On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:43:22 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Janet B" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>>>>She does but it would be nice if she could play with toys sometimes
>>>>
>>>what about soft, cuddly, stuffed toys like you would give to a baby.
>>>All my dogs had a soft mouth and really enjoyed vigorously shaking and
>>>stomping on the soft toys. My dogs have had everything from full size
>>>teddy bears to little ones. We had baskets of them. My last dog
>>>would carry a stuffed animal to the door when someone came to visit.
>>>He'd also take it to bed with him and use it as a pillow. I just gave
>>>the last of them away to a new rescue pup in the neighborhood.
>>>
>>>=====================
>>>
>>>Did you have them from pups? Poppy never chases or carries anything. I
>>>can
>>>see she has never played with anything at all until she came to us. It is
>>>worth a try though so I will find a soft toy for her and she what we can
>>>do
>>>with it.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the idea
>>>
>> Make a big deal out of it to excite her curiosity/ Bring it home
>> hidden a paper bag and rustle the bag. Talk to her and tell her
>> you've brought her something. Open the bag and you look inside ,
>> wiggle it around her so she wants to look too. you know, make baby
>> toddler talk
>
> The problem is she just isn't interested in anything that isn't food. I
>couldn't get her interested in the kong even though it had her favourite
>treat tucked in I will do what you say though ...
>
>> The rescue pup that I took the last toy to hadn't ever had a soft toy.
>> I brought it in one of those bags people use instead of Christmas
>> wrapping and the very top of the toy was visible. I put the bag on
>> the floor and she went over, stuck her head in and after a bit pulled
>> out the toy. Husband and I had to remove the squeaker from the toy
>> before we gave it to Finch (the dog) She had been abused and is
>> frightened by noise. She is becoming very outgoing. She came from a
>> program at the state prison where inmates work and live with the dogs
>> they are training. It is a win/win for everyone. She is an
>> Australian Cattle Dog about 9 months old.
>
>Lucky girl)
>
>> P.S. You may have to play with the toy and show her how to play and
>> tease her a bit. Also, some dogs just don't see the point in carrying
>> anything around. They can be stubborn little creatures while they
>> have YOU in training. )
>
>LOL ain't that the truth) She has us *very* well trained now, so keep
>your fingers crossed for me. Remember though she is nearly 7 years old.
>This is the dog that lived with 41 dogs and two cats all her life so it
>isn't surprising she doesn't know what toys are. Still, it is worth a
>try)
>
>I will do as you suggest. I will buy a toy tomorrow and report back
>
>Thank you!

If she likes to run from one to the other, why not get a frisbee and
let her chase that back and forth to each other, she'll get
competitive to grab it first.

On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 18:44:45 -0400, wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:43:22 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>>>>She does but it would be nice if she could play with toys sometimes
>>>>>
>>>>what about soft, cuddly, stuffed toys like you would give to a baby.
>>>>All my dogs had a soft mouth and really enjoyed vigorously shaking and
>>>>stomping on the soft toys. My dogs have had everything from full size
>>>>teddy bears to little ones. We had baskets of them. My last dog
>>>>would carry a stuffed animal to the door when someone came to visit.
>>>>He'd also take it to bed with him and use it as a pillow. I just gave
>>>>the last of them away to a new rescue pup in the neighborhood.
>>>>
>>>>=====================
>>>>
>>>>Did you have them from pups? Poppy never chases or carries anything. I
>>>>can
>>>>see she has never played with anything at all until she came to us. It is
>>>>worth a try though so I will find a soft toy for her and she what we can
>>>>do
>>>>with it.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the idea
>>>>
>>> Make a big deal out of it to excite her curiosity/ Bring it home
>>> hidden a paper bag and rustle the bag. Talk to her and tell her
>>> you've brought her something. Open the bag and you look inside ,
>>> wiggle it around her so she wants to look too. you know, make baby
>>> toddler talk
>>
>> The problem is she just isn't interested in anything that isn't food. I
>>couldn't get her interested in the kong even though it had her favourite
>>treat tucked in I will do what you say though ...
>>
>>> The rescue pup that I took the last toy to hadn't ever had a soft toy.
>>> I brought it in one of those bags people use instead of Christmas
>>> wrapping and the very top of the toy was visible. I put the bag on
>>> the floor and she went over, stuck her head in and after a bit pulled
>>> out the toy. Husband and I had to remove the squeaker from the toy
>>> before we gave it to Finch (the dog) She had been abused and is
>>> frightened by noise. She is becoming very outgoing. She came from a
>>> program at the state prison where inmates work and live with the dogs
>>> they are training. It is a win/win for everyone. She is an
>>> Australian Cattle Dog about 9 months old.
>>
>>Lucky girl)
>>
>>> P.S. You may have to play with the toy and show her how to play and
>>> tease her a bit. Also, some dogs just don't see the point in carrying
>>> anything around. They can be stubborn little creatures while they
>>> have YOU in training. )
>>
>>LOL ain't that the truth) She has us *very* well trained now, so keep
>>your fingers crossed for me. Remember though she is nearly 7 years old.
>>This is the dog that lived with 41 dogs and two cats all her life so it
>>isn't surprising she doesn't know what toys are. Still, it is worth a
>>try)
>>
>>I will do as you suggest. I will buy a toy tomorrow and report back
>>
>>Thank you!
>
>If she likes to run from one to the other, why not get a frisbee and
>let her chase that back and forth to each other, she'll get
>competitive to grab it first.

