On 12/24/2015 1:56 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> 3 other people! <ducking>
>
> -sw

You STALK women, you sick little dwarfy man!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:18:00 -0600
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4



She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And before that the subhuman virus stalked poor Omelet right of the net!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> The facebook group is much more pleasant.

Only because you cower there in mortal fear of being booted by the admins.

You're _done_ here virus, I mean really done.

On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I'm making beef stew just for the hell of it.

You STALK women, you sick little dwarfy man!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:18:00 -0600
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4



She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And before that the subhuman virus stalked poor Omelet right of the net!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> The facebook group is much more pleasant.

Only because you cower there in mortal fear of being booted by the admins.

You're _done_ here virus, I mean really done.

On 12/23/2015 8:26 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Oops! That kinda backfired on you, eh?
>
> -sw

You STALK women, you sick little dwarfy man!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:18:00 -0600
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4



She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And before that the subhuman virus stalked poor Omelet right of the net!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> The facebook group is much more pleasant.

Only because you cower there in mortal fear of being booted by the admins.

You're _done_ here virus, I mean really done.

On 12/26/2015 1:47 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 18:44:25 -0500, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Cheri wrote:
>>
>>> When I got my last fridge I bought insurance for it for five years, which
>>> covers up to 500.00 worth of spoilage. It didn't cost much as I recall and
>>> the last time was a good lesson.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Yes, one can buy extra insurance riders for a homeowner's policy.
>>
>> I've never had $500 worth of perishable food in my freezer, maybe $200
>> tops... much of what people freeze won't spoil from thawing, like ice
>> cubes aren't covered, not baked goods, not vegetables, not cured meats
>> (bacon, ham, etc), plus the home owner is responsible to mitigate
>> damage, ie. obtain dry ice. The most expensive items in my freezer is
>> my large collection of bulk spices, but they wouldn't be covered as
>> they don't spoil from thawing. Right now there's probably about $125
>> worth of real perishables in my freezer, if that much... in my fridge
>> the only thing that would spoil is part of a half gallon of milk,
>> maybe one quart, and maybe a half a quart of mayo.... condiments and
>> canned goods won't spoil, neither fresh produce, eggs, butter, breads,
>> jars of jams, not even a half bottle of Italian salad dressing... oh,
>> I have a piece of cured ham in the fridge I've been picking at, maybe
>> worth $4... I'm tiring of eating it, I'll either freze it to make bean
>> soup or hack it up and toss it in the yard for the wild critters... I
>> already have enough home made soups.
>> I don't care what people claim they were paid for spoiled food,
>> insurance companies are not naive, they don't cover much under basic
>> policies, nor do they reward people for being food horders... if one
>> is foolish enough to buy extra insurance because they are so foolish
>> as to horde food as though they were a supermarket they still won't
>> receive full coverage, plus if making a claim their premiums will go
>> up. There are many things people think are covered under a homeowners
>> policy but are not... for example if a huge tree falls and one of its
>> branches hits your house the damage to your house is covered, like
>> $300 for a bundle of roofing shingles, a 10' length of gutter, and
>> labor, but it won't pay the $1,200 to remove the tree or the $500 to
>> grind the stump and repair landscaping.
>> So again, insurance companies are neither naive or stupid, yoose ain't
>> gettin' over on them... even if they will cover a portion of your food
>> loss they are not going to take your word for what you claim to have
>> lost... they will never believe you had a freezer filled with shrimp
>> and lobster tails nor will they cover ones food hording obsession.
>> Unless you're a food market they are not going to cover your claim for
>> $500 worth of steaks and lamb chops... they'll cover $50 for ground
>> mystery meat, two frozen pizzas, and a few TV Dinners... there is
>> really no way to prove what one had in a home freezer, they don't care
>> about register receipts, anyone can pick all they want from market
>> trash.
>> I have two refrigerator freezers, 90% of what they contain won't spoil
>> if the power is out for a week, cans of beer and soda won't spoil,
>> loaves of frozen bread won't spoil, cans of coffee, tuna, and all
>> kinds of jars of condiments won't spoil. My basement unit contains no
>> meats, only items that can spoil are about 30 quarts of frozen
>> homemade soups, but how can I place a believeable value, I can't, it's
>> only valuable to me for my time and effort, so what I'd do if I knew
>> it's a major outage that may not return power for a week or more I'd
>> put them all in pots on my gas stove and do the old timey soup pot
>> thingy where they can be kept on a low simmer for months, I'd have
>> extra work but I'd save the soups I labored over, it's called
>> mitigating my damages.
>> I've owned many properties and have dealt with homeowners insurance
>> issues of all types, with many rental units too, no way do I believe
>> anyone was given $500 for loss of food due to a power outage, no way,
>> no how, not unless they PAID EXTRA for a rider to cover food spoilage,
>> and then the premiums would be more than the value of the lost food.
>> Once again, insurance companies are neither naive or stupid.
>> I can believe a $140 per year rider to cover an $8,000 diamond
>> engagement ring, but not some moron who'd pay extra premiums to cover
>> spoiled ground mystery meat... to date I've seen no food here worth an
>> insurance rider, 95% of the posters here dine like they eat at
>> Salvation Army soup kitchens, at least from what they've
>> demonstrated... they talk high end but talk is cheap... show me. I
>> don't eat expensively, never claimed to, but I know my feral cats eat
>> better than all the big talkers here who have shown zero. I probably
>> spend more on bird seed than all yoose I-cook-everything-from-scratch
>> fakers... yoose eat so high end but can't even afford a friggin' $89
>> digicam. During the twenty odd years I've posted to this group there
>> have been fewer than twenty posters who have shown their cooking, and
>> it's been those who've claimed the loudest that they cook everything
>> from scratch who have shown nothing.
>> http://www.insureme.com/home-insurance/power-outage
>
> Wow.
>
> -sw
>

Uh... yeah. What does this have to do with the subject? Okay, it was a
ping but it was really about a brand of frozen biscuits. So WOW. What
a thread drift and a rant!

