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On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 1:36:38 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On 22/12/2015 17:28 sf wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:50:22 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:47:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Walmart here in the U.S. charges the maximum they can for baby formula
> >> >because WIC pays for it - a government welfare program that
> >> >reimburses grocery stores for the retail cost of the product. And all
> >> >those WIC recipients just love Walmart, so that's where they buy it
> >> >because the retail price doesn't matter to them.
> >> >
> >> >Walmart is very good at extracting as much money as they can from the
> >> >Government. Half of Walmart's workforce qualifies for food stamps and
> >> >other public assistance programs.
> >>
> >> Even though they have a job? You've gotta love unbridled capitalism!

> >
> > We even have a term for them: working poor. Also, they're blamed for
> > being poor and called lazy - even though many of them hold several
> > part time jobs trying to make ends meet.

>
> Maybe your country needs that Sanders guy more than Clinton or Trump.


Probably, but since he'd have to work with a legislature whose entire
philosophy is to strangle the government through lack of funding, it
really wouldn't matter; nothing he proposes would be accomplished.

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On 22/12/2015 22:41 Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 1:36:38 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On 22/12/2015 17:28 sf wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:50:22 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:47:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Walmart here in the U.S. charges the maximum they can for baby formula
>> >> >because WIC pays for it - a government welfare program that
>> >> >reimburses grocery stores for the retail cost of the product. And all
>> >> >those WIC recipients just love Walmart, so that's where they buy it
>> >> >because the retail price doesn't matter to them.
>> >> >
>> >> >Walmart is very good at extracting as much money as they can from the
>> >> >Government. Half of Walmart's workforce qualifies for food stamps and
>> >> >other public assistance programs.
>> >>
>> >> Even though they have a job? You've gotta love unbridled capitalism!
>> >
>> > We even have a term for them: working poor. Also, they're blamed for
>> > being poor and called lazy - even though many of them hold several
>> > part time jobs trying to make ends meet.

>>
>> Maybe your country needs that Sanders guy more than Clinton or Trump.

>
> Probably, but since he'd have to work with a legislature whose entire
> philosophy is to strangle the government through lack of funding, it
> really wouldn't matter; nothing he proposes would be accomplished.


Didn't the US always have strong labor unions? Why do they allow Walmart
to pay employees too little to live off?

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Cheri wrote:
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> I shop early like that too since I get up early, but...just because some
> aren't early risers, doesn't make them lazy at all.


You should know me by now. I'm only teasing when I call others lazy.
If anything, I'm the odd one that gets up so early and shops early. I
only said that when someone mentioned the stores being so crowded.
Never crowded early on.

> As far as many stores
> go, they know from tried and true if they open early there will probably
> only be a couple of "Gary's or Cheri's" showing up which doesn't translate
> into a lot of lost dollars. LOL


Very true. My beach grocery store stays open 24 hours during the
summer. From what they tell me, it really isn't worth it...costs of
staying open seem to be more than what the few costomers buy between
midnight and 6am.
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Sqwertz wrote:
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> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:41:01 -0500, Gary wrote:
>
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/21/2015 11:16 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>
> >>> Not if you get your lazy ass up early and go. Most Walmarts are
> >>> open 24/7. Whenever I go, I arrive there at 5am and I'm about the
> >>> only one in the store.
> >>>
> >>> :-D
> >>>
> >> Yeah, right. I'm not getting up at 5am to shop at *any* store, thank
> >> you very much.

> >
> > Then you're lazy too. I get up *every day* at 4:30am. I'm a very early
> > person. I like to go off and shop early too.

>
> So you're like one of those door-to-door evangelists who thinks
> everybody should adhere to the same rules that you do or be damned?


lol. Like a reformed smoker preaching about how evil smoking is.
Like a reformed drinker preaching about how evil drinking is.

I'm a reformed later-day shopper preaching about the early am
shopping.
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Janet B wrote:
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> jmcquown wrote:
>
> >Gary wrote:
> >> Then you're lazy too. I get up *every day* at 4:30am. I'm a very early
> >> person.
> >>

> >I'm not lazy. You just wake up too darned early. I have no reason to
> >drive to the grocery store at 5:00AM. The food will still be there at 10AM.
> >


> At least wait until 8:30 or 9:00. That's when all the fresh produce,
> meats and bakery items have been put out


That's a good point and my loss sometimes for going so early.
Especially the deli. If I want something from there, I have to go
later in the morning. Also sometimes meat on a good sale will be sold
out the night before and I sometimes get there too early before they
put more out. Those are times I have to go back later.