that's a good idea!
Janet US

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:09:01 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>> >jmcquown wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/10/2016 9:09 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>> >> > this white wasn't flipable. It was very watery and thin. It was
>>> >> > un-nerving the way the yolk rolled around like one of those balls
>>> >> > with
>>> >> > a weight inside.
>>> >> > Janet US
>>> >> >
>>> >> I agree, the white sounds disgusting. Your description of the yolk
>>> >> sounds like one of the rolling ball toys my cat Buffy plays with.
>>> >> It's
>>> >> called a golf ball.
>>> >
>>> >Did someone mention pets and golf balls? heheh
>>> >
>>> > http://i64.tinypic.com/10ykw37.jpg
>>>
>>> Lol, are you sure she has enough to keep her amused ?
>>
>> She likes that game. I get far away and roll them towards her.
>
> I wish my Poppy knew how to play with toys. She doesn't know what they
> are I have bought all kinds of toys and kongs but she just looks at
> them
> and goes to do something else.
>
> The only game I have been able to teach her is if I go to one end of the
> field/paddock and Himself holds her. Then I call her to me and she runs
> so
> fast to get to me she is almost rolling over. She loves it. Once she has
> recovered we do it the other way and he calls her.

Yes, my other rescue dog never liked toys or knew what to do with them, she
would chase a ball but then just look at it and never return it etc., this
rescue dog loves toys and I swear she thinks all shopping trips should have
a new one since she gets excited when I'm unbagging them. She definitely has
her favorites at any one time and if I try to change to another one during
play, she won't have any part of it.

Cheri

On 1/11/2016 1:36 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I tried to duplicate that this morning but I just made a mess


Your woman abuse is as grotesque, unprovoked, and ugly as anything
anyone in this medium has ever done.

You are a pathological woman-hater and a deeply disturbed and wounded
little man:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw

"OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
baby carrots".

-sw

"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.

-sw


"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw


"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.

-sw

I didn't think Julie was even capable of using the phone.

-sw

You seem to have a problem remembering things. Maybe you should have
written down the once you realized you liked it.

-sw

Wow. She catches on quick when her mind isn't clouded by irrational
spite.

-sw

Congratulations! Your post has been approved by Julie.

[High Five]

-sw

Yeah, I see tuna and cheddar on pizza every time I visit Planet Bove.

-sw

You can't rent this stuff at Red Box.

-sw

You tell him Julie!

<snort>

-sw

That wasn't your original argument. Your argument was that you
couldn't remember where you got them. Then when somebody tells you
how to solve that problem, you come up with a different argument to
explain why the proposed solution won't work.

Same 'ol song and dance.

-sw

<snip rest unread>

-sw

So WTF are you basing your unfounded theories on? Angela was about 3
years old and you had left grade school decades earlier. What would
have been your direct experience with the New York public school
system in the early 2000's?

-sw

What I'm trying to say is that Julie is full of shit again. It's
amazing how much time Julie spends describing her miserable fantasy
world.

-sw


Again, only in YOUR house.

-sw

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Sqwertz wrote:
> I tried to duplicate that this morning but I just made a mess


Drink Drano, worm.

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:43:22 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>>>>She does but it would be nice if she could play with toys sometimes
>>>>>
>>>>what about soft, cuddly, stuffed toys like you would give to a baby.
>>>>All my dogs had a soft mouth and really enjoyed vigorously shaking and
>>>>stomping on the soft toys. My dogs have had everything from full size
>>>>teddy bears to little ones. We had baskets of them. My last dog
>>>>would carry a stuffed animal to the door when someone came to visit.
>>>>He'd also take it to bed with him and use it as a pillow. I just gave
>>>>the last of them away to a new rescue pup in the neighborhood.
>>>>
>>>>=====================
>>>>
>>>>Did you have them from pups? Poppy never chases or carries anything. I
>>>>can
>>>>see she has never played with anything at all until she came to us. It
>>>>is
>>>>worth a try though so I will find a soft toy for her and she what we can
>>>>do
>>>>with it.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the idea
>>>>
>>> Make a big deal out of it to excite her curiosity/ Bring it home
>>> hidden a paper bag and rustle the bag. Talk to her and tell her
>>> you've brought her something. Open the bag and you look inside ,
>>> wiggle it around her so she wants to look too. you know, make baby
>>> toddler talk
>>
>> The problem is she just isn't interested in anything that isn't food. I
>>couldn't get her interested in the kong even though it had her favourite
>>treat tucked in I will do what you say though ...
>>
>>> The rescue pup that I took the last toy to hadn't ever had a soft toy.
>>> I brought it in one of those bags people use instead of Christmas
>>> wrapping and the very top of the toy was visible. I put the bag on
>>> the floor and she went over, stuck her head in and after a bit pulled
>>> out the toy. Husband and I had to remove the squeaker from the toy
>>> before we gave it to Finch (the dog) She had been abused and is
>>> frightened by noise. She is becoming very outgoing. She came from a
>>> program at the state prison where inmates work and live with the dogs
>>> they are training. It is a win/win for everyone. She is an
>>> Australian Cattle Dog about 9 months old.
>>
>>Lucky girl)
>>
>>> P.S. You may have to play with the toy and show her how to play and
>>> tease her a bit. Also, some dogs just don't see the point in carrying
>>> anything around. They can be stubborn little creatures while they
>>> have YOU in training. )
>>
>>LOL ain't that the truth) She has us *very* well trained now, so keep
>>your fingers crossed for me. Remember though she is nearly 7 years old.
>>This is the dog that lived with 41 dogs and two cats all her life so it
>>isn't surprising she doesn't know what toys are. Still, it is worth a
>>try)
>>
>>I will do as you suggest. I will buy a toy tomorrow and report back
>>
>>Thank you!
>
> If she likes to run from one to the other, why not get a frisbee and
> let her chase that back and forth to each other, she'll get
> competitive to grab it first.

