On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 05:53:59 -0800 (PST), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:22:17 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> > On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 1/20/2016 11:56 AM, Je?us wrote:
>>
>> >>>> It can involve fires of course, did I use the wrong term?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My friends 'camp' down the coast from here about six months of each
>> >>>> year. They are certainly *not* roughing it though. A full size caravan
>> >>>> (or trailer) with annexe which has a decent kitchen, solar
>> >>>> power/generator, even growing some vegetables on site. Internet
>> >>>> access, not one but two boats, a trailer for firewood and water, two
>> >>>> 4x4's too I have my camper trailer set up down there next to their
>> >>>> setup and come and go when I can.
>> >>>>
>> >>> (snippage)
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer.
>> >>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the
>> >>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jill
>> >>
>> >> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes.
>> >>
>> > Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping".
>>
>> I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this
>> realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???"
>>
>It's a semantics thing. It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for
>sleeping in a trailer.

Even sleeping in a pup tent isn't real camping... real camping
involves digging and living in a foxhole.

On 1/22/2016 12:54 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> real camping
> involves digging and living in a foxhole.

Mmm hmmm.... you and your butt buddy stuff!

On 1/22/2016 12:46 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> flashlights have gone camping for over 100 years.

Helps you to find the pink starfish?

On 1/22/2016 12:27 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> The libation warded off the cold and
>>>> made the ground comfy. )
>>>
>>> Ahhh yes, in my youth ... but not now Do you both do that these days?
>>
>> No, not for about 10 years because of health issues.
>
> Of course!

Freezing drunk to the ground in a puddle of booze vomit will do that to
ya...

On 23/1/2016 06:54 Brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 05:53:59 -0800 (PST), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:22:17 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>> On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> (snippage)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer.
>>> >>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the
>>> >>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jill
>>> >>
>>> >> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes.
>>> >>
>>> > Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping".
>>>
>>> I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this
>>> realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???"
>>>
>>It's a semantics thing. It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for
>>sleeping in a trailer.
>
> Even sleeping in a pup tent isn't real camping... real camping
> involves digging and living in a foxhole.

Digging with bare heads I hope.

--
Bruce

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:49:21 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:34:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>"Janet B" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:51:16 -0400, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> snip
> >>>>
> >>>>Have you never had a drink socially without getting drunk? I do so
> >>>>regularly, I enjoy a drink with friends, always have but we certainly
> >>>>were not drunk. As I said, I enjoyed the side of camping that allowed
> >>>>us to meet people/kids we would likely never otherwise have met. It
> >>>>was a small part of the fun of camping. As was often lying under the
> >>>>stars in a sleeping bag as opposed to going in the tent.
> >>>>
> >>> snip
> >>> Good times. After dark we would rummage in the ice chest and pull out
> >>> some ice to dump in our dark-blue, white speckled tin cups and then
> >>> pour in a decent amount of whiskey called "Yellowstone" that we picked
> >>> up at the park store. Then we'd sit there and stare into the campfire
> >>> and drowsily talk now and then. The libation warded off the cold and
> >>> made the ground comfy. )
> >>
> >>Ahhh yes, in my youth ... but not now Do you both do that these days?
> >
> > I don't and even my kids have given up now but there are camping
> > grandchildren still.
>
> Yep, a activity for the young. Us old 'uns need much more protection and
> comfort.
>
You'll get plenty of that when you're six feet under. A little bit of roughin' it won't hurt you although a rouge bear at night might when your tenting.
Tenting is for young people. I have tented in Banff National Park and in Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at my age.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:46:52 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On 22 Jan 2016 12:20:00 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2016-01-21, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>
>>> I agree. If there is electricity it isn't camping.
>>
>>What nonsense.
>>
>>I'll bet not a single person in this group would set 3 ft outta their
>>house w/o their cellphone.
>
>Even the most rugged camping required that kind of elecricity,
>flashlights have gone camping for over 100 years.

we used the Coleman lantern.
Janet US

On 23/1/2016 07:32 Roy wrote:

> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:49:21 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:34:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Janet B" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> >>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:51:16 -0400, wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> snip
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Have you never had a drink socially without getting drunk? I do so
>> >>>>regularly, I enjoy a drink with friends, always have but we certainly
>> >>>>were not drunk. As I said, I enjoyed the side of camping that allowed
>> >>>>us to meet people/kids we would likely never otherwise have met. It
>> >>>>was a small part of the fun of camping. As was often lying under the
>> >>>>stars in a sleeping bag as opposed to going in the tent.
>> >>>>
>> >>> snip
>> >>> Good times. After dark we would rummage in the ice chest and pull out
>> >>> some ice to dump in our dark-blue, white speckled tin cups and then
>> >>> pour in a decent amount of whiskey called "Yellowstone" that we picked
>> >>> up at the park store. Then we'd sit there and stare into the campfire
>> >>> and drowsily talk now and then. The libation warded off the cold and
>> >>> made the ground comfy. )
>> >>
>> >>Ahhh yes, in my youth ... but not now Do you both do that these days?
>> >
>> > I don't and even my kids have given up now but there are camping
>> > grandchildren still.
>>
>> Yep, a activity for the young. Us old 'uns need much more protection and
>> comfort.
>>
> You'll get plenty of that when you're six feet under. A little bit of roughin' it won't hurt you although a rouge bear at night might when your tenting.
> Tenting is for young people. I have tented in Banff National Park and in Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at my age.

I think you could outrun a rouge bear. They're sissies, with all their
make-up.

--
Bruce

Roy wrote:
> I have tented in Banff National Park and in Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at my age.

Dude, you couldn't outrun a bear at ANY age, stop kidding yourself!

Janet B wrote:
>> Even the most rugged camping required that kind of elecricity,
>> >flashlights have gone camping for over 100 years.
> we used the Coleman lantern.
> Janet US

To locate the booze???

On 2016-01-22 11:48 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>>> lucretia, you're the one who wrote "parents drinking, kids roaming
>>> round". Cheri was responding to that. She did not say *you* were
>>> drunk.
>>
>> Lucretia didn't say *anybody * was drunk.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> Okay, "parents drinking" was inferred.
>

Definitely. It is one thing to say someone had a drink. That does imply
that it involves an alcoholic drink. To say that someone is drinking
suggests that there is more than one drink, likely more.

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:49:21 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:34:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Janet B" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> >>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:51:16 -0400, wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> snip
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Have you never had a drink socially without getting drunk? I do so
>> >>>>regularly, I enjoy a drink with friends, always have but we certainly
>> >>>>were not drunk. As I said, I enjoyed the side of camping that
>> >>>>allowed
>> >>>>us to meet people/kids we would likely never otherwise have met. It
>> >>>>was a small part of the fun of camping. As was often lying under
>> >>>>the
>> >>>>stars in a sleeping bag as opposed to going in the tent.
>> >>>>
>> >>> snip
>> >>> Good times. After dark we would rummage in the ice chest and pull
>> >>> out
>> >>> some ice to dump in our dark-blue, white speckled tin cups and then
>> >>> pour in a decent amount of whiskey called "Yellowstone" that we
>> >>> picked
>> >>> up at the park store. Then we'd sit there and stare into the
>> >>> campfire
>> >>> and drowsily talk now and then. The libation warded off the cold and
>> >>> made the ground comfy. )
>> >>
>> >>Ahhh yes, in my youth ... but not now Do you both do that these
>> >>days?
>> >
>> > I don't and even my kids have given up now but there are camping
>> > grandchildren still.
>>
>> Yep, a activity for the young. Us old 'uns need much more protection
>> and
>> comfort.
>>
> You'll get plenty of that when you're six feet under. A little bit of
> roughin' it won't hurt you although a rouge bear at night might when your
> tenting.
> Tenting is for young people. I have tented in Banff National Park and in
> Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at my
> age.

Oh we had a good time tenting for years and then later for many reasons we
got a big caravan/trailer. We love it



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On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:10:40 PM UTC-7, cibola de oro wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
> >> The libation warded off the cold and
> >> made the ground comfy. )
> >
> > Ahhh yes, in my youth ... but not now Do you both do that these days?
>
> A sot rarely changes their habits.

