Ophelia wrote:
>Roy wrote:
>>
>> One of my neighbors makes bread everyday with his inexpensive
>> bread-machine. The bread is so good that I have just ordered one for
>> myself. Do many of you RFCers use these machines or has the interest in
>> them waned? Just curious.
>
>I don't actually bake in mine but I do use it to make 'starters' and have it
>knead the dough. I have arthritis in my hand the machine is a boon I do
>prefer to bake the bread in the oven though. I can use my own recipes so
>long as I keep within the quantity levels (iyswim)

Then all you need is a small inexpensive stand mixer... in fact my
Kitchen Aid hand mixer came with dough hooks, I tried them and they
work well for no more than 3 pounds of bread dough, enough for two
loaves. But I don't use the dough hooks, I'd rather use the ABM and
let the ABM do the baking. Last week I let it make Caesar bread, I
added a tin of anchovy fillets with oil, and a 1/4 cup grated parm, an
egg, and some black pepper to a pizza dough recipe (needed no salt),
turned out highly addictive... if on a diet don't do it because you'll
eat it all and be looking for more before bedtime.

On 21/1/2016 06:24 Brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 07:00:16 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On 20/1/2016 17:34 Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:50:16 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 01:27:30 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>but don't you hate the paddle hole in the bread?
>>>>
>>>>No, not on the one I'm using at least. Put it this way - I didn't seem
>>>>to notice it a great deal on the couple of loaves I have done so far.
>>>>I think I just cut off that part, <shrug> no biggie for me. The chooks
>>>>can have that.
>>>>
>>>>The third loaf is nearly ready, I'll pay closer attention to the
>>>>paddle hole when it comes out this time.
>>>
>>> Meh... it's just a 1" hole in the middle of the last 1-2" of the loaf.
>>> I can live with that
>>
>>I've been thinking of getting one again, just to do the kneading. I
>>don't like the sticky, messy part.
>
> Why not let it bake, the kneading and rising cycles use the most
> time, baking is only another 40 minutes or so... and since it can only
> knead dough enough for one loaf at a time I don't see your point.

The bread it makes is better than supermarket foam, but the bread I make
by hand is the best. If the machine kneads and I do the rest, I might
get the best of both worlds.

--
Bruce

On 21/1/2016 06:05 Brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:05:54 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On 20/1/2016 12:50 cshenk wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On 20/1/2016 10:43 Je�us wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:09:04 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > One of my neighbors makes bread everyday with his inexpensive
>>>> > > bread-machine. The bread is so good that I have just ordered one
>>>> > > for myself. Do many of you RFCers use these machines or has the
>>>> > > interest in them waned? Just curious.
>>>> >
>>>> > I almost started this very same thread myself.
>>>> >
>>>> > When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we
>>>> > had nice, fresh bread each morning. For some reason I've always been
>>>> > highly sceptical of bread makers, preferring to do it by hand.
>>>> >
>>>> > Last week I borrowed an old, well used (noisy!) bread maker to try
>>>> > for myself, still being a little resistant to the idea. Well, I'm
>>>> > not a skeptic any more, and sometime soon I'll be buying my own.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have the bread maker running right now as I type this.
>>>> > The time and trouble it saves is well worth it.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's always better than supermarket bread, but don't you hate
>>>> the paddle hole in the bread? Or do you remove the paddle after the
>>>> kneading phase?
>>>
>>> I do it in dough mode most of the time and form to small buns or loaves.
>>>
>>> Besides, the hole is not a problem. Thats where you'd center slice the
>>> bread anyways.
>>
>>You must have a BBM that makes horizontal loaves.
>
> What's a "BBM"... a Big Beautiful Milf?

Yes, sorry, I got distracted.

>>I used to have a vertical one, and the hole would go
>>up one quarter of the (small) loaf or so.
>
> So what, it makes little difference when the round slices are cut in
> half, and that little paddle only protrudes into the loaf 3/4" at
> most... and with those types of ABMs you can remove the paddle right
> after the last knead, then there's just a small pock mark in the
> crust, all gone with the first slice, here it's the last slice.

