying you don't put cups and cutlery in it? I'd put the
>>> entire house in it if I could.
>>
>> The last time I checked, cups were covered under the term "dishes".
>> What you mean by cutlery is anybody's guess. If you're talking about
>> the knives you use to prepare your food, the answer a resounding no.
>> If you're talking about knives, forks, and spoons used to eat or serve
>> food, then you're a pedant who can't see the forest for all the trees.
>> The point remains that people who wash their pots & pans in the
>> dishwasher have no business denigrating dsi1 for putting a ginger
>> grater in his.
>
> So why do you feel you must denigrate people who do put pots and pans
> in their dishwashers? You still have not given a reason as to why we
> should not do so!
>
You'll unemploy a houseful of servants...

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:32:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> >There's really no reason to ever clean any pots and pans. Just remove
>> >your food then leave them sitting on the stovetop. Next meal, just
>> >heat them up to kill any germs and you're good to go for the next
>> >meal. Saves lots of time. :-D
>>
>> That's how you add that je ne sais quoi to a dish.
>
>It's the secret ingredient to every dish you make that people want to
>know but will never guess. People have started successful restaurants
>with such secret ingredients.

Yes, I guess it adds soul.

--
Bruce

cshenk wrote:
> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:25:17 -0500, jmcquown
>> > >> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/26/2015 9:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2015-11-25 11:18 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really. You guys should try something hard like ginger on
>> your >> > >>>> graters. Don't use those sissy big grater part - use
>> the fine >> > >>>> side. Poof - there goes your 20 seconds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you counting the time it takes to fill the sink with
>> soapy >> > >>> water. Grab the grater, shake it around in the water,
>> run a dish >> > >>> brush across it.... 10-15 seconds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has it really come to this? Do we have supposedly grown men
>> bragging >> > >> about how they can clean a grater in seconds? I'll
>> have you know that >> > >> this is not the kind of world I want to
>> live in, no sir! This just >> > >> sickens me!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters. It is a
>> rebuttal of >> > > the claim about what a time consuming job you
>> think it is. >> > >
>>>>> That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to clean a
>> grater. I'd >> > hate to think how difficult it might be for dsi1 to
>> clean a garlic press! >> >
>>>> A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish bowl. So what?
>>>> Nobody thinks twice about putting a water glass through the
>>>> dishwasher. There are people here who actually wash their pots &
>> pans >> in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion like that
>>> really longs for an explanation.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I'm with you, pots and pans go in the dishwasher and so would the
>> cheese grater too. I don't do dishes!
>
> I do some dishes by hand, but not many. Generally wood chopsticks by
> hand and some of my baking equipment.
>
> Carol
>
Chopsticks ought not be re-used unless they're plastic ones.

Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>>> There's really no reason to ever clean any pots and pans. Just remove
>>> your food then leave them sitting on the stovetop. Next meal, just
>>> heat them up to kill any germs and you're good to go for the next
>>> meal. Saves lots of time. :-D
>>
>> That's how you add that je ne sais quoi to a dish.
>
> It's the secret ingredient to every dish you make that people want to
> know but will never guess. People have started successful restaurants
> with such secret ingredients.
>
KFC!

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>sf wrote:
>>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>sf wrote:
>>>
>>>>There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
>>>>in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Why? If there is room, I put them in. They come out nice and shiny,
>>> just like new. I don't always put them in because they take up a lot of
>>> space and if you just boiled pasta, it takes seconds to clean. OTOH, if
>>> you simmered sauce for a few hours, the machine does an excellent job.
>>
>> People who think it's ok to wash pots & pans in the dishwasher
>> shouldn't be picking on dsi1 for washing his ginger grater in one.
>
>I'd put my ginger grater in the DW, but we use little ginger.

I see no reason to ever wash a ginger grater other than to give it a
rinse, ginger isn't oily and it doesn't stick to the grater. The
grater I use is a small ss paddle grater with a plastic handle. I
grate ginger minimally twice a week as I do oriental dishes, mainly
soups... most times I grate ginger directly into the pot of heating
water and then give the grater a swish in the hot water mainly so as
not to waste any ginger that glings rather than run it under the sink
tap. I use that same grater for hard cheese, then I rinse it under
hot tap water, no reason to use soap.

>You did
>not answer my question as to why pots should not go in. The machines
>are made for it and many have a specific cycles for pots and pans.

