I think this is one of my favorite recipes yet.
The outside is nice and crunchy with a soft inside.
Even though the recipe calls for canned, fresh would be the best.

Here's the step by step.
http://www.kokoscornerblog.com/mycor.../my-entry.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/zmjgdfu

In the meantime, here are the recipes.
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Fried Salmon Patties

Paleo, seafood

1 1/2 pounds canned sockeye salmon; boneless, skinless
1/4 cup mayonnaise; see paleo recipe
2 scallions; thinly sliced
2 large eggs; lightly beaten
2 tablespoons chopped fresh Italian Parsley
1/4 medium yellow onion; minced
1/4 cup coconut flour; divided use
1 teaspoon paprika
1/2 teaspoon dried dill
1/2 teaspoon kosher salt
1/4 teaspoon dried mustard
1/4 teaspoon garlic powder
1/4 teaspoon fresh ground black pepper
2 tablespoons ghee or fat of choice
2 lemons; cut into wedges

Drain and break the salmon into small chunks
In a large bowl, mix together the salmon, mayonnaise, scallions, eggs,
parsley, onion, 1 tablespoon of the coconut flour, the paprika, dill,
salt,
dried mustard, garlic powder and pepper.
Divide the salmon mixture into 8 equal portions, and form each into a
patty
roughly 3 inches in diameter and 3/4 inches in height. Place the
cakes on
a parchment-lined plate. Cover and chill in the fridge for at least 30
minutes to firm up the cakes.
When you're ready to cook, spread the remaining coconut flour in a
shallow
dish, and lightly coat the cakes, shaking off any excess. Heat the oil
over
medium heat in a large cast-iron skillet. Once it's shimmering, fry
the
cakes in the ghee/oil for 2 minutes or until golden brown.
Transfer to a wire rack to drain off any excess oil.
Serve with lemon wedges and Louisiana Rémoulade if desired

Paleo Mayonnaise

1 large egg yolk
1/4 teaspoon kosher salt
1 1/2 teaspoon fresh lemon juice
1 teaspoon distilled white vinegar
3/4 cup macadamia nut or avocado oil

In a medium-sized bowl, whisk together the yolk, salt, mustard, lemon
juice and vinegar for about 30 seconds, or until the yolk thickens and
the color brightens.
Pour about one-third of the oil in a slow, steady stream into the bowl
while whisking the mixture vigorously for about 1 minute to create an
emulsion. (a measuring cup works fine, but I like to drizzle my oil
from a squeeze bottle, it helps to maintain a light steady stream)
After the oil is incorporated, slowly add half of the remaining oil
and continue to whisk rapidly. Once it's emulsified, repeat with the
rest of the oil. You'll soon have a mayonnaise that's thick enough to
hold it's own shape.
Makes 3/4 cup

Immersion Blender Mayo

1 large egg yolk
1 tablespoon fresh lemon juice
1 tablespoon water
1 teaspoon dijon-style mustard
1 cup macadamia nut or avocado oil
Kosher salt

Throw the egg yolk, lemon juice, water, and mustard into an immersion
blender cup. Add the oil to the contents in the cup.
Place the head of an immersion blender at the bottom of the cup and
pulse away. As the emulsion forms, carefully lift and tilt the head of
the immersion blender so that the mayonnaise forms evenly
Season with salt to taste. If you are not using the mayo right away,
cover and store in the fridge. It should keep for up to a week or two.

Notes: Nom Nom Paleo Cookbook

Yield: 4 servings


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Louisiana Rémoulade

Paleo, Sauces

1 cup mayonnaise; see paleo recipe
2 tablespoons dijon mustard
2 teaspoons capers; minced
1 1/2 teaspoons fresh lemon juice
1 teaspoon garlic powder
1 teaspoon onion powder
1 teaspoon paprika
1/2 teaspoon ancho chili powder

Stir together all the ingredients in a bowl until smooth and
thoroughly combined.
Refigerate the rémoulade in a covered container, and it'll keep for up
to a week

Notes: Nom Nom Paleo Cookbook

Yield: 1 cup


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koko

--

Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 14:19:29 -0800, koko > wrote:

