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On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 00:20:24 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
wrote: >On 30/12/2015 11:05 wrote: > >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 23:15:13 -0000 (UTC), Bruce > >> wrote: >> >>>On 30/12/2015 09:36 wrote: >>> >>>> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who >>>> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be >>>> seen. >>> >>>Don't they have right of way? >>> >>>(...) >> >> My father once told me "Here lies the body of William Grey, He died >> maintaining his right of way" > >So the vehicle that's backing up is the idiot, not >the pedestrians. Nooo, think about it. |
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On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 5:40:28 PM UTC-7, la llorona wrote:
> wrote: > >>> My father once told me "Here lies the body of William Grey, He died > >>> >>maintaining his right of way" > >> > > >> >So the vehicle that's backing up is the idiot, not > >> >the pedestrians. > > Nooo, think about it. > > Vehicle vs. pedestrian. > > Every court in the world chooses the pedestrian. > > Dumb old bag. Tsk! Tsk!...that is not very respectful Mr. Troll (or is that Ms. Troll) as I suspect. ==== |
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On 12/29/2015 8:37 AM, Gary wrote:
> Here's a pic of Mr.Kitty checking one out. He knew that small pets > here were off-limits so he didn't try to eat one. > http://i63.tinypic.com/34t8qd3.jpg How did you get him to go against nature? I kept fancy mice for about a year, the first ones were rescued off of freecycle but any opportunity one of mine had to snatch one he'd try. He was successful once* which is why I stopped keeping them. It wasn't fair to either of the species. *He snatched one out of the aquarium so quickly I didn't even see him do it, and ran with it in his mouth downstairs where I caught up with him and he only left it a little soggy, it wasn't hurt at all. But as you know, cats like to play with their prey so I have no doubt that he would have killed it if left to do so. -- ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶ Cheryl |
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Roy wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 5:40:28 PM UTC-7, la llorona wrote: >> wrote: >>>>> My father once told me "Here lies the body of William Grey, He died >>>>>>> maintaining his right of way" >>>>> >>>>> So the vehicle that's backing up is the idiot, not >>>>> the pedestrians. >>> Nooo, think about it. >> >> Vehicle vs. pedestrian. >> >> Every court in the world chooses the pedestrian. >> >> Dumb old bag. > > Tsk! Tsk!...that is not very respectful Mr. Troll (or is that Ms. Troll) as I suspect. > ==== > Mind your suspicions Roy, they may be the undoing of you yet... |
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Roy wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 5:40:28 PM UTC-7, la llorona wrote: >> wrote: >>>>> My father once told me "Here lies the body of William Grey, He died >>>>>>> maintaining his right of way" >>>>> >>>>> So the vehicle that's backing up is the idiot, not >>>>> the pedestrians. >>> Nooo, think about it. >> >> Vehicle vs. pedestrian. >> >> Every court in the world chooses the pedestrian. >> >> Dumb old bag. > > Tsk! Tsk!...that is not very respectful Mr. Troll (or is that Ms. Troll) as I suspect. > ==== > Mind your suspicions Roy! |
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On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 4:36:30 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> > I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who > will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be > seen. At least when I come into the parking lot, when I back in, I > have sized the situation of people on foot up more readily. It is > also easier getting out if one of those monster vans or trucks have > parked beside you. > > YES!! |
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On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 5:17:54 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> > > > I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who > > will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be > > seen. > > Don't they have right of way? > > Bruce > > Evidently they do. See my previous post. |
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On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 7:33:45 PM UTC-6, Groupkilla wrote:
> > wrote: > > > I back into a guy walking that was oblivious of > > his surroundings. It cost my insurance company $13,000 > > when it was all over with. > > You dumb bunny, use yer mirrors! > > Dummy, there is no mirror that will spot someone suddenly appearing behind your vehicle out of nowhere. |
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> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 7:33:45 PM UTC-6, Groupkilla wrote: >> >> wrote: >> >>> I back into a guy walking that was oblivious of >>> his surroundings. It cost my insurance company $13,000 >>> when it was all over with. >> >> You dumb bunny, use yer mirrors! >> >> > Dummy, there is no mirror that will spot someone suddenly > appearing behind your vehicle out of nowhere. > They's on the doors, outside yer vent wings, ya pathetic webteevee'r.... |
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On 12/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On 30/12/2015 09:36 wrote: >> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who >> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be >> seen. > > Don't they have right of way? They can put that on your tombstone. nancy |
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Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bruce wrote: >> On 30/12/2015 09:36 wrote: > > >>> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who >>> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be >>> seen. >> >> Don't they have right of way? > > They can put that on your tombstone. > > nancy > Pizza...mmm.... |