I remember from my machine, 15 years ago, that it made small loaves
with a big hole in them. And it was picky. A bit too little liquid or a
bit too much and the bread didn't come out right. Hand kneading is much
more tolerant because we're smarter than these machines.

--
Bruce

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On 21/1/2016 06:24 Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 07:00:16 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 20/1/2016 17:34 JeÃYus wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:50:16 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 01:27:30 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>but don't you hate the paddle hole in the bread?
>>>>>
>>>>>No, not on the one I'm using at least. Put it this way - I didn't seem
>>>>>to notice it a great deal on the couple of loaves I have done so far.
>>>>>I think I just cut off that part, <shrug> no biggie for me. The chooks
>>>>>can have that.
>>>>>
>>>>>The third loaf is nearly ready, I'll pay closer attention to the
>>>>>paddle hole when it comes out this time.
>>>>
>>>> Meh... it's just a 1" hole in the middle of the last 1-2" of the loaf.
>>>> I can live with that
>>>
>>>I've been thinking of getting one again, just to do the kneading. I
>>>don't like the sticky, messy part.
>>
>> Why not let it bake, the kneading and rising cycles use the most
>> time, baking is only another 40 minutes or so... and since it can only
>> knead dough enough for one loaf at a time I don't see your point.
>
> The bread it makes is better than supermarket foam, but the bread I make
> by hand is the best. If the machine kneads and I do the rest, I might
> get the best of both worlds.

I do and if I am unwell or have to be out, I can let the machine do the
whole dang thang!! ;-) We usually prefer the rolls but we can live with the
occasional loaf if needs be


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 21/1/2016 01:57 jmcquown wrote:

> On 1/20/2016 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>
>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>
>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>
> (snippage)
>
> I was kind of wondering about that myself. I've only been camping a few
> times but it was rough camping. As in, dig a latrine. Sure, we had a
> cooler to keep the food in. But no electricity. His sounds more like
> an RV "campground" with electrical hookups.

What about a generator?

--
Bruce

On 21/1/2016 07:28 Ophelia wrote:

>
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 21/1/2016 06:24 Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 07:00:16 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 20/1/2016 17:34 JeÃYus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Meh... it's just a 1" hole in the middle of the last 1-2" of the loaf.
>>>>> I can live with that
>>>>
>>>>I've been thinking of getting one again, just to do the kneading. I
>>>>don't like the sticky, messy part.
>>>
>>> Why not let it bake, the kneading and rising cycles use the most
>>> time, baking is only another 40 minutes or so... and since it can only
>>> knead dough enough for one loaf at a time I don't see your point.
>>
>> The bread it makes is better than supermarket foam, but the bread I make
>> by hand is the best. If the machine kneads and I do the rest, I might
>> get the best of both worlds.
>
> I do and if I am unwell or have to be out, I can let the machine do the
> whole dang thang!! ;-) We usually prefer the rolls but we can live with the
> occasional loaf if needs be

Do you also let the machine handle the first rise or just the knead?

--
Bruce

On 1/20/2016 3:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On 21/1/2016 01:57 jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 1/20/2016 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>>
>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>>
>> (snippage)
>>
>> I was kind of wondering about that myself. I've only been camping a few
>> times but it was rough camping. As in, dig a latrine. Sure, we had a
>> cooler to keep the food in. But no electricity. His sounds more like
>> an RV "campground" with electrical hookups.
>
> What about a generator?
>
That's not camping, IMHO. Might as well stay at home.

Jill

On 21/1/2016 07:53 jmcquown wrote:

> On 1/20/2016 3:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On 21/1/2016 01:57 jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/20/2016 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>>>
>>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>>>
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> I was kind of wondering about that myself. I've only been camping a few
>>> times but it was rough camping. As in, dig a latrine. Sure, we had a
>>> cooler to keep the food in. But no electricity. His sounds more like
>>> an RV "campground" with electrical hookups.
>>
>> What about a generator?
>>
> That's not camping, IMHO. Might as well stay at home.

You're still out in nature, surrounded by lethal animals, with no
sanitary facilities and exposed to the elements.

--
Bruce

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On 21/1/2016 07:28 Ophelia wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 21/1/2016 06:24 Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 07:00:16 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 20/1/2016 17:34 JeÃYus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Meh... it's just a 1" hole in the middle of the last 1-2" of the
>>>>>> loaf.
>>>>>> I can live with that
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been thinking of getting one again, just to do the kneading. I
>>>>>don't like the sticky, messy part.
>>>>
>>>> Why not let it bake, the kneading and rising cycles use the most
>>>> time, baking is only another 40 minutes or so... and since it can only
>>>> knead dough enough for one loaf at a time I don't see your point.
>>>
>>> The bread it makes is better than supermarket foam, but the bread I make
>>> by hand is the best. If the machine kneads and I do the rest, I might
>>> get the best of both worlds.
>>
>> I do and if I am unwell or have to be out, I can let the machine do the
>> whole dang thang!! ;-) We usually prefer the rolls but we can live with
>> the
>> occasional loaf if needs be
>
> Do you also let the machine handle the first rise or just the knead?

First rise!


--
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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On 21/1/2016 06:05 Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:05:54 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 20/1/2016 12:50 cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/1/2016 10:43 Je�us wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:09:04 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > One of my neighbors makes bread everyday with his inexpensive
>>>>> > > bread-machine. The bread is so good that I have just ordered one
>>>>> > > for myself. Do many of you RFCers use these machines or has the
>>>>> > > interest in them waned? Just curious.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I almost started this very same thread myself.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we
>>>>> > had nice, fresh bread each morning. For some reason I've always been
>>>>> > highly sceptical of bread makers, preferring to do it by hand.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Last week I borrowed an old, well used (noisy!) bread maker to try
>>>>> > for myself, still being a little resistant to the idea. Well, I'm
>>>>> > not a skeptic any more, and sometime soon I'll be buying my own.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have the bread maker running right now as I type this.
>>>>> > The time and trouble it saves is well worth it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's always better than supermarket bread, but don't you hate
>>>>> the paddle hole in the bread? Or do you remove the paddle after the
>>>>> kneading phase?
>>>>
>>>> I do it in dough mode most of the time and form to small buns or
>>>> loaves.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, the hole is not a problem. Thats where you'd center slice the
>>>> bread anyways.
>>>
>>>You must have a BBM that makes horizontal loaves.
>>
>> What's a "BBM"... a Big Beautiful Milf?
>
> Yes, sorry, I got distracted.
>
>>>I used to have a vertical one, and the hole would go
>>>up one quarter of the (small) loaf or so.
>>
>> So what, it makes little difference when the round slices are cut in
>> half, and that little paddle only protrudes into the loaf 3/4" at
>> most... and with those types of ABMs you can remove the paddle right
>> after the last knead, then there's just a small pock mark in the
>> crust, all gone with the first slice, here it's the last slice.
>
> I remember from my machine, 15 years ago, that it made small loaves
> with a big hole in them. And it was picky. A bit too little liquid or a
> bit too much and the bread didn't come out right. Hand kneading is much
> more tolerant because we're smarter than these machines.

I think you might be surprised with the new ones. I have a Panasonic which
is superb so you might like to give that a try


--
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On 21/1/2016 08:21 Ophelia wrote:

>
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 21/1/2016 06:05 Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:05:54 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 20/1/2016 12:50 cshenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/1/2016 10:43 Je�us wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:09:04 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > One of my neighbors makes bread everyday with his inexpensive
>>>>>> > > bread-machine. The bread is so good that I have just ordered one
>>>>>> > > for myself. Do many of you RFCers use these machines or has the
>>>>>> > > interest in them waned? Just curious.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I almost started this very same thread myself.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we
>>>>>> > had nice, fresh bread each morning. For some reason I've always been
>>>>>> > highly sceptical of bread makers, preferring to do it by hand.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Last week I borrowed an old, well used (noisy!) bread maker to try
>>>>>> > for myself, still being a little resistant to the idea. Well, I'm
>>>>>> > not a skeptic any more, and sometime soon I'll be buying my own.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I have the bread maker running right now as I type this.
>>>>>> > The time and trouble it saves is well worth it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's always better than supermarket bread, but don't you hate
>>>>>> the paddle hole in the bread? Or do you remove the paddle after the
>>>>>> kneading phase?
>>>>>
>>>>> I do it in dough mode most of the time and form to small buns or
>>>>> loaves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, the hole is not a problem. Thats where you'd center slice the
>>>>> bread anyways.
>>>>
>>>>You must have a BBM that makes horizontal loaves.
>>>
>>> What's a "BBM"... a Big Beautiful Milf?
>>
>> Yes, sorry, I got distracted.
>>
>>>>I used to have a vertical one, and the hole would go
>>>>up one quarter of the (small) loaf or so.
>>>
>>> So what, it makes little difference when the round slices are cut in
>>> half, and that little paddle only protrudes into the loaf 3/4" at
>>> most... and with those types of ABMs you can remove the paddle right
>>> after the last knead, then there's just a small pock mark in the
>>> crust, all gone with the first slice, here it's the last slice.
>>
>> I remember from my machine, 15 years ago, that it made small loaves
>> with a big hole in them. And it was picky. A bit too little liquid or a
>> bit too much and the bread didn't come out right. Hand kneading is much
>> more tolerant because we're smarter than these machines.
>
> I think you might be surprised with the new ones. I have a Panasonic which
> is superb so you might like to give that a try

I've always heard good things about their bbms.

--
Bruce

On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/20/2016 11:56 AM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:45:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>>>
>>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>>
>>> It can involve fires of course, did I use the wrong term?
>>>
>>> My friends 'camp' down the coast from here about six months of each
>>> year. They are certainly *not* roughing it though. A full size caravan
>>> (or trailer) with annexe which has a decent kitchen, solar
>>> power/generator, even growing some vegetables on site. Internet
>>> access, not one but two boats, a trailer for firewood and water, two
>>> 4x4's too I have my camper trailer set up down there next to their
>>> setup and come and go when I can.
>>>
>> (snippage)
>>
>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer.
>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the
>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke.
>>
>> Jill
>
> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes.
>
Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping".

Jill

On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote:

> On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/20/2016 11:56 AM, Je?us wrote:

>>>> It can involve fires of course, did I use the wrong term?
>>>>
>>>> My friends 'camp' down the coast from here about six months of each
>>>> year. They are certainly *not* roughing it though. A full size caravan
>>>> (or trailer) with annexe which has a decent kitchen, solar
>>>> power/generator, even growing some vegetables on site. Internet
>>>> access, not one but two boats, a trailer for firewood and water, two
>>>> 4x4's too I have my camper trailer set up down there next to their
>>>> setup and come and go when I can.
>>>>
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer.
>>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the
>>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes.
>>
> Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping".

I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this
realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???"

--
Bruce

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/20/2016 11:56 AM, Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:45:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>>>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>>>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>>>
>>>> It can involve fires of course, did I use the wrong term?
>>>>
>>>> My friends 'camp' down the coast from here about six months of each
>>>> year. They are certainly *not* roughing it though. A full size caravan
>>>> (or trailer) with annexe which has a decent kitchen, solar
>>>> power/generator, even growing some vegetables on site. Internet
>>>> access, not one but two boats, a trailer for firewood and water, two
>>>> 4x4's too I have my camper trailer set up down there next to their
>>>> setup and come and go when I can.
>>>>
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer.
>>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the
>>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes.
>>
> Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping".
>
> Jill

Different strokes.

Cheri

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...

> I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this
> realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???"
>
> --
> Bruce

LOL

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:45:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>> >
>> > When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>> > nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>
>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>
>> Not for everyone, but I prefer "wilderness camping." What you use is
>> what you carry on your back for miles into a wilderness area. Also a
>> fun challenge is to carry very little food and try your best to live
>> off the land and suppliment the small amount of food that you carry
>> in.
>
> I hear you. RV camping is not camping to me either.
>
> --
>
> sf

It's the only kind of camping to me.

Cheri

On 1/20/2016 5:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/20/2016 11:56 AM, Je?us wrote:
>
>>>>> It can involve fires of course, did I use the wrong term?
>>>>>
>>>>> My friends 'camp' down the coast from here about six months of each
>>>>> year. They are certainly *not* roughing it though. A full size caravan
>>>>> (or trailer) with annexe which has a decent kitchen, solar
>>>>> power/generator, even growing some vegetables on site. Internet
>>>>> access, not one but two boats, a trailer for firewood and water, two
>>>>> 4x4's too I have my camper trailer set up down there next to their
>>>>> setup and come and go when I can.
>>>>>
>>>> (snippage)
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer.
>>>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the
>>>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes.
>>>
>> Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping".
>
> I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this
> realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???"
>
I wouldn't expect you to drive around and think about me at all.

Jill

On 21/1/2016 12:23 jmcquown wrote:

> On 1/20/2016 5:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/20/2016 11:56 AM, Je?us wrote:
>>
>>>>>> It can involve fires of course, did I use the wrong term?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My friends 'camp' down the coast from here about six months of each
>>>>>> year. They are certainly *not* roughing it though. A full size caravan
>>>>>> (or trailer) with annexe which has a decent kitchen, solar
>>>>>> power/generator, even growing some vegetables on site. Internet
>>>>>> access, not one but two boats, a trailer for firewood and water, two
>>>>>> 4x4's too I have my camper trailer set up down there next to their
>>>>>> setup and come and go when I can.
>>>>>>
>>>>> (snippage)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer.
>>>>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the
>>>>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes.
>>>>
>>> Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping".
>>
>> I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this
>> realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???"
>>
> I wouldn't expect you to drive around and think about me at all.

LOL

--
Bruce

Xeno > wrote in
:

>
>>
> I thought the Breville paddles folded down precisely so they wouldn't
> leave too large a hole in the loaf.
>

Honestly, I'm not sure what the purpose of the folding paddle is. Every
recipe I use from the Breville book says to put it upright, and I just
leave it upright for any other recipes than Breville's...

On 21/01/2016 6:51 PM, Alan Holbrook wrote:
> Xeno > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>>>
>> I thought the Breville paddles folded down precisely so they wouldn't
>> leave too large a hole in the loaf.
>>
>
> Honestly, I'm not sure what the purpose of the folding paddle is. Every
> recipe I use from the Breville book says to put it upright, and I just
> leave it upright for any other recipes than Breville's...
>
You put it upright when you start. The 'normal' direction of rotation of
the motor keeps the paddle upright and, at the finish of folding, the
motor reverses causing the paddle to 'collapse' flat where it remains
for the baking process. This will leave only a small hole in the end of
the loaf. I haven't used mine for years but it does have that feature
and, IIRC, it used to work most of the time.

The reason I stopped using it was because I couldn't get any degree of
consistency in my loaves. I found it cheaper to buy loaves at the bakery
and they were double the size. The loaves produced by the BBM were quite
small.

--

Xeno

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:45:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>> >
>>> > When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>>> > nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>>
>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>>
>>> Not for everyone, but I prefer "wilderness camping." What you use is
>>> what you carry on your back for miles into a wilderness area. Also a
>>> fun challenge is to carry very little food and try your best to live
>>> off the land and suppliment the small amount of food that you carry
>>> in.
>>
>> I hear you. RV camping is not camping to me either.
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> It's the only kind of camping to me.

Me too)) Let them rough it but I am happy to have all my home comforts
in a place we love)


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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/20/2016 11:56 AM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:45:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>>>>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>>>>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>>>>
>>>>> It can involve fires of course, did I use the wrong term?
>>>>>
>>>>> My friends 'camp' down the coast from here about six months of each
>>>>> year. They are certainly *not* roughing it though. A full size caravan
>>>>> (or trailer) with annexe which has a decent kitchen, solar
>>>>> power/generator, even growing some vegetables on site. Internet
>>>>> access, not one but two boats, a trailer for firewood and water, two
>>>>> 4x4's too I have my camper trailer set up down there next to their
>>>>> setup and come and go when I can.
>>>>>
>>>> (snippage)
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer.
>>>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the
>>>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes.
>>>
>> Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping".
>>
>> Jill
>
> Different strokes.

Who cares? We do what we like the best and don't waste a second caring
what anyone else thinks))

LOL the very idea!!!


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In article >,
"Cheri" > wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:45:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jeßus" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
> >> > nice, fresh bread each morning.
> >>
> >> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
> >> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
> >> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
> >>
> >> Not for everyone, but I prefer "wilderness camping." What you use is
> >> what you carry on your back for miles into a wilderness area. Also a
> >> fun challenge is to carry very little food and try your best to live
> >> off the land and suppliment the small amount of food that you carry
> >> in.
> >
> > I hear you. RV camping is not camping to me either.
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> It's the only kind of camping to me.
>
> Cheri

Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
before retirement.

"Mark Storkamp" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Cheri" > wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:45:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jeßus" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we
>> >> > had
>> >> > nice, fresh bread each morning.
>> >>
>> >> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>> >> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>> >> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>> >>
>> >> Not for everyone, but I prefer "wilderness camping." What you use is
>> >> what you carry on your back for miles into a wilderness area. Also a
>> >> fun challenge is to carry very little food and try your best to live
>> >> off the land and suppliment the small amount of food that you carry
>> >> in.
>> >
>> > I hear you. RV camping is not camping to me either.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > sf
>>
>> It's the only kind of camping to me.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
> before retirement.

Sounds good to me

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On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:15:04 -0600, Mark Storkamp
> wrote:

>In article >,
> "Cheri" > wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:45:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jeßus" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>> >> > nice, fresh bread each morning.
>> >>
>> >> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>> >> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>> >> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>> >>
>> >> Not for everyone, but I prefer "wilderness camping." What you use is
>> >> what you carry on your back for miles into a wilderness area. Also a
>> >> fun challenge is to carry very little food and try your best to live
>> >> off the land and suppliment the small amount of food that you carry
>> >> in.
>> >
>> > I hear you. RV camping is not camping to me either.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > sf
>>
>> It's the only kind of camping to me.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
>restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
>my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
>when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
>before retirement.

Back in the day when my offspring were young, we all loved camping.
Took twelve weeks the summer of 1968 and travelled from Halifax to
Vancouver, then down through the US past Yellowstone.

Camped in Yellowstone there was an RV opposite us. When the bears were
there in the middle of the night raiding the garbage cans, clever dick
from RV steps out, takes a flash pic and jumps back in his RV. Chaos
reigned as the bear crashed through out tents, he was lucky (the RVer)
he wasn't lynched.

Not being stuck in an RV we met many interesting people and usually
after supper there would be quite a gathering of kids and parents.
Terrible of course, parents drinking, kids roaming round, OMG it's
amazing how strangers didn't grab them!

Mark Storkamp wrote:
>
> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
> before retirement.

RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that
camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the
silliest thing I've ever heard of.

Mark Storkamp wrote:
>
> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
> before retirement.

I've done plenty of wilderness camping when I was a lot younger, even
spent weeks at a time portaging a canoe... nowadays my idea of
roughing it is hiking between Super 8s in a Landcruiser. The only
thing remaining from my camping days is my Silva Huntsman compass.
http://store.silvacompass.com/sighting-huntsman-423

On 1/21/2016 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
> Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>
>> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
>> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
>> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
>> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
>> before retirement.
>
> RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that
> camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the
> silliest thing I've ever heard of.
>
I don't actually care what they call it. It was merely the thought of
using a bread machine while "camping" that caught my eye.

There's a RV park not far from where I live. Electrical hookups and all
that. If that's what people want to do I certainly have no problem with
it. It's merely a difference in definition.

I like the looks of the old Gulfstream trailers... I'm talking the
silver rounded ones that were numbered and were pulled. They're
classic! I wouldn't want to live in one but occasionally I see a couple
of those pulling out of the "RV Park".

Jill

In article >,
lid says...
>
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:03:44 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> >On 1/20/2016 11:58 AM, Je?us wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:57:45 -0500, jmcquown >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 1/20/2016 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
> >>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
> >>>>
> >>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
> >>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
> >>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
> >>>>
> >>> (snippage)
> >>>
> >>> I was kind of wondering about that myself. I've only been camping a few
> >>> times but it was rough camping. As in, dig a latrine. Sure, we had a
> >>> cooler to keep the food in. But no electricity. His sounds more like
> >>> an RV "campground" with electrical hookups.
> >>
> >> They are in a designated "campground" area, there's no power or other
> >> facilities there.
> >>
> >Then how did she plug in the bread machine? I'm confused.
>
> Sorry, I explained that in another reply. They have some solar panels,
> batteries/inverter and a generator.

LOL, really roughing it then.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> Mark Storkamp wrote:
> >
> > Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
> > restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
> > my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
> > when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
> > before retirement.
>
> RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that
> camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the
> silliest thing I've ever heard of.

I agree with Gary (now I shall have to go for a lie down until I
recover)

Janet UK

On 2016-01-21, Janet > wrote:

> I agree with Gary (now I shall have to go for a lie down until I
> recover)

ROFL!.....

On 1/21/2016 9:15 AM, Mark Storkamp wrote:

> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
> before retirement.
>

Works for me. If I wanted to drive a bus around I'd have done it for a
career.

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 17:55:37 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:03:44 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 1/20/2016 11:58 AM, Je?us wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:57:45 -0500, jmcquown >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 1/20/2016 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>> >>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>> >>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>> >>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>> >>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>> >>>>
>> >>> (snippage)
>> >>>
>> >>> I was kind of wondering about that myself. I've only been camping a few
>> >>> times but it was rough camping. As in, dig a latrine. Sure, we had a
>> >>> cooler to keep the food in. But no electricity. His sounds more like
>> >>> an RV "campground" with electrical hookups.
>> >>
>> >> They are in a designated "campground" area, there's no power or other
>> >> facilities there.
>> >>
>> >Then how did she plug in the bread machine? I'm confused.
>>
>> Sorry, I explained that in another reply. They have some solar panels,
>> batteries/inverter and a generator.
>
> LOL, really roughing it then.

Yes, I don't know how they can handle it

On 2016-01-21 11:41 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>> RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that
>> camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the
>> silliest thing I've ever heard of.
>>
> I don't actually care what they call it. It was merely the thought of
> using a bread machine while "camping" that caught my eye.

I agree. If there is electricity it isn't camping.
>
> There's a RV park not far from where I live. Electrical hookups and all
> that. If that's what people want to do I certainly have no problem with
> it. It's merely a difference in definition.

We have a couple of those in the area. In fact, one of our neighbours
goes to one of them for their annual vacation. I thought they were
kidding. The RV park is less than 4 miles from their house. We are not
close friends.

>
> I like the looks of the old Gulfstream trailers... I'm talking the
> silver rounded ones that were numbered and were pulled. They're
> classic! I wouldn't want to live in one but occasionally I see a couple
> of those pulling out of the "RV Park".
>
> Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 1/21/2016 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>>
>>> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
>>> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
>>> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
>>> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they
>>> are
>>> before retirement.
>>
>> RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that
>> camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the
>> silliest thing I've ever heard of.
>>
> I don't actually care what they call it. It was merely the thought of
> using a bread machine while "camping" that caught my eye.
>
> There's a RV park not far from where I live. Electrical hookups and
> all that. If that's what people want to do I certainly have no
> problem with it. It's merely a difference in definition.
>
> I like the looks of the old Gulfstream trailers... I'm talking the
> silver rounded ones that were numbered and were pulled. They're
> classic! I wouldn't want to live in one but occasionally I see a
> couple of those pulling out of the "RV Park".
>
> Jill
>

Airstream?

On 22/1/2016 10:25 Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2016-01-21 11:41 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that
>>> camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the
>>> silliest thing I've ever heard of.
>>>
>> I don't actually care what they call it. It was merely the thought of
>> using a bread machine while "camping" that caught my eye.
>
> I agree. If there is electricity it isn't camping.
>>
>> There's a RV park not far from where I live. Electrical hookups and all
>> that. If that's what people want to do I certainly have no problem with
>> it. It's merely a difference in definition.
>
> We have a couple of those in the area. In fact, one of our neighbours
> goes to one of them for their annual vacation. I thought they were
> kidding. The RV park is less than 4 miles from their house. We are not
> close friends.

Of couse not. The horror!

--
Bruce

On 1/21/2016 2:41 PM, Alex wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> On 1/21/2016 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
>>>> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
>>>> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
>>>> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they
>>>> are
>>>> before retirement.
>>>
>>> RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that
>>> camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the
>>> silliest thing I've ever heard of.
>>>
>> I don't actually care what they call it. It was merely the thought of
>> using a bread machine while "camping" that caught my eye.
>>
>> There's a RV park not far from where I live. Electrical hookups and
>> all that. If that's what people want to do I certainly have no
>> problem with it. It's merely a difference in definition.
>>
>> I like the looks of the old Gulfstream trailers... I'm talking the
>> silver rounded ones that were numbered and were pulled. They're
>> classic! I wouldn't want to live in one but occasionally I see a
>> couple of those pulling out of the "RV Park".
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> Airstream?

You got that right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_nl1ktLAoM

On 1/20/2016 3:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On 21/1/2016 07:53 jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 1/20/2016 3:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On 21/1/2016 01:57 jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/20/2016 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>>>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>>>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>>>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>>>>
>>>> (snippage)
>>>>
>>>> I was kind of wondering about that myself. I've only been camping a few
>>>> times but it was rough camping. As in, dig a latrine. Sure, we had a
>>>> cooler to keep the food in. But no electricity. His sounds more like
>>>> an RV "campground" with electrical hookups.
>>>
>>> What about a generator?
>>>
>> That's not camping, IMHO. Might as well stay at home.
>
> You're still out in nature, surrounded by lethal animals, with no
> sanitary facilities and exposed to the elements.
>
The most lethal animal I encountered was a raccoon sniffing around the
tent in the middle of the night.

He later explained these friends have solar panels and an generator. If
they were using a bread machine they likely had a toilet and a comfy
bed, too.

Jill

On 22/1/2016 13:01 jmcquown wrote:

> On 1/20/2016 3:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On 21/1/2016 07:53 jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/20/2016 3:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On 21/1/2016 01:57 jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/20/2016 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>>>>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>>>>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>>>>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>>>>>
>>>>> (snippage)
>>>>>
>>>>> I was kind of wondering about that myself. I've only been camping a few
>>>>> times but it was rough camping. As in, dig a latrine. Sure, we had a
>>>>> cooler to keep the food in. But no electricity. His sounds more like
>>>>> an RV "campground" with electrical hookups.
>>>>
>>>> What about a generator?
>>>>
>>> That's not camping, IMHO. Might as well stay at home.
>>
>> You're still out in nature, surrounded by lethal animals, with no
>> sanitary facilities and exposed to the elements.
>>
> The most lethal animal I encountered was a raccoon sniffing around the
> tent in the middle of the night.
>
> He later explained these friends have solar panels and an generator. If
> they were using a bread machine they likely had a toilet and a comfy
> bed, too.

Yes, probably It also doesn't sound like they spent their nights
on thin rubber mats in leaky little tents. I stopped doing that in my
late 20s.

--
Bruce

"Mark Storkamp" > wrote in message
news:mstorkamp-77393E.08150421012016@88-

> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
> before retirement.

We did a lot of outdoor camping when I was a kid too, told myself when I
grow up, no more.

Cheri