>
>
>I think this is one of my favorite recipes yet.
>The outside is nice and crunchy with a soft inside.
>Even though the recipe calls for canned, fresh would be the best.
>
>Here's the step by step.
>http://www.kokoscornerblog.com/mycor.../my-entry.html
>or
>http://tinyurl.com/zmjgdfu
>
>In the meantime, here are the recipes.
>@@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format
>
>Fried Salmon Patties
>
>Paleo, seafood
>
>1 1/2 pounds canned sockeye salmon; boneless, skinless
>1/4 cup mayonnaise; see paleo recipe
>2 scallions; thinly sliced
>2 large eggs; lightly beaten
>2 tablespoons chopped fresh Italian Parsley
>1/4 medium yellow onion; minced
>1/4 cup coconut flour; divided use
>1 teaspoon paprika
>1/2 teaspoon dried dill
>1/2 teaspoon kosher salt
>1/4 teaspoon dried mustard
>1/4 teaspoon garlic powder
>1/4 teaspoon fresh ground black pepper
>2 tablespoons ghee or fat of choice
>2 lemons; cut into wedges
>
>Drain and break the salmon into small chunks
>In a large bowl, mix together the salmon, mayonnaise, scallions, eggs,
>parsley, onion, 1 tablespoon of the coconut flour, the paprika, dill,
>salt,
>dried mustard, garlic powder and pepper.

Snipped for the odd people on dialup

Actually I think they are best made with canned salmon - normally I
prefer fresh anything, but for fishcakes of the salmon variety, canned

wrote:
> Snipped for the odd people on dialup

No need, they're all eating Fancy Feast and Boost.

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 14:19:29 -0800, koko > wrote:

>Paleo Mayonnaise

>3/4 cup macadamia nut or avocado oil

You can also buy it:

Macadamia oil: http://payo.us/
Avocado oil: http://primalkitchen.com/products/mayo/

Both can be found at Amazon.

Don. http://paleofood.com/ (e-mail at page bottom).

On 1/6/2016 5:19 PM, koko wrote:
> 1/4 cup coconut flour; divided use

Really? I am not convinced paleolitic people would have been using
coconut flour to make salmon patties.

Jill

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:04:59 -0500, Don Wiss >
wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 14:19:29 -0800, koko > wrote:
>
> >Paleo Mayonnaise
>
> >3/4 cup macadamia nut or avocado oil
>
> You can also buy it:
>
> Macadamia oil: http://payo.us/
> Avocado oil: http://primalkitchen.com/products/mayo/
>
> Both can be found at Amazon.
>
Avocado oil is available at Grocery Outlet and other supermarkets. I
spot macadamia oil from time to time, but haven't bought it yet.

--

sf

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:40:05 -0800, sf > wrote:

>Avocado oil is available at Grocery Outlet and other supermarkets. I
>spot macadamia oil from time to time, but haven't bought it yet.

Macadamia oil can take the higher temperatures of frying better than olive
oil. And it is more convenient than coconut oil, which you have to melt in
the pan before spreading it around. This is the one I buy:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LWFLXTE

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 23:25:50 -0600, Sqwertz > wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:04:59 -0500, Don Wiss wrote:
>
>> Macadamia oil: http://payo.us/
>
>Wow. $50 for a quart of mayo. Those cavemen must have had pretty
>high-paying jobs.

Only $41.56 he http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JRHQ0LU

>> Avocado oil: http://primalkitchen.com/products/mayo/
>
>That one's only $25/qt.

Seems to be more from he http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZWKI0HI

>So what makes a mayo paleo? The kind of oil used? Didn't cavemen
>have soybeans?

Correct. We weren't eating seeds. To protect their reproductive cycle,
plants put anti-nutrients in seed coverings to discourage animal
consumption (phytic acid, lectins, and enzyme inhibitors). Fruit seeds are
not supposed to be digested, but to pass through and still be viable. They
would never have been a food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinutrient
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid#Food_science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectins#Toxicity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzyme_...atural_poisons

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Sqwertz wrote:
> no CoXYZ soups were
> used.
You sick stalker creep:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw

"OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
baby carrots".

-sw

"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Now EVERYONE knows how you abuse women.

Sqwertz wrote:
> Didn't cavemen
> have soybeans?
>
> -sw
You sick stalker creep:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw

"OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
baby carrots".