Now you're calling anyone who has a drink a sot. You miserable rotten troll....may you be condemned to eternal torture in HELL.
====

On 23/01/2016 2:12 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 1/22/2016 7:04 AM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 23:17:06 -0800, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Not being stuck in an RV we met many interesting people and usually
>>>> after supper there would be quite a gathering of kids and parents.
>>>> Terrible of course, parents drinking, kids roaming round, OMG it's
>>>> amazing how strangers didn't grab them!
>>>
>>> We met many interesting people too, and not being stuck outside with the
>>> roaming kids and drunks was an added plus.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> How judgemental, did I say we were drunk? AFAIK drunks stayed home,
>> went to bars and let their kids stay on their own.
>>
> lucretia, you're the one who wrote "parents drinking, kids roaming
> round". Cheri was responding to that. She did not say *you* were drunk.
>
> Jill

Guilt complexes, aren't they amazing? ;-)

--

Xeno

On 23/01/2016 2:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-01-21 9:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> You're still out in nature, surrounded by lethal animals, with no
>>> sanitary facilities and exposed to the elements.
>>>
>> The most lethal animal I encountered was a raccoon sniffing around the
>> tent in the middle of the night.
>
>
> I had a couple close encounters on a canoe trip. I had our food in a
> pack and tied to a rope strung over a branch so critters could not get
> at it. A racoon had managed to reach the bag and pull open the zipper
> and some of the food fell out for him. One morning I stepped out of
> the tent just after sunrise and there was a big steaming pile of moose
> crap.
>
>>
>> He later explained these friends have solar panels and an generator. If
>> they were using a bread machine they likely had a toilet and a comfy
>> bed, too.
>
> I gave up on camping years ago. I don't like sleeping on that hard
> ground anymore.
>
>
>
Amazing how one prefers the creature comforts as one ages.

I bought a tent some ten years back when I retired thinking I might do
some camping. It's been used a lot but, so far, never by me.

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Xeno

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:32:23 -0800 (PST), Roy >
wrote:

>On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:49:21 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:34:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Janet B" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> >>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:51:16 -0400, wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> snip
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Have you never had a drink socially without getting drunk? I do so
>> >>>>regularly, I enjoy a drink with friends, always have but we certainly
>> >>>>were not drunk. As I said, I enjoyed the side of camping that allowed
>> >>>>us to meet people/kids we would likely never otherwise have met. It
>> >>>>was a small part of the fun of camping. As was often lying under the
>> >>>>stars in a sleeping bag as opposed to going in the tent.
>> >>>>
>> >>> snip
>> >>> Good times. After dark we would rummage in the ice chest and pull out
>> >>> some ice to dump in our dark-blue, white speckled tin cups and then
>> >>> pour in a decent amount of whiskey called "Yellowstone" that we picked
>> >>> up at the park store. Then we'd sit there and stare into the campfire
>> >>> and drowsily talk now and then. The libation warded off the cold and
>> >>> made the ground comfy. )
>> >>
>> >>Ahhh yes, in my youth ... but not now Do you both do that these days?
>> >
>> > I don't and even my kids have given up now but there are camping
>> > grandchildren still.
>>
>> Yep, a activity for the young. Us old 'uns need much more protection and
>> comfort.
>>
>You'll get plenty of that when you're six feet under. A little bit of roughin' it won't hurt you although a rouge bear at night might when your tenting.
>Tenting is for young people. I have tented in Banff National Park and in Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at my age.

News Flash: You never could outrun the bears ;(
Janet US

On 23/01/2016 5:48 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:34:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:51:16 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you never had a drink socially without getting drunk? I do so
>>>>> regularly, I enjoy a drink with friends, always have but we certainly
>>>>> were not drunk. As I said, I enjoyed the side of camping that allowed
>>>>> us to meet people/kids we would likely never otherwise have met. It
>>>>> was a small part of the fun of camping. As was often lying under the
>>>>> stars in a sleeping bag as opposed to going in the tent.
>>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>> Good times. After dark we would rummage in the ice chest and pull out
>>>> some ice to dump in our dark-blue, white speckled tin cups and then
>>>> pour in a decent amount of whiskey called "Yellowstone" that we picked
>>>> up at the park store. Then we'd sit there and stare into the campfire
>>>> and drowsily talk now and then. The libation warded off the cold and
>>>> made the ground comfy. )
>>>
>>> Ahhh yes, in my youth ... but not now Do you both do that these days?
>>
>> I don't and even my kids have given up now but there are camping
>> grandchildren still.
>
> Yep, a activity for the young. Us old 'uns need much more protection
> and comfort.
>
>
>
I'll second that! ;-)

--

Xeno

On 1/22/2016 4:27 PM, Janet B wrote:

>>> Yep, a activity for the young. Us old 'uns need much more protection and
>>> comfort.
>>>
>> You'll get plenty of that when you're six feet under. A little bit of roughin' it won't hurt you although a rouge bear at night might when your tenting.
>> Tenting is for young people. I have tented in Banff National Park and in Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at my age.
>
> News Flash: You never could outrun the bears ;(
> Janet US
>

You just have to be able to outrun one other person.