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/26/2015 1:47 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 18:44:25 -0500, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I got my last fridge I bought insurance for it for five years,
>>>> which
>>>> covers up to 500.00 worth of spoilage. It didn't cost much as I
>>>> recall and
>>>> the last time was a good lesson.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Yes, one can buy extra insurance riders for a homeowner's policy.
>>>
>>> I've never had $500 worth of perishable food in my freezer, maybe $200
>>> tops... much of what people freeze won't spoil from thawing, like ice
>>> cubes aren't covered, not baked goods, not vegetables, not cured meats
>>> (bacon, ham, etc), plus the home owner is responsible to mitigate
>>> damage, ie. obtain dry ice. The most expensive items in my freezer is
>>> my large collection of bulk spices, but they wouldn't be covered as
>>> they don't spoil from thawing. Right now there's probably about $125
>>> worth of real perishables in my freezer, if that much... in my fridge
>>> the only thing that would spoil is part of a half gallon of milk,
>>> maybe one quart, and maybe a half a quart of mayo.... condiments and
>>> canned goods won't spoil, neither fresh produce, eggs, butter, breads,
>>> jars of jams, not even a half bottle of Italian salad dressing... oh,
>>> I have a piece of cured ham in the fridge I've been picking at, maybe
>>> worth $4... I'm tiring of eating it, I'll either freze it to make bean
>>> soup or hack it up and toss it in the yard for the wild critters... I
>>> already have enough home made soups.
>>> I don't care what people claim they were paid for spoiled food,
>>> insurance companies are not naive, they don't cover much under basic
>>> policies, nor do they reward people for being food horders... if one
>>> is foolish enough to buy extra insurance because they are so foolish
>>> as to horde food as though they were a supermarket they still won't
>>> receive full coverage, plus if making a claim their premiums will go
>>> up. There are many things people think are covered under a homeowners
>>> policy but are not... for example if a huge tree falls and one of its
>>> branches hits your house the damage to your house is covered, like
>>> $300 for a bundle of roofing shingles, a 10' length of gutter, and
>>> labor, but it won't pay the $1,200 to remove the tree or the $500 to
>>> grind the stump and repair landscaping.
>>> So again, insurance companies are neither naive or stupid, yoose ain't
>>> gettin' over on them... even if they will cover a portion of your food
>>> loss they are not going to take your word for what you claim to have
>>> lost... they will never believe you had a freezer filled with shrimp
>>> and lobster tails nor will they cover ones food hording obsession.
>>> Unless you're a food market they are not going to cover your claim for
>>> $500 worth of steaks and lamb chops... they'll cover $50 for ground
>>> mystery meat, two frozen pizzas, and a few TV Dinners... there is
>>> really no way to prove what one had in a home freezer, they don't care
>>> about register receipts, anyone can pick all they want from market
>>> trash.
>>> I have two refrigerator freezers, 90% of what they contain won't spoil
>>> if the power is out for a week, cans of beer and soda won't spoil,
>>> loaves of frozen bread won't spoil, cans of coffee, tuna, and all
>>> kinds of jars of condiments won't spoil. My basement unit contains no
>>> meats, only items that can spoil are about 30 quarts of frozen
>>> homemade soups, but how can I place a believeable value, I can't, it's
>>> only valuable to me for my time and effort, so what I'd do if I knew
>>> it's a major outage that may not return power for a week or more I'd
>>> put them all in pots on my gas stove and do the old timey soup pot
>>> thingy where they can be kept on a low simmer for months, I'd have
>>> extra work but I'd save the soups I labored over, it's called
>>> mitigating my damages.
>>> I've owned many properties and have dealt with homeowners insurance
>>> issues of all types, with many rental units too, no way do I believe
>>> anyone was given $500 for loss of food due to a power outage, no way,
>>> no how, not unless they PAID EXTRA for a rider to cover food spoilage,
>>> and then the premiums would be more than the value of the lost food.
>>> Once again, insurance companies are neither naive or stupid.
>>> I can believe a $140 per year rider to cover an $8,000 diamond
>>> engagement ring, but not some moron who'd pay extra premiums to cover
>>> spoiled ground mystery meat... to date I've seen no food here worth an
>>> insurance rider, 95% of the posters here dine like they eat at
>>> Salvation Army soup kitchens, at least from what they've
>>> demonstrated... they talk high end but talk is cheap... show me. I
>>> don't eat expensively, never claimed to, but I know my feral cats eat
>>> better than all the big talkers here who have shown zero. I probably
>>> spend more on bird seed than all yoose I-cook-everything-from-scratch
>>> fakers... yoose eat so high end but can't even afford a friggin' $89
>>> digicam. During the twenty odd years I've posted to this group there
>>> have been fewer than twenty posters who have shown their cooking, and
>>> it's been those who've claimed the loudest that they cook everything
>>> from scratch who have shown nothing.
>>> http://www.insureme.com/home-insurance/power-outage
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> -sw
>>
>
> Uh... yeah. What does this have to do with the subject?


