I can now say without a shadow of a doubt why a phone GPS is no good. We
just had to take a medical device back to another city that we aren't very
familiar with. We were led to believe that this facility was near the Winco
and we do know that area of the city pretty well. But as it turned, out, it
was nowhere near there. Because we thought we knew where we were going, I
didn't bring my GPS and I currently can't carry my normal purse anyway due
to the weight. Plus I am sick today. Did not even want to leave the house.
But I went as a passenger in case I was needed for some reason. Won't get
into all of that. But... Driver put the address into her phone GPS and
that immediately told us that this place was not where we thought it was.
Anyway...

Numerous times, her phone rang or a text came in, many of which were from
the person that we were doing this favor for. Grrr! And every time this
happened, the call or text took over the phone. I had to keep poking at the
phone to clear them to get back to the GPS. Now this may be phone specific.
I remember an incident with one of my old phones. Same annoying person kept
calling me. I had pulled over and tried to dial 911 because some crazy man
was riding a bike the wrong direction in the street and into traffic. The
phone wouldn't allow me to dial 911 until I had answered the incoming calls.

Anyway... This setup obviously isn't going to work if you are in the car
alone. You'd have to keep pulling over to take or dismiss the calls and
texts. At least in this state as it is illegal to touch your phone while
driving.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:40:12 -0800, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

>I can now say without a shadow of a doubt why a phone GPS is no good. We
>just had to take a medical device back to another city that we aren't very
>familiar with. We were led to believe that this facility was near the Winco
>and we do know that area of the city pretty well. But as it turned, out, it
>was nowhere near there.

GoogleEarth FIRST, then cell GPS while on the way.

BEST is a laptop with MS Streets & Trips or other good mapping program,
and a USB GPS device.

That gives you a map AND turn by turn directions, as well as actual
addresses and even business names, AND in a size that's much easier to
read.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>I can now say without a shadow of a doubt why a phone GPS is no good. We
>just had to take a medical device back to another city that we aren't very
>familiar with. We were led to believe that this facility was near the
>Winco and we do know that area of the city pretty well. But as it turned,
>out, it was nowhere near there. Because we thought we knew where we were
>going, I didn't bring my GPS and I currently can't carry my normal purse
>anyway due to the weight. Plus I am sick today. Did not even want to
>leave the house. But I went as a passenger in case I was needed for some
>reason. Won't get into all of that. But... Driver put the address into
>her phone GPS and that immediately told us that this place was not where we
>thought it was. Anyway...
>
> Numerous times, her phone rang or a text came in, many of which were from
> the person that we were doing this favor for. Grrr! And every time this
> happened, the call or text took over the phone. I had to keep poking at
> the phone to clear them to get back to the GPS. Now this may be phone
> specific. I remember an incident with one of my old phones. Same annoying
> person kept calling me. I had pulled over and tried to dial 911 because
> some crazy man was riding a bike the wrong direction in the street and
> into traffic. The phone wouldn't allow me to dial 911 until I had
> answered the incoming calls.
>
> Anyway... This setup obviously isn't going to work if you are in the car
> alone. You'd have to keep pulling over to take or dismiss the calls and
> texts. At least in this state as it is illegal to touch your phone while
> driving.

Use Google Maps. Depends on your smart phone but not all can make calls and
qaccess other apps at the same time. My Samsung G5 does but iPhones do not.



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On 1/22/2016 3:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I can now say without a shadow of a doubt why a phone GPS is no good.
> We just had to take a medical device back to another city that we aren't
> very familiar with. We were led to believe that this facility was near
> the Winco and we do know that area of the city pretty well. But as it
> turned, out, it was nowhere near there. Because we thought we knew
> where we were going, I didn't bring my GPS and I currently can't carry
> my normal purse anyway due to the weight. Plus I am sick today. Did
> not even want to leave the house. But I went as a passenger in case I
> was needed for some reason. Won't get into all of that. But... Driver
> put the address into her phone GPS and that immediately told us that
> this place was not where we thought it was. Anyway...
>
> Numerous times, her phone rang or a text came in, many of which were
> from the person that we were doing this favor for. Grrr! And every
> time this happened, the call or text took over the phone. I had to keep
> poking at the phone to clear them to get back to the GPS. Now this may
> be phone specific. I remember an incident with one of my old phones.
> Same annoying person kept calling me. I had pulled over and tried to
> dial 911 because some crazy man was riding a bike the wrong direction in
> the street and into traffic. The phone wouldn't allow me to dial 911
> until I had answered the incoming calls.
>
> Anyway... This setup obviously isn't going to work if you are in the
> car alone. You'd have to keep pulling over to take or dismiss the calls
> and texts. At least in this state as it is illegal to touch your phone
> while driving.