For me though. I just always get up by 4:30. By 6am, I'm ready to go
out and do any shopping for the day...just to get it over with. Sadly,
only my one main grocery store opens that early so that's where I
usually go.

Yesterday, I had to wait until 9am when the lazy bank and other stores
opened. It was horrible.

From the bank though, I went to a dollar store (The Dollar Tree). I
haven't been to one in many years and it was a really fun trip. I got
many cool things for only $1. Peppercorns and some ground pepper..much
cheaper than my grocery store. A new spatula and a "joke" gift for my
neighbor. A new calendar, 2 cheap lightbulbs.

This was one store that was actually worth waiting until 9am. heheeh


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On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 6:49:47 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

> Didn't the US always have strong labor unions?


Mainly in the manufacturing (and public) sector,
and generally not in the South. Laws (bought and
paid for by union dues) in the North favor unions;
laws in the South don't.

The U.S. government is actually fairly weak, compared
to other countries' governments. It's designed into
our Constitution. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The Constitution has (IIRC) nothing to say about labor law.

> Why do they allow Walmart
> to pay employees too little to live off?


Because Walmart's employees are not unionized,
and Walmart busts any attempt to organize.

Walmart likes to give people part-time hours, so
they are not obligated to pay health benefits, etc.


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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:48:25 -0500, Cheryl >
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>On 12/21/2015 12:52 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> This is why the selection at Walmart sucks. 95% of the chip aisle is
>> Frito Lay.

>
>I can see that changing in many stores now that Snyders is buying Diamond.


Here Snyder's leads in pretzels, I love their hard sourdough pretzels.
http://www.snydersofhanover.com/
In the stores here UTZ is the top contender for chips, etc.
http://utzsnacks.com/
Wise is also big here.
http://www.wisesnacks.com/
Lays is trying mightily to hang on here, every week they run big
sales, this week it's buy two get three free... I don't like Lays
potato chips, they leave an unpleasant after taste. None of the other
chip companys run sales, they don't need to.
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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
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> Because Walmart's employees are not unionized,
> and Walmart busts any attempt to organize.


I was involved in an attempt to unionize once. It's
not easy at all..until it happens you work in a very
hostile environment. The union organizers warn employees
that they could be fired even for coming in late
just one minute on any given day.

>
> Walmart likes to give people part-time hours, so
> they are not obligated to pay health benefits, etc.


That's not just Walmart. Many companies have adopted that
policy for many years now.
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 06:18:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 6:49:47 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
>> Didn't the US always have strong labor unions?

>
>Mainly in the manufacturing (and public) sector,
>and generally not in the South. Laws (bought and
>paid for by union dues) in the North favor unions;
>laws in the South don't.
>
>The U.S. government is actually fairly weak, compared
>to other countries' governments. It's designed into
>our Constitution. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
>
>The Constitution has (IIRC) nothing to say about labor law.
>
>> Why do they allow Walmart
>> to pay employees too little to live off?

>
>Because Walmart's employees are not unionized,
>and Walmart busts any attempt to organize.
>
>Walmart likes to give people part-time hours, so
>they are not obligated to pay health benefits, etc.
>
>
>Cindy Hamilton


Wartmart employees in Quebec started to unionise and the store was
instantly closed, even though profitable.


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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:28:57 -0500, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
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>> It works the other way here - they have people working overnight to
>> restock everything and when I shop around 7am I have the benefit of a
>> quiet store and good selection. I can't bear going for groceries when
>> aisles are crowded. It's no sacrifice for me, I have unwillingly
>> become a morning person

>
>Unwillingly? I've been a morning person almost all of my life.
>Morning paper route as a kid for many years, then surfing for way many
>years (early morning is the best time), then my work history always
>has been early...meet at 6am and start at 7am.
>
>I don't sleep in on days off either...better to keep the same
>schedule.
>
>Bottom line though is that I just like getting up before the sun does.
>At around 4am, all the annoying drunkards and all night party people
>finally go home and pass out. From 4am on is where I consider the new
>day starting. Dark, very quiet and peaceful. I see the sun rise
>almost every morning. The very few times I've stayed in bed later,
>then got up and it was already light out, I've felt like I missed the
>best part of the day.
>
>One other factor is my little elderly furry friend. She wakes me up
>early even if I don't want to be awakened. I need to deal with her
>then it wakes me up so I often just stay up. No worries though. It's
>all good.