Roy wrote:
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:10:40 PM UTC-7, cibola de oro wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>> The libation warded off the cold and
>>>> made the ground comfy. )
>>>
>>> Ahhh yes, in my youth ... but not now Do you both do that these days?
>>
>> A sot rarely changes their habits.
>
> Now you're calling anyone who has a drink a sot. You miserable rotten troll....may you be condemned to eternal torture in HELL.
> ====
>
>
>
I refuse to watch any Canadian TV!

On 23/1/2016 08:52 Ophelia wrote:

>
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/22/2016 4:27 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>
>>>>> Yep, a activity for the young. Us old 'uns need much more protection
>>>>> and
>>>>> comfort.
>>>>>
>>>> You'll get plenty of that when you're six feet under. A little bit of
>>>> roughin' it won't hurt you although a rouge bear at night might when
>>>> your tenting.
>>>> Tenting is for young people. I have tented in Banff National Park and in
>>>> Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at my
>>>> age.
>>>
>>> News Flash: You never could outrun the bears ;(
>>> Janet US
>>>
>>
>> You just have to be able to outrun one other person.
>
> lol that is true, unless of course the other person is your wife ... ;-)

Wasn't Ed referring to her?

--
Bruce

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/22/2016 4:27 PM, Janet B wrote:
>
>>>> Yep, a activity for the young. Us old 'uns need much more protection
>>>> and
>>>> comfort.
>>>>
>>> You'll get plenty of that when you're six feet under. A little bit of
>>> roughin' it won't hurt you although a rouge bear at night might when
>>> your tenting.
>>> Tenting is for young people. I have tented in Banff National Park and in
>>> Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at my
>>> age.
>>
>> News Flash: You never could outrun the bears ;(
>> Janet US
>>
>
> You just have to be able to outrun one other person.

lol that is true, unless of course the other person is your wife ... ;-)

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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On 23/1/2016 08:52 Ophelia wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 1/22/2016 4:27 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Yep, a activity for the young. Us old 'uns need much more
>>>>>> protection
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> comfort.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You'll get plenty of that when you're six feet under. A little bit of
>>>>> roughin' it won't hurt you although a rouge bear at night might when
>>>>> your tenting.
>>>>> Tenting is for young people. I have tented in Banff National Park and
>>>>> in
>>>>> Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at
>>>>> my
>>>>> age.
>>>>
>>>> News Flash: You never could outrun the bears ;(
>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>
>>> You just have to be able to outrun one other person.
>>
>> lol that is true, unless of course the other person is your wife ... ;-)
>
> Wasn't Ed referring to her?

Nahhh not a chance!


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On 23/1/2016 08:58 Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 1/22/2016 4:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On 23/1/2016 08:52 Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 1/22/2016 4:27 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, a activity for the young. Us old 'uns need much more protection
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> comfort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'll get plenty of that when you're six feet under. A little bit of
>>>>>> roughin' it won't hurt you although a rouge bear at night might when
>>>>>> your tenting.
>>>>>> Tenting is for young people. I have tented in Banff National Park and in
>>>>>> Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at my
>>>>>> age.
>>>>>
>>>>> News Flash: You never could outrun the bears ;(
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You just have to be able to outrun one other person.
>>>
>>> lol that is true, unless of course the other person is your wife ... ;-)
>>
>> Wasn't Ed referring to her?
>>
>
> I'm invoking the 5th Amendment

lol

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On 1/22/2016 4:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On 23/1/2016 08:52 Ophelia wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 1/22/2016 4:27 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Yep, a activity for the young. Us old 'uns need much more protection
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> comfort.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You'll get plenty of that when you're six feet under. A little bit of
>>>>> roughin' it won't hurt you although a rouge bear at night might when
>>>>> your tenting.
>>>>> Tenting is for young people. I have tented in Banff National Park and in
>>>>> Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at my
>>>>> age.
>>>>
>>>> News Flash: You never could outrun the bears ;(
>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>
>>> You just have to be able to outrun one other person.
>>
>> lol that is true, unless of course the other person is your wife ... ;-)
>
> Wasn't Ed referring to her?
>

I'm invoking the 5th Amendment

On 2016-01-22 4:27 PM, Janet B wrote:

>> You'll get plenty of that when you're six feet under. A little bit of roughin' it won't hurt you although a rouge bear at night might when your tenting.
>> Tenting is for young people. I have tented in Banff National Park and in Jasper as well but wouldn't anymore as I couldn't outrun the bears at my age.
>
> News Flash: You never could outrun the bears ;(
>


I don't have to outrun the bear. I only have to outrun the person I am
camping with.

