"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" wrote:
>
>> > Ophelia wrote:
>> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
>> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers)
>> >
>> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
>> > his mind.
>>
>> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>
> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
> Really?

Pah you can't come without Mia!!! I am afraid you will just have to do
without <g>


> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!

I always used to slow cook it but the last couple of times, I cooked it in
the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it off. He
doesn't want it any other way now)

I make my own coating if you are interested but I think you have your own
favourites.





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In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >, gravesend10
> says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:34:01 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>graham wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Graham
> >> >>
> >> >>"In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are terribly
> >> >>special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
> >> >>pieces of plants."
> >> >>
> >> >><http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to help with
> >> >>digestion of meat but the science on that is new
> >> >
> >> >Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
> >> >that.
> >>
> >> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
> >> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
> >
> > The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
> >(and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
> >deficiency.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.

You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.

Janet UK

In article >, lid says...
>
> On 16/12/2015 11:09 Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >
> >>In article >, gravesend10
> says...
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:34:01 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >>graham wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Graham
> >>> >>
> >>> >>"In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are terribly
> >>> >>special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
> >>> >>pieces of plants."
> >>> >>
> >>> >><http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to help with
> >>> >>digestion of meat but the science on that is new
> >>> >
> >>> >Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
> >>> >that.
> >>>
> >>> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
> >>> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
> >>
> >> The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
> >>(and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
> >>deficiency.
> >>
> >> Janet UK
> >
> > Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
> > amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>
> Let's distinguish between vegetarians and vegans. Vegetarians
> can eat eggs, butter, milk. Vegans don't.

Its amazing that in a discussion group about food, there are still
longterm posters ignorant of either term or the difference between
them.

Janet UK

Ophelia wrote:
>
> I always used to slow cook it but the last couple of times, I cooked it in
> the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it off. He
> doesn't want it any other way now)
>
> I make my own coating if you are interested but I think you have your own
> favourites.

Please do tell. I do have my own frying coating preferences but I'm
always willing to learn other and maybe better ways. Also...do
you ever add some kind of fat or just eat it lean?

On 2015-12-16 9:55 AM, Janet wrote:

>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>
> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>
>

Some do. Some don't. The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
eaten without harming the plant. Each seems to think they are entitled
to bragging rights for their particular school of vegetarianism.

On 16/12/2015 7:48 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-12-16 8:14 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
>> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
>> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
>> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
>>
>
>
> It is tasty and, in my experience, best braised. Rabbit meat used to be
> quite cheap but I was astounded at the high price of it the last time I
> saw it for sale. It was one meat we never had at home when I was a kid.
> My father's parents ran a rabbit ranch and they ate way too much rabbit
> during the Depression.

Move to Canmore, Alberta. There are plenty there for the taking.
Graham

--

On 16/12/2015 8:11 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-12-16 9:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>
>>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>>
>> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
>> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>>
>>
>
> Some do. Some don't. The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
> about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
> dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
> eaten without harming the plant. Each seems to think they are entitled
> to bragging rights for their particular school of vegetarianism.
>
.... and expect those around them to cater to their every whim!
Graham

--

On 16/12/2015 7:55 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
>>
>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:34:01 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are terribly
>>>>>> special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
>>>>>> pieces of plants."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to help with
>>>>>> digestion of meat but the science on that is new
>>>>>
>>>>> Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
>>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
>>>> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
>>>
>>> The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
>>> (and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
>>> deficiency.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>
>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>
> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>
> Janet UK
>
I have a colleague who won't eat anything that has/had eyes.
Graham

--

On 2015-12-16 10:20 AM, graham wrote:

>> Some do. Some don't. The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
>> about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
>> dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
>> eaten without harming the plant. Each seems to think they are entitled
>> to bragging rights for their particular school of vegetarianism.
>>
> ... and expect those around them to cater to their every whim!

Yep. That has been my experience. A friend told me recently about his
son and DiL becoming vegetarian and coming for a visit. They made some
vegetarian dishes but the son objected to them serving meat. They didn't
have to have any. One of my nephews and his wife vegetarian. They
always make the drive down to my brothers for Christmas, Easter and
Thanksgiving, the major feast holidays that feature large roasts, but
they do not want meat served. One year SiL could not cook the meal and
no one else stepped up to take over so they decider to order Chinese
food. The son and DiL wanted them to order only vegetarian dishes.