-sw

"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Now EVERYONE knows how you abuse women.

On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 1:24:35 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 1/6/2016 5:19 PM, koko wrote:
> > 1/4 cup coconut flour; divided use
>
> Really? I am not convinced paleolitic people would have been using
> coconut flour to make salmon patties.

Me neither. I _am_ convinced they ate a variety of bugs and grubs,
but modern adherents of the Paleo Way rarely talk about eating
such sources of high-quality protein.

Cindy Hamilton

Sqwertz wrote:
> I'm just finding it hard to believe that paleo peoples didn't eat
> everything

STFU, woman stalker.



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw

"OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
baby carrots".

-sw

"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Now EVERYONE knows how you abuse women.

On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:48:32 -0600, Sqwertz > wrote:

>So then why is macadamia seed/nut oil acceptable?

Because it is a nut. Nuts have less anti-nutrients, as they have shells to
protect them from predators. And macadamia shells are so tough they have
few anti-nutrients.

Nuts are not ideal. They still are high in Omega-6s. Too much Omega-6s
cause inflammation.

Remember that green is good. Omega-3s come from green. Wild fish is high in
Omega-3s, as the food chain starts with green algae or seaweed. There are
no seeds in the ocean. Grass-fed meat also has Omega-3s. Grains (all seeds
and nuts) are high in Omega-6s, and so are animals that are feed grains.

>I'm just finding it hard to believe that paleo peoples didn't eat
>everything they could get their hands on and didn't make them sick or
>dead. Beans would have been plentiful and are still eaten in great
>quantities today.

Have you eaten soy beans and other beans raw and unsoaked? How about fava
beans?

Eventually, past the cavemen stage, they learned that one can ferment soy
to remove much of the anti-nutrients. In Asia soy was always fermented.
These days American producers usually don't bother. It is costly, and they
don't care what they sell, as long as suckers are out there to buy it.

There is also optimal foraging theory. You get the food that has the least
effort to get. It takes a lot of effort to collect small seeds to feed a
family. Eventually they learned to grind and cook grains to make them
edible. Then we became farmers and the Neolithic age started.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 05:12:31 -0500, Don Wiss >
wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:40:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>>Avocado oil is available at Grocery Outlet and other supermarkets. I
>>spot macadamia oil from time to time, but haven't bought it yet.
>
>Macadamia oil can take the higher temperatures of frying better than olive
>oil. And it is more convenient than coconut oil, which you have to melt in
>the pan before spreading it around. This is the one I buy:
>http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LWFLXTE
>
>Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Dang, that's a good price. I get 1L of avocado oil for $13.99 at
Grocery outlet and a 1L blend of high oleic organic safflower, avocado
and coconut for $9.99

koko

--

Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

On 1/7/2016 12:48 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 05:24:35 -0500, Don Wiss wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 23:25:50 -0600, Sqwertz > wrote:
>>
>>> So what makes a mayo paleo? The kind of oil used? Didn't cavemen
>>> have soybeans?
>>
>> Correct. We weren't eating seeds. To protect their reproductive cycle,
>> plants put anti-nutrients in seed coverings to discourage animal
>> consumption (phytic acid, lectins, and enzyme inhibitors). Fruit seeds are
>> not supposed to be digested, but to pass through and still be viable. They
>> would never have been a food.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinutrient
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid#Food_science
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectins#Toxicity
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzyme_...atural_poisons
>
> So then why is macadamia seed/nut oil acceptable?
>
> I'm just finding it hard to believe that paleo peoples didn't eat
> everything they could get their hands on and didn't make them sick or
> dead. Beans would have been plentiful and are still eaten in great
> quantities today.
>
> -sw
>
Yeah, I would think they'd eat anything and everything. They didn't
think about "diets". It was about survival, right? So, kill a lion
(before it kills you) and eat it.

Ditto beans, seeds, fruit and yes, nuts. I'm no scientist but it seems
to me it was quite a while after the paleolithic period that people
learned to press anything for oils. Cooking oils were probably low on
their list of priorities.