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 20/1/2016 12:50 cshenk wrote:
>
> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On 20/1/2016 10:43 Je�us wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:09:04 -0800 (PST), Roy
> > >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > One of my neighbors makes bread everyday with his inexpensive
> >> > > bread-machine. The bread is so good that I have just ordered
> one >> > > for myself. Do many of you RFCers use these machines or
> has the >> > > interest in them waned? Just curious.
> >> >
> >> > I almost started this very same thread myself.
> >> >
> >> > When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and
> we >> > had nice, fresh bread each morning. For some reason I've
> always been >> > highly sceptical of bread makers, preferring to do
> it by hand. >> >
> >> > Last week I borrowed an old, well used (noisy!) bread maker to
> try >> > for myself, still being a little resistant to the idea.
> Well, I'm >> > not a skeptic any more, and sometime soon I'll be
> buying my own. >> >
> >> > I have the bread maker running right now as I type this.
> >> > The time and trouble it saves is well worth it.
> >>
> >> I think it's always better than supermarket bread, but don't you
> hate >> the paddle hole in the bread? Or do you remove the paddle
> after the >> kneading phase?
> >
> > I do it in dough mode most of the time and form to small buns or
> > loaves.
> >
> > Besides, the hole is not a problem. Thats where you'd center slice
> > the bread anyways.
>
> You must have a BBM that makes horizontal loaves. I used to have a
> vertical one, and the hole would go up one quarter of the (small) loaf
> or so.

No, it makes verticle loaves. The slices are large so one gets folded
in half to mak a sandwich. THe whole isnt a problem since it's where
you fold it. You will find a 1.5-2lb loaf set works better.

Best yet, dough mode and make little buns or loaves.

Carol


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On 23/1/2016 10:08 cshenk wrote:

> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 20/1/2016 12:50 cshenk wrote:
>>
>> > I do it in dough mode most of the time and form to small buns or
>> > loaves.
>> >
>> > Besides, the hole is not a problem. Thats where you'd center slice
>> > the bread anyways.
>>
>> You must have a BBM that makes horizontal loaves. I used to have a
>> vertical one, and the hole would go up one quarter of the (small) loaf
>> or so.
>
> No, it makes verticle loaves. The slices are large so one gets folded
> in half to mak a sandwich. THe whole isnt a problem since it's where
> you fold it. You will find a 1.5-2lb loaf set works better.
>
> Best yet, dough mode and make little buns or loaves.

Yes, that sounds very good.

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Bruce

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 08:05:01 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 11:21:19 AM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:12:00 -0700, Janet B >
>> wrote:
>...
>> Yes, generators can be annoying... very annoying if used in the wrong
>> places. In some places though they can be fine, for example on sites
>> with plenty of bush which can mask the noise and fumes and you can run
>> a long lead to your camper... mind you, modern generators are very
>> quiet and not particularly fumey. Generators have their place, but not
>> just in any old place.
>
>Gasoline powered generators are always noisy, stinky and undesirable when camping.

No, they don't have to be.

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 21:01:27 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 1/20/2016 3:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On 21/1/2016 07:53 jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/20/2016 3:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On 21/1/2016 01:57 jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/20/2016 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>>>>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>>>>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>>>>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>>>>>
>>>>> (snippage)
>>>>>
>>>>> I was kind of wondering about that myself. I've only been camping a few
>>>>> times but it was rough camping. As in, dig a latrine. Sure, we had a
>>>>> cooler to keep the food in. But no electricity. His sounds more like
>>>>> an RV "campground" with electrical hookups.
>>>>
>>>> What about a generator?
>>>>
>>> That's not camping, IMHO. Might as well stay at home.
>>
>> You're still out in nature, surrounded by lethal animals, with no
>> sanitary facilities and exposed to the elements.
>>
>The most lethal animal I encountered was a raccoon sniffing around the
>tent in the middle of the night.
>
>He later explained these friends have solar panels and an generator. If
>they were using a bread machine they likely had a toilet and a comfy
>bed, too.