My brother and his wife cater to their diet, much to the disgust of
another of their sons who usually accepts a standing invitation to our
place. When the parents go to visit with the vegetarians there is no
reciprocal dietary accommodation. The DiL was upset that my brother
dared to cook a steak on their as BBQ. If my brother wants meat with a
meal up there he has to take everyone out for dinner and he gets stuck
with the bill.

On 2015-12-16 10:22 AM, graham wrote:
> On 16/12/2015 7:55 AM, Janet wrote:

>> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
>> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> I have a colleague who won't eat anything that has/had eyes.
>\\


We have a friend who says she won't eat anything whose feet have touched
water.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
> about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
> dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
> eaten without harming the plant.

I have a good vegetarian friend that skips meat only because he loves
animals and won't promote killing them. Most of us are sheltered from
the killing part. Just buy nice tasty meat at the grocery store. I'd
be willing to bet some would become vegetarians if they actually did
have to kill and process for meat.

If that was the case, I would probably eat less meat but maybe not
quit completely. When I was a young teenager, I thought hunting was so
cool. Once I finally started doing it, it was a completely different
ball game. I went deer hunting twice. Once with my grandfather and we
never saw one. The next time was with a friend and I could have so
easily shot this deer (it was only about 50' away and I had my gun up
aiming at it). But it just stood there looking at me, all cute and
innocent, dammit. I ended up lowering my gun and shooing it away.

Then I've told my one rabbit hunting kill story here before. After
than, I went home, cleaned my shotgun and eventually sold it.

In article >, says...

> My best example and reason I will not cater to vegans is my nephew's
> daughter who appeared unexpectedly at a pot luck Boxing Day family
> party. I didn't know she was in town or that she was vegan. She arrived
> late, just as 15 people were ready to eat. My wife scoured the cupboards
> looking for some something she could <?> eat.

in that circumstance I would have handed her a plate and said "help
yourself to whatever you can eat" (surely some vegetables, salad, fruit,
potatoes or rice or beans or bread at a potluck ?); no embarrassment for
anyone.

Janet UK

In article >, says...

> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
> Really?

Don't forget her rabies vaccination certificate.

Traditionally, ferrets travel down the trousers or up the sleeve of
their owner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferret-legging

Janet UK

On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 10:05:18 AM UTC-6, Ophelia wrote:
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > Ophelia wrote:
> >>
> >> "Gary" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Ophelia wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
> >> >
> >> > How about bunny burgers?
> >>
> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers)
> >
> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
> > his mind.
>
> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>
>
Or you could visit Gary. If you haven't seen the USA Southwest...
One thing that the Casa troll agree on is that New Mexico and Arizona
are stunning.
>

--Bryan

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> We have a friend who says she won't eat anything whose feet have touched
> water.

??? WTH? lol

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> I always used to slow cook it but the last couple of times, I cooked it
>> in
>> the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it off.
>> He
>> doesn't want it any other way now)
>>
>> I make my own coating if you are interested but I think you have your own
>> favourites.
>
> Please do tell. I do have my own frying coating preferences but I'm
> always willing to learn other and maybe better ways. Also...do
> you ever add some kind of fat or just eat it lean?

Do you mean how do I fry it? I fry it in whatever ...

For mix: fresh breadcrumbs, Italian seasoning, garlic powder, onion powder,
salt, grated mozzarella.

Don't ask me for quantities because I don't measure, but it seems I could
coat just about anything in that and D will ask for more (???)) I just add
the stuff until it looks right. Oh he likes chops coated in that too.

Oh the bread is my own mix with seeds and wheat flakes

Sorry can't help you more then that.

*awaits sneers* )




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"MisterDiddyWahDiddy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 10:05:18 AM UTC-6, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Ophelia wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > Ophelia wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
>> >> >
>> >> > How about bunny burgers?
>> >>
>> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
>> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers)
>> >
>> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
>> > his mind.
>>
>> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>>
>>
> Or you could visit Gary. If you haven't seen the USA Southwest...
> One thing that the Casa troll agree on is that New Mexico and Arizona
> are stunning.

In my younger years maybe, but I have done too much travelling and living in
different countries. I am happy to stay here now)


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On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 9:55:51 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
> >
> > On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >
> > >In article >, gravesend10
> > says...
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:34:01 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>graham wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Graham
> > >> >>
> > >> >>"In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are terribly
> > >> >>special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
> > >> >>pieces of plants."
> > >> >>
> > >> >><http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to help with
> > >> >>digestion of meat but the science on that is new
> > >> >
> > >> >Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
> > >> >that.
> > >>
> > >> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
> > >> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
> > >
> > > The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
> > >(and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
> > >deficiency.
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> >
> > Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
> > amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>
> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.