I already answered in a previous post... the only reason I can think
of for washing pots in a dishwasher is the cook is too lazy to spend
two minutes or less hand washing a pot... I've never had a pot that
needed more than two minutes to hand wash... even if there's some gunk
like egg/cheese you still need to remove most before putting it in the
dishwasher, then I'd soak the pot for some short while and by then I
may as well simply wash it fully clean... washing a pot half way is to
my thinking exactly/precisely the same as brushing ones teeth half
way. Perhaps some simply don't know how to wash metal cookware...
when I washed yesterdays dishes first thing I did was after using a
rubber spatuala to scrape all the drippings into a plastic storage
container was to fill the roasting pan with hot soapy water and the
rack to set aside while I washed the dishes, by then the pan was
pretty easy to scrub with a nylon scrubbie... only one corner had some
carbonized crud that I made quick work of with a half dozen licks of a
stainless steel wire scrubbie. I've never seen a reason to put a
large SS roasting pan in a dishwasher... I did place the rack in
because it's one of those folding "V" racks with a lot of inticate
nooks and cranies, but still I first hit it some with the wire sponge.
The rack folds flat so it takes no more room than a dinner plate, but
it's all wire and adjustible to several positions so is a pain to wash
by hand, but I have... if I wasn't intending to run the dishwasher for
all those plastic containers I would have washed it entirely by hand.
It just took me longer and more effort to type this than to hand wash
all my Holiday dishes/pots/pans.

cshenk wrote:
>
> I do some dishes by hand, but not many. Generally wood chopsticks by
> hand and some of my baking equipment.

LMAO! Chopsticks! Ancient utensils used before anyone was smart enough
to invent a fork. Chopsticks should be used for kindling wood in your
fireplace.

I especially laugh at Americans. We all use forks and spoons like
civilized people but just have a chinese takeout meal and many idiots
revert to chopsticks. It goes way beyond dumb. Just because you can
use them, why would you? Do you still ride a horse to work?

Chama wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >
> > So why do you feel you must denigrate people who do put pots and pans
> > in their dishwashers? You still have not given a reason as to why we
> > should not do so!
> >
> You'll unemploy a houseful of servants...

LOL! Good answer, *** trollie.

Gary wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
>>
>> I do some dishes by hand, but not many. Generally wood chopsticks by
>> hand and some of my baking equipment.
>
> LMAO! Chopsticks! Ancient utensils used before anyone was smart enough
> to invent a fork. Chopsticks should be used for kindling wood in your
> fireplace.

Chopsticks force on to eat more slowly, which is a benefit to digestion.

They also control bite size, another benefit.

>
> I especially laugh at Americans. We all use forks and spoons like
> civilized people but just have a chinese takeout meal and many idiots
> revert to chopsticks. It goes way beyond dumb. Just because you can
> use them, why would you? Do you still ride a horse to work?
>

Says the guy who eschews modern technology...

Gary wrote:
> Chama wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So why do you feel you must denigrate people who do put pots and pans
>>> in their dishwashers? You still have not given a reason as to why we
>>> should not do so!
>>>
>> You'll unemploy a houseful of servants...
>
> LOL! Good answer, *** trollie.
>

What's with the "***" denigration?

Do you have a problem with *** people?

Do you think it's OK to use them for slander like Shelly does?

fascinating how many facets of your persona are being exposed lately.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 14:44:24 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On 2015-11-26 20:20, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> >> But there are stir fries where I really enjoy extra thin
>> >> matchstick-sliced ginger.
>> >
>> > You're full of poopoo till it's leaving brown stains on your pillow
>> > from your ears... I grate ginger at least 2-3 times a week for my
>> > oriental soups and stir fries... there is *never* any reason to
>> > julienne ginger. I'm possitive you've never prepared any food more
>> > complex than a bowl of flackie wackies and Criscoed a big dick for
>> > your faggot ass.
>> >
>>
>> Actually, there are reasons to julienne ginger. As for the claim about
>> extra thin matchstick.... that is a crock. Matchstick is a particular
>> size. Coincidentally, it corresponds to the thickness of a matchstick.
>> There is no extra thin matchstick.
>
> When I want matchsticks of anything I use a julienne blade on the FP.
>
> I grate ginger by hand, on the fine side of the ss grater.
>
> Janet UK

When I want julienne I use a chef's knife... I gaurantee I'm faster
than your FP because I don't need to prep veggies to fit the FP tube
and it takes 10 seconds to rinse a knife and cutting board... and my
julienne is far more precise than any homemaker's food processor... I
don't see the point to a bowl of mish moshed bits. I very often
julienne cooked meats, make slices with a knife, stack some 6/8 high
and julienne a cupful with a knife in less than one minute...
vegetables are even easier and faster. I know I can shred a ten pound
cabbage in less than half the time you can with your FP, and I'll be
all cleaned up, put away, and sipping something cold before you're
half way, and my shreds will be neater, they'll be lovely thin shreds,
not all chewed up and spit out bits... I'll be halfway finished before
you prep your cabbage to fit and make your first shred.