They do indeed. Keep in mind they do this for six months of the year
in Tas then the next six months on the mainland during winter. I don't
think a pup tend and a backpack of supplies is going to cut it over
that length of time.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 03:05:50 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
wrote:

>On 22/1/2016 13:01 jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 1/20/2016 3:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On 21/1/2016 07:53 jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/20/2016 3:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On 21/1/2016 01:57 jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/20/2016 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>>>>>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>>>>>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>>>>>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> (snippage)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was kind of wondering about that myself. I've only been camping a few
>>>>>> times but it was rough camping. As in, dig a latrine. Sure, we had a
>>>>>> cooler to keep the food in. But no electricity. His sounds more like
>>>>>> an RV "campground" with electrical hookups.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about a generator?
>>>>>
>>>> That's not camping, IMHO. Might as well stay at home.
>>>
>>> You're still out in nature, surrounded by lethal animals, with no
>>> sanitary facilities and exposed to the elements.
>>>
>> The most lethal animal I encountered was a raccoon sniffing around the
>> tent in the middle of the night.
>>
>> He later explained these friends have solar panels and an generator. If
>> they were using a bread machine they likely had a toilet and a comfy
>> bed, too.
>
>Yes, probably It also doesn't sound like they spent their nights
>on thin rubber mats in leaky little tents. I stopped doing that in my
>late 20s.

That's okay for a week, but not all year round!

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 05:53:59 -0800 (PST), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:22:17 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> > On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 1/20/2016 11:56 AM, Je?us wrote:
>>
>> >>>> It can involve fires of course, did I use the wrong term?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My friends 'camp' down the coast from here about six months of each
>> >>>> year. They are certainly *not* roughing it though. A full size caravan
>> >>>> (or trailer) with annexe which has a decent kitchen, solar
>> >>>> power/generator, even growing some vegetables on site. Internet
>> >>>> access, not one but two boats, a trailer for firewood and water, two
>> >>>> 4x4's too I have my camper trailer set up down there next to their
>> >>>> setup and come and go when I can.
>> >>>>
>> >>> (snippage)
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer.
>> >>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the
>> >>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jill
>> >>
>> >> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes.
>> >>
>> > Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping".
>>
>> I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this
>> realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???"
>>
>It's a semantics thing. It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for
>sleeping in a trailer.

That's what it's called in Australia.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:46:38 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
wrote:

>On 23/1/2016 00:53 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:22:17 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>> On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer.
>>> >>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the
>>> >>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jill
>>> >>
>>> >> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes.
>>> >>
>>> > Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping".
>>>
>>> I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this
>>> realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???"
>>>
>> It's a semantics thing. It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for
>> sleeping in a trailer.
>
>Yes, you could say that camping has to be in a tent and has to involve
>mosquito bites and communal toilets.
>
>You could also say that camping is when you bring your own place to
>sleep with you, be it a tent, an RV or something in between.

Who in Australia refers to using an 'RV' as an 'RV'? Nobody. And
certainly not when using one... it comes under the umbrella of
'camping'

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:43:12 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>
>> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
>> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
>> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
>> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
>> before retirement.
>
>RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that
>camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the
>silliest thing I've ever heard of.

That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the
world refers to it as camping.

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:41:36 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 1/21/2016 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>>
>>> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
>>> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
>>> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
>>> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
>>> before retirement.
>>
>> RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that
>> camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the
>> silliest thing I've ever heard of.
>>
>I don't actually care what they call it. It was merely the thought of
>using a bread machine while "camping" that caught my eye.

Because they do it 12 months of the year.

>There's a RV park not far from where I live. Electrical hookups and all
>that. If that's what people want to do I certainly have no problem with
>it. It's merely a difference in definition.

Yep, a difference between countries.

>I like the looks of the old Gulfstream trailers... I'm talking the
>silver rounded ones that were numbered and were pulled. They're
>classic! I wouldn't want to live in one but occasionally I see a couple
>of those pulling out of the "RV Park".

I love the look of those old silver caravans (which is what they are
called outside the U.S). Trailers here are something else again.