I used to be more of a night person and when the kids were little I
would think 'one day I will be able to stay in bed until noon' - by
the time they were all gone, the ability to do that was gone. I don't
sleep very well and by 5 or 6 might as well get up. Worse in summer
when the sun gets up earlier.
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On 2015-12-22 10:01 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Because Walmart's employees are not unionized,
>> and Walmart busts any attempt to organize.

>
> I was involved in an attempt to unionize once. It's
> not easy at all..until it happens you work in a very
> hostile environment. The union organizers warn employees
> that they could be fired even for coming in late
> just one minute on any given day.
>


I have worked in union and non union shops, and union was much better.


>>
>> Walmart likes to give people part-time hours, so
>> they are not obligated to pay health benefits, etc.

>
> That's not just Walmart. Many companies have adopted that
> policy for many years now.


Most of the retail sector does it. When people work more than a certain
number of hours per week they become eligible for benefits. Most large
retail stores have a minimal number of full time staff and the cover the
slow times of the work week. They use part time staff to cover the peak
periods. For instance, most grocery stores seem to have more shoppers
on Friday evenings and Saturdays. Using part times allows them to have
more staff on when they are needed and saves them having a bunch of
people hanging around with nothing to do.


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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>MaryL wrote:
>>
>> There is some truth to what you wrote, but WalMart has so much influence
>> because of their size that they have a competitive advantage. Here is a
>> small example: I was talking to the owner of one of the local businesses
>> I had in mind, and he admitted that their prices are often higher than
>> WalMart. However, he also pointed out that WalMart can sell certain
>> items at a price that is lower than what he has to pay just to get it in
>> the store. That obviously is not true of everything, but he did give
>> some specific examples. Since Christmas will be here soon, one example
>> he gave was poinsettia plants. He is not stocking them this year
>> because he would have to pay more to get them than WalMart charges to
>> the consumer.

>
>That is what happens when the local guy buys a dozen of something while
>the big guy buys 100,000. The little guy offers service though.
>
>I just bought a new refrigerator. The small local place is actually
>$100 less than the big box store and yes, the delivery service is much
>better. People have the perception the big stores are cheap, but not
>always. Truth is, I'd be willing to pay him $100 more.


The smaller appliance stores don't carry a large array of models, they
stock what they feel are the best performers and since they do their
own servicing they know which require the least servicing. The big
box stores contract with other companies for service and warranty
work. The small appliance store near where I live has been in
business and family run since 1930. Their prices are competitive and
service is excellent, the owner makes the service calls and does the
repairs. The one time I called them was to fix my dryer, when I
vacuumed the lint trap tube with my dust buster the little brush
dropped off and lodged deep inside. I first called several of the
large appliance stores but none could come out for more than a week
and they all wanted about $100 just to come and look. So I called
this local store and he was here in an hour, knew exactly how much of
the machine to take apart, and had the little brush out in 10 minutes,
he also vacuumed the entire insides, amazing how much lint acculates
besides what the lint screen catches. While he had the machine opened
he checked the drive belt too and said it was fine, someone else may
sold me a new belt. He was here a total of a half hour. He charged
me $60. I thought it was well worth it. Next time I need an
appliance I know where to go.
They are on Facebook but I haven't looked as I don't want to log in
again, too much spam... their web site is now under construction.
https://www.facebook.com/LounsburyAppliance/
http://www.lounsburyappliance.com/


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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:47:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
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>On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:44:56 -0700, graham wrote:
>
>> About 10
>> years ago I was shopping around for deals for baby formula and my
>> locally owned supermarket was 30% cheaper than Walmart, and that was the
>> regular price.

>
>Walmart here in the U.S. charges the maximum they can for baby formula
>because WIC pays for it - a government welfare program that
>reimburses grocery stores for the retail cost of the product. And all
>those WIC recipients just love Walmart, so that's where they buy it
>because the retail price doesn't matter to them.
>
>Walmart is very good at extracting as much money as they can from the
>Government. Half of Walmart's workforce qualifies for food stamps and
>other public assistance programs.


