I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't even
stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think since
I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
make it.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
>I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
>the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't even
>stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think since
>I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
>the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
>make it.

Good luck. . .

On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

>I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
>the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't even
>stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think since
>I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
>the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
>make it.

Just take things slow.

"The New Other Guy" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>>I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>after
>>the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>>even
>>stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>>since
>>I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>>with
>>the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>>shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>>then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>>I'll
>>make it.
>
> Just take things slow.

Yes. Thanks!

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 2:22:58 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't even
> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think since
> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
> make it.

Just be a good girl and do what the doctor says. See if maybe your family can wait on you for a change.

On 1/14/2016 5:22 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> after the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and
> couldn't even stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I
> would think since I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And
> wearing the jammies with the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz
> stuck to the wound. But I can shower with plain water later. I'm going
> to finish eating these ice chips then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun
> times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll make it.

Take care of yourself and prayers for a speedy recovery!

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
>the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't even
>stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think since
>I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
>the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
>make it.

Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.

Doris

Doris Night wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't even
>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think since
>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
>> make it.
>
> Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.
>
> Doris
>
Ditto.

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>after
>>the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>>even
>>stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>>since
>>I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>>with
>>the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>>shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>>then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>>I'll
>>make it.
>
> Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.
>
> Doris

What could be easier than posting to a newsgroup? There have been a few here
who were riddled with cancer, undergoing chemo etc., but still managed to
post almost daily, just for companionship if nothing else.

Cheri

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 2:22:58 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>> after
>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>> even
>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>> since
>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>> with
>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>> chips
>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>> I'll
>> make it.
>
> Just be a good girl and do what the doctor says. See if maybe your family
> can wait on you for a change.

Thanks!

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 1/14/2016 5:22 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>> after the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and
>> couldn't even stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I
>> would think since I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And
>> wearing the jammies with the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz
>> stuck to the wound. But I can shower with plain water later. I'm going
>> to finish eating these ice chips then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun
>> times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll make it.
>
> Take care of yourself and prayers for a speedy recovery!

Thanks! I stopped taking the pain meds. In the hospital I complained of
all sorts of symptoms and they acted like I was nuts. Like... Stop
scratching! You're not breathing. Breath! And also the overheating. Got
home and looked up the med. All side effects. I feel MUCH better without
it. The pain is lessening every hour. It's mainly just a problem when I
need to move around or cough because there is bruising. Thankfully, one
little freezer has nothing but ice and ice packs in it.

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>after
>>the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>>even
>>stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>>since
>>I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>>with
>>the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>>shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>>then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>>I'll
>>make it.
>
> Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.

Thanks!

"cibola de oro" > wrote in message
...
> Doris Night wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>> after
>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>>> even
>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>>> since
>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>>> with
>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I
>>> can
>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>>> chips
>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>>> I'll
>>> make it.
>>
>> Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.
>>
>> Doris
>>
> Ditto.

Thanks!

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>>after
>>>the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>>>even
>>>stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>>>since
>>>I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>>>with
>>>the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>>>shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>>>chips
>>>then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>>>I'll
>>>make it.
>>
>> Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.
>>
>> Doris
>
> What could be easier than posting to a newsgroup? There have been a few
> here who were riddled with cancer, undergoing chemo etc., but still
> managed to post almost daily, just for companionship if nothing else.
>
> Cheri

I tried to call my one friend who has no Internet to tell her that I was
home and also tried to call the Dr. to make an appointment. My voice is
cutting in and out and at the best, is still very weak. So speaking is out.
The frustrating thing is that at the hospital if I pointed to my cup and
said, "ice", they just did not get it. Always replied, "What? What do you
want?" It was like in school where you had to type out the whole sentence
and not just give the answer.

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't even
> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think since
> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
> make it.

I feel your pain - well, not really but get well soon!