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On 29/12/2015 6:36 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 7:33:45 PM UTC-6, Groupkilla wrote: >> >> wrote: >> >>> I back into a guy walking that was oblivious of >>> his surroundings. It cost my insurance company $13,000 >>> when it was all over with. >> >> You dumb bunny, use yer mirrors! >> >> > Dummy, there is no mirror that will spot someone suddenly > appearing behind your vehicle out of nowhere. > When I'm backing out, my car detects any cross traffic or person. Graham |
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On 30/12/2015 13:19 Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bruce wrote: >> On 30/12/2015 09:36 wrote: > > >>> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who >>> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be >>> seen. >> >> Don't they have right of way? > > They can put that on your tombstone. Right under "Killed by idiot driver"? -- Bruce |
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On 12/29/2015 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On 30/12/2015 13:19 Nancy Young wrote: > >> On 12/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bruce wrote: >>> On 30/12/2015 09:36 wrote: >> >> >>>> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who >>>> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be >>>> seen. >>> >>> Don't they have right of way? >> >> They can put that on your tombstone. > > Right under "Killed by idiot driver"? "who still can't believe some moron wasn't watching for backup lights in a parking lot" but is happily enjoying his life with his family and friends. nancy |
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On 30/12/2015 15:44 Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/29/2015 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote: >> On 30/12/2015 13:19 Nancy Young wrote: >> >>> On 12/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bruce wrote: >>>> On 30/12/2015 09:36 wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who >>>>> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be >>>>> seen. >>>> >>>> Don't they have right of way? >>> >>> They can put that on your tombstone. >> >> Right under "Killed by idiot driver"? > > "who still can't believe some moron wasn't watching for > backup lights in a parking lot" but is happily enjoying his > life with his family and friends. If the pedestrian had right of way, I don't think the driver would be happily enjoying his life. -- Bruce |
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 05:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
wrote: > On 30/12/2015 15:44 Nancy Young wrote: > > > On 12/29/2015 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote: > >> On 30/12/2015 13:19 Nancy Young wrote: > >> > >>> On 12/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bruce wrote: > >>>> On 30/12/2015 09:36 wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who > >>>>> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be > >>>>> seen. > >>>> > >>>> Don't they have right of way? > >>> > >>> They can put that on your tombstone. > >> > >> Right under "Killed by idiot driver"? > > > > "who still can't believe some moron wasn't watching for > > backup lights in a parking lot" but is happily enjoying his > > life with his family and friends. > > If the pedestrian had right of way, I don't think the > driver would be happily enjoying his life. There's right and there's dead right. -- sf |
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On 30/12/2015 17:54 sf wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 05:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bruce > > wrote: > >> On 30/12/2015 15:44 Nancy Young wrote: >> >> > On 12/29/2015 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote: >> >> On 30/12/2015 13:19 Nancy Young wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 12/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bruce wrote: >> >>>> On 30/12/2015 09:36 wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who >> >>>>> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be >> >>>>> seen. >> >>>> >> >>>> Don't they have right of way? >> >>> >> >>> They can put that on your tombstone. >> >> >> >> Right under "Killed by idiot driver"? >> > >> > "who still can't believe some moron wasn't watching for >> > backup lights in a parking lot" but is happily enjoying his >> > life with his family and friends. >> >> If the pedestrian had right of way, I don't think the >> driver would be happily enjoying his life. > > There's right and there's dead right. Too right, mate. -- Bruce |
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 05:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
wrote: >On 30/12/2015 15:44 Nancy Young wrote: > >> On 12/29/2015 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote: >>> On 30/12/2015 13:19 Nancy Young wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bruce wrote: >>>>> On 30/12/2015 09:36 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who >>>>>> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be >>>>>> seen. >>>>> >>>>> Don't they have right of way? >>>> >>>> They can put that on your tombstone. >>> >>> Right under "Killed by idiot driver"? >> >> "who still can't believe some moron wasn't watching for >> backup lights in a parking lot" but is happily enjoying his >> life with his family and friends. > >If the pedestrian had right of way, I don't think the >driver would be happily enjoying his life. Anybody, any pedestrian, who counts on themselves having the right of way, is an idiot. We can make a right turn on a red light, having come to a full stop first and checked the road is clear. As a pedestrian, that is very dangerous. When the Walk light turns in my favour, I always check behind me to my left, odds on the driver making the right is not including pedestrians in the check, even though they have the right of way. |