Why are you feeding your former stalker?

Crave abuse from disturbed dwarfy men much?

On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
>>> shopping carts...
>>
>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
>
> I don't believe you.
>
It really doesn't matter what you believe.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
>>>> shopping carts...
>>>
>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
>>
>> I don't believe you.
>>
> It really doesn't matter what you believe.
>
> Jill

Why does it matter to you?

Did Cindy tip you too?

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
>>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
>>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
>>>>> shopping carts...
>>>>
>>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
>>>
>>> I don't believe you.
>>>
>> It really doesn't matter what you believe.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Why does it matter to you?
>
>Did Cindy tip you too?

If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home, for
$40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
>>>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
>>>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
>>>>>> shopping carts...
>>>>>
>>>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe you.
>>>>
>>> It really doesn't matter what you believe.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Why does it matter to you?
>>
>> Did Cindy tip you too?
>
> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home, for
> $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
>

You clearly have a _strong_ work ethic, epilation included no less...

On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
>
> >jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
> >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
> >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
> >>>>> shopping carts...
> >>>>
> >>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
> >>>
> >>> I don't believe you.
> >>>
> >> It really doesn't matter what you believe.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> >Why does it matter to you?
> >
> >Did Cindy tip you too?
>
> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home, for
> $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.

Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann Arbor
is $180. How does that compare with your area?

The deal is, she cleans $80 worth. Kitchen, bath, cleaning the hardwood
floors, vacuuming the area rugs, and dusting. In that order of priority.
No overtime, except by prior arrangement.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
>>>>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
>>>>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
>>>>>>> shopping carts...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe you.
>>>>>
>>>> It really doesn't matter what you believe.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Why does it matter to you?
>>>
>>> Did Cindy tip you too?
>>
>> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
>> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
>> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
>> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home, for
>> $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
>> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
>
> Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
> The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann Arbor
> is $180. How does that compare with your area?
>
> The deal is, she cleans $80 worth. Kitchen, bath, cleaning the hardwood
> floors, vacuuming the area rugs, and dusting. In that order of priority.
> No overtime, except by prior arrangement.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Lordy!

Yer turning down Shelly's bush trim???

--
http://culturacolectiva.com/wp-conte...e-affiche1.jpg

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:18:13 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
>>
>> >jmcquown wrote:
>> >> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
>> >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
>> >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
>> >>>>> shopping carts...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour.
>>
>> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
>> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
>> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
>> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home, for
>> $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
>> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
>
>Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
>The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann Arbor
>is $180. How does that compare with your area?

That's ludicrous, the price of real estate has absolutely nothing to
do with the pay rate for house cleaning. I can assure you the price
of real estate in NY is substantially higher than in MI... why would
anyone want to move to MI anyway, there's nothing there but a lot of
desolate nothingness... I wouldn't live in MI if someone gave me a
house for free including a house cleaner... she'd need to have the
most magnificent mammaries to attract me to live in that wilderness.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:52:03 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:18:13 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
>>>
>>> >jmcquown wrote:
>>> >> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> >>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
>>> >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
>>> >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
>>> >>>>> shopping carts...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour.
>>>
>>> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
>>> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
>>> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
>>> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home, for
>>> $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
>>> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
>>
>>Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
>>The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann Arbor
>>is $180. How does that compare with your area?
>
>That's ludicrous, the price of real estate has absolutely nothing to
>do with the pay rate for house cleaning. I can assure you the price
>of real estate in NY is substantially higher than in MI... why would
>anyone want to move to MI anyway, there's nothing there but a lot of
>desolate nothingness... I wouldn't live in MI if someone gave me a
>house for free including a house cleaner... she'd need to have the
>most magnificent mammaries to attract me to live in that wilderness.

Maybe she'd hastily go for a breast reduction if she thought you were
interested.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> I wouldn't live in MI if someone gave me a
> house for free including a house cleaner... she'd

Detroit is in Michigan, price per square foot there can be in the low
double digits.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4474976.html

--
http://culturacolectiva.com/wp-conte...e-affiche1.jpg

Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
> >
> > > jmcquown wrote:
> > >> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > >>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > >>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5,
> > Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > >>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with
> > minimal >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how
> > much would you pay >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust
> > your shelves, and retrieve >>>>> shopping carts...
> > > > > >
> > >>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
> > > > >
> > >>> I don't believe you.
> > > > >
> > >> It really doesn't matter what you believe.
> > > >
> > >> Jill
> > >
> > > Why does it matter to you?
> > >
> > > Did Cindy tip you too?
> >
> > If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
> > spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
> > clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
> > litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home,
> > for $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
> > Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
>
> Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
> The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann
> Arbor is $180. How does that compare with your area?
>
> The deal is, she cleans $80 worth. Kitchen, bath, cleaning the
> hardwood floors, vacuuming the area rugs, and dusting. In that order
> of priority. No overtime, except by prior arrangement.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

40$ an hour at 40 hours a week is 83,200$ a year before tax.

If it helps, it's 8$ an hour here.

--

cshenk wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5,
>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with
>>> minimal >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how
>>> much would you pay >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust
>>> your shelves, and retrieve >>>>> shopping carts...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe you.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It really doesn't matter what you believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> Why does it matter to you?
>>>>
>>>> Did Cindy tip you too?
>>>
>>> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
>>> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
>>> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
>>> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home,
>>> for $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
>>> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
>>
>> Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
>> The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann
>> Arbor is $180. How does that compare with your area?
>>
>> The deal is, she cleans $80 worth. Kitchen, bath, cleaning the
>> hardwood floors, vacuuming the area rugs, and dusting. In that order
>> of priority. No overtime, except by prior arrangement.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> 40$ an hour at 40 hours a week is 83,200$ a year before tax.
>
> If it helps, it's 8$ an hour here.
>
You could smuggle her a maid and get rich on the vig.

--
http://culturacolectiva.com/wp-conte...e-affiche1.jpg

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:18:13 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
> >>
> >> >jmcquown wrote:
> >> >> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> >>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
> >> >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
> >> >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
> >> >>>>> shopping carts...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour.
> >>
> >> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
> >> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
> >> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
> >> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home, for
> >> $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
> >> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
> >
> >Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
> >The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann Arbor
> >is $180. How does that compare with your area?
>
> That's ludicrous, the price of real estate has absolutely nothing to
> do with the pay rate for house cleaning.

In my experience, it does. Cleaners can't afford to live in areas
where property or rent is very expensive. Where demand is high and
supply is limited, (or has to be bribed to travel from a distance)
affluent employers will pay well over the odds for domestic help.

The affluent who are often away from home, will also pay high rates to
attract and retain reliable help they trust with the upkeep of their
very valuable property when its vacant.

Janet UK

In article >, cshenk1
@cox.net says...
>
> Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
> > >
> > > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > >> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > >>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > >>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5,
> > > Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > >>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with
> > > minimal >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how
> > > much would you pay >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust
> > > your shelves, and retrieve >>>>> shopping carts...
> > > > > > >
> > > >>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
> > > > > >
> > > >>> I don't believe you.
> > > > > >
> > > >> It really doesn't matter what you believe.
> > > > >
> > > >> Jill
> > > >
> > > > Why does it matter to you?
> > > >
> > > > Did Cindy tip you too?
> > >
> > > If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
> > > spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
> > > clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
> > > litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home,
> > > for $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
> > > Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
> >
> > Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
> > The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann
> > Arbor is $180. How does that compare with your area?
> >
> > The deal is, she cleans $80 worth. Kitchen, bath, cleaning the
> > hardwood floors, vacuuming the area rugs, and dusting. In that order
> > of priority. No overtime, except by prior arrangement.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> 40$ an hour at 40 hours a week is 83,200$ a year before tax.

Except that cleaning isn't like working in the same office all day
every day on an hourly rate.

the cleaner isn't paid for travel time to Cindy's place or between
clients, or for her lunch break, or days off; and her other clients
might pay less than 40 but have some other advantage (close to home,
easy work).

Janet UK

On 30/12/2015 6:12 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, cshenk1
> @cox.net says...
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5,
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with
>>>> minimal >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how
>>>> much would you pay >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust
>>>> your shelves, and retrieve >>>>> shopping carts...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't believe you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It really doesn't matter what you believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does it matter to you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Did Cindy tip you too?
>>>>
>>>> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
>>>> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
>>>> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
>>>> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home,
>>>> for $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
>>>> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
>>>
>>> Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
>>> The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann
>>> Arbor is $180. How does that compare with your area?
>>>
>>> The deal is, she cleans $80 worth. Kitchen, bath, cleaning the
>>> hardwood floors, vacuuming the area rugs, and dusting. In that order
>>> of priority. No overtime, except by prior arrangement.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> 40$ an hour at 40 hours a week is 83,200$ a year before tax.
>
> Except that cleaning isn't like working in the same office all day
> every day on an hourly rate.
>
> the cleaner isn't paid for travel time to Cindy's place or between
> clients, or for her lunch break, or days off; and her other clients
> might pay less than 40 but have some other advantage (close to home,
> easy work).
>
> Janet UK
>
It always annoys me when people think that self-employed people are
making a good living, or even an exceptional one on a particular hourly
rate.
They *never* take into account:
Travel time
sick time
vacation time
public holidays
The fact that there are 5 work days per week
liability insurance costs
health insurance
Provision for pension
Depreciation if there is machinery involved (think lawn maintenance/snow
clearing etc)
Office overheads
Accounting and tax preparation costs

When I ran a consultancy, our charge-out rates were based on dividing
the reasonable, market rate salary for a particular employee by 220 to
arrive at a day rate before adding a reasonable 15% for profit.
My professional organisation advised a minimum of 2.5 times base salary
as a charge out rate divided by the number of work days available.
That is 365 minus 104(weekends) minus 15 (vacation) minus 5 (sick days)
minus 5 days (professional development).
Of course, lawyers charge what they like because nobody has the courage
to challenge them. My b-i-l's lawyer nephew charges $1500 PER HOUR!!!!
Graham

graham wrote:
> Of course, lawyers charge what they like because nobody has the courage
> to challenge them. My b-i-l's lawyer nephew charges $1500 PER HOUR!!!!
> Graham


Wahahahahaha!!!!!!