Cheri wrote:
>
> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>> after
>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and
>>> couldn't even
>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would
>>> think since
>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the
>>> jammies with
>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I
>>> can
>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>>> chips
>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat
>>> but I'll
>>> make it.
>>
>> Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.
>>
>> Doris
>
> What could be easier than posting to a newsgroup? There have been a few
> here who were riddled with cancer, undergoing chemo etc., but still
> managed to post almost daily, just for companionship if nothing else.
>
> Cheri

for a precious few decent souls such as yourself I can think of no more
bleak place to pass from this life than in the company of trolls,
abusers, stalkers and the mentally defective - ie: RFC.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "cibola de oro" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Doris Night wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me
>>>> home after
>>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and
>>>> couldn't even
>>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would
>>>> think since
>>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the
>>>> jammies with
>>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But
>>>> I can
>>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>>>> chips
>>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat
>>>> but I'll
>>>> make it.
>>>
>>> Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.
>>>
>>> Doris
>>>
>> Ditto.
>
> Thanks!

Rest, sleep heals like no other thing.

"cibola de oro" > wrote in message
...
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>>> after
>>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and
>>>> couldn't even
>>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would
>>>> think since
>>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the
>>>> jammies with
>>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I
>>>> can
>>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>>>> chips
>>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat
>>>> but I'll
>>>> make it.
>>>
>>> Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.
>>>
>>> Doris
>>
>> What could be easier than posting to a newsgroup? There have been a few
>> here who were riddled with cancer, undergoing chemo etc., but still
>> managed to post almost daily, just for companionship if nothing else.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> for a precious few decent souls such as yourself I can think of no more
> bleak place to pass from this life than in the company of trolls, abusers,
> stalkers and the mentally defective - ie: RFC.

Not a place I would choose to pass from or share heartache with that's for
sure. LOL

Cheri

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>> after
>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>> even
>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>> since
>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>> with
>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>> chips
>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>> I'll
>> make it.
>
> I feel your pain - well, not really but get well soon!

Thanks!

Cheri wrote:
>
> "cibola de oro" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>>>> after
>>>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and
>>>>> couldn't even
>>>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would
>>>>> think since
>>>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the
>>>>> jammies with
>>>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I
>>>>> can
>>>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>>>>> chips
>>>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat
>>>>> but I'll
>>>>> make it.
>>>>
>>>> Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.
>>>>
>>>> Doris
>>>
>>> What could be easier than posting to a newsgroup? There have been a few
>>> here who were riddled with cancer, undergoing chemo etc., but still
>>> managed to post almost daily, just for companionship if nothing else.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> for a precious few decent souls such as yourself I can think of no
>> more bleak place to pass from this life than in the company of trolls,
>> abusers, stalkers and the mentally defective - ie: RFC.
>
> Not a place I would choose to pass from or share heartache with that's
> for sure. LOL
>
> Cheri

You're a quality person, that answer is consistent with who you are.

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't even
> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think since
> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
> make it.

Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will PAY!

John Kuthe...

In article >,
John Kuthe > wrote:

> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
> > the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> > even
> > stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> > since
> > I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
> > the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> > shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> > then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
> > make it.
>
> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU out
> ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will PAY!
>
> John Kuthe...

I don't know about that. They let me stay 11 days, and I was wanting to
go home pretty badly by then. And by the 10th day when they finally let
me eat the food tasted awfully good even for hospital food. By then, for
some reason, the one thing I really craved was a fresh baked loaf of
bread.

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 2:12:57 PM UTC-6, Mark Storkamp wrote:
> In article >,
> John Kuthe > wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
> > > the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> > > even
> > > stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> > > since
> > > I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
> > > the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> > > shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> > > then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
> > > make it.
> >
> > Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> > estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> > there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU out
> > ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will PAY!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> I don't know about that. They let me stay 11 days, and I was wanting to
> go home pretty badly by then. And by the 10th day when they finally let
> me eat the food tasted awfully good even for hospital food. By then, for
> some reason, the one thing I really craved was a fresh baked loaf of
> bread.

Who was paying for those 11 days? A FOR PROFIT health insurer here in the U.S.?

