On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 8:58:54 AM UTC-10, Chama wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 4:50:12 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> >> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 7:39:04 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:37:29 -0700, graham > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 27/11/2015 3:47 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>> On 2015-11-27 4:30 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> I especially laugh at Americans. We all use forks and spoons like
> >>>>>>> civilized people but just have a chinese takeout meal and many idiots
> >>>>>>> revert to chopsticks. It goes way beyond dumb. Just because you can
> >>>>>>> use them, why would you? Do you still ride a horse to work?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Some of us like them for some meals. Might add, the average American
> >>>>>> can barely grab a green bean with one because they never learned how.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is quite amazing in this day and age of food television to see so
> >>>>> many celebrities and people in the food service business who do not know
> >>>>> how to handle complicated utensils like spoons and forks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> You only have to go into food courts to see the weird and wonderful ways
> >>>> that people hold their knives and forks.
> >>>> They they chew their food with their mouths open:-(
> >>>> Graham
> >>>
> >>> It's the last that revolts me! All same as cows standing by the fence
> >>> chewing cud, also same effect as chewing gum, that never looks good
> >>> either.
> >>
> >> It's a cultural difference. Yes I have three Chinese housemates now, and they slurp and noisily suck up their bowl of noodle food which to my United Statesian ear sounds like little children who do not know how to eat politely. But in Chinese culture I am pretty sure that eating behavior is considered OK and complimentary for the food being eaten!!
> >>
> >> Knowing that allows me to much more easily tolerate what at first glance I thought was kinda disgusting.
> >>
> >> John Kuthe...
> >
> > You should see how they eat rice:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upm444PAxyo
> >
> Funniest damned paedophile on the planet ;-)

It's quite a sticky wicket, if I do say!

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 1:46:46 PM UTC-6, Ophelia wrote:
> ...
>>
>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down in
>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>
> How do you think the Dinosaurs felt after the meteorite struck the Yucatan
> and made the Gulf Of Mexico? BOOM!
>
> Mother Nature can be brutal in her remodeling!!

Gosh, did the Dinosaurs have asthma too??


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On 2015-11-28 2:36 PM, Janet B wrote:

> It's very dry here during pollination time. If you leave your car
> outside for any length of time at all the windshield will be covered
> with yellow pine pollen dust. You can see the stuff drifting through
> the air.
>

I have a number of spruce trees around my property and it is not usually
dry when they pollinating. If I brush on with the lawn tractor they
will dump a bunch of it on the tractor. Sometimes there is a heavy rain
that leaves puddles on the lane and when the water dries up there is a
scum of pollen left behind.

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 19:46:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Janet B" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:50:45 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0700, Janet B >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:21:51 -0400, wrote:
>>>>snip
>>>>>
>>>>>My elder daughter reacts to pollen so it's dryer only at that point
>>>>>although they have a garden with a nice line. She hadn't thought of
>>>>>that until the doc asked her. He pointed out that particularly drying
>>>>>sheets on the line meant you never got away from the pollen.
>>>>
>>>>"they" do say that if you have allergies and have been working around
>>>>outside, that you should take a shower and wash your hair when you
>>>>come in. It makes sense that that same pollen and mold would attach
>>>>to hanging wash.
>>>>Janet US
>>>
>>>It was striking when I lived by the sea. There were tall conifers all
>>>the way down to the sea on one side of our property and when they
>>>pollinated the sea would be green with it until the tide went out. So
>>>I think "they" have the right idea if it bothers you. Normally
>>>without the water one is not so aware of just how much comes from
>>>those trees.
>>
>> It's very dry here during pollination time. If you leave your car
>> outside for any length of time at all the windshield will be covered
>> with yellow pine pollen dust. You can see the stuff drifting through
>> the air.
>
>That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down in
>Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(

I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.