Jill

On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 12:22:15 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:48:32 -0600, Sqwertz > wrote:
>
> >So then why is macadamia seed/nut oil acceptable?
>
> Because it is a nut. Nuts have less anti-nutrients, as they have shells to
> protect them from predators. And macadamia shells are so tough they have
> few anti-nutrients.
>
> Nuts are not ideal. They still are high in Omega-6s. Too much Omega-6s
> cause inflammation.
>
Nuts vary widely in their Omega-6 content. Pecans and walnuts seem fairly
similar, but walnuts are way high in Omega-6, and pecans aren't.
>
> Remember that green is good. Omega-3s come from green. Wild fish is high in
> Omega-3s, as the food chain starts with green algae or seaweed. There are
> no seeds in the ocean. Grass-fed meat also has Omega-3s. Grains (all seeds
> and nuts) are high in Omega-6s, and so are animals that are feed grains.
>
> >I'm just finding it hard to believe that paleo peoples didn't eat
> >everything they could get their hands on and didn't make them sick or
> >dead. Beans would have been plentiful and are still eaten in great
> >quantities today.
>
> Have you eaten soy beans and other beans raw and unsoaked? How about fava
> beans?
>
> Eventually, past the cavemen stage, they learned that one can ferment soy
> to remove much of the anti-nutrients. In Asia soy was always fermented.
> These days American producers usually don't bother. It is costly, and they
> don't care what they sell, as long as suckers are out there to buy it.
>
> There is also optimal foraging theory. You get the food that has the least
> effort to get. It takes a lot of effort to collect small seeds to feed a
> family. Eventually they learned to grind and cook grains to make them
> edible. Then we became farmers and the Neolithic age started.

I love tamari, but dislike edamame, and that makes sense.
>
> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

--Bryan

On 1/7/2016 12:50 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 1:24:35 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 1/6/2016 5:19 PM, koko wrote:
>>> 1/4 cup coconut flour; divided use
>>
>> Really? I am not convinced paleolitic people would have been using
>> coconut flour to make salmon patties.
>
> Me neither. I _am_ convinced they ate a variety of bugs and grubs,
> but modern adherents of the Paleo Way rarely talk about eating
> such sources of high-quality protein.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I'm pretty sure actual paleolithic people didn't reject any food source.
Weren't they hunter/gatherers?

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 1/7/2016 12:50 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 1:24:35 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>> On 1/6/2016 5:19 PM, koko wrote:
>>>> 1/4 cup coconut flour; divided use
>>>
>>> Really? I am not convinced paleolitic people would have been using
>>> coconut flour to make salmon patties.
>>
>> Me neither. I _am_ convinced they ate a variety of bugs and grubs,
>> but modern adherents of the Paleo Way rarely talk about eating
>> such sources of high-quality protein.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> I'm pretty sure actual paleolithic people didn't reject any food source.
> Weren't they hunter/gatherers?
>
> Jill
>
You never heard of pliocene Taco Bell?

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 13:21:59 -0500, Don Wiss >
wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:48:32 -0600, Sqwertz > wrote:
>
>>So then why is macadamia seed/nut oil acceptable?
>
>Because it is a nut. Nuts have less anti-nutrients, as they have shells to
>protect them from predators. And macadamia shells are so tough they have
>few anti-nutrients.
>
>Nuts are not ideal. They still are high in Omega-6s. Too much Omega-6s
>cause inflammation.

I think we should take information from paleo dieters about nuts
seriously. They should know. They ARE nuts.

--
Bruce

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 05:12:31 -0500, Don Wiss >
wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:40:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >Avocado oil is available at Grocery Outlet and other supermarkets. I
> >spot macadamia oil from time to time, but haven't bought it yet.
>
> Macadamia oil can take the higher temperatures of frying better than olive
> oil. And it is more convenient than coconut oil, which you have to melt in
> the pan before spreading it around. This is the one I buy:
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LWFLXTE
>

I never deep fry and must not "other" fry at high enough heat to care.

--

sf

Sqwertz wrote:
> The rest of the paleo theory seems kinda bunk.
>
> -sw

Like your sick woman-stalking, you inhuman dwarf!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw

"OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
baby carrots".

-sw

"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Now EVERYONE knows how you abuse women.