Don't you mean half of the Texans qualify for food stamps and other
public assistance programs...
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Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:47:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:44:56 -0700, graham wrote:
>>
>>> About 10
>>> years ago I was shopping around for deals for baby formula and my
>>> locally owned supermarket was 30% cheaper than Walmart, and that was the
>>> regular price.

>>
>> Walmart here in the U.S. charges the maximum they can for baby formula
>> because WIC pays for it - a government welfare program that
>> reimburses grocery stores for the retail cost of the product. And all
>> those WIC recipients just love Walmart, so that's where they buy it
>> because the retail price doesn't matter to them.
>>
>> Walmart is very good at extracting as much money as they can from the
>> Government. Half of Walmart's workforce qualifies for food stamps and
>> other public assistance programs.

>
> Even though they have a job? You've gotta love unbridled capitalism!
>



Why are you feeding the woman-stalker?
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On 2015-12-22 9:30 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> Lays is trying mightily to hang on here, every week they run big
> sales, this week it's buy two get three free... I don't like Lays
> potato chips, they leave an unpleasant after taste. None of the other
> chip companys run sales, they don't need to.


It has been a long time since I have bought potato chips, but I always
thought they were pretty expensive for what you get. They buy potatoes
in such quantities that they don't pay much for them and there is
probably only one potato in a bag. Sure, there is the cost of the
equipment, the oil, packaging, shipping etc, but there is a hell of a
big park-up on those things. Those little ones they make for Halloween
...... there's like 6 chips in one of them.

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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> My lunch hour doesn't afford me enough time to grocery shop.


Maybe your brothers at the Mosque can help you out...
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Bruce wrote:
> On 22/12/2015 22:41 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 1:36:38 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>> On 22/12/2015 17:28 sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:50:22 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:47:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Walmart here in the U.S. charges the maximum they can for baby formula
>>>>>> because WIC pays for it - a government welfare program that
>>>>>> reimburses grocery stores for the retail cost of the product. And all
>>>>>> those WIC recipients just love Walmart, so that's where they buy it
>>>>>> because the retail price doesn't matter to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Walmart is very good at extracting as much money as they can from the
>>>>>> Government. Half of Walmart's workforce qualifies for food stamps and
>>>>>> other public assistance programs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even though they have a job? You've gotta love unbridled capitalism!
>>>>
>>>> We even have a term for them: working poor. Also, they're blamed for
>>>> being poor and called lazy - even though many of them hold several
>>>> part time jobs trying to make ends meet.
>>>
>>> Maybe your country needs that Sanders guy more than Clinton or Trump.

>>
>> Probably, but since he'd have to work with a legislature whose entire
>> philosophy is to strangle the government through lack of funding, it
>> really wouldn't matter; nothing he proposes would be accomplished.

>
> Didn't the US always have strong labor unions?


Past tense dipshit.

> Why do they allow Walmart
> to pay employees too little to live off?


Because they're not unionized, duh.

That's why the rest of us can AFFORD to shop there.



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Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:48:25 -0500, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/21/2015 12:52 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> This is why the selection at Walmart sucks. 95% of the chip aisle is
>>> Frito Lay.

>>
>> I can see that changing in many stores now that Snyders is buying Diamond.

>
> Here Snyder's leads in pretzels, I love their hard sourdough pretzels.
> http://www.snydersofhanover.com/


Utz is better.

> In the stores here UTZ is the top contender for chips, etc.
> http://utzsnacks.com/


Wise is better.

> Wise is also big here.
> http://www.wisesnacks.com/


And better.

> Lays is trying mightily to hang on here, every week they run big
> sales, this week it's buy two get three free... I don't like Lays
> potato chips, they leave an unpleasant after taste. None of the other
> chip companys run sales, they don't need to.


Lays beats all the above hands down.