And I'll bet your doctors had a very good medical reason for keeping you inpatient that long! I'm an RN, I know how that stuff works!

John Kuthe...

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 3:33:07 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 2:12:57 PM UTC-6, Mark Storkamp wrote:
> > In article >,
> > John Kuthe > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
> > > > the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> > > > even
> > > > stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> > > > since
> > > > I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
> > > > the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> > > > shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> > > > then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
> > > > make it.
> > >
> > > Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> > > estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> > > there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU out
> > > ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will PAY!
> > >
> > > John Kuthe...
> >
> > I don't know about that. They let me stay 11 days, and I was wanting to
> > go home pretty badly by then. And by the 10th day when they finally let
> > me eat the food tasted awfully good even for hospital food. By then, for
> > some reason, the one thing I really craved was a fresh baked loaf of
> > bread.
>
> Who was paying for those 11 days? A FOR PROFIT health insurer here in the U.S.?

I don't know about Mark Storkamp, but when my husband was last hospitalized,
it was paid for by his employer, which is self-insured.

His previous stay was paid for by my health insurance, which is a nonprofit.

As in Mark's case, he was pretty eager to get home by the time he was
released, even though it was less than a week each time.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
John Kuthe > wrote:

> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 2:12:57 PM UTC-6, Mark Storkamp wrote:
> > In article >,
> > John Kuthe > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> > > > after
> > > > the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> > > > even
> > > > stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> > > > since
> > > > I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
> > > > with
> > > > the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I
> > > > can
> > > > shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
> > > > chips
> > > > then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
> > > > I'll
> > > > make it.
> > >
> > > Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> > > estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then
> > > stay
> > > there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
> > > out
> > > ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
> > > PAY!
> > >
> > > John Kuthe...
> >
> > I don't know about that. They let me stay 11 days, and I was wanting to
> > go home pretty badly by then. And by the 10th day when they finally let
> > me eat the food tasted awfully good even for hospital food. By then, for
> > some reason, the one thing I really craved was a fresh baked loaf of
> > bread.
>
> Who was paying for those 11 days? A FOR PROFIT health insurer here in the
> U.S.?
>
Yes, for profit insurance in the US.

> And I'll bet your doctors had a very good medical reason for keeping you
> inpatient that long! I'm an RN, I know how that stuff works!
>
I just trusted that my doctors knew what they were doing. Until my
intestines started working again, no food, no liquid, no leaving.
(radical cystectomy with ileal conduit construction)

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> after
> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> even
> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> since
> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
> with
> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
> I'll
> make it.

Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
PAY!

John Kuthe...


At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
you are stable and can take care of yourself.



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John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 2:12:57 PM UTC-6, Mark Storkamp wrote:
>> In article >,
>> John Kuthe > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home after
>>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>>>> even
>>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>>>> since
>>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies with
>>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but I'll
>>>> make it.
>>>
>>> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
>>> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
>>> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU out
>>> ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will PAY!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> I don't know about that. They let me stay 11 days, and I was wanting to
>> go home pretty badly by then. And by the 10th day when they finally let
>> me eat the food tasted awfully good even for hospital food. By then, for
>> some reason, the one thing I really craved was a fresh baked loaf of
>> bread.
>
> Who was paying for those 11 days? A FOR PROFIT health insurer here in the U.S.?
>
> And I'll bet your doctors had a very good medical reason for keeping you inpatient that long! I'm an RN, I know how that stuff works!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

You have bragged here about not even having health insurance, so who the
**** are you to question HIM???

Hypocrite!

"cibola de oro" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "cibola de oro" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Doris Night wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me
>>>>> home after
>>>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and
>>>>> couldn't even
>>>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would
>>>>> think since
>>>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the
>>>>> jammies with
>>>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But
>>>>> I can
>>>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>>>>> chips
>>>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat
>>>>> but I'll
>>>>> make it.
>>>>
>>>> Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.
>>>>
>>>> Doris
>>>>
>>> Ditto.
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> Rest, sleep heals like no other thing.