Sqwertz wrote:

> reversing evolution. Our bodies (and digestive systems) have evolved
> greatly since Paleolithic times so it certainly doesn't make sense

I don't know about other stuff, but if you want to get scientific, the
human digestive system clearly puts us in the frugivore category, just
the same as most other primates

there is a theory that our brains became larger as a result of cooking
food and greater availability of glucose (less work chewing, more work
thinking)

but our teeth haven't changed much and neither have our innards

On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 6:11:43 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 05:12:31 -0500, Don Wiss >
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:40:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >
> > >Avocado oil is available at Grocery Outlet and other supermarkets. I
> > >spot macadamia oil from time to time, but haven't bought it yet.
> >
> > Macadamia oil can take the higher temperatures of frying better than olive
> > oil. And it is more convenient than coconut oil, which you have to melt in
> > the pan before spreading it around. This is the one I buy:
> > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LWFLXTE
> >
>
> I never deep fry and must not "other" fry at high enough heat to care.
>
Your kitchen almost certainly looks better than mine. I did the stovetop
today. You pretty much have to love fried food to deal with how much mess
it makes. Last night I fried tilapia in bacon grease instead of high oleic
neutral oil. It tasted fine, but the leftover fish wasn't as good the next
morning. I had the bacon grease from frying up a pound of bacon to add to
green beans and a few potatoes.
>
> sf

--Bryan

MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 6:11:43 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 05:12:31 -0500, Don Wiss >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:40:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Avocado oil is available at Grocery Outlet and other supermarkets. I
>>>> spot macadamia oil from time to time, but haven't bought it yet.
>>>
>>> Macadamia oil can take the higher temperatures of frying better than olive
>>> oil. And it is more convenient than coconut oil, which you have to melt in
>>> the pan before spreading it around. This is the one I buy:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LWFLXTE
>>>
>>
>> I never deep fry and must not "other" fry at high enough heat to care.
>>
> Your kitchen almost certainly looks better than mine. I did the stovetop
> today. You pretty much have to love fried food to deal with how much mess
> it makes. Last night I fried tilapia in bacon grease instead of high oleic
> neutral oil. It tasted fine, but the leftover fish wasn't as good the next
> morning. I had the bacon grease from frying up a pound of bacon to add to
> green beans and a few potatoes.
>>
>> sf
>
> --Bryan
>
Dude, that's NASTY!

You eliminated ALL the health benefits of the fish.

On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 18:05:41 -0600, Sqwertz > wrote:

>Its widely accepted that cooking of food was responsible for the
>greatest leaps in the evolutionary ladder.

No, it is not. There is a lot of controversy over Wrangham's theory. Others
feel the turn to meat eating -- which is very nutrient dense -- was
responsible for the greatest leaps. Wrangham's theory is that cooking
brought us more calories. Not more nutrients.

Meat is edible raw. Cooking does nothing to enhance it.

Wrangham does not eat red meat. He isn't going to come up with a theory
with red meat behind it.

We started eating meat 2.6 million years ago. Initially we were scavengers,
going after the carcasses that carnivores left behind. Carnivores cannot
get into the skull. Our ancestors learned to crack open the skulls and
scrape the brains out. On large animals carnivores can't get to the
underside. Our ancestors could gang up and turn it over. And get inside the
rib cage.

Homo erectus appeared, roughly 1.8 million years ago. One major weakness of
Wrangham's theory is the evidence of fire used for cooking going back that
far is very weak for our line of ancestors. His theory is mostly based on
having to come up with a reason why we leaped to being the smartest, and he
doesn't believe in red meat.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On Fri, 8 Jan 2016, tert in seattle > wrote:

>I don't know about other stuff, but if you want to get scientific, the
>human digestive system clearly puts us in the frugivore category, just
>the same as most other primates

Here is a chart comparing digestive systems:
http://paleodiet.com/comparison.html

It isn't perfect. He uses a herbivore, not a frugivore, for comparison.

As for a comparison to the other primates. Remember that none of them
became as smart as we did. If our lineage continued eating like them, we
would still have their level of intelligence.