On 27 Nov 2015 16:03:36 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-11-27, > wrote:
>
>> does a better job than metal and they ALL go in the dishwasher
>
>I AM the dishwasher!
>
>nb

Me too... and I have the over sized sink and rubber gloves to prove
it... besides I haven't seen the home dishwashing machine that can
handle my big pots.

dsi1 wrote:
>
>Yes, I cannot clean a grater in 10 or even 20 seconds. Can
>anyone - except you? It takes me a damn long time to clean my
>grater.

There's definitely something wrong with your grater, and with you. WTF
are you using for a grater, a chainsaw?

On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 8:05:32 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > I typically won't wash pots and pans in the dishwasher because they take up a lot of real estate. I won't wash my non-stick pans in there because I feel it gets them too clean. OTOH, there is a pots and pans setting on the washer as well as some awesome jet nozzles on the back of the washer. I'd like to see those things in action!
>
> There's really no reason to ever clean any pots and pans. Just remove
> your food then leave them sitting on the stovetop. Next meal, just
> heat them up to kill any germs and you're good to go for the next
> meal. Saves lots of time. :-D

I save time and money by just leaving the pots by the anthill out back. They're clean as a whistle in a couple of hours! Ants rock!

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 05:05:54 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:00:44 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 04:22:00 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:58:54 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:32:51 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:51:48 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> > > > It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters. It is a rebuttal of
> >> >> >> > > > the claim about what a time consuming job you think it is.
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to clean a grater. I'd
> >> >> >> > > hate to think how difficult it might be for dsi1 to clean a garlic press!
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish bowl. So what?
> >> >> >> > Nobody thinks twice about putting a water glass through the
> >> >> >> > dishwasher. There are people here who actually wash their pots & pans
> >> >> >> > in the dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion like that
> >> >> >> really longs for an explanation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's called
> >> >> >dishwasher for a reason.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you saying you don't put cups and cutlery in it? I'd put the
> >> >> entire house in it if I could.
> >> >
> >> >The last time I checked, cups were covered under the term "dishes".
> >>
> >> So dishes include dishes and cups, but not pots and pans. I'll have to
> >> be careful with my wording next time I instruct the maid.
> >>
> >> >What you mean by cutlery is anybody's guess. If you're talking about
> >> >the knives you use to prepare your food, the answer a resounding no.
> >> >If you're talking about knives, forks, and spoons used to eat or serve
> >> >food,
> >>
> >> You said it was anybody's guess, but you got it right away. Is cutlery
> >> not used in American?
> >>
> >> > then you're a pedant who can't see the forest for all the trees.
> >>
> >> Because of the word cutlery?
> >>
Oh come on, stop being so dense. I didn't know if you were talking
about flatware of kitchen knives.

> >> >The point remains that people who wash their pots & pans in the
> >> >dishwasher have no business denigrating dsi1 for putting a ginger
> >> >grater in his.
> >>
> >> I have no opinion about dsi1 and his ginger grater.
> >
> >That is what started this.
>
> So is cutlery unamerican? The word, I mean, not the concept.

Nobody I know uses that term to mean knives, forks & spoons.

--

sf

dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 8:05:32 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> I typically won't wash pots and pans in the dishwasher because they take up a lot of real estate. I won't wash my non-stick pans in there because I feel it gets them too clean. OTOH, there is a pots and pans setting on the washer as well as some awesome jet nozzles on the back of the washer. I'd like to see those things in action!
>>
>> There's really no reason to ever clean any pots and pans. Just remove
>> your food then leave them sitting on the stovetop. Next meal, just
>> heat them up to kill any germs and you're good to go for the next
>> meal. Saves lots of time. :-D
>
> I save time and money by just leaving the pots by the anthill out back. They're clean as a whistle in a couple of hours! Ants rock!
>

Alien Ant Farm!

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 14:44:24 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> >says...
> >>
> >> On 2015-11-26 20:20, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>
> >> >> But there are stir fries where I really enjoy extra thin
> >> >> matchstick-sliced ginger.
> >> >
> >> > You're full of poopoo till it's leaving brown stains on your pillow
> >> > from your ears... I grate ginger at least 2-3 times a week for my
> >> > oriental soups and stir fries... there is *never* any reason to
> >> > julienne ginger. I'm possitive you've never prepared any food more
> >> > complex than a bowl of flackie wackies and Criscoed a big dick for
> >> > your faggot ass.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Actually, there are reasons to julienne ginger. As for the claim about
> >> extra thin matchstick.... that is a crock. Matchstick is a particular
> >> size. Coincidentally, it corresponds to the thickness of a matchstick.
> >> There is no extra thin matchstick.
> >
> > When I want matchsticks of anything I use a julienne blade on the FP.
> >
> > I grate ginger by hand, on the fine side of the ss grater.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> When I want julienne I use a chef's knife... I gaurantee I'm faster
> than your FP because I don't need to prep veggies to fit the FP tube
> and it takes 10 seconds to rinse a knife and cutting board... and my
> julienne is far more precise than any homemaker's food processor...

I doubt that. A julienne blade cuts every piece the exact same size.


I
> don't see the point to a bowl of mish moshed bits. I very often
> julienne cooked meats, make slices with a knife, stack some 6/8 high
> and julienne a cupful with a knife in less than one minute...
> vegetables are even easier and faster. I know I can shred a ten pound
> cabbage in less than half the time you can with your FP, and I'll be
> all cleaned up, put away, and sipping something cold before you're
> half way, and my shreds will be neater, they'll be lovely thin shreds,
> not all chewed up and spit out bits... I'll be halfway finished before
> you prep your cabbage to fit and make your first shred.

I suggest you look up "julienne". Nothing to do with shredding
cabbage or mish moshed bits.

want to watch Julienne stripping ? I know you do..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WguFZifK88M


Janet UK

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:46:48 -0800, sf > wrote:
>> >
>> >That is what started this.
>>
>> So is cutlery unamerican? The word, I mean, not the concept.
>
>Nobody I know uses that term to mean knives, forks & spoons.

Cutlery might be 'unamerican' but much of the English speaking world
sure uses it.

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 05:05:54 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:00:44 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 04:22:00 +1100, Bruce >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:58:54 -0800, sf > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:32:51 +1100, Bruce >
> > wrote: >> >
> > >> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:51:48 -0800, sf > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:30:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 1:23:52 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >> >> > > > It's not bragging about how fast we clean graters.
> > It is a rebuttal of >> >> >> > > > the claim about what a time
> > consuming job you think it is. >> >> >> > > >
> > >> >> >> > > That and the fact that a dishwasher is required to
> > clean a grater. I'd >> >> >> > > hate to think how difficult it
> > might be for dsi1 to clean a garlic press! >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> > A ginger grater takes the space of a small, flatish
> > bowl. So what? >> >> >> > Nobody thinks twice about putting a
> > water glass through the >> >> >> > dishwasher. There are people
> > here who actually wash their pots & pans >> >> >> > in the
> > dishwasher. That's what I consider beyond ridiculous. >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Why do you consider it beyond ridiculous? An assertion
> > like that >> >> >> really longs for an explanation.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
> > It's called >> >> >dishwasher for a reason.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Are you saying you don't put cups and cutlery in it? I'd put
> > the >> >> entire house in it if I could.
> > >> >
> > >> >The last time I checked, cups were covered under the term
> > "dishes". >>
> > >> So dishes include dishes and cups, but not pots and pans. I'll
> > have to >> be careful with my wording next time I instruct the maid.
> > >>
> > >> >What you mean by cutlery is anybody's guess. If you're talking
> > about >> >the knives you use to prepare your food, the answer a
> > resounding no. >> >If you're talking about knives, forks, and
> > spoons used to eat or serve >> >food,
> > >>
> > >> You said it was anybody's guess, but you got it right away. Is
> > cutlery >> not used in American?
> > >>
> > >> > then you're a pedant who can't see the forest for all the
> > trees. >>
> > >> Because of the word cutlery?
> > >>
> Oh come on, stop being so dense. I didn't know if you were talking
> about flatware of kitchen knives.
>
> > >> >The point remains that people who wash their pots & pans in the
> > >> >dishwasher have no business denigrating dsi1 for putting a
> > ginger >> >grater in his.
> > >>
> > >> I have no opinion about dsi1 and his ginger grater.
> > >
> > > That is what started this.
> >
> > So is cutlery unamerican? The word, I mean, not the concept.
>
> Nobody I know uses that term to mean knives, forks & spoons.

Sorry SF but it's common. It's called Tableware where you are likely.

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