But that is what keep saying, 'things' hold no interest for her. The only
thing that would work with, is if I threw some food. She simply is not
competitive except for food. She usually eat her dinner in the middle of
the night in the dark. If she eats anything during the day, she is
constantly looking around her. I guess she had to fight for her food.




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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:09:01 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >jmcquown wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 1/10/2016 9:09 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>> >> > this white wasn't flipable. It was very watery and thin. It was
>>>> >> > un-nerving the way the yolk rolled around like one of those balls
>>>> >> > with
>>>> >> > a weight inside.
>>>> >> > Janet US
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> I agree, the white sounds disgusting. Your description of the yolk
>>>> >> sounds like one of the rolling ball toys my cat Buffy plays with.
>>>> >> It's
>>>> >> called a golf ball.
>>>> >
>>>> >Did someone mention pets and golf balls? heheh
>>>> >
>>>> > http://i64.tinypic.com/10ykw37.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Lol, are you sure she has enough to keep her amused ?
>>>
>>> She likes that game. I get far away and roll them towards her.
>>
>> I wish my Poppy knew how to play with toys. She doesn't know what they
>> are I have bought all kinds of toys and kongs but she just looks at
>> them
>> and goes to do something else.
>>
>> The only game I have been able to teach her is if I go to one end of the
>> field/paddock and Himself holds her. Then I call her to me and she runs
>> so
>> fast to get to me she is almost rolling over. She loves it. Once she
>> has
>> recovered we do it the other way and he calls her.
>
> Yes, my other rescue dog never liked toys or knew what to do with them,
> she would chase a ball but then just look at it and never return it etc.,

I had a rescue that did that. It was a pain having to go and retrieve the
ball myself )


his
> rescue dog loves toys and I swear she thinks all shopping trips should
> have a new one since she gets excited when I'm unbagging them. She
> definitely has her favorites at any one time and if I try to change to
> another one during play, she won't have any part of it.

Awww she sounds like fun))



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On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:59:24 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:


>>
>> If she likes to run from one to the other, why not get a frisbee and
>> let her chase that back and forth to each other, she'll get
>> competitive to grab it first.
>
>But that is what keep saying, 'things' hold no interest for her. The only
>thing that would work with, is if I threw some food. She simply is not
>competitive except for food. She usually eat her dinner in the middle of
>the night in the dark. If she eats anything during the day, she is
>constantly looking around her. I guess she had to fight for her food.

Animal hoarding is ghastly - they have just rescued 69 cats here off
an elderly man - vet bills estimated at $26,000 to fix them up for
adoption. Many need dental work due to poor diets etc I don't
understand why people do it, I think it has little to do with
sheltering the animals and much to do with some psychological
aberration.

> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:59:24 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> If she likes to run from one to the other, why not get a frisbee and
>>> let her chase that back and forth to each other, she'll get
>>> competitive to grab it first.
>>
>>But that is what keep saying, 'things' hold no interest for her. The only
>>thing that would work with, is if I threw some food. She simply is not
>>competitive except for food. She usually eat her dinner in the middle of
>>the night in the dark. If she eats anything during the day, she is
>>constantly looking around her. I guess she had to fight for her food.
>
> Animal hoarding is ghastly - they have just rescued 69 cats here off
> an elderly man - vet bills estimated at $26,000 to fix them up for
> adoption. Many need dental work due to poor diets etc I don't
> understand why people do it, I think it has little to do with
> sheltering the animals and much to do with some psychological
> aberration.

I don't know how long her owner had been dead but they were all in dreadful
condition. This is her pic on the Dogs Trust site I fell in love with.

http://tinypic.com/r/ddonxz/9

Here she is after she had gained some weight and her hair had started to
grow again on her back.

http://tinypic.com/r/112dekx/9

In her chair! As you can see she has gained a little <?> weight The vet
says she needs to diet

http://tinypic.com/r/2mpn78z/9

She loves us to bits and hate all other dogs, which is understandable and
other people too. Maybe one day ...