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On 30/12/2015 21:53 wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 05:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bruce > > wrote: > >>On 30/12/2015 15:44 Nancy Young wrote: >> >>> On 12/29/2015 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote: >>>> On 30/12/2015 13:19 Nancy Young wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bruce wrote: >>>>>> On 30/12/2015 09:36 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who >>>>>>> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be >>>>>>> seen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't they have right of way? >>>>> >>>>> They can put that on your tombstone. >>>> >>>> Right under "Killed by idiot driver"? >>> >>> "who still can't believe some moron wasn't watching for >>> backup lights in a parking lot" but is happily enjoying his >>> life with his family and friends. >> >>If the pedestrian had right of way, I don't think the >>driver would be happily enjoying his life. > > Anybody, any pedestrian, who counts on themselves having the right of > way, is an idiot. We can make a right turn on a red light, having > come to a full stop first and checked the road is clear. > > As a pedestrian, that is very dangerous. When the Walk light turns in > my favour, I always check behind me to my left, odds on the driver > making the right is not including pedestrians in the check, even > though they have the right of way. Of course. Nevertheless, I'd rather hit a pedestrian who didn't have right of way than one who did. -- Bruce |
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On 30/12/2015 22:39 wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 11:08:17 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> >> >>"Bruce" > wrote in message ... >>> On 30/12/2015 10:34 graham wrote: >>> >>>> On 29/12/2015 3:36 PM, wrote: >>>>> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who >>>>> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be >>>>> seen. At least when I come into the parking lot, when I back in, I >>>>> have sized the situation of people on foot up more readily. It is >>>>> also easier getting out if one of those monster vans or trucks have >>>>> parked beside you. >>>>> >>>> If you back into spot in a city-owned lot in Calgary, you'll be >>>> ticketed! Alberta vehicles don't have front plates so the parking patrol >>>> cameras wouldn't be able to record your number. >>> >>> Does that mean I can speed ticketless through Alberta as long as I drive >>> backward? >> >>lol You need to stop winding people up <g> > > He's trolling - nearly as bad as sf's boy/girlfriend Oh, come on, was that so bad? -- Bruce |
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On 12/30/2015 7:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> SUVs typically have some sort of four-wheel drive or all-wheel drive. > However, on glare ice or other extremely slippery conditions, they'll > lose traction and slide just like any other Newtonian body. Since > they're going faster (because the driver feels invulnerable and the > 4WD/AWD enables them to achieve higher speeds), they go a lot farther > before expending their momentum. For a time there, it seemed like 90% of the vehicles on the road were SUVs, big ones. Whenever it snowed, I almost thought the paper got a charge out of printing pictures of SUVs in a ditch. It seemed like SUV drivers lived for a snowy day when they could show off what they could do, racing around us mere mortals in cars. > I have an SUV. I drive as carefully as I ever did with two-wheel > drive. I use the added traction for the uphill climb out of my > driveway to the road. Years ago I kind of wanted a Bronco type of vehicle but the truth is, I don't need one. It would come in handy at times, I'll admit. With your property it's probably a good choice. nancy |
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In article m>,
says... > > On 12/29/2015 8:37 AM, Gary wrote: > > > Here's a pic of Mr.Kitty checking one out. He knew that small pets > > here were off-limits so he didn't try to eat one. > > http://i63.tinypic.com/34t8qd3.jpg > > How did you get him to go against nature? We had a hunting killer-cat who never, ever touched our freerange hens chicks or ducklings, she understood warnings they were completely off limits. In the same way (intelligent) dogs can easily be taught to distinguish permitted chasing/killing from prey that's totally banned. I used to have a collie who if he saw a hen had unruly new chicks, he would lie guarding them. If one escaped from its mother he would very gently pick it up and return it to her, (or occasionally, me) completely unhurt. Janet UK |
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On 2015-12-29 11:31 PM, graham wrote:
> When the winter weather is bad, it's the SUVs that outnumber other > vehicles in the ditch because people think that they can stop as easily > as the 4WD/AWD allows them to accelerate. Ignoring the laws of physics > again. > It never ceases to amaze me that people go out and spend a lot of money on SUVs because they believe them to be safer and then end up rolling them one running into ditches. I have AWD in my CRV and it is great for getting me going, but I make sure to take it easy. AWD allows you to get up to the speed limit quickly on slippery roads, but that does not mean it is safe to do the speed limit. |
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On 2015-12-30 1:54 AM, sf wrote:
>> If the pedestrian had right of way, I don't think the >> driver would be happily enjoying his life. > > There's right and there's dead right. > I don't know about other cities, but it seems that Toronto can be a very dangerous place for pedestrians. I think my chances of being struck by a car are minimal because I stop and look before crossing the road and make sure the way is clear. I do not assume that cars are going to stop or that drivers will see me. There have been a few days recently where there were close to a dozen pedestrians struck between 6 and 8 am. They were dark, rainy mornings, and one thing the pedestrians had in common was that they were all dressed in dark clothes. Pedestrians may indeed have the right of way on roads and in parking lots, but since they are the more vulnerable ones, they should be looking out for their own safety. They should be aware of the difficulty that drivers have in seeing them. They are backing out almost blind. If I am walking along and someone pulls out when I am right there I am likely to yell at them to watch where they are going, because they clearly did not look, but if I am walking along and a car starts to pull out further along I stop. I sure as heck don't keep walking and putting myself at risk. |
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On 12/29/2015 11:44 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/29/2015 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote: >> On 30/12/2015 13:19 Nancy Young wrote: >> >>> On 12/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bruce wrote: >>>> On 30/12/2015 09:36 wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> I prefer to back in and drive out. YMMV but we have idiots here who >>>>> will walk right behind a vehicle backing up and assume they will be >>>>> seen. >>>> >>>> Don't they have right of way? >>> >>> They can put that on your tombstone. >> >> Right under "Killed by idiot driver"? > > "who still can't believe some moron wasn't watching for > backup lights in a parking lot" but is happily enjoying his > life with his family and friends. > > nancy > Yesterday I observed someone backing out of a parking spot while some woman (she wasn't old) took her sweet time walking right behind the vehicle. He did see her and he did stop. She probably could have put more giddy-up in her gait but she didn't seem to care. Meanwhile, they were both holding up traffic. No one else could go anywhere until she got out of the way and he was able to leave. Jill |
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On 12/30/2015 10:20 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Pedestrians may indeed have the right of way on roads and in parking > lots, but since they are the more vulnerable ones, they should be > looking out for their own safety. They should be aware of the difficulty > that drivers have in seeing them. > I hear that! I'm not taking any chances when walking through a parking lot. I have no idea whether or not the driver can see me. But I can sure see those back-up lights on the vehicle. I get out of the way. Jill |
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On 12/29/2015 9:48 PM, graham wrote:
> On 29/12/2015 6:36 PM, wrote: >> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 7:33:45 PM UTC-6, Groupkilla wrote: >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I back into a guy walking that was oblivious of >>>> his surroundings. It cost my insurance company $13,000 >>>> when it was all over with. >>> >>> You dumb bunny, use yer mirrors! >>> >>> >> Dummy, there is no mirror that will spot someone suddenly >> appearing behind your vehicle out of nowhere. >> > When I'm backing out, my car detects any cross traffic or person. > Graham For those of us driving older vehicles that don't come equipped with cameras and sensors... hey, use the mirrors (both sides and rear-view) and keep looking back and forth. That doesn't prevent people from being stupid and walking right behind your car. As Nancy said, that's what the reverse lights are for. The pedestrian needs to be paying attention. Jill |
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On 2015-12-30 10:30 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> For those of us driving older vehicles that don't come equipped with > cameras and sensors... hey, use the mirrors (both sides and rear-view) > and keep looking back and forth. That doesn't prevent people from being > stupid and walking right behind your car. As Nancy said, that's what > the reverse lights are for. The pedestrian needs to be paying attention. > I have a back up camera on my CRV and one of the more useless options I can think of. I will say that it is handy when backing into a backing space because you can see how close you are to whatever is behind you. It does not have a clear enough picture or wide enough angle to let you know about people or vehicles approaching as you back out. You get a lot more and much better information from looking through the windows and mirrors. If anything, it is more of a distraction. |
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On 12/30/2015 9:14 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article m>, > says... >> >> On 12/29/2015 8:37 AM, Gary wrote: >> >>> Here's a pic of Mr.Kitty checking one out. He knew that small pets >>> here were off-limits so he didn't try to eat one. >>> http://i63.tinypic.com/34t8qd3.jpg >> >> How did you get him to go against nature? > > We had a hunting killer-cat who never, ever touched our freerange hens > chicks or ducklings, she understood warnings they were completely off > limits. > > In the same way (intelligent) dogs can easily be taught to distinguish > permitted chasing/killing from prey that's totally banned. > Exactly. People think cats cannot be trained. That's not true. > I used to have a collie who if he saw a hen had unruly new chicks, he > would lie guarding them. If one escaped from its mother he would very > gently pick it up and return it to her, (or occasionally, me) completely > unhurt. > > Janet UK > Mr. Kitty looked like my cat Persia. When Persia came to live with me I had two parakeets. I had to teach her they were pets, not prey. It involved segregation when I was not around to supervise (no, I didn't let them fly around the apartment). Gradual integration when I was home. And a big NO! if she showed too much interest. Cats, like dogs, react to tone of voice and posture as much as anything else. If you express disapproval, they'll learn. Jill |
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On 12/30/2015 8:51 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> If you express disapproval, they'll learn. > > Jill You never do. |
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On 12/30/2015 5:17 AM, Gary wrote:
> I see Bruce as just a normal poster. But then you are not known for sound judgment. |
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On 12/30/2015 5:17 AM, Gary wrote:
> Why > does everyone keep picking on him? Oh boo ****ing hoo! After what happens to Julie??? You ferret farting assbag hypocrite! |
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On 12/30/2015 4:10 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> lol You need to stop winding people up <g> > It's a fine line between winding people up and asking an honest > question ![]() Only for a troll like you. |
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