He's been ignorant of the difference between vegetarian
and vegan for quite a while, has been informed of the
difference, and still refuses to learn.

Vegetarians: Won't eat anything that kills an animal
Vegan: Won't eat anything that inconveniences an animal

Cindy Hamilton

On 12/16/2015 9:22 AM, graham wrote:
> On 16/12/2015 7:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, gravesend10
>> @verizon.net says...
>>>
>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:34:01 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts
>>>>>>> are terribly
>>>>>>> special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to
>>>>>>> eat
>>>>>>> pieces of plants."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to
>>>>>>> help with
>>>>>>> digestion of meat but the science on that is new
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
>>>>> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any
>>>>> vegetables.
>>>>
>>>> The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and
>>>> dairy
>>>> (and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
>>>> deficiency.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>>
>> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
>> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> I have a colleague who won't eat anything that has/had eyes.
> Graham
>

Linda McCartney said she wouldn't eat anything that had a face. I
said, Oh, too bad for Paul.

Gary wrote:
> BTW - how do you cook rabbit?

Fried and then braised, you?

Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" wrote:
>>
>>> > Ophelia wrote:
>>> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
>>> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers)
>>> >
>>> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
>>> > his mind.
>>>
>>> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>>
>> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
>> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
>> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
>> Really?
>
> Pah you can't come without Mia!!! I am afraid you will just have to do
> without <g>
>
>
>> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
>> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
>> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
>> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
>
> I always used to slow cook it but the last couple of times, I cooked it
> in the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it
> off. He doesn't want it any other way now)

That sounds VERY nice!

>
> I make my own coating if you are interested but I think you have your
> own favourites.

Let's hear yours, please.

graham wrote:
> On 16/12/2015 7:48 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-12-16 8:14 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
>>> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
>>> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
>>> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
>>>
>>
>>
>> It is tasty and, in my experience, best braised. Rabbit meat used to be
>> quite cheap but I was astounded at the high price of it the last time I
>> saw it for sale. It was one meat we never had at home when I was a kid.
>> My father's parents ran a rabbit ranch and they ate way too much rabbit
>> during the Depression.
>
> Move to Canmore, Alberta. There are plenty there for the taking.
> Graham
>

Good time to buy with US$, your economy is tanked.

MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 10:05:18 AM UTC-6, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
>>>>>
>>>>> How about bunny burgers?
>>>>
>>>> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
>>>> persuade him to let me make them into burgers)
>>>
>>> I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
>>> his mind.
>>
>> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>>
>>
> Or you could visit Gary. If you haven't seen the USA Southwest...
> One thing that the Casa troll agree on is that New Mexico and Arizona
> are stunning.

AMEN!!!!!

Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> On 12/16/2015 9:22 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 16/12/2015 7:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:34:01 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts
>>>>>>>> are terribly
>>>>>>>> special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to
>>>>>>>> eat
>>>>>>>> pieces of plants."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to
>>>>>>>> help with
>>>>>>>> digestion of meat but the science on that is new
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
>>>>>> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any
>>>>>> vegetables.
>>>>>
>>>>> The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and
>>>>> dairy
>>>>> (and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
>>>>> deficiency.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>>>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>>>
>>> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
>>> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> I have a colleague who won't eat anything that has/had eyes.
>> Graham
>>
>
> Linda McCartney said she wouldn't eat anything that had a face. I said,
> Oh, too bad for Paul.


ROTFLMFAO!!!!

Punch Line of the week!!!!

On 17/12/2015 01:59 Janet wrote:

> In article >, lid says...
>>
>> On 16/12/2015 11:09 Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article >, gravesend10
>> says...
>> >>>
>> >>> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
>> >>> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
>> >>
>> >> The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
>> >>(and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
>> >>deficiency.
>> >>
>> > Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>> > amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>>
>> Let's distinguish between vegetarians and vegans. Vegetarians
>> can eat eggs, butter, milk. Vegans don't.
>
> Its amazing that in a discussion group about food, there are still
> longterm posters ignorant of either term or the difference between
> them.

Yes, strange. I felt like I was stating the obvious.

--
Bruce

On 17/12/2015 02:11 Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2015-12-16 9:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>
>>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>>
>> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
>> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>>
>>
>
> Some do. Some don't. The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
> about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
> dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
> eaten without harming the plant. Each seems to think they are entitled
> to bragging rights for their particular school of vegetarianism.

Just like you claim bragging rights for narrowmindedness.

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On 17/12/2015 02:20 graham wrote:

> On 16/12/2015 8:11 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-12-16 9:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>>
>>>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>>>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>>>
>>> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
>>> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Some do. Some don't. The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
>> about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
>> dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
>> eaten without harming the plant. Each seems to think they are entitled
>> to bragging rights for their particular school of vegetarianism.
>>
> ... and expect those around them to cater to their every whim!
> Graham

If I was having dinner somewhere where there were no non-meat options,
I'd simply eat anything, except the meat. No catering to any whims
required.

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"Abiquiu" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Gary" wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Ophelia wrote:
>>>> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
>>>> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers)
>>>> >
>>>> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might
>>>> > change
>>>> > his mind.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>>>
>>> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
>>> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
>>> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
>>> Really?
>>
>> Pah you can't come without Mia!!! I am afraid you will just have to do
>> without <g>
>>
>>
>>> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
>>> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
>>> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
>>> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
>>
>> I always used to slow cook it but the last couple of times, I cooked it
>> in the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it
>> off. He doesn't want it any other way now)
>
> That sounds VERY nice!
>
>>
>> I make my own coating if you are interested but I think you have your
>> own favourites.
>
> Let's hear yours, please.

I did, it is here somewhere.




>

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Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Abiquiu" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been
>>>>> able to
>>>>> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might >
>>>>> change
>>>>> > his mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>>>>
>>>> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
>>>> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
>>>> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
>>>> Really?
>>>
>>> Pah you can't come without Mia!!! I am afraid you will just have to do
>>> without <g>
>>>
>>>
>>>> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
>>>> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
>>>> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
>>>> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
>>>
>>> I always used to slow cook it but the last couple of times, I cooked it
>>> in the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it
>>> off. He doesn't want it any other way now)
>>
>> That sounds VERY nice!
>>
>>>
>>> I make my own coating if you are interested but I think you have your
>>> own favourites.
>>
>> Let's hear yours, please.
>
> I did, it is here somewhere.

A replay please?

"Abiquiu" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Abiquiu" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been
>>>>>> able to
>>>>>> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might >
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> > his mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
>>>>> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
>>>>> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
>>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> Pah you can't come without Mia!!! I am afraid you will just have to do
>>>> without <g>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
>>>>> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
>>>>> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
>>>>> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
>>>>
>>>> I always used to slow cook it but the last couple of times, I cooked it
>>>> in the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it
>>>> off. He doesn't want it any other way now)
>>>
>>> That sounds VERY nice!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I make my own coating if you are interested but I think you have your
>>>> own favourites.
>>>
>>> Let's hear yours, please.
>>
>> I did, it is here somewhere.
>
> A replay please?

Oh hang on ... OK

----------------

"For mix: fresh breadcrumbs, Italian seasoning, garlic powder, onion powder,
salt, grated mozzarella.

Don't ask me for quantities because I don't measure, but it seems I could
coat just about anything in that and D will ask for more (???)) I just add
the stuff until it looks right. Oh he likes chops coated in that too.

Oh the bread is my own mix with seeds and wheat flakes

Sorry can't help you more then that.

*awaits sneers* )"
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On 12/16/2015 1:20 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
> Linda McCartney said she wouldn't eat anything that had a face. I said,
> Oh, too bad for Paul.

LOL! IIRC he caught her chowing down on a hamburger once.

Jill

On 17/12/2015 08:27 jmcquown wrote:

> On 12/16/2015 1:20 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>
>> Linda McCartney said she wouldn't eat anything that had a face. I said,
>> Oh, too bad for Paul.
>
> LOL! IIRC he caught her chowing down on a hamburger once.

I know a teetotaller who once had a glass of vodka. Now what?

--
Bruce

On 2015-12-16 10:37 AM, Gary wrote:

> I have a good vegetarian friend that skips meat only because he loves
> animals and won't promote killing them. Most of us are sheltered from
> the killing part. Just buy nice tasty meat at the grocery store. I'd
> be willing to bet some would become vegetarians if they actually did
> have to kill and process for meat.

There is that to it. A lot of people scorn hunters because they think
it is cruel to get meat the old fashioned way, though it seems to be
perfectly acceptable for the native people because it is their tradition.


> Then I've told my one rabbit hunting kill story here before. After
> than, I went home, cleaned my shotgun and eventually sold it.

As I mentioned in another post, my father had had his fill of rabbit
when he was a kid in the Depression and ate way too much it. There is
an interesting scenario in his written account of escaping after being
shot down over Denmark during the war. He has sitting down on a small
hill near a rail line as a train loaded with munitions went by. He waved
at the German Guards and they waved back. A rabbit had hopped over
towards him and stood on it's hind legs, also watching the train go by.
Dad had not eaten in several days and the rabbit was close enough to
grab.... but he didn't.

On 2015-12-16 10:44 AM, Janet wrote:

>> My best example and reason I will not cater to vegans is my nephew's
>> daughter who appeared unexpectedly at a pot luck Boxing Day family
>> party. I didn't know she was in town or that she was vegan. She arrived
>> late, just as 15 people were ready to eat. My wife scoured the cupboards
>> looking for some something she could <?> eat.
>
> in that circumstance I would have handed her a plate and said "help
> yourself to whatever you can eat" (surely some vegetables, salad, fruit,
> potatoes or rice or beans or bread at a potluck ?); no embarrassment for
> anyone.
>

Yep. You may have noticed that I said it was my wife who scoured the
kitchen cupboards to find something the kid could eat.
This is the same great niece who was sitting across from me at a brunch
buffet about a year and a half later. Naturally I was curious about what
a vegan could find to eat at a nice brunch buffet. .... bacon, roast
beef, turkey, devilled eggs, shrimp, pickled herring, smoked salmon....

She is a prime example of why I will not cater to people who follow fad
diets. She is now an accomplished chef and actress and has done a TV
cooking show. She has a small catering business. She can do vegan
stuff, but she does real food too.

On 2015-12-16 10:51 AM, Janet wrote:

> Don't forget her rabies vaccination certificate.
>
> Traditionally, ferrets travel down the trousers or up the sleeve of
> their owner.
>

And.... they are owned by people who seem to get a kick out of it.

On 2015-12-16 1:01 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Vegetarians: Won't eat anything that kills an animal
Cows don't intentionally kill animals.

> Vegan: Won't eat anything that inconveniences an animal
>

Funny how they won't eat something like honey, which doesn't really
inconvenience bees since they live to produce it, but they don't mind
eating the food that other humans have had to labour to produce.

On 17/12/2015 10:01 Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2015-12-16 1:01 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Vegetarians: Won't eat anything that kills an animal
> Cows don't intentionally kill animals.
>
>> Vegan: Won't eat anything that inconveniences an animal
>>
>
> Funny how they won't eat something like honey, which doesn't really
> inconvenience bees since they live to produce it, but they don't mind
> eating the food that other humans have had to labour to produce.

Lol.

--
Bruce

Dave Smith wrote:
> She is now an accomplished chef and actress and has done a TV cooking
> show. She has a small catering business. She can do vegan stuff, but
> she does real food too.

I think I know who she is, long brunette hair?

Bit of a looker.

On 12/16/2015 4:55 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
>>
>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:34:01 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are terribly
>>>>>> special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
>>>>>> pieces of plants."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to help with
>>>>>> digestion of meat but the science on that is new
>>>>>
>>>>> Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
>>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
>>>> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
>>>
>>> The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
>>> (and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
>>> deficiency.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>
>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>
> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>
> Janet UK
>

My son has a friend he calls "The Evil Vegan." He entered one of those
food challenges where you have to eat a ridiculous amount of food. If he
ate a giant burrito, in 30 minutes or less, he gets it free. I went to
take a little walk when he started his half-hour because watching most
people eating like a hog makes me queasy. I come back after 20 minutes
expecting to see him fail but he had long finished. That ****er
terminated that giant veggie burrito with extreme prejudice. Truly he
was the most evil one, or at least, the most evil vegan.

dsi1 wrote:
> On 12/16/2015 4:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, gravesend10
>> @verizon.net says...
>>>
>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:34:01 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are
>>>>>>> terribly
>>>>>>> special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
>>>>>>> pieces of plants."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to
>>>>>>> help with
>>>>>>> digestion of meat but the science on that is new
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
>>>>> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
>>>>
>>>> The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and
>>>> dairy
>>>> (and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
>>>> deficiency.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>>
>> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
>> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>
> My son has a friend he calls "The Evil Vegan." He entered one of those
> food challenges where you have to eat a ridiculous amount of food. If he
> ate a giant burrito, in 30 minutes or less, he gets it free. I went to
> take a little walk when he started his half-hour because watching most
> people eating like a hog makes me queasy. I come back after 20 minutes
> expecting to see him fail but he had long finished. That ****er
> terminated that giant veggie burrito with extreme prejudice. Truly he
> was the most evil one, or at least, the most evil vegan.

No techni-veggie yawn after?

Fortunate he was.