Thanks.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "cibola de oro" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "cibola de oro" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Doris Night wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:22:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me
>>>>>> home after
>>>>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and
>>>>>> couldn't even
>>>>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would
>>>>>> think since
>>>>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the
>>>>>> jammies with
>>>>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But
>>>>>> I can
>>>>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>>>>>> chips
>>>>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat
>>>>>> but I'll
>>>>>> make it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to see you made it through OK. Now just take it easy, FFS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doris
>>>>>
>>>> Ditto.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>> Rest, sleep heals like no other thing.
>
> Thanks.

You're welcome, also water and water and, yeah I know, the pee breaks
make sleep transitory, but flushing the system is always beneficial, if
your Docs concur, of course.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>> after
>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>> even
>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>> since
>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>> with
>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>> chips
>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>> I'll
>> make it.
>
> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
> out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE
> will PAY!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
>
> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they
> think you are stable and can take care of yourself.

There was no way I could have come home that first night. I was so very
sick and disoriented.

On 2016-01-15 5:03 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:

> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
> you are stable and can take care of yourself.
>

The cost for a bed in a hospital here is about $1000 per night, a little
more for private or semi private.

Most surgical procedures these days are much less invasive than they
used to be so there is less need for post-operative care and
hospitalization. A lot of it is done laparoscopy and as day surgery.
When my father had his gall bladder removed in the early 1960s he had an
incision that was more than a foot long and had a drain tube and was in
the hospital for two weeks. We were not allowed to see him for the first
week. When my wife had her gall bladder removed a few years ago she was
there for 7 am and I picked her up and brought her home at 1:30. I was
not quite that lucky. My gall stone was huge and the gall bladder in bad
shape and I was kept in for three days post-op. Even heart surgery, as
invasive as it is, usually sees patients realized after just a few days.

Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time? Those places
are full of sick people and their germs. One of the reasons I waited so
long to go to the hospital with my gall bladder problem was that I was
feeling pretty sick. I didn't want to to the the ER in tat condition and
to be exposed to all those sick people. There are a number of super
bugs that linger in hospitals. I went through a C-dificile scare after
my gall bladder surgery.

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> > after
> > the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> > even
> > stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> > since
> > I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
> > with
> > the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> > shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> > then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
> > I'll
> > make it.
>
> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
> out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
> PAY!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
>
> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
> you are stable and can take care of yourself.
>
>
>
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Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!

John Kuthe...

On 1/16/2016 9:11 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
>
> John Kuthe...

Thank Obozo for that, you hypocrite chill.

In article >,
says...
>

> Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time?

When I had my children, usual practice in NHS hospitals was for mother
and child to stay in hospital for 10 days after the birth; it was called
"lying in". All we had to do was rest and recover in bed, feeding and
doting on our newborns; it was bliss. Midwives were there to help and
reassure first timers with everything, including all night.

These days even first time mothers normally take the baby home within
24 hours of delivery. IMHO they are really missing out on the rest, care
and support we enjoyed.

Janet UK

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 11:01:53 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
>
> > Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time?
>
> When I had my children, usual practice in NHS hospitals was for mother
> and child to stay in hospital for 10 days after the birth; it was called
> "lying in". All we had to do was rest and recover in bed, feeding and
> doting on our newborns; it was bliss. Midwives were there to help and
> reassure first timers with everything, including all night.
>
> These days even first time mothers normally take the baby home within
> 24 hours of delivery. IMHO they are really missing out on the rest, care
> and support we enjoyed.
>
> Janet UK

Where's the "Like" button??!! :-)

John Kuthe...