Back to fruit. As I pointed out earlier, fruits are supposed to be eaten,
but the seeds not digested. Coffee beans are a fruit seed. Then the reason
why some berries have thorns, is to discourage consumption by mammals.
Mammals would digest their small seeds. They want only birds to eat their
berries.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 16:11:58 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Jan 2016, Don Wiss wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:40:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >Avocado oil is available at Grocery Outlet and other supermarkets. I
>> >spot macadamia oil from time to time, but haven't bought it yet.
>>
>> Macadamia oil can take the higher temperatures of frying better than olive
>> oil. And it is more convenient than coconut oil, which you have to melt in
>> the pan before spreading it around. This is the one I buy:
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LWFLXTE
>
>I never deep fry and must not "other" fry at high enough heat to care.

I have never deep fried in my life. I do pan fry. And fish and meat will
stick to a regular pan, if no oil or fat is used.

Anytime you cook something in a pan, and there is no water present, it is
frying. When liquid is present it is sauteing. When sauteing the
temperature never goes above 212F, and olive oil works just fine for that.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Sqwertz wrote:
> Welp, I'm done here.
Like your sick woman-stalking, you inhuman dwarf!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw

"OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
baby carrots".

-sw

"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Now EVERYONE knows how you abuse women.

Sqwertz wrote:
> You've been reading too many raw/vegetarian
> kook sites.
>
> -sw
Like your sick woman-stalking, you inhuman dwarf!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw

"OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
baby carrots".

-sw

"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Now EVERYONE knows how you abuse women.

Don Wiss wrote:
> Meat is edible raw. Cooking does nothing to enhance it.

Flavor man, flavor.

On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 21:33:02 -0700, cibola de oro > wrote:

>Don Wiss wrote:
>> Meat is edible raw. Cooking does nothing to enhance it.
>
>Flavor man, flavor.

Yes, if you get a good Maillard layer it certainly is tasty. That is why
people treasure the pan drippings to make gravy. Gray meat is tasteless.

When I pan fry meat I use smell to know when to flip it. Though it is
harder to know when the second side is done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Don Wiss wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 21:33:02 -0700, cibola de oro > wrote:
>
>> Don Wiss wrote:
>>> Meat is edible raw. Cooking does nothing to enhance it.
>>
>> Flavor man, flavor.
>
> Yes, if you get a good Maillard layer it certainly is tasty. That is why
> people treasure the pan drippings to make gravy. Gray meat is tasteless.

That's it, yes!

> When I pan fry meat I use smell to know when to flip it. Though it is
> harder to know when the second side is done.

I agree, but that's where decent tongs come in.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction
>
> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

So if you agree, then why the statement on cooking doing nothing to
enhance it?

Flavor is always an enhancement, simply not a change of nutritive worth.

On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 7:34:24 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 16:11:58 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 07 Jan 2016, Don Wiss wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:40:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Avocado oil is available at Grocery Outlet and other supermarkets. I
> >> >spot macadamia oil from time to time, but haven't bought it yet.
> >>
> >> Macadamia oil can take the higher temperatures of frying better than olive
> >> oil. And it is more convenient than coconut oil, which you have to melt in
> >> the pan before spreading it around. This is the one I buy:
> >> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LWFLXTE
> >
> >I never deep fry and must not "other" fry at high enough heat to care.
>
> I have never deep fried in my life. I do pan fry. And fish and meat will
> stick to a regular pan, if no oil or fat is used.
>
There is pan frying with just enough oil to qualify as frying; then there
is pan frying where the oil comes up to at least halfway up the sides of
the food; and then there's deep frying, where the fat is well over the
top of the food.
>
> Anytime you cook something in a pan, and there is no water present, it is
> frying. When liquid is present it is sauteing. When sauteing the
> temperature never goes above 212F, and olive oil works just fine for that.
>
> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

--Bryan

On 1/7/2016 7:54 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> And you're wrong on both counts.
You criminally STALK and ABUSE women, you sick little dwarfy man!

Here's what you did when you went all over the Usenet impersonating the
well-liked regular named "sf" and posting all her personal data on the
net against her will, including her:

* home address
* age
* cell phone number
* husband's name

etc.

YOU did that, you evil *******!

And then you had the hubris to actually GLOAT about in public saying:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:18:00 -0600
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4



She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And before that you literally stalked poor Omelet, a local Auustin
favorite, right off the Usenet!