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:25:55 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-01-21 11:41 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that
>>> camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the
>>> silliest thing I've ever heard of.
>>>
>> I don't actually care what they call it. It was merely the thought of
>> using a bread machine while "camping" that caught my eye.
>
>I agree. If there is electricity it isn't camping.

yes, it is.

On 23/1/2016 11:15 Jeßus wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 03:05:50 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On 22/1/2016 13:01 jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/20/2016 3:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On 21/1/2016 07:53 jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/20/2016 3:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/1/2016 01:57 jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/20/2016 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I went camping recently, a friend used her bread maker and we had
>>>>>>>>> nice, fresh bread each morning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What the hell kind of faux camping are you doing? RealCamping(tm)
>>>>>>>> does not include a power source to use a bread machine. Give me a
>>>>>>>> break. Real camping involves cooking on a wood fire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (snippage)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was kind of wondering about that myself. I've only been camping a few
>>>>>>> times but it was rough camping. As in, dig a latrine. Sure, we had a
>>>>>>> cooler to keep the food in. But no electricity. His sounds more like
>>>>>>> an RV "campground" with electrical hookups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about a generator?
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's not camping, IMHO. Might as well stay at home.
>>>>
>>>> You're still out in nature, surrounded by lethal animals, with no
>>>> sanitary facilities and exposed to the elements.
>>>>
>>> The most lethal animal I encountered was a raccoon sniffing around the
>>> tent in the middle of the night.
>>>
>>> He later explained these friends have solar panels and an generator. If
>>> they were using a bread machine they likely had a toilet and a comfy
>>> bed, too.
>>
>>Yes, probably It also doesn't sound like they spent their nights
>>on thin rubber mats in leaky little tents. I stopped doing that in my
>>late 20s.
>
> That's okay for a week, but not all year round!

No, certainly not.

--
Bruce

On 22 Jan 2016 12:20:00 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-01-21, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> I agree. If there is electricity it isn't camping.
>
>What nonsense.

Yep. It's weird to have such a narrow, specific idea of what camping
is or can be.

>I'll bet not a single person in this group would set 3 ft outta their
>house w/o their cellphone.

Well I do

No cell coverage here, and even if there was I still wouldn't carry
one unless I had a specific need for one at the time.

On 23/1/2016 11:18 Je�us wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:46:38 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On 23/1/2016 00:53 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:22:17 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer.
>>>> >>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the
>>>> >>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Jill
>>>> >>
>>>> >> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes.
>>>> >>
>>>> > Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping".
>>>>
>>>> I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this
>>>> realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???"
>>>>
>>> It's a semantics thing. It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for
>>> sleeping in a trailer.
>>
>>Yes, you could say that camping has to be in a tent and has to involve
>>mosquito bites and communal toilets.
>>
>>You could also say that camping is when you bring your own place to
>>sleep with you, be it a tent, an RV or something in between.
>
> Who in Australia refers to using an 'RV' as an 'RV'? Nobody. And
> certainly not when using one... it comes under the umbrella of
> 'camping'

I don't have one. I guess I just copied what the Americans call it here


--
Bruce

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 08:08:29 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>>
>> On 2016-01-21, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>
>> > I agree. If there is electricity it isn't camping.
>>
>> What nonsense.
>>
>> I'll bet not a single person in this group would set 3 ft outta their
>> house w/o their cellphone.
>
>You lose then, nb. When I go camping it's with no cellphone, not even
>a battery radio. I drive to some National Park, then hike in at least
>a few miles until I find a nice campsite near a stream. I set up a
>campsite, make it nice, then stay for 3-4 days with absolutely no
>electronics. Rather than hike long each day and set up a new
>campsite, I prefer to find a nice place to stay for a few days and do
>shorter day hikes.

That's your idea of camping. For where we live, we can do that any day
of the week. We *live* in that environment. So your romantic and
narrow concept of what camping is sounds stupid to anyone in Tasmania,
if not much of the rest of Australia.

In fact we had rainbow trout for breakfast from a nearby creek this
morning.

>
>And also when you leave, you completely eliminate the campsite area.
>My Boy Scout days taught me all that.

Wow, you must be some sort of extreme survivalist! <G>

On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:30:00 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:43:12 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>>
>>> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a
>>> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's
>>> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing
>>> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they are
>>> before retirement.
>>
>>RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that
>>camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the
>>silliest thing I've ever heard of.
>
>That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the
>world refers to it as camping.

I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping'