On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:18:15 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
wrote:

>On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
>>>
>>> > I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
>>> > Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
>>> > was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
>>> > farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
>>>
>>> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
>>> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
>>> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
>>> about health.
>>
>> Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>
>To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.

How cruel

On 18/12/2015 07:41 wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:33:45 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On 18/12/2015 00:06 Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/16/2015 12:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> If I was having dinner somewhere where there were no non-meat options,
>>>> I'd simply eat anything, except the meat. No catering to any whims
>>>> required.
>>>>
>>> For those types, it's more than a whim or a dietary preference. It's a
>>> crusade. They're not eating meat because meat is
>>> ***eeeeevvvvviiiiilllll***, and for that reason they can't have it on
>>> their table, can't let other people eat it in their presence, and have
>>> to make comments about other people's choice to eat meat. They've just
>>> gotta bring them to the light.
>>
>>I'm sure those people exist. Just like fanatical, preachy meat
>>eaters exist. This newsgroup is full of them; people who can't
>>stand vegetarians and vegans because they have higher morals than them.
>
> Vegetarians and vegans have higher moral than other people ????????

If their motivation is animal welfare, that goes without saying.

--
Bruce

On 18/12/2015 07:42 wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:02:13 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
>>
>>> I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
>>> Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
>>> was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
>>> farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
>>
>>A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
>>than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
>>about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
>>about health.
>
> Yeah, really?

Well, there goes your little far fetched dig about acres of trees

--
Bruce

On 18/12/2015 07:42 wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:18:15 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
>>>> > Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
>>>> > was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
>>>> > farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
>>>>
>>>> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
>>>> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
>>>> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
>>>> about health.
>>>
>>> Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>>
>>To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.
>
> How cruel

Nothing compared to all the mammals that disappear in your
piehole.

--
Bruce

On 12/17/2015 3:39 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:52:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>> Hubby drinks tea occasionally, but his main drink is water. He drank
>> OJ instead of sodas in his younger days, probably thinking if a little
>> is good, then more is better. Wrong. Type II diabetes has reared its
>> ugly head and he ignored it until he couldn't anymore. It's under
>> control now with proper eating and medication, but cooking was a real
>> challenge the first couple of years. Too few carbs and he's hungry
>> all the time, but too many are bad for him - plus he doesn't need to
>> lose any weight, so he has to eat food that helps his weight stay put
>> and he needs to space eating correctly.
>
> Why do you call him hubby? Doesn't he rate being addressed by his
> name?
>
Why does Ophelia refer to her husband as "himself"?

Jill

On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 3:20:51 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
> >>
> >> > I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
> >> > Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
> >> > was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
> >> > farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
> >>
> >> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
> >> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
> >> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
> >> about health.
> >
> > Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>
> To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.
>
> --
> Bruce

Almost all Primates > Non-Primate Mammals > Fish >>>>>>>> Bryan Simmons > Insects

On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:20:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
> >>
> >> > I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
> >> > Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
> >> > was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
> >> > farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
> >>
> >> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
> >> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
> >> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
> >> about health.
> >
> > Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>
> To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.

How about humans > non-human mammals > fish > insects?

I've just hear bullshit vegan types accuse humans of thinking that a human
life was worth more than the life of an animal, and asking *who is anyone to
judge that humans are worth more than animals?*

>
> --
> Bruce

--Bryan

On 18/12/2015 08:28 wrote:

> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 3:20:51 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
>> >> > Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
>> >> > was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
>> >> > farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
>> >>
>> >> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
>> >> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
>> >> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
>> >> about health.
>> >
>> > Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>>
>> To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.
>>
> Almost all Primates > Non-Primate Mammals > Fish >>>>>>>> Bryan Simmons > Insects

lol

--
Bruce

On 18/12/2015 08:35 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:

> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:20:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
>> >> > Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
>> >> > was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
>> >> > farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
>> >>
>> >> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
>> >> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
>> >> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
>> >> about health.
>> >
>> > Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>>
>> To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.
>
> How about humans > non-human mammals > fish > insects?

Yes.

> I've just hear bullshit vegan types accuse humans of thinking that a human
> life was worth more than the life of an animal, and asking *who is anyone to
> judge that humans are worth more than animals?*

Yes, if I saw a human drowning and an animal drowning and I could save
one, I'd save the human, of course.

--
Bruce

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:43:54 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
wrote:

>On 18/12/2015 07:41 wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:33:45 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 18/12/2015 00:06 Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/16/2015 12:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> If I was having dinner somewhere where there were no non-meat options,
>>>>> I'd simply eat anything, except the meat. No catering to any whims
>>>>> required.
>>>>>
>>>> For those types, it's more than a whim or a dietary preference. It's a
>>>> crusade. They're not eating meat because meat is
>>>> ***eeeeevvvvviiiiilllll***, and for that reason they can't have it on
>>>> their table, can't let other people eat it in their presence, and have
>>>> to make comments about other people's choice to eat meat. They've just
>>>> gotta bring them to the light.
>>>
>>>I'm sure those people exist. Just like fanatical, preachy meat
>>>eaters exist. This newsgroup is full of them; people who can't
>>>stand vegetarians and vegans because they have higher morals than them.
>>
>> Vegetarians and vegans have higher moral than other people ????????
>
>If their motivation is animal welfare, that goes without saying.

In your opinion

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
wrote:

>On 18/12/2015 07:42 wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:18:15 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
>>>>> > Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
>>>>> > was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
>>>>> > farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
>>>>> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
>>>>> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
>>>>> about health.
>>>>
>>>> Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>>>
>>>To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.
>>
>> How cruel
>
>Nothing compared to all the mammals that disappear in your
>piehole.

Do you actually know what I eat? Anymore than you know whether I am
white or not.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:07:21 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/17/2015 3:39 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:52:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> Hubby drinks tea occasionally, but his main drink is water. He drank
>>> OJ instead of sodas in his younger days, probably thinking if a little
>>> is good, then more is better. Wrong. Type II diabetes has reared its
>>> ugly head and he ignored it until he couldn't anymore. It's under
>>> control now with proper eating and medication, but cooking was a real
>>> challenge the first couple of years. Too few carbs and he's hungry
>>> all the time, but too many are bad for him - plus he doesn't need to
>>> lose any weight, so he has to eat food that helps his weight stay put
>>> and he needs to space eating correctly.
>>
>> Why do you call him hubby? Doesn't he rate being addressed by his
>> name?
>>
>Why does Ophelia refer to her husband as "himself"?
>
>Jill

I have no idea but hubby says he is the boss of her!

On 18/12/2015 08:51 wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On 18/12/2015 07:42 wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:18:15 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
>>>>>> > Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
>>>>>> > was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
>>>>>> > farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
>>>>>> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
>>>>>> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
>>>>>> about health.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>>>>
>>>>To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.
>>>
>>> How cruel
>>
>>Nothing compared to all the mammals that disappear in your
>>piehole.
>
> Do you actually know what I eat? Anymore than you know whether I am
> white or not.

Ok, I shouldn't have said that (about the piehole). But am I wrong in
thinking you eat meat?

--
Bruce

On 18/12/2015 08:50 wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:43:54 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On 18/12/2015 07:41 wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:33:45 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 18/12/2015 00:06 Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/16/2015 12:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> If I was having dinner somewhere where there were no non-meat options,
>>>>>> I'd simply eat anything, except the meat. No catering to any whims
>>>>>> required.
>>>>>>
>>>>> For those types, it's more than a whim or a dietary preference. It's a
>>>>> crusade. They're not eating meat because meat is
>>>>> ***eeeeevvvvviiiiilllll***, and for that reason they can't have it on
>>>>> their table, can't let other people eat it in their presence, and have
>>>>> to make comments about other people's choice to eat meat. They've just
>>>>> gotta bring them to the light.
>>>>
>>>>I'm sure those people exist. Just like fanatical, preachy meat
>>>>eaters exist. This newsgroup is full of them; people who can't
>>>>stand vegetarians and vegans because they have higher morals than them.
>>>
>>> Vegetarians and vegans have higher moral than other people ????????
>>
>>If their motivation is animal welfare, that goes without saying.
>
> In your opinion

Yes.

--
Bruce

In article >, says...
>
> On 12/16/2015 12:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On 17/12/2015 02:20 graham wrote:
> >
> >> On 16/12/2015 8:11 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>> On 2015-12-16 9:55 AM, Janet wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
> >>>>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
> >>>>
> >>>> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
> >>>> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Some do. Some don't. The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
> >>> about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
> >>> dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
> >>> eaten without harming the plant. Each seems to think they are entitled
> >>> to bragging rights for their particular school of vegetarianism.
> >>>
> >> ... and expect those around them to cater to their every whim!
> >> Graham
> >
> > If I was having dinner somewhere where there were no non-meat options,
> > I'd simply eat anything, except the meat. No catering to any whims
> > required.
> >
>
> For those types, it's more than a whim or a dietary preference. It's a
> crusade. They're not eating meat because meat is
> ***eeeeevvvvviiiiilllll***, and for that reason they can't have it on
> their table, can't let other people eat it in their presence, and have
> to make comments about other people's choice to eat meat.

I'm a meat eater and have never, ever never known vegans or
vegetarians do or say any of those things.

Janet UK

On 18/12/2015 09:22 Janet wrote:

> In article >, says...
>>
>> For those types, it's more than a whim or a dietary preference. It's a
>> crusade. They're not eating meat because meat is
>> ***eeeeevvvvviiiiilllll***, and for that reason they can't have it on
>> their table, can't let other people eat it in their presence, and have
>> to make comments about other people's choice to eat meat.
>
> I'm a meat eater and have never, ever never known vegans or
> vegetarians do or say any of those things.

I think some meat eaters feel threatened by vegetarians/vegans no matter
what they say or don't say.

--
Bruce

On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 3:52:00 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> On 18/12/2015 08:35 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:20:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >> On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >> >> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
> >> >> > Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
> >> >> > was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
> >> >> > farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
> >> >>
> >> >> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
> >> >> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
> >> >> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
> >> >> about health.
> >> >
> >> > Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
> >>
> >> To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.
> >
> > How about humans > non-human mammals > fish > insects?
>
> Yes.
>
> > I've just hear bullshit vegan types accuse humans of thinking that a human
> > life was worth more than the life of an animal, and asking *who is anyone to
> > judge that humans are worth more than animals?*
>
> Yes, if I saw a human drowning and an animal drowning and I could save
> one, I'd save the human, of course.

But you're not a kooky vegan.
>
> --
> Bruce

--Bryan

On 17/12/2015 12:33 PM, Bruce wrote:

> I'm sure those people exist. Just like fanatical, preachy meat
> eaters exist. This newsgroup is full of them; people who can't
> stand vegetarians and vegans because they have higher morals than them.
>

And here is the perfect case of "holier than thou" attitude!
Graham


--

On 2015-12-17 12:52 PM, sf wrote:

>> If I was really thirsty and looked in the fridge and the only liquid to
>> drink was milk, there would be nothing to drink because I just don't
>> view milk as something to drink.
>
> Hubby drinks tea occasionally, but his main drink is water. He drank
> OJ instead of sodas in his younger days, probably thinking if a little
> is good, then more is better. Wrong. Type II diabetes has reared its
> ugly head and he ignored it until he couldn't anymore.

Thanks to one of my other food issues, orange juice was another thing I
did not drink a lot of. The diet information following my coronary
incident was to eat a lot of fruit..... NOT JUICE.. capitalized.

>It's under
> control now with proper eating and medication, but cooking was a real
> challenge the first couple of years. Too few carbs and he's hungry
> all the time, but too many are bad for him - plus he doesn't need to
> lose any weight, so he has to eat food that helps his weight stay put
> and he needs to space eating correctly.

Glad to hear it is under control. Is oatmeal an option there? I find
that oatmeal porridge has staying power.
>

On 12/17/2015 11:22 AM, Doris Night wrote:

> I have hated milk since I was a small child. I don't know what it is
> about the stuff, but I can't stand the thought of it. Oddly, I am very
> fond of cream, ice cream, etc. I also dislike fat-free yogurt, but the
> full fat (10%) Greek yogurt is a favourite. Maybe it's the absence of
> lactose in cream that makes it acceptable to me.
>
> One of my earliest memories is of being sat down at the kitchen table
> and not allowed up until I drank my glass of milk.

Same with me, almost exactly all that you wrote here but I don't like
Greek yogurt. I can remember having to sit at the table while the milk
got warm and tasted terrible. Many times just to get away from my
parents for being so evil, I drank it down quickly and would then have
to throw up. I like milk occasionally now though.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:54:07 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
wrote:

>On 18/12/2015 05:25 Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On 17/12/2015 17:19 sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 04:29:25 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I still suffer from milk PTSD after having been exposed to "school milk"
>>>>> as a child: frozen in winter, curdled in summer.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to hear it! I attended a 3 room school house and that never
>>>> happened to our milk.
>>>
>>>I guess I went to school before refrigeration.
>>
>> But then you should been able to get milk straight from the cow, even
>> in big cities, before refrigeration people had a cow in their
>> yard...during the '40s/'50s there were truck farms everywhere in
>> Brooklyn, some were a good size and people kept live stock.
>
>But there was no cow in our schoolyard.

Ha! My schoolyard had plenty of big udders!

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:55:08 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
wrote:

>On 18/12/2015 08:51 wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 18/12/2015 07:42 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:18:15 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
>>>>>>> > Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
>>>>>>> > was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
>>>>>>> > farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
>>>>>>> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
>>>>>>> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
>>>>>>> about health.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>>>>>
>>>>>To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.
>>>>
>>>> How cruel
>>>
>>>Nothing compared to all the mammals that disappear in your
>>>piehole.
>>
>> Do you actually know what I eat? Anymore than you know whether I am
>> white or not.
>
>Ok, I shouldn't have said that (about the piehole). But am I wrong in
>thinking you eat meat?

Not much.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:45:21 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 17/12/2015 12:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>> I'm sure those people exist. Just like fanatical, preachy meat
>> eaters exist. This newsgroup is full of them; people who can't
>> stand vegetarians and vegans because they have higher morals than them.
>>
>
>And here is the perfect case of "holier than thou" attitude!
>Graham

You'll never convince him - if he says it, he is convinced he is
right, sort of holier than thou, thou might say.

On 18/12/2015 09:34 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:

> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 3:52:00 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> On 18/12/2015 08:35 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:20:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>> >>
>> >> To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.
>> >
>> > How about humans > non-human mammals > fish > insects?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> > I've just hear bullshit vegan types accuse humans of thinking that a human
>> > life was worth more than the life of an animal, and asking *who is anyone to
>> > judge that humans are worth more than animals?*
>>
>> Yes, if I saw a human drowning and an animal drowning and I could save
>> one, I'd save the human, of course.
>
> But you're not a kooky vegan.

I think most vegans would save the human too. They're not all
nutcases.

--
Bruce

On 18/12/2015 09:58 Brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:54:07 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On 18/12/2015 05:25 Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 17/12/2015 17:19 sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 04:29:25 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still suffer from milk PTSD after having been exposed to "school milk"
>>>>>> as a child: frozen in winter, curdled in summer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to hear it! I attended a 3 room school house and that never
>>>>> happened to our milk.
>>>>
>>>>I guess I went to school before refrigeration.
>>>
>>> But then you should been able to get milk straight from the cow, even
>>> in big cities, before refrigeration people had a cow in their
>>> yard...during the '40s/'50s there were truck farms everywhere in
>>> Brooklyn, some were a good size and people kept live stock.
>>
>>But there was no cow in our schoolyard.
>
> Ha! My schoolyard had plenty of big udders!

lol, I hope you didn't try to milk them.

--
Bruce

jmcquown wrote:
>lucretiaborgia wrote:
>>sf wrote:
>>
>>> Hubby drinks tea occasionally, but his main drink is water. He drank
>>> OJ instead of sodas in his younger days, probably thinking if a little
>>> is good, then more is better. Wrong. Type II diabetes has reared its
>>> ugly head and he ignored it until he couldn't anymore. It's under
>>> control now with proper eating and medication, but cooking was a real
>>> challenge the first couple of years. Too few carbs and he's hungry
>>> all the time, but too many are bad for him - plus he doesn't need to
>>> lose any weight, so he has to eat food that helps his weight stay put
>>> and he needs to space eating correctly.
>>
>> Why do you call him hubby? Doesn't he rate being addressed by his
>> name?

That's how a spouse refers to her house mate when he's a whipping post
wimp.

>Why does Ophelia refer to her husband as "himself"?
>
>Jill

They're likely living separate and apart... alone... or wishing so.

On 18/12/2015 09:45 graham wrote:

> On 17/12/2015 12:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>> I'm sure those people exist. Just like fanatical, preachy meat
>> eaters exist. This newsgroup is full of them; people who can't
>> stand vegetarians and vegans because they have higher morals than them.
>>
>
> And here is the perfect case of "holier than thou" attitude!

Just like you feel holier than someone who robs people and beats
them up. It's unavoidable and justified.

--
Bruce

On 18/12/2015 10:02 wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:45:21 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>>On 17/12/2015 12:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure those people exist. Just like fanatical, preachy meat
>>> eaters exist. This newsgroup is full of them; people who can't
>>> stand vegetarians and vegans because they have higher morals than them.
>>>
>>
>>And here is the perfect case of "holier than thou" attitude!
>>Graham
>
> You'll never convince him - if he says it, he is convinced he is
> right, sort of holier than thou, thou might say.

Just like you're convinced it's bad to kill people. Could I talk you
out of that?

I'm not that holy, by the way. I eat fish.

--
Bruce

On 12/17/2015 4:53 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:07:21 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/17/2015 3:39 PM, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:52:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hubby drinks tea occasionally, but his main drink is water. He drank
>>>> OJ instead of sodas in his younger days, probably thinking if a little
>>>> is good, then more is better. Wrong. Type II diabetes has reared its
>>>> ugly head and he ignored it until he couldn't anymore. It's under
>>>> control now with proper eating and medication, but cooking was a real
>>>> challenge the first couple of years. Too few carbs and he's hungry
>>>> all the time, but too many are bad for him - plus he doesn't need to
>>>> lose any weight, so he has to eat food that helps his weight stay put
>>>> and he needs to space eating correctly.
>>>
>>> Why do you call him hubby? Doesn't he rate being addressed by his
>>> name?
>>>
>> Why does Ophelia refer to her husband as "himself"?
>>
>> Jill
>
> I have no idea but hubby says he is the boss of her!
>
Is that your interpretation? "Hubby" sounds sort of country to me.

I don't expect nor would I ask her to tell us his name. We don't really
need to know it. She's not the only poster who has used that term over
the years I've been here.

As for anyone calling her husband "himself" *that* sure as heck sounds
subservient to me.

Jill

On 17/12/2015 4:40 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/17/2015 4:53 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:07:21 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/17/2015 3:39 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:52:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hubby drinks tea occasionally, but his main drink is water. He drank
>>>>> OJ instead of sodas in his younger days, probably thinking if a little
>>>>> is good, then more is better. Wrong. Type II diabetes has reared its
>>>>> ugly head and he ignored it until he couldn't anymore. It's under
>>>>> control now with proper eating and medication, but cooking was a real
>>>>> challenge the first couple of years. Too few carbs and he's hungry
>>>>> all the time, but too many are bad for him - plus he doesn't need to
>>>>> lose any weight, so he has to eat food that helps his weight stay put
>>>>> and he needs to space eating correctly.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you call him hubby? Doesn't he rate being addressed by his
>>>> name?
>>>>
>>> Why does Ophelia refer to her husband as "himself"?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I have no idea but hubby says he is the boss of her!
>>
> Is that your interpretation? "Hubby" sounds sort of country to me.
>
> I don't expect nor would I ask her to tell us his name. We don't really
> need to know it. She's not the only poster who has used that term over
> the years I've been here.
>
> As for anyone calling her husband "himself" *that* sure as heck sounds
> subservient to me.
>
> Jill

It's very Scottish and not subservient.

--

On 12/17/2015 6:43 PM, graham wrote:
> On 17/12/2015 4:40 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>> As for anyone calling her husband "himself" *that* sure as heck sounds
>> subservient to me.
>>
> It's very Scottish and not subservient.
>
Correct.
It's also used in Ireland - it's an Englishing of a Gaelic word.

On 12/17/2015 6:43 PM, graham wrote:
> On 17/12/2015 4:40 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/17/2015 4:53 PM, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:07:21 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/17/2015 3:39 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:52:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hubby drinks tea occasionally, but his main drink is water. He drank
>>>>>> OJ instead of sodas in his younger days, probably thinking if a
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> is good, then more is better. Wrong. Type II diabetes has reared
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> ugly head and he ignored it until he couldn't anymore. It's under
>>>>>> control now with proper eating and medication, but cooking was a real
>>>>>> challenge the first couple of years. Too few carbs and he's hungry
>>>>>> all the time, but too many are bad for him - plus he doesn't need to
>>>>>> lose any weight, so he has to eat food that helps his weight stay put
>>>>>> and he needs to space eating correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you call him hubby? Doesn't he rate being addressed by his
>>>>> name?
>>>>>
>>>> Why does Ophelia refer to her husband as "himself"?
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I have no idea but hubby says he is the boss of her!
>>>
>> Is that your interpretation? "Hubby" sounds sort of country to me.
>>
>> I don't expect nor would I ask her to tell us his name. We don't really
>> need to know it. She's not the only poster who has used that term over
>> the years I've been here.
>>
>> As for anyone calling her husband "himself" *that* sure as heck sounds
>> subservient to me.
>>
>> Jill
>
> It's very Scottish and not subservient.
>
All I know is my Scottish grandmother (born in 1896) never once referred
to my Scottish born grandfather (also 1896) as "himself".

I only ever heard him call him Geordie. His name was George Thomas Brown.

When referring to him around my brothers and me she called him our
"Grandpa". She still used his name when she was speaking directly to
him. My mother and her siblings called him "Dad".

I do have to say I think my grandmother and my grandfather had pretty
much equal standing in that household. There was no one person "in
charge". They each did their parts, equally, and pretty much without
complaint.

I wish I had been a tad older so I could have thought to ask them about
what they'd seen in their lifetimes. They went from horse & buggy era
in Scotland to the USA... gas lights to electricity. They lived long
enough to see man walk on the moon. That must have been pretty amazing.

I still never heard my very Scottish grandmother ever refer to her her
husband as "himself". <shrug> Scotland is bigger than some people
think. My grandparents were from small villages in the area of Glasgow.

Jill

On 12/17/2015 7:18 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> I still never heard my very Scottish grandmother ever refer to her her
> husband as "himself". <shrug> Scotland is bigger than some people
> think. My grandparents were from small villages in the area of Glasgow.
>

I've not noticed 'Himself' much used in that part of Scotland, but it's
not uncommon farther north.

On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 6:32:05 PM UTC-7, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 12/17/2015 7:18 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > I still never heard my very Scottish grandmother ever refer to her her
> > husband as "himself". <shrug> Scotland is bigger than some people
> > think. My grandparents were from small villages in the area of Glasgow.
> >
>
> I've not noticed 'Himself' much used in that part of Scotland, but it's
> not uncommon farther north.

I know nothing about the subject but it seems like a term used in respect for their mates...I think its kinda cute.
Kind of like "King of the castle" in a teasing fashion.
===

sf wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 08:39:04 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-12-17 1:16 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>>>> Don't most children like milk?
>>>
>>> My husband told me just today that he stopped drinking milk at an
>>> early age because it made him feel bad. I know as an adult, his
>>> tolerance is one mug of hot chocolate.
>>
>>
>> My three brothers all liked milk and drank a lot of it. I never liked
>> it and it made me feel bad. The only way I could choke down milk was
>> with chocolate in it. Even then I felt bad after eating it, and it left
>> my throat phlegmy. I used to drink tea instead.
>>
>> If I was really thirsty and looked in the fridge and the only liquid to
>> drink was milk, there would be nothing to drink because I just don't
>> view milk as something to drink.
>
> Hubby drinks tea occasionally, but his main drink is water. He drank
> OJ instead of sodas in his younger days, probably thinking if a little
> is good, then more is better. Wrong. Type II diabetes has reared its
> ugly head and he ignored it until he couldn't anymore. It's under
> control now with proper eating and medication, but cooking was a real
> challenge the first couple of years. Too few carbs and he's hungry
> all the time, but too many are bad for him - plus he doesn't need to
> lose any weight, so he has to eat food that helps his weight stay put
> and he needs to space eating correctly.
>

That's a tough row to hoe for sure, my condolences to him.

Bruce wrote:
> On 18/12/2015 07:42 wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:18:15 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
>>>>>> Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
>>>>>> was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
>>>>>> farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
>>>>> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
>>>>> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
>>>>> about health.
>>>>
>>>> Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>>>
>>> To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.
>>
>> How cruel
>
> Nothing compared to all the mammals that disappear in your
> piehole.
>
Boo hoo hoo...

wrote:
> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 3:20:51 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On 18/12/2015 07:16 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On 18/12/2015 01:48 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was listening to BBC this am and they were talking about
>>>>> Vegetarians/Vegans and how quite often they are pretty righteous. It
>>>>> was said they shouldn't be, acres upon acres of trees have been cut to
>>>>> farm the wildly increased desire for soy beans.
>>>>
>>>> A lot more soy beans are used in all kinds of prefab supermarket food
>>>> than disappear in the mouths of vegetarians Besides, it's not just
>>>> about the environment. It's also about animal welfare. And for others
>>>> about health.
>>>
>>> Is the life of an earthworm worth so much less than the life of a cow?
>>
>> To me it is. To me, mammals > fish > insects.
>>
>> --
>> Bruce
>
> Almost all Primates > Non-Primate Mammals > Fish >>>>>>>> Bryan Simmons > Insects
>
Lol.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:55:08 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 12/17/2015 11:22 AM, Doris Night wrote:
>
>> I have hated milk since I was a small child. I don't know what it is
>> about the stuff, but I can't stand the thought of it. Oddly, I am very
>> fond of cream, ice cream, etc. I also dislike fat-free yogurt, but the
>> full fat (10%) Greek yogurt is a favourite. Maybe it's the absence of
>> lactose in cream that makes it acceptable to me.
>>
>> One of my earliest memories is of being sat down at the kitchen table
>> and not allowed up until I drank my glass of milk.
>
>Same with me, almost exactly all that you wrote here but I don't like
>Greek yogurt. I can remember having to sit at the table while the milk
>got warm and tasted terrible. Many times just to get away from my
>parents for being so evil, I drank it down quickly and would then have
>to throw up. I like milk occasionally now though.

Thanks, Cheryl. It's really nice to know I'm not the only person who
went through that.

Doris

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 18:40:32 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 12/17/2015 4:53 PM, wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:07:21 -0500, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/17/2015 3:39 PM, wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:52:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hubby drinks tea occasionally, but his main drink is water. He drank
> >>>> OJ instead of sodas in his younger days, probably thinking if a little
> >>>> is good, then more is better. Wrong. Type II diabetes has reared its
> >>>> ugly head and he ignored it until he couldn't anymore. It's under
> >>>> control now with proper eating and medication, but cooking was a real
> >>>> challenge the first couple of years. Too few carbs and he's hungry
> >>>> all the time, but too many are bad for him - plus he doesn't need to
> >>>> lose any weight, so he has to eat food that helps his weight stay put
> >>>> and he needs to space eating correctly.
> >>>
> >>> Why do you call him hubby? Doesn't he rate being addressed by his
> >>> name?
> >>>
> >> Why does Ophelia refer to her husband as "himself"?
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > I have no idea but hubby says he is the boss of her!
> >
> Is that your interpretation? "Hubby" sounds sort of country to me.
>
> I don't expect nor would I ask her to tell us his name. We don't really
> need to know it. She's not the only poster who has used that term over
> the years I've been here.
>
> As for anyone calling her husband "himself" *that* sure as heck sounds
> subservient to me.
>

Himself always sounds like a put-down to me: referring to someone who
wants to be treated like royalty and is scorned in return.


--

sf

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:07:21 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 12/17/2015 3:39 PM, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:52:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hubby drinks tea occasionally, but his main drink is water. He drank
>>>> OJ instead of sodas in his younger days, probably thinking if a little
>>>> is good, then more is better. Wrong. Type II diabetes has reared its
>>>> ugly head and he ignored it until he couldn't anymore. It's under
>>>> control now with proper eating and medication, but cooking was a real
>>>> challenge the first couple of years. Too few carbs and he's hungry
>>>> all the time, but too many are bad for him - plus he doesn't need to
>>>> lose any weight, so he has to eat food that helps his weight stay put
>>>> and he needs to space eating correctly.
>>>
>>> Why do you call him hubby? Doesn't he rate being addressed by his
>>> name?
>>>
>>Why does Ophelia refer to her husband as "himself"?
>>
>>Jill
>
> I have no idea but hubby says he is the boss of her!

What? That's ridiculous!

Cheri