In your worst moment ever you actually begged her to KILL you:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then after having your nose rubbed in your filthy criminal stalking you
came back with, not an apology, nor the slightest remorse, just this:


"The facebook group is much more pleasant."


But we all know that's only because you cower over there in mortal fear
of being booted by the FB admins.

You're _so done_ here virus, I mean really ****ing done.

I'm making you a project like no other, expect a lot more of your evil
abuse and hatred to be aired for all to see here.

And we both know there's a google archive full of your hatred of women
just waiting to be hung out on the virtual clothesline to dry.

Enjoy then, you rotten, worthless misogynistic *******!

On 1/7/2016 7:39 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Welp, I'm done here.
You criminally STALK and ABUSE women, you sick little dwarfy man!

Here's what you did when you went all over the Usenet impersonating the
well-liked regular named "sf" and posting all her personal data on the
net against her will, including her:

* home address
* age
* cell phone number
* husband's name

etc.

YOU did that, you evil *******!

And then you had the hubris to actually GLOAT about in public saying:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:18:00 -0600
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4



She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And before that you literally stalked poor Omelet, a local Auustin
favorite, right off the Usenet!

In your worst moment ever you actually begged her to KILL you:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then after having your nose rubbed in your filthy criminal stalking you
came back with, not an apology, nor the slightest remorse, just this:


"The facebook group is much more pleasant."


But we all know that's only because you cower over there in mortal fear
of being booted by the FB admins.

You're _so done_ here virus, I mean really ****ing done.

I'm making you a project like no other, expect a lot more of your evil
abuse and hatred to be aired for all to see here.

And we both know there's a google archive full of your hatred of women
just waiting to be hung out on the virtual clothesline to dry.

Enjoy then, you rotten, worthless misogynistic *******!

On 1/7/2016 5:05 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> The rest of the paleo theory seems kinda bunk.
>
> -sw
You criminally STALK and ABUSE women, you sick little dwarfy man!

Here's what you did when you went all over the Usenet impersonating the
well-liked regular named "sf" and posting all her personal data on the
net against her will, including her:

* home address
* age
* cell phone number
* husband's name

etc.

YOU did that, you evil *******!

And then you had the hubris to actually GLOAT about in public saying:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:18:00 -0600
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4



She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And before that you literally stalked poor Omelet, a local Auustin
favorite, right off the Usenet!

In your worst moment ever you actually begged her to KILL you:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then after having your nose rubbed in your filthy criminal stalking you
came back with, not an apology, nor the slightest remorse, just this:


"The facebook group is much more pleasant."


But we all know that's only because you cower over there in mortal fear
of being booted by the FB admins.

You're _so done_ here virus, I mean really ****ing done.

I'm making you a project like no other, expect a lot more of your evil
abuse and hatred to be aired for all to see here.

And we both know there's a google archive full of your hatred of women
just waiting to be hung out on the virtual clothesline to dry.

Enjoy then, you rotten, worthless misogynistic *******!

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 00:34:13 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> reversing evolution. Our bodies (and digestive systems) have evolved
>>> greatly since Paleolithic times so it certainly doesn't make sense
>>
>> I don't know about other stuff, but if you want to get scientific, the
>> human digestive system clearly puts us in the frugivore category, just
>> the same as most other primates
>>
>> there is a theory that our brains became larger as a result of cooking
>> food and greater availability of glucose (less work chewing, more work
>> thinking)
>>
>> but our teeth haven't changed much and neither have our innards
>
> And you're wrong on both counts. Our digestive system, starting in
> the mouth changed significantly once we started cooking food. We are
> clearly not frugivores. You've been reading too many raw/vegetarian
> kook sites.
>
> -sw

I posted this before -- here's yer kook website

"In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are terribly
special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
pieces of plants."

<http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>

He does come right out and say that our digestive system *did* evolve
with agriculture and processing (fermenting and cooking) of food, but
not anatomically -- which is what I meant by teeth and innards -- but
physiologically, with upregulation of amylase and persistence of lactase
into adulthood.

