On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 10:36:50 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:11:30 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > > "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> > > > after
> > > > the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> > > > even
> > > > stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> > > > since
> > > > I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
> > > > with
> > > > the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> > > > shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> > > > then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
> > > > I'll
> > > > make it.
> > >
> > > Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> > > estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> > > there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
> > > out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
> > > PAY!
> > >
> > > John Kuthe...
> > >
> > >
> > > At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> > > and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> > > nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
> > > you are stable and can take care of yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
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> >
> > Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> My dad fell on some ice in Sweden and needed extensive work to rebuild his shattered ankle. He's got a bunch of pins in his foot, which he seems to be somewhat proud of. The Swedish docs did a pretty good job. When he returned to the states, he wanted to square all his affairs so he contacted the hospital. His bill for his medical care was approximately 50 bucks. In the US, that won't get you a band-aid.

Yep!! That's socialized health care!! Government's all up in it, and what you get is excellent health care, and very reasonabe prices!! But what youi DON'T get is multibillion$ FOR PROFIT health care insurance, and stupidly expensive health care! That's for U.S.!! Ain't it fin? :-(

John Kuthe...

On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 7:34:21 AM UTC-10, cibola de oro wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:11:30 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> >> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >>> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> >>>> after
> >>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> >>>> even
> >>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> >>>> since
> >>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
> >>>> with
> >>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> >>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> >>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
> >>>> I'll
> >>>> make it.
> >>>
> >>> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> >>> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> >>> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
> >>> out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
> >>> PAY!
> >>>
> >>> John Kuthe...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> >>> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> >>> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
> >>> you are stable and can take care of yourself.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>
> >> Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
> >>
> >> John Kuthe...
> >
> > My dad fell on some ice in Sweden and needed extensive work to rebuild his shattered ankle. He's got a bunch of pins in his foot, which he seems to be somewhat proud of. The Swedish docs did a pretty good job. When he returned to the states, he wanted to square all his affairs so he contacted the hospital. His bill for his medical care was approximately 50 bucks. In the US, that won't get you a band-aid.
> >
>
> Guess who paid for it...
>
> Bills are real.

The Swedes pay super high tax rates so everyone there knows the answer to that question. The Swedes have it in their mind to build a better society and that costs - a lot. OTOH, the idea of people not being able to pay for health care or education makes no sense to my Swedish stepmom. It makes no sense to me either but then, I've always been a dreamer.

Her daughter-in-law is from the Ukraine and they provided schooling for her to learn the Swedish language and training so she could be a productive, tax-paying, member of Swedish society. Of course they provided child care so she could get an education. It sounds like a sweet deal to me. It sounds like a sweet deal to a massive waves of immigrants flooding in from Africa and the Middle East too.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 7:34:21 AM UTC-10, cibola de oro wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:11:30 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>>>>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>>>>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>> make it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
>>>>> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
>>>>> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
>>>>> out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
>>>>> PAY!
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
>>>>> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
>>>>> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
>>>>> you are stable and can take care of yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>>
>>>> Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> My dad fell on some ice in Sweden and needed extensive work to rebuild his shattered ankle. He's got a bunch of pins in his foot, which he seems to be somewhat proud of. The Swedish docs did a pretty good job. When he returned to the states, he wanted to square all his affairs so he contacted the hospital. His bill for his medical care was approximately 50 bucks. In the US, that won't get you a band-aid.
>>>
>>
>> Guess who paid for it...
>>
>> Bills are real.
>
> The Swedes pay super high tax rates so everyone there knows the answer to that question.

Ayup.

> The Swedes have it in their mind to build a better society and that costs - a lot.

They failed to factor human nature.

> OTOH, the idea of people not being able to pay for health care or education makes no sense to my Swedish stepmom. It makes no sense to me either but then, I've always been a dreamer.

Lol.


> Her daughter-in-law is from the Ukraine and they provided schooling for her to learn the Swedish language and training so she could be a productive, tax-paying, member of Swedish society. Of course they provided child care so she could get an education. It sounds like a sweet deal to me. It sounds like a sweet deal to a massive waves of immigrants flooding in from Africa and the Middle East too.

Outsourcing immigrants, BRILLIANT!