Low salt Lays are the best chip on the planet, period.

http://www.fritolay.com/snacks/produ...d-potato-chips


http://www.taquitos.net/snacks.php?snack_code=2736

Taste: The regular variety of Lay's is a salty and somewhat greasy chip,
so we were eager to try the lightly salted version. These chips were
about the same consistency as regular Lay's, but you can definitely tell
that there is less salt on them. My first thought was that these tasted
exactly like the regularly salted version of my favorite local brand of
potato chips, Wachusett, so you could taste the potato rather than the
salt and oil. Frito-Lay has a winner with these chips. I will definitely
pick this bag over their regular version any time.

2nd best:

http://www.fritolay.com/lays-kettle-...t-vinegar.html

Sea salt and a kick of tangy vinegar pair perfectly on our LAY’S® Kettle
Cooked 40% Less Fat* Sea Salt & Vinegar potato chips. These chips
contain 40% less fat than regular potato chips.*
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> I don't sleep very well


Good!
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Dave Smith wrote:
> I used to do the cross border shopping thing


Canucks are all ravingly cheap.


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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:28:52 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:50:22 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:47:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:44:56 -0700, graham wrote:
>> >
>> >> About 10
>> >> years ago I was shopping around for deals for baby formula and my
>> >> locally owned supermarket was 30% cheaper than Walmart, and that was the
>> >> regular price.
>> >
>> >Walmart here in the U.S. charges the maximum they can for baby formula
>> >because WIC pays for it - a government welfare program that
>> >reimburses grocery stores for the retail cost of the product. And all
>> >those WIC recipients just love Walmart, so that's where they buy it
>> >because the retail price doesn't matter to them.
>> >
>> >Walmart is very good at extracting as much money as they can from the
>> >Government. Half of Walmart's workforce qualifies for food stamps and
>> >other public assistance programs.

>>
>> Even though they have a job? You've gotta love unbridled capitalism!

>
>We even have a term for them: working poor. Also, they're blamed for
>being poor and called lazy - even though many of them hold several
>part time jobs trying to make ends meet.


exactly.
Janet US
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Dave Smith wrote:
> It has been a long time since I have bought potato chips, but I always
> thought they were pretty expensive for what you get.


Try making your own some day.

Dolt.

The same holds for crackers.
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Janet B wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:28:52 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:50:22 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:47:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:44:56 -0700, graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> About 10
>>>>> years ago I was shopping around for deals for baby formula and my
>>>>> locally owned supermarket was 30% cheaper than Walmart, and that was the
>>>>> regular price.
>>>>
>>>> Walmart here in the U.S. charges the maximum they can for baby formula
>>>> because WIC pays for it - a government welfare program that
>>>> reimburses grocery stores for the retail cost of the product. And all
>>>> those WIC recipients just love Walmart, so that's where they buy it
>>>> because the retail price doesn't matter to them.
>>>>
>>>> Walmart is very good at extracting as much money as they can from the
>>>> Government. Half of Walmart's workforce qualifies for food stamps and
>>>> other public assistance programs.
>>>
>>> Even though they have a job? You've gotta love unbridled capitalism!

>>
>> We even have a term for them: working poor. Also, they're blamed for
>> being poor and called lazy - even though many of them hold several
>> part time jobs trying to make ends meet.

>
> exactly.
> Janet US
>

Only losers do that, not the mainstream.
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On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 10:09:25 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:28:57 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It works the other way here - they have people working overnight to
> >> restock everything and when I shop around 7am I have the benefit of a
> >> quiet store and good selection. I can't bear going for groceries when
> >> aisles are crowded. It's no sacrifice for me, I have unwillingly
> >> become a morning person

> >
> >Unwillingly? I've been a morning person almost all of my life.
> >Morning paper route as a kid for many years, then surfing for way many
> >years (early morning is the best time), then my work history always
> >has been early...meet at 6am and start at 7am.
> >
> >I don't sleep in on days off either...better to keep the same
> >schedule.
> >
> >Bottom line though is that I just like getting up before the sun does.
> >At around 4am, all the annoying drunkards and all night party people
> >finally go home and pass out. From 4am on is where I consider the new
> >day starting. Dark, very quiet and peaceful. I see the sun rise
> >almost every morning. The very few times I've stayed in bed later,
> >then got up and it was already light out, I've felt like I missed the
> >best part of the day.
> >
> >One other factor is my little elderly furry friend. She wakes me up
> >early even if I don't want to be awakened. I need to deal with her
> >then it wakes me up so I often just stay up. No worries though. It's
> >all good.