"Janet" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>
>> Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time?
>
> When I had my children, usual practice in NHS hospitals was for mother
> and child to stay in hospital for 10 days after the birth; it was called
> "lying in". All we had to do was rest and recover in bed, feeding and
> doting on our newborns; it was bliss. Midwives were there to help and
> reassure first timers with everything, including all night.
>
> These days even first time mothers normally take the baby home within
> 24 hours of delivery. IMHO they are really missing out on the rest, care
> and support we enjoyed.
>
> Janet UK

I got no rest at all. Because I had complications, I was there for two days
but then she developed jaundice so she had to go into the pediatric wing
which was under remodel. So not only was it noisy, but freezing! I had no
bed to sleep on. Just a chair with a part that pulled out and it was most
uncomfortable. Husband and I were both there and we took turns attempting
to sleep, which as you can imagine, didn't go well.

On 16/01/2016 10:01 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>
>> Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time?
>
> When I had my children, usual practice in NHS hospitals was for mother
> and child to stay in hospital for 10 days after the birth; it was called
> "lying in". All we had to do was rest and recover in bed, feeding and
> doting on our newborns; it was bliss. Midwives were there to help and
> reassure first timers with everything, including all night.
>
> These days even first time mothers normally take the baby home within
> 24 hours of delivery. IMHO they are really missing out on the rest, care
> and support we enjoyed.
>
> Janet UK
>
After my elder son's birth, J was in the hospital for 10 days. Not only
that, within 30 minutes of the birth, the nurse asked her what she would
like to eat and suggested a steak!

After that son's 1st was born, my d-i-l and baby were discharged about 3
hours later and when I phoned (from the UK) they were on their way home
and my son was getting her a hamburger at a drive-through!

Graham

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 16/01/2016 10:01 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>
>>> Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time?
>>
>> When I had my children, usual practice in NHS hospitals was for mother
>> and child to stay in hospital for 10 days after the birth; it was called
>> "lying in". All we had to do was rest and recover in bed, feeding and
>> doting on our newborns; it was bliss. Midwives were there to help and
>> reassure first timers with everything, including all night.
>>
>> These days even first time mothers normally take the baby home within
>> 24 hours of delivery. IMHO they are really missing out on the rest, care
>> and support we enjoyed.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> After my elder son's birth, J was in the hospital for 10 days. Not only
> that, within 30 minutes of the birth, the nurse asked her what she would
> like to eat and suggested a steak!
>
> After that son's 1st was born, my d-i-l and baby were discharged about 3
> hours later and when I phoned (from the UK) they were on their way home
> and my son was getting her a hamburger at a drive-through!

They had steak in the hospital? Ha! Not here. They had nothing I'd want
to eat except for the applesauce. I was very happy to have a hummus cup and
water biscuits with me.

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:11:30 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> > > after
> > > the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> > > even
> > > stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> > > since
> > > I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
> > > with
> > > the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> > > shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> > > then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
> > > I'll
> > > make it.
> >
> > Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> > estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> > there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
> > out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
> > PAY!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
> >
> >
> > At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> > and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> > nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
> > you are stable and can take care of yourself.
> >
> >
> >
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> Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
>
> John Kuthe...

My dad fell on some ice in Sweden and needed extensive work to rebuild his shattered ankle. He's got a bunch of pins in his foot, which he seems to be somewhat proud of. The Swedish docs did a pretty good job. When he returned to the states, he wanted to square all his affairs so he contacted the hospital. His bill for his medical care was approximately 50 bucks. In the US, that won't get you a band-aid.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:11:30 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>>> after
>>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>>>> even
>>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>>>> since
>>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>>>> with
>>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>>>> I'll
>>>> make it.
>>>
>>> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
>>> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
>>> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
>>> out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
>>> PAY!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>>
>>> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
>>> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
>>> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
>>> you are stable and can take care of yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> My dad fell on some ice in Sweden and needed extensive work to rebuild his shattered ankle. He's got a bunch of pins in his foot, which he seems to be somewhat proud of. The Swedish docs did a pretty good job. When he returned to the states, he wanted to square all his affairs so he contacted the hospital. His bill for his medical care was approximately 50 bucks. In the US, that won't get you a band-aid.
>

Guess who paid for it...

Bills are real.