Family SOUR GRAPES!!!!

Priceless, even at his hourly rate.

Lol.

--
http://culturacolectiva.com/wp-conte...e-affiche1.jpg

On 12/30/2015 7:07 PM, cshenk wrote:

>
> 40$ an hour at 40 hours a week is 83,200$ a year before tax.
>
> If it helps, it's 8$ an hour here.
>

I was ready to hire someone at $13 but she starts a full time job for a
school next week. I thought is was very cheap at that rate.

On 12/30/2015 9:16 PM, graham wrote:

>>
> It always annoys me when people think that self-employed people are
> making a good living, or even an exceptional one on a particular hourly
> rate.
> They *never* take into account:

List of real cost snipped

I often contract or buy services of labor. I can get unskilled temp
workers for $13 but skilled workers range from $60 to $110 per hour plus
travel time.

I know people that think they are worth $20 to $50 salary but don't want
to pay more than minimum wage if they hire anyone to work for them.

On 2015-12-30 22:29, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> I often contract or buy services of labor. I can get unskilled temp
> workers for $13 but skilled workers range from $60 to $110 per hour plus
> travel time.
>
> I know people that think they are worth $20 to $50 salary but don't want
> to pay more than minimum wage if they hire anyone to work for them.

We hired a local handyman to to do some work on our kitchen last year.
He had to do some repairs to the ceiling and then prime and paint it,
and he did some carpentry work and replaced some ceramic tiles. He
worked from 9-4:30 and charged $125 per day. He did excellent work. I
will gladly hire him again and have no problems recommending him to
friends.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-12-30 22:29, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I often contract or buy services of labor. I can get unskilled temp
>> workers for $13 but skilled workers range from $60 to $110 per hour plus
>> travel time.
>>
>> I know people that think they are worth $20 to $50 salary but don't want
>> to pay more than minimum wage if they hire anyone to work for them.
>
> We hired a local handyman to to do some work on our kitchen last year.
> He had to do some repairs to the ceiling and then prime and paint it,
> and he did some carpentry work and replaced some ceramic tiles. He
> worked from 9-4:30 and charged $125 per day. He did excellent work. I
> will gladly hire him again and have no problems recommending him to
> friends.
>
>
Angie's List!!!!

--
http://culturacolectiva.com/wp-conte...e-affiche1.jpg

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:58:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-12-30 22:29, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I often contract or buy services of labor. I can get unskilled temp
>> workers for $13 but skilled workers range from $60 to $110 per hour plus
>> travel time.
>>
>> I know people that think they are worth $20 to $50 salary but don't want
>> to pay more than minimum wage if they hire anyone to work for them.
>
>We hired a local handyman to to do some work on our kitchen last year.
>He had to do some repairs to the ceiling and then prime and paint it,
>and he did some carpentry work and replaced some ceramic tiles. He
>worked from 9-4:30 and charged $125 per day. He did excellent work. I
>will gladly hire him again and have no problems recommending him to
>friends.

Geeze, if only he knew how to clean terlits and mop floors he'd be
paid more than twice as much as a house cleaner.

On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 7:07:53 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
> > >
> > > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > >> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > >>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > >>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5,
> > > Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > >>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with
> > > minimal >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how
> > > much would you pay >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust
> > > your shelves, and retrieve >>>>> shopping carts...
> > > > > > >
> > > >>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
> > > > > >
> > > >>> I don't believe you.
> > > > > >
> > > >> It really doesn't matter what you believe.
> > > > >
> > > >> Jill
> > > >
> > > > Why does it matter to you?
> > > >
> > > > Did Cindy tip you too?
> > >
> > > If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
> > > spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
> > > clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
> > > litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home,
> > > for $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
> > > Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
> >
> > Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
> > The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann
> > Arbor is $180. How does that compare with your area?
> >
> > The deal is, she cleans $80 worth. Kitchen, bath, cleaning the
> > hardwood floors, vacuuming the area rugs, and dusting. In that order
> > of priority. No overtime, except by prior arrangement.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> 40$ an hour at 40 hours a week is 83,200$ a year before tax.

I know. I don't make that much as a computer programmer.

She doesn't work 40 hours a week at housecleaning. I believe
her other job is as a waitress.
> If it helps, it's 8$ an hour here.

Nobody's going to come to my house for $16 or $24 every other
week to clean the whole house.


The hiring process for every single cleaner I've ever hired has
gone like this:

Ask friends for recommendations.
Have the person come over, see what the house is like, and give a quote.
If the money is worth it to me not to have to clean my own
house, I say "You're hired".

If I recall correctly, when she quoted the job, it was maybe $65. Every
few years I give her another $5 for the job.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 5:52:09 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:18:13 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
> >>
> >> >jmcquown wrote:
> >> >> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> >>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
> >> >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
> >> >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
> >> >>>>> shopping carts...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour.
> >>
> >> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
> >> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
> >> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
> >> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home, for
> >> $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
> >> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
> >
> >Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
> >The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann Arbor
> >is $180. How does that compare with your area?
>
> That's ludicrous, the price of real estate has absolutely nothing to
> do with the pay rate for house cleaning.

The price of real estate is a reflection of the cost of living, which
is an indicator of wages.

> I can assure you the price
> of real estate in NY is substantially higher than in MI... why would
> anyone want to move to MI anyway, there's nothing there but a lot of
> desolate nothingness... I wouldn't live in MI if someone gave me a
> house for free including a house cleaner... she'd need to have the
> most magnificent mammaries to attract me to live in that wilderness.

Good. We don't want you here. You're far too provincial.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 7:22:59 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:18:13 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >jmcquown wrote:
> > >> >> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > >> >>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > >> >>> > wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
> > >> >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
> > >> >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
> > >> >>>>> shopping carts...
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour.
> > >>
> > >> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
> > >> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
> > >> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
> > >> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home, for
> > >> $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
> > >> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
> > >
> > >Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
> > >The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann Arbor
> > >is $180. How does that compare with your area?
> >
> > That's ludicrous, the price of real estate has absolutely nothing to
> > do with the pay rate for house cleaning.
>
> In my experience, it does. Cleaners can't afford to live in areas
> where property or rent is very expensive. Where demand is high and
> supply is limited, (or has to be bribed to travel from a distance)
> affluent employers will pay well over the odds for domestic help.
>
> The affluent who are often away from home, will also pay high rates to
> attract and retain reliable help they trust with the upkeep of their
> very valuable property when its vacant.

You've hit the nail squarely on the head. I'm willing to pay top dollar
to get someone who won't clean me out while she's cleaning my house.

Not that I have much that's valuable. The cash and guns are locked
in a safe; I don't have anything but costume jewelry. If we were
burgled, they'd be sadly disappointed at the haul.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> cshenk wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> She doesn't work 40 hours a week at housecleaning. I believe
> her other job is as a waitress.

A waitress can make a ton of money per hour or very little.
That depends on the restaurant.

> > If it helps, it's 8$ an hour here.
>
> Nobody's going to come to my house for $16 or $24 every other
> week to clean the whole house.

Carol is wrong there. I live in her city and work for many people
that hire house cleaners. Some come once a week, other situations
they come 2-3 times a week.

None that I know work for $8/hour.

I generally see about $50 cash left on the counter for their person to
come and spend 2-3 hours.

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 04:11:00 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 7:07:53 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > jmcquown wrote:
>> > > >> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> > > >>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > > >>> > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > >>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5,
>> > > Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > >>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with
>> > > minimal >>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how
>> > > much would you pay >>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust
>> > > your shelves, and retrieve >>>>> shopping carts...
>> > > > > > >
>> > > >>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour. Cash.
>> > > > > >
>> > > >>> I don't believe you.
>> > > > > >
>> > > >> It really doesn't matter what you believe.
>> > > > >
>> > > >> Jill
>> > > >
>> > > > Why does it matter to you?
>> > > >
>> > > > Did Cindy tip you too?
>> > >
>> > > If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
>> > > spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
>> > > clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
>> > > litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home,
>> > > for $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
>> > > Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
>> >
>> > Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
>> > The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann
>> > Arbor is $180. How does that compare with your area?
>> >
>> > The deal is, she cleans $80 worth. Kitchen, bath, cleaning the
>> > hardwood floors, vacuuming the area rugs, and dusting. In that order
>> > of priority. No overtime, except by prior arrangement.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> 40$ an hour at 40 hours a week is 83,200$ a year before tax.
>
>I know. I don't make that much as a computer programmer.
>
>She doesn't work 40 hours a week at housecleaning. I believe
>her other job is as a waitress.
>> If it helps, it's 8$ an hour here.
>
>Nobody's going to come to my house for $16 or $24 every other
>week to clean the whole house.
>
>
>The hiring process for every single cleaner I've ever hired has
>gone like this:
>
>Ask friends for recommendations.
>Have the person come over, see what the house is like, and give a quote.
>If the money is worth it to me not to have to clean my own
>house, I say "You're hired".
>
>If I recall correctly, when she quoted the job, it was maybe $65. Every
>few years I give her another $5 for the job.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

That sounds like normal pay for house cleaning.

When I first moved here a single mother was the tenant in the little
cottage, she worked cleaning houses but said her best jobs were
cleaning small business office space, real estate offices, doctor's
offices, even the toy store in town. This was ten years ago, she was
very happy to be paid about $80 for an 8 hr day. She did her office
cleaning in early mornings before they opened or evenings after
closing, worked for her as she had a 14 year old daughter and a 6 year
old autistic son who was bused to a special school. The daughter was
mature enough to care for her brother after school. The mother and
son moved to Louisiana to be near family, the daughter is married now
and lives nearby and works as a dental hygienist. I've met a few
other people here that clean houses, even today top pay is about
$15/hr. One of my friends from high school worked all his life as a
window washer in NYC, he did sky scrapers, he made a good living but
he never made $40 an hour. He'd tell me it's the safest job in the
city, in fifty years he was never mugged.

On Thursday, December 31, 2015 at 7:34:38 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > cshenk wrote:
> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > She doesn't work 40 hours a week at housecleaning. I believe
> > her other job is as a waitress.
>
> A waitress can make a ton of money per hour or very little.
> That depends on the restaurant.

Small-town diner. Small tips, hard work.

> > > If it helps, it's 8$ an hour here.
> >
> > Nobody's going to come to my house for $16 or $24 every other
> > week to clean the whole house.
>
> Carol is wrong there. I live in her city and work for many people
> that hire house cleaners. Some come once a week, other situations
> they come 2-3 times a week.
>
> None that I know work for $8/hour.

I'd bet that people who work for Molly Maid and similar corporate
services make pretty little. Yep. A little googling suggests
$7.47 for maids and $11.47 for team leaders.

> I generally see about $50 cash left on the counter for their person to
> come and spend 2-3 hours.

I really don't mind paying top dollar for a service that I value highly.

When I retire, I'll probably have to get used to cleaning my own house.
It'll give me something to do--cleaning up after my husband as he thrashes
the place. We call him Captain Chaos. Of course, chaos breeds creativity.
Or maybe the other way around.

Cindy Hamilton

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> One of my friends from high school worked all his life as a
> window washer in NYC, he did sky scrapers, he made a good living but
> he never made $40 an hour.

I wouldn't do that job for $400 an hour. arrghhh! Well, ok...maybe
that price might entice me to give it a try but certainly not for even
$40/hour.

The Golden Gate Bridge has full time painters. I wonder what they get
paid. Not that I would ever do that either.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2015-12-30 22:29, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > I often contract or buy services of labor. I can get unskilled temp
> > workers for $13 but skilled workers range from $60 to $110 per hour plus
> > travel time.
> >
> > I know people that think they are worth $20 to $50 salary but don't want
> > to pay more than minimum wage if they hire anyone to work for them.
>
> We hired a local handyman to to do some work on our kitchen last year.
> He had to do some repairs to the ceiling and then prime and paint it,
> and he did some carpentry work and replaced some ceramic tiles. He
> worked from 9-4:30 and charged $125 per day. He did excellent work. I
> will gladly hire him again and have no problems recommending him to
> friends.

This is your "underground economy" at work. That fellow is not
running a business or paying taxes on that pay. He's probably retired
and just after some extra pocket cash. You either pay him in cash or
if by check, he cashes it and says nothing.

No real business can survive on $125 per day gross income.

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, December 31, 2015 at 7:34:38 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > cshenk wrote:
>> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > She doesn't work 40 hours a week at housecleaning. I believe
>> > her other job is as a waitress.
>>
>> A waitress can make a ton of money per hour or very little.
>> That depends on the restaurant.
>
> Small-town diner. Small tips, hard work.
>
>> > > If it helps, it's 8$ an hour here.
>> >
>> > Nobody's going to come to my house for $16 or $24 every other
>> > week to clean the whole house.
>>
>> Carol is wrong there. I live in her city and work for many people
>> that hire house cleaners. Some come once a week, other situations
>> they come 2-3 times a week.
>>
>> None that I know work for $8/hour.
>
> I'd bet that people who work for Molly Maid and similar corporate
> services make pretty little. Yep. A little googling suggests
> $7.47 for maids and $11.47 for team leaders.
>
>> I generally see about $50 cash left on the counter for their person to
>> come and spend 2-3 hours.
>
> I really don't mind paying top dollar for a service that I value highly.
>
> When I retire, I'll probably have to get used to cleaning my own house.
> It'll give me something to do--cleaning up after my husband as he thrashes
> the place. We call him Captain Chaos. Of course, chaos breeds
> creativity.
> Or maybe the other way around.

Yep) I gave up my cleaner when I retired. It is hard at first but then
when you are at home all the time ...

I prefer doing it myself now)



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2015-12-31 9:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I'd bet that people who work for Molly Maid and similar corporate
> services make pretty little. Yep. A little googling suggests
> $7.47 for maids and $11.47 for team leaders.
>
My wife had considered hiring Molly Maid to do our house. I objected
because I did not trust them. My wife protested that they were all
bonded. I said I was more concerned about their contacts than the
cleaners themselves. She dropped that objection a day or two later when
she saw a Molly Maid car with two workers and two very sleazy looking
guys with them.

Gary wrote:
>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> cshenk wrote:
>> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> She doesn't work 40 hours a week at housecleaning. I believe
>> her other job is as a waitress.
>
>A waitress can make a ton of money per hour or very little.
>That depends on the restaurant.
>
>> > If it helps, it's 8$ an hour here.
>>
>> Nobody's going to come to my house for $16 or $24 every other
>> week to clean the whole house.
>
>Carol is wrong there. I live in her city and work for many people
>that hire house cleaners. Some come once a week, other situations
>they come 2-3 times a week.
>
>None that I know work for $8/hour.
>
>I generally see about $50 cash left on the counter for their person to
>come and spend 2-3 hours.

How do you know that $50 is for 2-3 hours work, are you assuming or do
you actually know. From what I know from people who clean houses they
wouldn't take a 2-3 hour job, that cuts into their day so they
couldn't give someone a full eight hours and they are not going to
travel for a couple three hours work.... and besides one can't do much
cleaning in 2-3 hours, by the time all the cleaning gear is set out
there's very little time to clean before it all needs to be put away,
that cuts into cleaning time too. House cleaning people like a full
days work so they can actually get the cleaning done. I clean my own
house and I know it takes me six hours just to vacuum, and I don't
have any carpeting, the entire house is hardwood flooring with a few
(three) area rugs. But I sweep every day, usually two three times a
day, have to with cats. I go about with the Dust Buster cordless
several times a day too. For me to have a house cleaner I would need
one full time.

I was believing your story until I read about the $50 cash out on the
counter. What nincompoop would "generally" leave $50 cash out on a
counter where anyone could pick it up, "generally". When I eat out I
never leave cash on the table for a tip, I always put it directly into
the server's hand... leaving cash on a restaurant table makes it too
easy for a different server or any patron to pick it up. I never tip
with plastic either, it's no one else's business, it's between me and
my server, and no one else.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> >I generally see about $50 cash left on the counter for their person to
> >come and spend 2-3 hours.
>
> How do you know that $50 is for 2-3 hours work, are you assuming or do
> you actually know.

I actually know, Sheldon. The cash is left and I see how long
she works.

> I was believing your story until I read about the $50 cash out on the
> counter. What nincompoop would "generally" leave $50 cash out on a
> counter where anyone could pick it up, "generally".

Ok Mr.GiantLawnMowingBoy....

These customers are gone all day. I have a key and alarm code to come
in and work. On the house cleaner day, they leave the money on the
counter for her and usually a note. She also has a key and alarm
code. It's only the two of us workers there. Only I could steal her
money. If she didn't get that cash, I wonder who they would ask about
it> :-D

Go buy another 50# sack of steel cut oats and share it with your
neighbors.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Nobody's going to come to my house for $16 or $24 every other
> week to clean the whole house.
>

Uh, has the minimum wage been jacked to infinity and beyond in Ann Arbor?

Please...

--
http://culturacolectiva.com/wp-conte...e-affiche1.jpg

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 5:52:09 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:18:13 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
>>>>>>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
>>>>>>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
>>>>>>>>> shopping carts...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour.
>>>>
>>>> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
>>>> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
>>>> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
>>>> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home, for
>>>> $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
>>>> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
>>>
>>> Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
>>> The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann Arbor
>>> is $180. How does that compare with your area?
>>
>> That's ludicrous, the price of real estate has absolutely nothing to
>> do with the pay rate for house cleaning.
>
> The price of real estate is a reflection of the cost of living, which
> is an indicator of wages.

No, it's reflective of supply and demand in the actual RE market.

Please don't conflate the COL with it.

>
>> I can assure you the price
>> of real estate in NY is substantially higher than in MI... why would
>> anyone want to move to MI anyway, there's nothing there but a lot of
>> desolate nothingness... I wouldn't live in MI if someone gave me a
>> house for free including a house cleaner... she'd need to have the
>> most magnificent mammaries to attract me to live in that wilderness.
>
> Good. We don't want you here. You're far too provincial.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
So now you speak for all of Ann Arbor?

Wow.

I bet Joann will flame yoose like she does Julie, or not...

--
http://culturacolectiva.com/wp-conte...e-affiche1.jpg

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 7:22:59 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, gravesend10
>> @verizon.net says...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:18:13 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 2:25:17 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:32:39 -0700, la llorona > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/24/2015 1:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:42:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:43:26 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> $10/hr for minimum wage entry level jobs for a person with minimal
>>>>>>>>>> education and no skills is darn good money... how much would you pay
>>>>>>>>>> for someone to sweep your floors, dust your shelves, and retrieve
>>>>>>>>>> shopping carts...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I pay my housecleaner about $40 per hour.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I were paid $40/hr to clean a house I'd bust my butt to make it
>>>>> spotless, I'd even work overtime for straight pay; I'd launder
>>>>> clothes, detail your car, scrub bathrooms, I'd even clean your cat's
>>>>> litter pans and cook for you too, same as everything I do at home, for
>>>>> $40/hr I'd mow your lawn and trim m'lady's bush! LOL
>>>>> Around here people get paid between $10-$15 an hour to clean house.
>>>>
>>>> Prices for everything are much higher here, including housecleaning.
>>>> The average price per square foot of single-family housing in Ann Arbor
>>>> is $180. How does that compare with your area?
>>>
>>> That's ludicrous, the price of real estate has absolutely nothing to
>>> do with the pay rate for house cleaning.
>>
>> In my experience, it does. Cleaners can't afford to live in areas
>> where property or rent is very expensive. Where demand is high and
>> supply is limited, (or has to be bribed to travel from a distance)
>> affluent employers will pay well over the odds for domestic help.
>>
>> The affluent who are often away from home, will also pay high rates to
>> attract and retain reliable help they trust with the upkeep of their
>> very valuable property when its vacant.
>
> You've hit the nail squarely on the head. I'm willing to pay top dollar
> to get someone who won't clean me out while she's cleaning my house.

Simple answer there, and a one time expenditu

http://www.x10.com/cameras.html

> Not that I have much that's valuable. The cash and guns are locked
> in a safe; I don't have anything but costume jewelry. If we were
> burgled, they'd be sadly disappointed at the haul.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


So why use such a flimsy excuse then?

Sounds like you're just another guilty conscience limousine liberal to me...



--
http://culturacolectiva.com/wp-conte...e-affiche1.jpg