>
> I used to be more of a night person and when the kids were little I
> would think 'one day I will be able to stay in bed until noon' - by
> the time they were all gone, the ability to do that was gone. I don't
> sleep very well and by 5 or 6 might as well get up. Worse in summer
> when the sun gets up earlier.


When I was a kid, I'd whine, "When I'm a grownup,
I'll stay up as late as I want to".

If I'm not mistaken, I'm ready for sleep earlier
now than when I was 10 years old.

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On 21/12/2015 9:50 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:47:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:44:56 -0700, graham wrote:
>>
>>> About 10
>>> years ago I was shopping around for deals for baby formula and my
>>> locally owned supermarket was 30% cheaper than Walmart, and that was the
>>> regular price.

>>
>> Walmart here in the U.S. charges the maximum they can for baby formula
>> because WIC pays for it - a government welfare program that
>> reimburses grocery stores for the retail cost of the product. And all
>> those WIC recipients just love Walmart, so that's where they buy it
>> because the retail price doesn't matter to them.
>>
>> Walmart is very good at extracting as much money as they can from the
>> Government. Half of Walmart's workforce qualifies for food stamps and
>> other public assistance programs.

>
> Even though they have a job? You've gotta love unbridled capitalism!
>

At long, long last, farmers in Alberta are being legislated to conform
to the same labour laws as every other business. Of course, like all
farmers, they are whining about having to change.
However, the most egregious example is that of a greenhouse owner who
has announced that next year will be his last in business because he
will have to pay his workers overtime, holiday and vacation pay!

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On 22/12/2015 7:18 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 6:49:47 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
>> Didn't the US always have strong labor unions?

>
> Mainly in the manufacturing (and public) sector,
> and generally not in the South. Laws (bought and
> paid for by union dues) in the North favor unions;
> laws in the South don't.
>
> The U.S. government is actually fairly weak, compared
> to other countries' governments. It's designed into
> our Constitution. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
>
> The Constitution has (IIRC) nothing to say about labor law.
>
>> Why do they allow Walmart
>> to pay employees too little to live off?

>
> Because Walmart's employees are not unionized,
> and Walmart busts any attempt to organize.
>
> Walmart likes to give people part-time hours, so
> they are not obligated to pay health benefits, etc.
>
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

In the UK they have the scourge of zero hours contracts.

"A zero-hour contract (or low-hour contract) is the name given to a type
of contract, where the employer purports to have the discretion to vary
the employee's working hours, usually anywhere from full-time to "zero
hours". The employer typically asserts that they have no obligation to
provide work for the employee. The employee may sign an agreement to be
available for work as and when required, so that no particular number of
hours or times of work are specified. The employee is expected to be on
call and receives compensation only for hours worked."

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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> When I was a kid, I'd whine, "When I'm a grownup,
> I'll stay up as late as I want to".


LOL. I used to read comic books underneath the covers after it
was lights out for me. With a flashlight.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, I'm ready for sleep earlier
> now than when I was 10 years old.


As I get up so early, I do often fall asleep early evening or take an
afternoon nap if I'm home all day. You can't burn the candle on both
ends. But I like my odd schedule. Up here and there all night and
always get up by 4:30am. I do well on only about 5 to 5.5 hours sleep
per day though.

Again though...the little furry one does interrupt my sleep. She will
wake me up to carry her to the bathroom area, then I'll feed her and
she goes right back to sleep. Me? I'm wide awake again for another
hour or so. I finally fall asleep and she wakes me up with needs
again. sigh. It's definitely a "labor of love."
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On 12/22/2015 12:43 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 10:09:25 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:28:57 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It works the other way here - they have people working overnight to
>>>> restock everything and when I shop around 7am I have the benefit of a
>>>> quiet store and good selection. I can't bear going for groceries when
>>>> aisles are crowded. It's no sacrifice for me, I have unwillingly
>>>> become a morning person
>>>
>>> Unwillingly? I've been a morning person almost all of my life.
>>> Morning paper route as a kid for many years, then surfing for way many
>>> years (early morning is the best time), then my work history always
>>> has been early...meet at 6am and start at 7am.
>>>
>>> I don't sleep in on days off either...better to keep the same
>>> schedule.
>>>
>>> Bottom line though is that I just like getting up before the sun does.
>>> At around 4am, all the annoying drunkards and all night party people
>>> finally go home and pass out. From 4am on is where I consider the new
>>> day starting. Dark, very quiet and peaceful. I see the sun rise
>>> almost every morning. The very few times I've stayed in bed later,
>>> then got up and it was already light out, I've felt like I missed the
>>> best part of the day.
>>>
>>> One other factor is my little elderly furry friend. She wakes me up
>>> early even if I don't want to be awakened. I need to deal with her
>>> then it wakes me up so I often just stay up. No worries though. It's
>>> all good.

>>
>> I used to be more of a night person and when the kids were little I
>> would think 'one day I will be able to stay in bed until noon' - by
>> the time they were all gone, the ability to do that was gone. I don't
>> sleep very well and by 5 or 6 might as well get up. Worse in summer
>> when the sun gets up earlier.

>
> When I was a kid, I'd whine, "When I'm a grownup,
> I'll stay up as late as I want to".
>
> If I'm not mistaken, I'm ready for sleep earlier
> now than when I was 10 years old.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

I often stay up until about midnight or 1AM, sometimes. When I was a
teen I had a small black and white TV on the nightstand next to lamp by
my bed. I'd stay up late and watch "creature features" on Friday
nights. They started at Midnight. I saw lots of old B&W movies. I
suppose that's where I got my taste for film noir.

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jmcquown wrote:
>
> I often stay up until about midnight or 1AM, sometimes.


I often fall asleep during prime time for an hour or so then I wake up
by midnight. From then on, it's reading, watching some tv, taking the
ferret to the bathroom, cleaning her butt, feeding her. Repeat every
2-3 hours. ;-o
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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Janet B wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> >Gary wrote:
>> >> Then you're lazy too. I get up *every day* at 4:30am. I'm a very early
>> >> person.
>> >>
>> >I'm not lazy. You just wake up too darned early. I have no reason to
>> >drive to the grocery store at 5:00AM. The food will still be there at
>> >10AM.
>> >

>
>> At least wait until 8:30 or 9:00. That's when all the fresh produce,
>> meats and bakery items have been put out

>
> That's a good point and my loss sometimes for going so early.
> Especially the deli. If I want something from there, I have to go
> later in the morning. Also sometimes meat on a good sale will be sold
> out the night before and I sometimes get there too early before they
> put more out. Those are times I have to go back later.
>
> For me though. I just always get up by 4:30. By 6am, I'm ready to go
> out and do any shopping for the day...just to get it over with. Sadly,
> only my one main grocery store opens that early so that's where I
> usually go.
>
> Yesterday, I had to wait until 9am when the lazy bank and other stores
> opened. It was horrible.
>
> From the bank though, I went to a dollar store (The Dollar Tree). I
> haven't been to one in many years and it was a really fun trip. I got
> many cool things for only $1. Peppercorns and some ground pepper..much
> cheaper than my grocery store. A new spatula and a "joke" gift for my
> neighbor. A new calendar, 2 cheap lightbulbs.
>
> This was one store that was actually worth waiting until 9am. heheeh


Ours opens at 8:00 and is one block away so I go there a lot.

Cheri



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On 23/12/2015 01:18 Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 6:49:47 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
>> Didn't the US always have strong labor unions?

>
> Mainly in the manufacturing (and public) sector,
> and generally not in the South. Laws (bought and
> paid for by union dues) in the North favor unions;
> laws in the South don't.
>
> The U.S. government is actually fairly weak, compared
> to other countries' governments. It's designed into
> our Constitution. "The powers not delegated to the United States by
> the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to
> the States respectively, or to the people."


> The Constitution has (IIRC) nothing to say about labor law.
>
>> Why do they allow Walmart
>> to pay employees too little to live off?

>
> Because Walmart's employees are not unionized,
> and Walmart busts any attempt to organize.


Nasty.

> Walmart likes to give people part-time hours, so
> they are not obligated to pay health benefits, etc.


If the government can't stop them and the
customers won't, then the employees are fair game, I suppose.

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Bruce wrote:
>
> Cindy:
> > Walmart likes to give people part-time hours, so
> > they are not obligated to pay health benefits, etc.

>
> If the government can't stop them and the
> customers won't, then the employees are fair game, I suppose.