Anyway I bought a toy today and here it is. It is very soft and cuddly. I
petted it a bit and she watched for a few minutes and then went to sleep

http://tinypic.com/r/2n1yvys/9
http://tinypic.com/r/v81nbs/9


Will try later.






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On 2016-01-12 6:47 AM, wrote:

> Animal hoarding is ghastly - they have just rescued 69 cats here off
> an elderly man - vet bills estimated at $26,000 to fix them up for
> adoption. Many need dental work due to poor diets etc I don't
> understand why people do it, I think it has little to do with
> sheltering the animals and much to do with some psychological
> aberration.
>


There is a horse rescue operation near here that seems to be more about
horse hording than rescuing. I have heard several people claim that the
woman will not give away or sell any of her rescued horses. It seems
to me more of her wanting a horse ranch with free labour from
volunteers and feed donations.

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 13:44:22 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:59:24 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> If she likes to run from one to the other, why not get a frisbee and
>>>> let her chase that back and forth to each other, she'll get
>>>> competitive to grab it first.
>>>
>>>But that is what keep saying, 'things' hold no interest for her. The only
>>>thing that would work with, is if I threw some food. She simply is not
>>>competitive except for food. She usually eat her dinner in the middle of
>>>the night in the dark. If she eats anything during the day, she is
>>>constantly looking around her. I guess she had to fight for her food.
>>
>> Animal hoarding is ghastly - they have just rescued 69 cats here off
>> an elderly man - vet bills estimated at $26,000 to fix them up for
>> adoption. Many need dental work due to poor diets etc I don't
>> understand why people do it, I think it has little to do with
>> sheltering the animals and much to do with some psychological
>> aberration.
>
>I don't know how long her owner had been dead but they were all in dreadful
>condition. This is her pic on the Dogs Trust site I fell in love with.
>
>http://tinypic.com/r/ddonxz/9
>
>Here she is after she had gained some weight and her hair had started to
>grow again on her back.
>
>http://tinypic.com/r/112dekx/9
>
>In her chair! As you can see she has gained a little <?> weight The vet
>says she needs to diet
>
>http://tinypic.com/r/2mpn78z/9
>
>She loves us to bits and hate all other dogs, which is understandable and
>other people too. Maybe one day ...
>
>Anyway I bought a toy today and here it is. It is very soft and cuddly. I
>petted it a bit and she watched for a few minutes and then went to sleep
>
>http://tinypic.com/r/2n1yvys/9
>http://tinypic.com/r/v81nbs/9
>
>
>Will try later.

well, darn. She looks at ease when sleeping in her chair and there is
a marked difference in her body language in your kitchen as opposed to
the rescue picture. Not having to be defensive is a big deal in her
world. That's a good thing. I know you are aware of the child
development timing issues and I am sure they apply here as well. I'd
continue to try for a bit longer and maybe leave the bear tucked in
her chair. She's comfy, that's what's important.
Janet US

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 13:44:22 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:59:24 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Animal hoarding is ghastly - they have just rescued 69 cats here off
>> an elderly man - vet bills estimated at $26,000 to fix them up for
>> adoption. Many need dental work due to poor diets etc I don't
>> understand why people do it, I think it has little to do with
>> sheltering the animals and much to do with some psychological
>> aberration.
>
>I don't know how long her owner had been dead but they were all in dreadful
>condition. This is her pic on the Dogs Trust site I fell in love with.
>
>http://tinypic.com/r/ddonxz/9
>
>Here she is after she had gained some weight and her hair had started to
>grow again on her back.
>
>http://tinypic.com/r/112dekx/9
>
>In her chair! As you can see she has gained a little <?> weight The vet
>says she needs to diet
>
>http://tinypic.com/r/2mpn78z/9
>
>She loves us to bits and hate all other dogs, which is understandable and
>other people too. Maybe one day ...
>
>Anyway I bought a toy today and here it is. It is very soft and cuddly. I
>petted it a bit and she watched for a few minutes and then went to sleep
>
>http://tinypic.com/r/2n1yvys/9
>http://tinypic.com/r/v81nbs/9
>
>
>Will try later.

Lol it definitely shows what good feeding can do She just looks
overall fit now. It's surprising how long they can go when an owner
dies, my last cat they reckoned had done ten days after her previous
owner died of a stroke. She likely had dry food and drank from the
toilet because cats can't go long without water, they dehydrate
quickly.

"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 13:44:22 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:59:24 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If she likes to run from one to the other, why not get a frisbee and
>>>>> let her chase that back and forth to each other, she'll get
>>>>> competitive to grab it first.
>>>>
>>>>But that is what keep saying, 'things' hold no interest for her. The
>>>>only
>>>>thing that would work with, is if I threw some food. She simply is not
>>>>competitive except for food. She usually eat her dinner in the middle
>>>>of
>>>>the night in the dark. If she eats anything during the day, she is
>>>>constantly looking around her. I guess she had to fight for her food.
>>>
>>> Animal hoarding is ghastly - they have just rescued 69 cats here off
>>> an elderly man - vet bills estimated at $26,000 to fix them up for
>>> adoption. Many need dental work due to poor diets etc I don't
>>> understand why people do it, I think it has little to do with
>>> sheltering the animals and much to do with some psychological
>>> aberration.
>>
>>I don't know how long her owner had been dead but they were all in
>>dreadful
>>condition. This is her pic on the Dogs Trust site I fell in love with.
>>
>>http://tinypic.com/r/ddonxz/9
>>
>>Here she is after she had gained some weight and her hair had started to
>>grow again on her back.
>>
>>http://tinypic.com/r/112dekx/9
>>
>>In her chair! As you can see she has gained a little <?> weight The
>>vet
>>says she needs to diet
>>
>>http://tinypic.com/r/2mpn78z/9
>>
>>She loves us to bits and hate all other dogs, which is understandable and
>>other people too. Maybe one day ...
>>
>>Anyway I bought a toy today and here it is. It is very soft and cuddly.
>>I
>>petted it a bit and she watched for a few minutes and then went to sleep
>>
>>http://tinypic.com/r/2n1yvys/9
>>http://tinypic.com/r/v81nbs/9
>>
>>
>>Will try later.
>
> well, darn. She looks at ease when sleeping in her chair and there is
> a marked difference in her body language in your kitchen as opposed to
> the rescue picture. Not having to be defensive is a big deal in her
> world. That's a good thing. I know you are aware of the child
> development timing issues and I am sure they apply here as well. I'd
> continue to try for a bit longer and maybe leave the bear tucked in
> her chair. She's comfy, that's what's important.

Yes, she is comfy and very affectionate - with us. Very well, I will put
the bear in her chair during the day? She has her bed for night. Should I
move it in there or just give her time with it in her chair?

I've never had a girl like her with such problems. It would be nice if she
could find comfort in that bear, although she get plenty from us whenever
she wants to)

Thanks Will report back)


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wrote:
>
> Animal hoarding is ghastly - they have just rescued 69 cats here off
> an elderly man - vet bills estimated at $26,000 to fix them up for
> adoption. Many need dental work due to poor diets etc I don't
> understand why people do it, I think it has little to do with
> sheltering the animals and much to do with some psychological
> aberration.

Years ago when I was looking for a new ferret, the city here raided a
ferret shelter (that I didn't know about). There was about 89 live
ones. The city killed all but about 14 within hours. No attempt to
heal the sick ones. The SPCA won't accept them. Animal shelter
wouldn't accept them. Both were only for dogs and cats. It was a
ferret holocaust. They killed them all before any group could
complain.

I wrote an immediate email to PETA (headquarters in my area) and they
never tried to stop this. They never even responded to my email except
to add me to their mailing list which asks for donations constantly.
Screw them. They don't care about animals, they just live nicely off
of the donations while pretending to care about animals.

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:44:44 -0500, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> Animal hoarding is ghastly - they have just rescued 69 cats here off
>> an elderly man - vet bills estimated at $26,000 to fix them up for
>> adoption. Many need dental work due to poor diets etc I don't
>> understand why people do it, I think it has little to do with
>> sheltering the animals and much to do with some psychological
>> aberration.
>
>Years ago when I was looking for a new ferret, the city here raided a
>ferret shelter (that I didn't know about). There was about 89 live
>ones. The city killed all but about 14 within hours. No attempt to
>heal the sick ones. The SPCA won't accept them. Animal shelter
>wouldn't accept them. Both were only for dogs and cats. It was a
>ferret holocaust. They killed them all before any group could
>complain.
>
>I wrote an immediate email to PETA (headquarters in my area) and they
>never tried to stop this. They never even responded to my email except
>to add me to their mailing list which asks for donations constantly.
>Screw them. They don't care about animals, they just live nicely off
>of the donations while pretending to care about animals.

Pitifully few charities of any kind do any good with cash donations
other than to heavily line the pockets of the admins. I discovered a
few local animal rescues, people who care for animals on their own
property. They don't want cash, they want animal feed and labor.

Gary wrote:
> I wrote an immediate email to PETA (headquarters in my area) and they
> never tried to stop this. They never even responded to my email except
> to add me to their mailing list which asks for donations constantly.
> Screw them. They don't care about animals, they just live nicely off
> of the donations while pretending to care about animals.


Thank you for posting this, and for caring to do something too.

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:44:44 -0500, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> Animal hoarding is ghastly - they have just rescued 69 cats here off
>> an elderly man - vet bills estimated at $26,000 to fix them up for
>> adoption. Many need dental work due to poor diets etc I don't
>> understand why people do it, I think it has little to do with
>> sheltering the animals and much to do with some psychological
>> aberration.
>
>Years ago when I was looking for a new ferret, the city here raided a
>ferret shelter (that I didn't know about). There was about 89 live
>ones. The city killed all but about 14 within hours. No attempt to
>heal the sick ones. The SPCA won't accept them. Animal shelter
>wouldn't accept them. Both were only for dogs and cats. It was a
>ferret holocaust. They killed them all before any group could
>complain.
>
>I wrote an immediate email to PETA (headquarters in my area) and they
>never tried to stop this. They never even responded to my email except
>to add me to their mailing list which asks for donations constantly.
>Screw them. They don't care about animals, they just live nicely off
>of the donations while pretending to care about animals.

We are fortunate here, Hope would have taken them.

http://www.hopeforwildlife.net/

Over the years she has had all sorts of creatures, even a migrating
bird blown off course which she took to Florida ultimately so she
could release there where there were others of the species.

On 1/11/2016 1:15 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/11/2016 5:25 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>
>
>>
>> An old egg?
>>
>>
>
> Post menopausal chicken?

Lucky chickens if they don't come out already cooked.

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Cheryl wrote:
> On 1/11/2016 1:15 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 1/11/2016 5:25 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> An old egg?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Post menopausal chicken?
>
> Lucky chickens if they don't come out already cooked.
>

LOLOLOL!!!

On 1/11/2016 11:04 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> The only game I have been able to teach her is if I go to one end of the
> field/paddock and Himself holds her. Then I call her to me and she runs so
> fast to get to me she is almost rolling over. She loves it. Once she has
> recovered we do it the other way and he calls her.

Here's a running game that might be fun for her. Deer and fence not
included.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEDL34RAI7c

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 1/11/2016 11:04 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> The only game I have been able to teach her is if I go to one end of the
>> field/paddock and Himself holds her. Then I call her to me and she runs
>> so
>> fast to get to me she is almost rolling over. She loves it. Once she
>> has
>> recovered we do it the other way and he calls her.
>
> Here's a running game that might be fun for her. Deer and fence not
> included.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEDL34RAI7c

LOL brilliant)) That deer was playing with the dog) For our girl? Not
a chance with her history though.


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On 1/11/2016 1:15 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/11/2016 5:25 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>
>
>>
>> An old egg?
>>
>>
>
> Post menopausal chicken?

Lucky chickens if they don't come out already cooked.

LOL that could be a seller


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

>> well, darn. She looks at ease when sleeping in her chair and there is
>> a marked difference in her body language in your kitchen as opposed to
>> the rescue picture. Not having to be defensive is a big deal in her
>> world. That's a good thing. I know you are aware of the child
>> development timing issues and I am sure they apply here as well. I'd
>> continue to try for a bit longer and maybe leave the bear tucked in
>> her chair. She's comfy, that's what's important.
>
> Yes, she is comfy and very affectionate - with us. Very well, I will put
> the bear in her chair during the day? She has her bed for night. Should
> I move it in there or just give her time with it in her chair?
>
> I've never had a girl like her with such problems. It would be nice if
> she could find comfort in that bear, although she get plenty from us
> whenever she wants to)
>
> Thanks Will report back)

Ok we played around with it and she gave it a good sniffing so when she had
sniffed enough, I put it into her chair.

"Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it, but
as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."

http://tinypic.com/r/2pt6xs4/9


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Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it, but
> as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."
>
> http://i68.tinypic.com/2pt6xs4.jpg

You *do* realize that a polar bear will eat a dog, right? lol
Not sure about teddy polar bears though. ;-)

Anyway, thanks for the pictures. She looks like a very nice doggie.
Interesting how her face is black and white but her eyelids are brown.

Very cute and obviously so much happier now that you've got her.

Good save, Ophelia! :-D

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it,
>> but
>> as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."
>>
>> http://i68.tinypic.com/2pt6xs4.jpg
>
> You *do* realize that a polar bear will eat a dog, right? lol
> Not sure about teddy polar bears though. ;-)

<g> She has turned around the other way now but she is still ignoring
it

> Anyway, thanks for the pictures. She looks like a very nice doggie.
> Interesting how her face is black and white but her eyelids are brown.

Yes, she is a tricolour Before she put on weight I was convinced she was a
cross collie/whippet. Look at those legs. They are not so obvious now but
none of my Collies have had such long legs

http://tinypic.com/r/21jy5ad/9

> Very cute and obviously so much happier now that you've got her.

) She has changed a LOT in the time we have had her

> Good save, Ophelia! :-D

We think so btw I am beginning to think you are right, about us being the
only playmates she is interested in, but I guess we shall see




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On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:33:57 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it, but
>> as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."
>>
>> http://i68.tinypic.com/2pt6xs4.jpg
>
>You *do* realize that a polar bear will eat a dog, right? lol
>Not sure about teddy polar bears though. ;-)
>
>Anyway, thanks for the pictures. She looks like a very nice doggie.
>Interesting how her face is black and white but her eyelids are brown.
>
>Very cute and obviously so much happier now that you've got her.
>
>Good save, Ophelia! :-D

Smart pooch, chose the best seat in the house.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:33:57 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it,
>>> but
>>> as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."
>>>
>>> http://i68.tinypic.com/2pt6xs4.jpg
>>
>>You *do* realize that a polar bear will eat a dog, right? lol
>>Not sure about teddy polar bears though. ;-)
>>
>>Anyway, thanks for the pictures. She looks like a very nice doggie.
>>Interesting how her face is black and white but her eyelids are brown.
>>
>>Very cute and obviously so much happier now that you've got her.
>>
>>Good save, Ophelia! :-D
>
> Smart pooch, chose the best seat in the house.

LOL she seems to think so)



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On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:09:11 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>>> well, darn. She looks at ease when sleeping in her chair and there is
>>> a marked difference in her body language in your kitchen as opposed to
>>> the rescue picture. Not having to be defensive is a big deal in her
>>> world. That's a good thing. I know you are aware of the child
>>> development timing issues and I am sure they apply here as well. I'd
>>> continue to try for a bit longer and maybe leave the bear tucked in
>>> her chair. She's comfy, that's what's important.
>>
>> Yes, she is comfy and very affectionate - with us. Very well, I will put
>> the bear in her chair during the day? She has her bed for night. Should
>> I move it in there or just give her time with it in her chair?
>>
>> I've never had a girl like her with such problems. It would be nice if
>> she could find comfort in that bear, although she get plenty from us
>> whenever she wants to)
>>
>> Thanks Will report back)
>
>Ok we played around with it and she gave it a good sniffing so when she had
>sniffed enough, I put it into her chair.
>
>"Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it, but
>as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."
>
>http://tinypic.com/r/2pt6xs4/9

You tried.
Janet US

"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:09:11 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>> well, darn. She looks at ease when sleeping in her chair and there is
>>>> a marked difference in her body language in your kitchen as opposed to
>>>> the rescue picture. Not having to be defensive is a big deal in her
>>>> world. That's a good thing. I know you are aware of the child
>>>> development timing issues and I am sure they apply here as well. I'd
>>>> continue to try for a bit longer and maybe leave the bear tucked in
>>>> her chair. She's comfy, that's what's important.
>>>
>>> Yes, she is comfy and very affectionate - with us. Very well, I will
>>> put
>>> the bear in her chair during the day? She has her bed for night.
>>> Should
>>> I move it in there or just give her time with it in her chair?
>>>
>>> I've never had a girl like her with such problems. It would be nice if
>>> she could find comfort in that bear, although she get plenty from us
>>> whenever she wants to)
>>>
>>> Thanks Will report back)
>>
>>Ok we played around with it and she gave it a good sniffing so when she
>>had
>>sniffed enough, I put it into her chair.
>>
>>"Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it, but
>>as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."
>>
>>http://tinypic.com/r/2pt6xs4/9
>
> You tried.

It was worth the try so thank you


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On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:53:08 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Janet B" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:09:11 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>> well, darn. She looks at ease when sleeping in her chair and there is
>>>>> a marked difference in her body language in your kitchen as opposed to
>>>>> the rescue picture. Not having to be defensive is a big deal in her
>>>>> world. That's a good thing. I know you are aware of the child
>>>>> development timing issues and I am sure they apply here as well. I'd
>>>>> continue to try for a bit longer and maybe leave the bear tucked in
>>>>> her chair. She's comfy, that's what's important.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, she is comfy and very affectionate - with us. Very well, I will
>>>> put
>>>> the bear in her chair during the day? She has her bed for night.
>>>> Should
>>>> I move it in there or just give her time with it in her chair?
>>>>
>>>> I've never had a girl like her with such problems. It would be nice if
>>>> she could find comfort in that bear, although she get plenty from us
>>>> whenever she wants to)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Will report back)
>>>
>>>Ok we played around with it and she gave it a good sniffing so when she
>>>had
>>>sniffed enough, I put it into her chair.
>>>
>>>"Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it, but
>>>as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."
>>>
>>>http://tinypic.com/r/2pt6xs4/9
>>
>> You tried.
>
>It was worth the try so thank you

Cats are easy, just rub their toys with catnip.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:53:08 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:09:11 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>>> well, darn. She looks at ease when sleeping in her chair and there
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a marked difference in her body language in your kitchen as opposed
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the rescue picture. Not having to be defensive is a big deal in her
>>>>>> world. That's a good thing. I know you are aware of the child
>>>>>> development timing issues and I am sure they apply here as well. I'd
>>>>>> continue to try for a bit longer and maybe leave the bear tucked in
>>>>>> her chair. She's comfy, that's what's important.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, she is comfy and very affectionate - with us. Very well, I will
>>>>> put
>>>>> the bear in her chair during the day? She has her bed for night.
>>>>> Should
>>>>> I move it in there or just give her time with it in her chair?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never had a girl like her with such problems. It would be nice
>>>>> if
>>>>> she could find comfort in that bear, although she get plenty from us
>>>>> whenever she wants to)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Will report back)
>>>>
>>>>Ok we played around with it and she gave it a good sniffing so when she
>>>>had
>>>>sniffed enough, I put it into her chair.
>>>>
>>>>"Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it,
>>>>but
>>>>as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."
>>>>
>>>>http://tinypic.com/r/2pt6xs4/9
>>>
>>> You tried.
>>
>>It was worth the try so thank you
>
> Cats are easy, just rub their toys with catnip.

I've never had a cat. I am allergic to their dander.


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On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 19:26:35 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:53:08 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:09:11 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> well, darn. She looks at ease when sleeping in her chair and there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a marked difference in her body language in your kitchen as opposed
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the rescue picture. Not having to be defensive is a big deal in her
>>>>>>> world. That's a good thing. I know you are aware of the child
>>>>>>> development timing issues and I am sure they apply here as well. I'd
>>>>>>> continue to try for a bit longer and maybe leave the bear tucked in
>>>>>>> her chair. She's comfy, that's what's important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, she is comfy and very affectionate - with us. Very well, I will
>>>>>> put
>>>>>> the bear in her chair during the day? She has her bed for night.
>>>>>> Should
>>>>>> I move it in there or just give her time with it in her chair?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never had a girl like her with such problems. It would be nice
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> she could find comfort in that bear, although she get plenty from us
>>>>>> whenever she wants to)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Will report back)
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok we played around with it and she gave it a good sniffing so when she
>>>>>had
>>>>>sniffed enough, I put it into her chair.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it,
>>>>>but
>>>>>as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."
>>>>>
>>>>>http://tinypic.com/r/2pt6xs4/9
>>>>
>>>> You tried.
>>>
>>>It was worth the try so thank you
>>
>> Cats are easy, just rub their toys with catnip.
>
>I've never had a cat. I am allergic to their dander.

Well maybe there's an equivalent 'dognip'... however both dogs and
cats are very attracted to laundry with their owners scent, I bet if
you dress that Teddy Bear with your unlaundered undies the issue will
be resolved... I bet if you use a bra you wore 2-3 days that will
work, all us Dawgs can't resist that well worn bra aroma. LOL

Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:53:08 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:09:11 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> well, darn. She looks at ease when sleeping in her chair and there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a marked difference in her body language in your kitchen as opposed
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the rescue picture. Not having to be defensive is a big deal in her
>>>>>>> world. That's a good thing. I know you are aware of the child
>>>>>>> development timing issues and I am sure they apply here as well.
>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>> continue to try for a bit longer and maybe leave the bear tucked in
>>>>>>> her chair. She's comfy, that's what's important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, she is comfy and very affectionate - with us. Very well, I
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> put
>>>>>> the bear in her chair during the day? She has her bed for night.
>>>>>> Should
>>>>>> I move it in there or just give her time with it in her chair?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never had a girl like her with such problems. It would be nice
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> she could find comfort in that bear, although she get plenty from us
>>>>>> whenever she wants to)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Will report back)
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok we played around with it and she gave it a good sniffing so when
>>>>> she
>>>>> had
>>>>> sniffed enough, I put it into her chair.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it,
>>>>> but
>>>>> as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinypic.com/r/2pt6xs4/9
>>>>
>>>> You tried.
>>>
>>> It was worth the try so thank you
>>
>> Cats are easy, just rub their toys with catnip.
>
> I've never had a cat. I am allergic to their dander.
>
>
Just make sure himself never learns to lick himself...

;-)

On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 2:32:16 PM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 19:26:35 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:53:08 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:09:11 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> well, darn. She looks at ease when sleeping in her chair and there
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> a marked difference in her body language in your kitchen as opposed
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> the rescue picture. Not having to be defensive is a big deal in her
> >>>>>>> world. That's a good thing. I know you are aware of the child
> >>>>>>> development timing issues and I am sure they apply here as well. I'd
> >>>>>>> continue to try for a bit longer and maybe leave the bear tucked in
> >>>>>>> her chair. She's comfy, that's what's important.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, she is comfy and very affectionate - with us. Very well, I will
> >>>>>> put
> >>>>>> the bear in her chair during the day? She has her bed for night.
> >>>>>> Should
> >>>>>> I move it in there or just give her time with it in her chair?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've never had a girl like her with such problems. It would be nice
> >>>>>> if
> >>>>>> she could find comfort in that bear, although she get plenty from us
> >>>>>> whenever she wants to)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks Will report back)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ok we played around with it and she gave it a good sniffing so when she
> >>>>>had
> >>>>>sniffed enough, I put it into her chair.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Yes, it makes a decent cushion so long as I don't have to look at it,
> >>>>>but
> >>>>>as you can see, I have far more important things to do ..."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://tinypic.com/r/2pt6xs4/9
> >>>>
> >>>> You tried.
> >>>
> >>>It was worth the try so thank you
> >>
> >> Cats are easy, just rub their toys with catnip.
> >
> >I've never had a cat. I am allergic to their dander.
>
> Well maybe there's an equivalent 'dognip'... however both dogs and
> cats are very attracted to laundry with their owners scent, I bet if
> you dress that Teddy Bear with your unlaundered undies the issue will
> be resolved... I bet if you use a bra you wore 2-3 days that will
> work, all us Dawgs can't resist that well worn bra aroma. LOL

Not only dogs. My motgher told me she slept with a shirt of my father's after he left for WWII. I don't blame her a bit!! Comforting smell of home! And I used to snuggle with Max, my mother's dachsund! She said it made me smell like dog. And I was very aware of the dog smell. Smelled just fine to me!

John Kuthe...

On 1/12/2016 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 1/11/2016 11:04 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> The only game I have been able to teach her is if I go to one end of the
>> field/paddock and Himself holds her. Then I call her to me and she
>> runs so
>> fast to get to me she is almost rolling over. She loves it. Once she
>> has
>> recovered we do it the other way and he calls her.
>
> Here's a running game that might be fun for her. Deer and fence not
> included.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEDL34RAI7c
>
I'm a little late on seeing that video but wow! What fun! Thanks.

Jill