The point I'm trying to make is expressed in scientific language he

<http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/300098?seq=2#page_scan_tab_contents>

"Both the 'faunivore' and the 'folivore' trend are morphological
specializations -- corresponding to different allometric relationships --
that, like all specialized characters, are unlikely to allow much
plasticity. A specialized carnivorous adaptation in humans that
would correspond to a minimized gut size is obviously not supported
by our data (fig. I). The large variations currently observed in human
diets (Hladik and Simmen 1996) are probably allowed by our gut
morphology as unspecialized "frugivores," a flexibility allowing
Pygmies, Inuit, and several other populations, present and past, to
feed extensively on animal matter, deriving most of their energy
from fat."

If you can't access the jstor.org site you can see screenshots he

http://ftupet.com/upload/human_frug1.jpg
http://ftupet.com/upload/human_frug2.jpg
http://ftupet.com/upload/human_frug3.jpg

On 1/7/2016 10:48 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> So then why is macadamia seed/nut oil acceptable?
You criminally STALK and ABUSE women, you sick little dwarfy man!

Here's what you did when you went all over the Usenet impersonating the
well-liked regular named "sf" and posting all her personal data on the
net against her will, including her:

* home address
* age
* cell phone number
* husband's name

etc.

YOU did that, you evil *******!

And then you had the hubris to actually GLOAT about in public saying:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:18:00 -0600
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4



She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And before that you literally stalked poor Omelet, a local Auustin
favorite, right off the Usenet!

In your worst moment ever you actually begged her to KILL you:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then after having your nose rubbed in your filthy criminal stalking you
came back with, not an apology, nor the slightest remorse, just this:


"The facebook group is much more pleasant."


But we all know that's only because you cower over there in mortal fear
of being booted by the FB admins.

You're _so done_ here virus, I mean really ****ing done.

I'm making you a project like no other, expect a lot more of your evil
abuse and hatred to be aired for all to see here.

And we both know there's a google archive full of your hatred of women
just waiting to be hung out on the virtual clothesline to dry.

Enjoy then, you rotten, worthless misogynistic *******!

On 1/6/2016 10:25 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Didn't cavemen
> have soybeans?
>
> -sw
You criminally STALK and ABUSE women, you sick little dwarfy man!

Here's what you did when you went all over the Usenet impersonating the
well-liked regular named "sf" and posting all her personal data on the
net against her will, including her:

* home address
* age
* cell phone number
* husband's name

etc.

YOU did that, you evil *******!

And then you had the hubris to actually GLOAT about in public saying:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:18:00 -0600
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4



She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And before that you literally stalked poor Omelet, a local Auustin
favorite, right off the Usenet!

In your worst moment ever you actually begged her to KILL you:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then after having your nose rubbed in your filthy criminal stalking you
came back with, not an apology, nor the slightest remorse, just this:


"The facebook group is much more pleasant."


But we all know that's only because you cower over there in mortal fear
of being booted by the FB admins.

You're _so done_ here virus, I mean really ****ing done.

I'm making you a project like no other, expect a lot more of your evil
abuse and hatred to be aired for all to see here.

And we both know there's a google archive full of your hatred of women
just waiting to be hung out on the virtual clothesline to dry.

Enjoy then, you rotten, worthless misogynistic *******!

On 1/6/2016 10:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I used a good canned tuna
You criminally STALK and ABUSE women, you sick little dwarfy man!

Here's what you did when you went all over the Usenet impersonating the
well-liked regular named "sf" and posting all her personal data on the
net against her will, including her:

* home address
* age
* cell phone number
* husband's name

etc.

YOU did that, you evil *******!

And then you had the hubris to actually GLOAT about in public saying:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:18:00 -0600
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4



She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And before that you literally stalked poor Omelet, a local Auustin
favorite, right off the Usenet!

In your worst moment ever you actually begged her to KILL you:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then after having your nose rubbed in your filthy criminal stalking you
came back with, not an apology, nor the slightest remorse, just this:


"The facebook group is much more pleasant."


But we all know that's only because you cower over there in mortal fear
of being booted by the FB admins.

You're _so done_ here virus, I mean really ****ing done.

I'm making you a project like no other, expect a lot more of your evil
abuse and hatred to be aired for all to see here.

And we both know there's a google archive full of your hatred of women
just waiting to be hung out on the virtual clothesline to dry.

Enjoy then, you rotten, worthless misogynistic *******!