It's not just Walmart. This has been going on for over 20 years in
many companies. Walmart is just getting all the blame now. They are no
better or worse than many other companies. For companies, it's just
survival. The unions got too greedy and blew it. Companies decided to
take manufacturing overseas.
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:43:45 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 10:09:25 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:28:57 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It works the other way here - they have people working overnight to
>> >> restock everything and when I shop around 7am I have the benefit of a
>> >> quiet store and good selection. I can't bear going for groceries when
>> >> aisles are crowded. It's no sacrifice for me, I have unwillingly
>> >> become a morning person
>> >
>> >Unwillingly? I've been a morning person almost all of my life.
>> >Morning paper route as a kid for many years, then surfing for way many
>> >years (early morning is the best time), then my work history always
>> >has been early...meet at 6am and start at 7am.
>> >
>> >I don't sleep in on days off either...better to keep the same
>> >schedule.
>> >
>> >Bottom line though is that I just like getting up before the sun does.
>> >At around 4am, all the annoying drunkards and all night party people
>> >finally go home and pass out. From 4am on is where I consider the new
>> >day starting. Dark, very quiet and peaceful. I see the sun rise
>> >almost every morning. The very few times I've stayed in bed later,
>> >then got up and it was already light out, I've felt like I missed the
>> >best part of the day.
>> >
>> >One other factor is my little elderly furry friend. She wakes me up
>> >early even if I don't want to be awakened. I need to deal with her
>> >then it wakes me up so I often just stay up. No worries though. It's
>> >all good.

>>
>> I used to be more of a night person and when the kids were little I
>> would think 'one day I will be able to stay in bed until noon' - by
>> the time they were all gone, the ability to do that was gone. I don't
>> sleep very well and by 5 or 6 might as well get up. Worse in summer
>> when the sun gets up earlier.

>
>When I was a kid, I'd whine, "When I'm a grownup,
>I'll stay up as late as I want to".
>
>If I'm not mistaken, I'm ready for sleep earlier
>now than when I was 10 years old.
>
>Cindy Hamilton


These are good examples of be careful what you wish for
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On 23/12/2015 04:44 graham wrote:

> On 21/12/2015 9:50 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:47:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:44:56 -0700, graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> About 10
>>>> years ago I was shopping around for deals for baby formula and my
>>>> locally owned supermarket was 30% cheaper than Walmart, and that was the
>>>> regular price.
>>>
>>> Walmart here in the U.S. charges the maximum they can for baby formula
>>> because WIC pays for it - a government welfare program that
>>> reimburses grocery stores for the retail cost of the product. And all
>>> those WIC recipients just love Walmart, so that's where they buy it
>>> because the retail price doesn't matter to them.
>>>
>>> Walmart is very good at extracting as much money as they can from the
>>> Government. Half of Walmart's workforce qualifies for food stamps and
>>> other public assistance programs.

>>
>> Even though they have a job? You've gotta love unbridled capitalism!
>>

> At long, long last, farmers in Alberta are being legislated to conform
> to the same labour laws as every other business. Of course, like all
> farmers, they are whining about having to change.
> However, the most egregious example is that of a greenhouse owner who
> has announced that next year will be his last in business because he
> will have to pay his workers overtime, holiday and vacation pay!


He's basically saying that his company was never economically viable.

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:01:54 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> When I was a kid, I'd whine, "When I'm a grownup,
>> I'll stay up as late as I want to".

>
>LOL. I used to read comic books underneath the covers after it
>was lights out for me. With a flashlight.
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken, I'm ready for sleep earlier
>> now than when I was 10 years old.

>
>As I get up so early, I do often fall asleep early evening or take an
>afternoon nap if I'm home all day. You can't burn the candle on both
>ends. But I like my odd schedule. Up here and there all night and
>always get up by 4:30am. I do well on only about 5 to 5.5 hours sleep
>per day though.
>
>Again though...the little furry one does interrupt my sleep. She will
>wake me up to carry her to the bathroom area, then I'll feed her and
>she goes right back to sleep. Me? I'm wide awake again for another
>hour or so. I finally fall asleep and she wakes me up with needs
>again. sigh. It's definitely a "labor of love."


Why do you have to carry her to her bathroom ? Sounds like she is
very cat like with her slave
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