On 28/11/2015 11:50 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0700, Janet B >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:21:51 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:34:40 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:49:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/27/2015 4:40 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like you I prefer to hang out my washing. I have a drier but I can't
>>>>>>> remember the last time I used it. I have a good washer too but I got
>>>>>>> rid of my dishwasher because I just wasn't using using it. I now have a
>>>>>>> wee under counter freezer in that space and it is much more useful. I
>>>>>>> have a chest freezer too but not near the kitchen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We used to hang out but have not for a few years. In the winter, it
>>>>>> will take a long time to fry, if not freeze. In the spring there is too
>>>>>> much pollen blowing around. Easier to toss the clothes in the dryer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to love to hang the washing out when I lived by the sea but did
>>>>> not do so when the conifers were pollinating. O has asthma maybe she
>>>>> should give that a thought?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Ed's post did give me pause for thought!
>>>
>>> My elder daughter reacts to pollen so it's dryer only at that point
>>> although they have a garden with a nice line. She hadn't thought of
>>> that until the doc asked her. He pointed out that particularly drying
>>> sheets on the line meant you never got away from the pollen.
>>
>> "they" do say that if you have allergies and have been working around
>> outside, that you should take a shower and wash your hair when you
>> come in. It makes sense that that same pollen and mold would attach
>> to hanging wash.
>> Janet US
>
> It was striking when I lived by the sea. There were tall conifers all
> the way down to the sea on one side of our property and when they
> pollinated the sea would be green with it until the tide went out. So
> I think "they" have the right idea if it bothers you. Normally
> without the water one is not so aware of just how much comes from
> those trees.
>
Some years ago it was estimated that the conifer forests in Norway shed
75,000 tons of pollen every year. What Canada produces must be enormous.
When you consider that each of those pollen grains is ~one-tenth of a
millimetre in length........
Graham

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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 19:46:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:50:45 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0700, Janet B >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:21:51 -0400, wrote:
>>>>>snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My elder daughter reacts to pollen so it's dryer only at that point
>>>>>>although they have a garden with a nice line. She hadn't thought of
>>>>>>that until the doc asked her. He pointed out that particularly drying
>>>>>>sheets on the line meant you never got away from the pollen.
>>>>>
>>>>>"they" do say that if you have allergies and have been working around
>>>>>outside, that you should take a shower and wash your hair when you
>>>>>come in. It makes sense that that same pollen and mold would attach
>>>>>to hanging wash.
>>>>>Janet US
>>>>
>>>>It was striking when I lived by the sea. There were tall conifers all
>>>>the way down to the sea on one side of our property and when they
>>>>pollinated the sea would be green with it until the tide went out. So
>>>>I think "they" have the right idea if it bothers you. Normally
>>>>without the water one is not so aware of just how much comes from
>>>>those trees.
>>>
>>> It's very dry here during pollination time. If you leave your car
>>> outside for any length of time at all the windshield will be covered
>>> with yellow pine pollen dust. You can see the stuff drifting through
>>> the air.
>>
>>That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down in
>>Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>>covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>
> I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.

Ahh I didn't know that.

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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 28/11/2015 11:50 AM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0700, Janet B >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:21:51 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:34:40 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:49:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/27/2015 4:40 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like you I prefer to hang out my washing. I have a drier but I
>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>> remember the last time I used it. I have a good washer too but I
>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>> rid of my dishwasher because I just wasn't using using it. I now
>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>> wee under counter freezer in that space and it is much more useful.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have a chest freezer too but not near the kitchen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We used to hang out but have not for a few years. In the winter, it
>>>>>>> will take a long time to fry, if not freeze. In the spring there is
>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> much pollen blowing around. Easier to toss the clothes in the
>>>>>>> dryer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to love to hang the washing out when I lived by the sea but
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> not do so when the conifers were pollinating. O has asthma maybe she
>>>>>> should give that a thought?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Ed's post did give me pause for thought!
>>>>
>>>> My elder daughter reacts to pollen so it's dryer only at that point
>>>> although they have a garden with a nice line. She hadn't thought of
>>>> that until the doc asked her. He pointed out that particularly drying
>>>> sheets on the line meant you never got away from the pollen.
>>>
>>> "they" do say that if you have allergies and have been working around
>>> outside, that you should take a shower and wash your hair when you
>>> come in. It makes sense that that same pollen and mold would attach
>>> to hanging wash.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> It was striking when I lived by the sea. There were tall conifers all
>> the way down to the sea on one side of our property and when they
>> pollinated the sea would be green with it until the tide went out. So
>> I think "they" have the right idea if it bothers you. Normally
>> without the water one is not so aware of just how much comes from
>> those trees.
>>
> Some years ago it was estimated that the conifer forests in Norway shed
> 75,000 tons of pollen every year. What Canada produces must be enormous.
> When you consider that each of those pollen grains is ~one-tenth of a
> millimetre in length........

oooof

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On 28/11/2015 11:55 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
>> Now I have 2 more to train, eventually:-)
>> Graham
>
>
> How are the new babies doing, Graham?
>
> Janet UK
>
Thanks for asking! They are both doing extremely well and have put on a
lot of healthy weight and their development seems to be on par with
their actual rather than predicted birth date (they were ~2 months
early, 2lbs 13oz and 3lbs 14oz). However, one is still in the NICU* as
she has a problem with reflux that is serious enough that she could
choke while her mother is taking a pee! She is to have surgery for it
next week. Drug therapy didn't work. She's a real fighter, that one!
*3 months in the NICU - thank goodness for the Canadian healthcare system!!!
I'm visiting this afternoon when her mum goes with other so I can cuddle
both:-) and take photos - of course!
Graham

dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 8:58:54 AM UTC-10, Chama wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 4:50:12 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 7:39:04 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:37:29 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/11/2015 3:47 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-11-27 4:30 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I especially laugh at Americans. We all use forks and spoons like
>>>>>>>>> civilized people but just have a chinese takeout meal and many idiots
>>>>>>>>> revert to chopsticks. It goes way beyond dumb. Just because you can
>>>>>>>>> use them, why would you? Do you still ride a horse to work?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of us like them for some meals. Might add, the average American
>>>>>>>> can barely grab a green bean with one because they never learned how.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is quite amazing in this day and age of food television to see so
>>>>>>> many celebrities and people in the food service business who do not know
>>>>>>> how to handle complicated utensils like spoons and forks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You only have to go into food courts to see the weird and wonderful ways
>>>>>> that people hold their knives and forks.
>>>>>> They they chew their food with their mouths open:-(
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the last that revolts me! All same as cows standing by the fence
>>>>> chewing cud, also same effect as chewing gum, that never looks good
>>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> It's a cultural difference. Yes I have three Chinese housemates now, and they slurp and noisily suck up their bowl of noodle food which to my United Statesian ear sounds like little children who do not know how to eat politely. But in Chinese culture I am pretty sure that eating behavior is considered OK and complimentary for the food being eaten!!
>>>>
>>>> Knowing that allows me to much more easily tolerate what at first glance I thought was kinda disgusting.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> You should see how they eat rice:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upm444PAxyo
>>>
>> Funniest damned paedophile on the planet ;-)
>
> It's quite a sticky wicket, if I do say!
>
Lol, an apt turn of the phrase!

;-)

On 28/11/2015 1:31 PM, wrote:

>>
>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down in
>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>
> I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.
>
My b-i-l and I were due to fly to Provence for a cycling holiday but had
to take the TGV instead.
Graham

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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 28/11/2015 1:31 PM, wrote:
>
>>>
>>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down
>>> in
>>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>>
>> I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.
>>
> My b-i-l and I were due to fly to Provence for a cycling holiday but had
> to take the TGV instead.

I hadn't realised it covered such a huge area Or were you in UK at the
time?? Or am I getting very confused now?

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On 28/11/2015 2:02 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 28/11/2015 1:31 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down
>>>> in
>>>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>>>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>>>
>>> I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.
>>>
>> My b-i-l and I were due to fly to Provence for a cycling holiday but had
>> to take the TGV instead.
>
> I hadn't realised it covered such a huge area Or were you in UK at the
> time?? Or am I getting very confused now?
>
I was visiting the UK.

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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 28/11/2015 2:02 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 28/11/2015 1:31 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down
>>>>> in
>>>>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are
>>>>> was
>>>>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>>>>
>>>> I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.
>>>>
>>> My b-i-l and I were due to fly to Provence for a cycling holiday but had
>>> to take the TGV instead.
>>
>> I hadn't realised it covered such a huge area Or were you in UK at
>> the
>> time?? Or am I getting very confused now?
>>
> I was visiting the UK.

Ahh ok
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On 11/28/2015 10:37 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-11-28, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> We didn't need to.
>
> Yet, we see every TV series, which might take place in NYC, the characters
> invariably eat Chinese take-out using chopsticks while eating directly
> from the carton. Such a silly cliché.
>
> The only person I've seen defy this stupidism, at least partially, is
> Chris Noth of Law/order fame. While his fellow cops all ate their
> take-out from the box --with chopsticks, of course!-- Chris
> used a fork. I was shocked! Still, he dined from the box. :|
>
> nb
>
I remember my mom and I laughing about all the Chinese take-out people
ate on TV shows. What, no one ever wants a burger instead?

Jill

On 11/28/2015 11:11 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-11-28 8:49 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> It's what I've always known it as, and I was born and raised american.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Same here, I call it cutlery. It's definitely not the same thing as
>> carving knives.
>
> Cutlery would include the carving knives. Any hand utensil used in the
> preparation of food is cutlery.
>
Do you put your chefs knives in the dishwasher? I don't.

Jill

On 2015-11-28, jmcquown > wrote:

> I remember my mom and I laughing about all the Chinese take-out people
> ate on TV shows. What, no one ever wants a burger instead?

No kidding!

They're always asking each other, "Thai? Italian? Pizza?....", yet
apparently, all food on TV is delivered in Chinese take-out boxes
.....with disposable wooden chopsticks.

nb

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 19:46:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Janet B" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:50:45 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0700, Janet B >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:21:51 -0400, wrote:
>>>>snip
>>>>>
>>>>>My elder daughter reacts to pollen so it's dryer only at that point
>>>>>although they have a garden with a nice line. She hadn't thought of
>>>>>that until the doc asked her. He pointed out that particularly drying
>>>>>sheets on the line meant you never got away from the pollen.
>>>>
>>>>"they" do say that if you have allergies and have been working around
>>>>outside, that you should take a shower and wash your hair when you
>>>>come in. It makes sense that that same pollen and mold would attach
>>>>to hanging wash.
>>>>Janet US
>>>
>>>It was striking when I lived by the sea. There were tall conifers all
>>>the way down to the sea on one side of our property and when they
>>>pollinated the sea would be green with it until the tide went out. So
>>>I think "they" have the right idea if it bothers you. Normally
>>>without the water one is not so aware of just how much comes from
>>>those trees.
>>
>> It's very dry here during pollination time. If you leave your car
>> outside for any length of time at all the windshield will be covered
>> with yellow pine pollen dust. You can see the stuff drifting through
>> the air.
>
>That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down in
>Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(

We got some of that when Mt. St. Helens blew up in 1980.
Janet US

"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 19:46:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:50:45 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0700, Janet B >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:21:51 -0400, wrote:
>>>>>snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My elder daughter reacts to pollen so it's dryer only at that point
>>>>>>although they have a garden with a nice line. She hadn't thought of
>>>>>>that until the doc asked her. He pointed out that particularly drying
>>>>>>sheets on the line meant you never got away from the pollen.
>>>>>
>>>>>"they" do say that if you have allergies and have been working around
>>>>>outside, that you should take a shower and wash your hair when you
>>>>>come in. It makes sense that that same pollen and mold would attach
>>>>>to hanging wash.
>>>>>Janet US
>>>>
>>>>It was striking when I lived by the sea. There were tall conifers all
>>>>the way down to the sea on one side of our property and when they
>>>>pollinated the sea would be green with it until the tide went out. So
>>>>I think "they" have the right idea if it bothers you. Normally
>>>>without the water one is not so aware of just how much comes from
>>>>those trees.
>>>
>>> It's very dry here during pollination time. If you leave your car
>>> outside for any length of time at all the windshield will be covered
>>> with yellow pine pollen dust. You can see the stuff drifting through
>>> the air.
>>
>>That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down in
>>Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>>covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>
> We got some of that when Mt. St. Helens blew up in 1980.

Isn't it dreadful!!!


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On 11/28/2015 2:36 PM, Janet B wrote:
> It's very dry here during pollination time. If you leave your car
> outside for any length of time at all the windshield will be covered
> with yellow pine pollen dust. You can see the stuff drifting through
> the air.
> Janet US

Pollen was particularly bad in my area last spring but it wasn't dry
here in SC. You'd think days of good strong rain on end would wash the
pine pollen off the windows, but no. More like turned it to glue. When
it was finally sunny for a few days in a row and the soil dried out a
bit I went outside and washed the windows. OMG what a mess.

Jill

On 2015-11-28, Janet B > wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 19:46:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:

>>A few years ago when we were down in
>>Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland.

> We got some of that when Mt. St. Helens blew up in 1980.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-4chsCof8k

nb

On 11/28/2015 3:31 PM, wrote:

>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down in
>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>
> I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.
>
My sister's daughter was on her way from Boston (Massachusetts, not
England) to Iceland, and was diverted to Glasgow - so she got to visit
with family in Edinburgh while waiting for her rescheduled flight.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/28/2015 3:31 PM, wrote:
>
>>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down
>>> in
>>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>>
>> I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.
>>
> My sister's daughter was on her way from Boston (Massachusetts, not
> England) to Iceland, and was diverted to Glasgow - so she got to visit
> with family in Edinburgh while waiting for her rescheduled flight.

Nice When we got back up home I learned that there had been no ash up
here! It hadn't come this far north.



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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 13:50:13 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 28/11/2015 11:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>
>>> Now I have 2 more to train, eventually:-)
>>> Graham
>>
>>
>> How are the new babies doing, Graham?
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>Thanks for asking! They are both doing extremely well and have put on a
>lot of healthy weight and their development seems to be on par with
>their actual rather than predicted birth date (they were ~2 months
>early, 2lbs 13oz and 3lbs 14oz). However, one is still in the NICU* as
>she has a problem with reflux that is serious enough that she could
>choke while her mother is taking a pee! She is to have surgery for it
>next week. Drug therapy didn't work. She's a real fighter, that one!
>*3 months in the NICU - thank goodness for the Canadian healthcare system!!!
>I'm visiting this afternoon when her mum goes with other so I can cuddle
>both:-) and take photos - of course!
>Graham

Lol have a cuddly time

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 15:03:26 -0700, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 19:46:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:50:45 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0700, Janet B >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:21:51 -0400, wrote:
>>>>>snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My elder daughter reacts to pollen so it's dryer only at that point
>>>>>>although they have a garden with a nice line. She hadn't thought of
>>>>>>that until the doc asked her. He pointed out that particularly drying
>>>>>>sheets on the line meant you never got away from the pollen.
>>>>>
>>>>>"they" do say that if you have allergies and have been working around
>>>>>outside, that you should take a shower and wash your hair when you
>>>>>come in. It makes sense that that same pollen and mold would attach
>>>>>to hanging wash.
>>>>>Janet US
>>>>
>>>>It was striking when I lived by the sea. There were tall conifers all
>>>>the way down to the sea on one side of our property and when they
>>>>pollinated the sea would be green with it until the tide went out. So
>>>>I think "they" have the right idea if it bothers you. Normally
>>>>without the water one is not so aware of just how much comes from
>>>>those trees.
>>>
>>> It's very dry here during pollination time. If you leave your car
>>> outside for any length of time at all the windshield will be covered
>>> with yellow pine pollen dust. You can see the stuff drifting through
>>> the air.
>>
>>That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down in
>>Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>>covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>
>We got some of that when Mt. St. Helens blew up in 1980.
>Janet US

We also had a really poor summer in 1981 which was due to the
ash/smoke in the atmosphere.

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:41:08 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 11/28/2015 3:31 PM, wrote:
>
>>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down in
>>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>>
>> I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.
>>
>My sister's daughter was on her way from Boston (Massachusetts, not
>England) to Iceland, and was diverted to Glasgow - so she got to visit
>with family in Edinburgh while waiting for her rescheduled flight.

Blew her some good then!

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 13:50:13 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 28/11/2015 11:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>
>>> Now I have 2 more to train, eventually:-)
>>> Graham
>>
>>
>> How are the new babies doing, Graham?
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>Thanks for asking! They are both doing extremely well and have put on a
>lot of healthy weight and their development seems to be on par with
>their actual rather than predicted birth date (they were ~2 months
>early, 2lbs 13oz and 3lbs 14oz). However, one is still in the NICU* as
>she has a problem with reflux that is serious enough that she could
>choke while her mother is taking a pee! She is to have surgery for it
>next week. Drug therapy didn't work. She's a real fighter, that one!
>*3 months in the NICU - thank goodness for the Canadian healthcare system!!!

Or the Australian healthcare system or the Dutch healthcare system or
the German healthcare system or the French healthcare system or the
Belgian healthcare system .. or.. or... Thank goodness for healthcare
systems in civilised countries!

--
Bruce

On 2015-11-28 3:57 PM, graham wrote:
> On 28/11/2015 1:31 PM, wrote:
>
>>>
>>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were
>>> down in
>>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>>
>> I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.
>>
> My b-i-l and I were due to fly to Provence for a cycling holiday but had
> to take the TGV instead.


It might have been almost as nice and was likely a nicer way to travel
and probably didn't take any longer. It takes close to an hour to get
from downtown Paris to the airport. You have to check in early in order
to go through security. There is the flight time, time to collect
baggage and then time to get from the airport to the city. Going by
train you leave downtown and arrive downtown. It is a very scenic train
trip.

We took the TGV from Nice to Paris and I remember what it was like on
the northbound portion. I could see a station ahead and the go by so
quickly I could not read the signs.

On 2015-11-28 4:43 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>> The only person I've seen defy this stupidism, at least partially, is
>> Chris Noth of Law/order fame. While his fellow cops all ate their
>> take-out from the box --with chopsticks, of course!-- Chris
>> used a fork. I was shocked! Still, he dined from the box. :|
>>
>> nb
>>
> I remember my mom and I laughing about all the Chinese take-out people
> ate on TV shows. What, no one ever wants a burger instead?
>

It is television or do people really do that? And why would people who
normally eat with a knife and fork eat Chinese food with chop sticks?

That also leaves me wondering. When you go to a Chinese restaurant
around here you order dishes that are intended to serve to a group as
part of meal. Platters are food are delivered and you share. When I was
in San Francisco recently they had the same deal. My wife and I ordered
two different dishes and shared. It used to be the same at Thai
restaurants around here, but two weeks ago we went to a Thai restaurant
I have never been too before and three of us each ordered a dish and
then there were served to us individually as entrees.


FWIW, in San Francisco the default was chop sticks. I could not see if
the staff were chuckling, but after a few minutes one of the waiters
brought us some forks.

On 2015-11-28 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/28/2015 11:11 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-11-28 8:49 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>> It's what I've always known it as, and I was born and raised american.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Same here, I call it cutlery. It's definitely not the same thing as
>>> carving knives.
>>
>> Cutlery would include the carving knives. Any hand utensil used in the
>> preparation of food is cutlery.
>>
> Do you put your chefs knives in the dishwasher? I don't.
>

I don't. My wife used to. Thank goodness Henkel has a very good
replacement policy. The rivets that hold the handles to the shaft rotted
and it fell apart. It took about 20 years to happen.

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:14:15 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-11-28 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 11/28/2015 11:11 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2015-11-28 8:49 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's what I've always known it as, and I was born and raised american.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>> Same here, I call it cutlery. It's definitely not the same thing as
>>>> carving knives.
>>>
>>> Cutlery would include the carving knives. Any hand utensil used in the
>>> preparation of food is cutlery.
>>>
>> Do you put your chefs knives in the dishwasher? I don't.
>>
>
>I don't. My wife used to. Thank goodness Henkel has a very good
>replacement policy. The rivets that hold the handles to the shaft rotted
>and it fell apart. It took about 20 years to happen.

That's 20 years of not having to clean those knives by hand.

--
Bruce

On 2015-11-28 4:57 PM, notbob wrote:

> They're always asking each other, "Thai? Italian? Pizza?....", yet
> apparently, all food on TV is delivered in Chinese take-out boxes
> ....with disposable wooden chopsticks.
>

We never got boxes like that around here. The only thing that came in
little cardboard boxes was turtles. Chinese dishes used to come in
aluminum foil with cardboard tops. Sometimes now it comes in stryrofoam
containers.

On 2015-11-28 5:56 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 15:03:26 -0700, Janet B >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 19:46:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:50:45 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0700, Janet B >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:21:51 -0400, wrote:
>>>>>> snip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My elder daughter reacts to pollen so it's dryer only at that point
>>>>>>> although they have a garden with a nice line. She hadn't thought of
>>>>>>> that until the doc asked her. He pointed out that particularly drying
>>>>>>> sheets on the line meant you never got away from the pollen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "they" do say that if you have allergies and have been working around
>>>>>> outside, that you should take a shower and wash your hair when you
>>>>>> come in. It makes sense that that same pollen and mold would attach
>>>>>> to hanging wash.
>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>> It was striking when I lived by the sea. There were tall conifers all
>>>>> the way down to the sea on one side of our property and when they
>>>>> pollinated the sea would be green with it until the tide went out. So
>>>>> I think "they" have the right idea if it bothers you. Normally
>>>>> without the water one is not so aware of just how much comes from
>>>>> those trees.
>>>>
>>>> It's very dry here during pollination time. If you leave your car
>>>> outside for any length of time at all the windshield will be covered
>>>> with yellow pine pollen dust. You can see the stuff drifting through
>>>> the air.
>>>
>>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down in
>>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>>
>> We got some of that when Mt. St. Helens blew up in 1980.
>> Janet US
>
> We also had a really poor summer in 1981 which was due to the
> ash/smoke in the atmosphere.
>

In 1982 we visited friends who lived south of Vancouver and heard about
the ash that fell on them after St.Helens blew.

On 11/28/2015 5:29 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-11-28, Janet B > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 19:46:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>
>>> A few years ago when we were down in
>>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland.
>
>> We got some of that when Mt. St. Helens blew up in 1980.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-4chsCof8k
>
> nb
>
Hilarious! Thank you, nb.

Jill

On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 8:50:12 AM UTC-6, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 7:39:04 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:37:29 -0700, graham > wrote:
> >
> > >On 27/11/2015 3:47 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >> On 2015-11-27 4:30 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> I especially laugh at Americans. We all use forks and spoons like
> > >>>> civilized people but just have a chinese takeout meal and many idiots
> > >>>> revert to chopsticks. It goes way beyond dumb. Just because you can
> > >>>> use them, why would you? Do you still ride a horse to work?
> > >>>
> > >>> Some of us like them for some meals. Might add, the average American
> > >>> can barely grab a green bean with one because they never learned how.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> It is quite amazing in this day and age of food television to see so
> > >> many celebrities and people in the food service business who do not know
> > >> how to handle complicated utensils like spoons and forks.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >You only have to go into food courts to see the weird and wonderful ways
> > >that people hold their knives and forks.
> > >They they chew their food with their mouths open:-(
> > >Graham
> >
> > It's the last that revolts me! All same as cows standing by the fence
> > chewing cud, also same effect as chewing gum, that never looks good
> > either.
>
> It's a cultural difference. Yes I have three Chinese housemates now, and they slurp and noisily suck up their bowl of noodle food which to my United Statesian ear sounds like little children who do not know how to eat politely. But in Chinese culture I am pretty sure that eating behavior is considered OK and complimentary for the food being eaten!!
>
> Knowing that allows me to much more easily tolerate what at first glance I thought was kinda disgusting.
>
I don't trip on other folks' eating methods; if a person slurps, or chews with
open mouth, or eats things with hands that my culture dictates should be eaten
with utensils, or even belches in satisfaction at the conclusion, no big deal.
I *do*, however, draw the line at farting at the dinner table.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:58:24 -0800 (PST), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> wrote:

>On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 8:50:12 AM UTC-6, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 7:39:04 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>> > On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:37:29 -0700, graham > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On 27/11/2015 3:47 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > >> On 2015-11-27 4:30 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>> I especially laugh at Americans. We all use forks and spoons like
>> > >>>> civilized people but just have a chinese takeout meal and many idiots
>> > >>>> revert to chopsticks. It goes way beyond dumb. Just because you can
>> > >>>> use them, why would you? Do you still ride a horse to work?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Some of us like them for some meals. Might add, the average American
>> > >>> can barely grab a green bean with one because they never learned how.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> It is quite amazing in this day and age of food television to see so
>> > >> many celebrities and people in the food service business who do not know
>> > >> how to handle complicated utensils like spoons and forks.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >You only have to go into food courts to see the weird and wonderful ways
>> > >that people hold their knives and forks.
>> > >They they chew their food with their mouths open:-(
>> > >Graham
>> >
>> > It's the last that revolts me! All same as cows standing by the fence
>> > chewing cud, also same effect as chewing gum, that never looks good
>> > either.
>>
>> It's a cultural difference. Yes I have three Chinese housemates now, and they slurp and noisily suck up their bowl of noodle food which to my United Statesian ear sounds like little children who do not know how to eat politely. But in Chinese culture I am pretty sure that eating behavior is considered OK and complimentary for the food being eaten!!
>>
>> Knowing that allows me to much more easily tolerate what at first glance I thought was kinda disgusting.
>>
>I don't trip on other folks' eating methods; if a person slurps, or chews with
>open mouth, or eats things with hands that my culture dictates should be eaten
>with utensils, or even belches in satisfaction at the conclusion, no big deal.
>I *do*, however, draw the line at farting at the dinner table.

Here I have to concur... no farting and no nose blowing.
Tonight I picked the turkey carcass with my hands, that's perfectly
acceptable in my opinon, cats didn't mind so long as they got some.

On 28/11/2015 3:50 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 13:50:13 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 28/11/2015 11:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>>> Now I have 2 more to train, eventually:-)
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>> How are the new babies doing, Graham?
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> Thanks for asking! They are both doing extremely well and have put on a
>> lot of healthy weight and their development seems to be on par with
>> their actual rather than predicted birth date (they were ~2 months
>> early, 2lbs 13oz and 3lbs 14oz). However, one is still in the NICU* as
>> she has a problem with reflux that is serious enough that she could
>> choke while her mother is taking a pee! She is to have surgery for it
>> next week. Drug therapy didn't work. She's a real fighter, that one!
>> *3 months in the NICU - thank goodness for the Canadian healthcare system!!!
>> I'm visiting this afternoon when her mum goes with other so I can cuddle
>> both:-) and take photos - of course!
>> Graham
>
> Lol have a cuddly time
>
I did! The little one snuggling on me for over an hour and her "big"
sister for another hour:-)
Graham

On 28/11/2015 4:04 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-11-28 3:57 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 28/11/2015 1:31 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were
>>>> down in
>>>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>>>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>>>
>>> I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.
>>>
>> My b-i-l and I were due to fly to Provence for a cycling holiday but had
>> to take the TGV instead.
>
>
> It might have been almost as nice and was likely a nicer way to travel
> and probably didn't take any longer. It takes close to an hour to get
> from downtown Paris to the airport. You have to check in early in order
> to go through security. There is the flight time, time to collect
> baggage and then time to get from the airport to the city. Going by
> train you leave downtown and arrive downtown. It is a very scenic train
> trip.
>
> We took the TGV from Nice to Paris and I remember what it was like on
> the northbound portion. I could see a station ahead and the go by so
> quickly I could not read the signs.
>
We would have flown to Marseilles and then taken a train to Orange. As
it happens, using the TGV and a local train, we arrived in Orange at
about the same time that we would have if we had flown.
2 years ago we took the TGV to Paris and then had to dash to another
station to get the Dijon train. Luckily it was a public holiday so we
made it in time.
Graham

--
Deep within the heart of every evangelist lies the wreck of
a car salesman.
H.L. Mencken

On 28/11/2015 3:03 PM, Janet B wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 19:46:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:50:45 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0700, Janet B >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:21:51 -0400, wrote:
>>>>> snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My elder daughter reacts to pollen so it's dryer only at that point
>>>>>> although they have a garden with a nice line. She hadn't thought of
>>>>>> that until the doc asked her. He pointed out that particularly drying
>>>>>> sheets on the line meant you never got away from the pollen.
>>>>>
>>>>> "they" do say that if you have allergies and have been working around
>>>>> outside, that you should take a shower and wash your hair when you
>>>>> come in. It makes sense that that same pollen and mold would attach
>>>>> to hanging wash.
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>> It was striking when I lived by the sea. There were tall conifers all
>>>> the way down to the sea on one side of our property and when they
>>>> pollinated the sea would be green with it until the tide went out. So
>>>> I think "they" have the right idea if it bothers you. Normally
>>>> without the water one is not so aware of just how much comes from
>>>> those trees.
>>>
>>> It's very dry here during pollination time. If you leave your car
>>> outside for any length of time at all the windshield will be covered
>>> with yellow pine pollen dust. You can see the stuff drifting through
>>> the air.
>>
>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down in
>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
>
> We got some of that when Mt. St. Helens blew up in 1980.
> Janet US
>
My boss was in Montana when that happened. He scraped some dust off his
car and we took an electron microscope photo of it that was published in
the local paper.
Graham

--
Deep within the heart of every evangelist lies the wreck of
a car salesman.
H.L. Mencken

On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 3:02:44 PM UTC-6, Ophelia wrote:
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 28/11/2015 1:31 PM, wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> That sounds more than a bit scary! A few years ago when we were down
> >>> in
> >>> Oxford (south of England) a volcano blew in Iceland. The whole are was
> >>> covered in volcanic ash. Man I thought I was going to die(
> >>
> >> I remember that, flights from here to the UK were all delayed.
> >>
> > My b-i-l and I were due to fly to Provence for a cycling holiday but had
> > to take the TGV instead.
>
> I hadn't realised it covered such a huge area Or were you in UK at the
> time?? Or am I getting very confused now?
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

We saw ash in the sky from Mt St Helens in Washington State all the way in Saint Louis MO, 1980 I think.

John Kuthe...

In article >, says...
>
> On 28/11/2015 11:55 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >
> >> Now I have 2 more to train, eventually:-)
> >> Graham
> >
> >
> > How are the new babies doing, Graham?
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> Thanks for asking! They are both doing extremely well and have put on a
> lot of healthy weight and their development seems to be on par with
> their actual rather than predicted birth date (they were ~2 months
> early, 2lbs 13oz and 3lbs 14oz). However, one is still in the NICU* as
> she has a problem with reflux that is serious enough that she could
> choke while her mother is taking a pee! She is to have surgery for it
> next week. Drug therapy didn't work. She's a real fighter, that one!
> *3 months in the NICU - thank goodness for the Canadian healthcare system!!!
> I'm visiting this afternoon when her mum goes with other so I can cuddle
> both:-) and take photos - of course!
> Graham

Good to hear, and good luck for next week.

Janet