I use Waze and it is nothing like that. The phone and text thing may be
phone specific because even if my phone rings and becomes the focused
app, I can just barely tap the volume button and phone goes away, Waze
comes back. Another thing that makes using the phone for directions is a
mounting device of some sort. Mine mounts on the dashboard with very
strong suction and it is handy to plug in the charging cord if I need to.

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On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:40:24 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
> I can now say without a shadow of a doubt why a phone GPS is no good. We
> just had to take a medical device back to another city that we aren't very
> familiar with. We were led to believe that this facility was near the Winco
> and we do know that area of the city pretty well. But as it turned, out, it
> was nowhere near there. Because we thought we knew where we were going, I
> didn't bring my GPS and I currently can't carry my normal purse anyway due
> to the weight. Plus I am sick today. Did not even want to leave the house.
> But I went as a passenger in case I was needed for some reason. Won't get
> into all of that. But... Driver put the address into her phone GPS and
> that immediately told us that this place was not where we thought it was.
> Anyway...
>
> Numerous times, her phone rang or a text came in, many of which were from
> the person that we were doing this favor for. Grrr! And every time this
> happened, the call or text took over the phone. I had to keep poking at the
> phone to clear them to get back to the GPS. Now this may be phone specific.
> I remember an incident with one of my old phones. Same annoying person kept
> calling me. I had pulled over and tried to dial 911 because some crazy man
> was riding a bike the wrong direction in the street and into traffic. The
> phone wouldn't allow me to dial 911 until I had answered the incoming calls.
>
> Anyway... This setup obviously isn't going to work if you are in the car
> alone. You'd have to keep pulling over to take or dismiss the calls and
> texts. At least in this state as it is illegal to touch your phone while
> driving.

I would use Google maps to look up the business BEFORE LEAVING THE HOUSE.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I can now say without a shadow of a doubt why a phone GPS is no good. We
>>just had to take a medical device back to another city that we aren't very
>>familiar with. We were led to believe that this facility was near the
>>Winco and we do know that area of the city pretty well. But as it turned,
>>out, it was nowhere near there. Because we thought we knew where we were
>>going, I didn't bring my GPS and I currently can't carry my normal purse
>>anyway due to the weight. Plus I am sick today. Did not even want to
>>leave the house. But I went as a passenger in case I was needed for some
>>reason. Won't get into all of that. But... Driver put the address into
>>her phone GPS and that immediately told us that this place was not where
>>we thought it was. Anyway...
>>
>> Numerous times, her phone rang or a text came in, many of which were from
>> the person that we were doing this favor for. Grrr! And every time this
>> happened, the call or text took over the phone. I had to keep poking at
>> the phone to clear them to get back to the GPS. Now this may be phone
>> specific. I remember an incident with one of my old phones. Same
>> annoying person kept calling me. I had pulled over and tried to dial 911
>> because some crazy man was riding a bike the wrong direction in the
>> street and into traffic. The phone wouldn't allow me to dial 911 until I
>> had answered the incoming calls.
>>
>> Anyway... This setup obviously isn't going to work if you are in the car
>> alone. You'd have to keep pulling over to take or dismiss the calls and
>> texts. At least in this state as it is illegal to touch your phone while
>> driving.
>
> Use Google Maps. Depends on your smart phone but not all can make calls
> and qaccess other apps at the same time. My Samsung G5 does but iPhones
> do not.

Can't look at a map when driving and I don't do maps anyway. Don't
understand them. We all have Iphones.

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:40:24 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I can now say without a shadow of a doubt why a phone GPS is no good. We
>> just had to take a medical device back to another city that we aren't
>> very
>> familiar with. We were led to believe that this facility was near the
>> Winco
>> and we do know that area of the city pretty well. But as it turned, out,
>> it
>> was nowhere near there. Because we thought we knew where we were going,
>> I
>> didn't bring my GPS and I currently can't carry my normal purse anyway
>> due
>> to the weight. Plus I am sick today. Did not even want to leave the
>> house.
>> But I went as a passenger in case I was needed for some reason. Won't
>> get
>> into all of that. But... Driver put the address into her phone GPS and
>> that immediately told us that this place was not where we thought it was.
>> Anyway...
>>
>> Numerous times, her phone rang or a text came in, many of which were from
>> the person that we were doing this favor for. Grrr! And every time this
>> happened, the call or text took over the phone. I had to keep poking at
>> the
>> phone to clear them to get back to the GPS. Now this may be phone
>> specific.
>> I remember an incident with one of my old phones. Same annoying person
>> kept
>> calling me. I had pulled over and tried to dial 911 because some crazy
>> man
>> was riding a bike the wrong direction in the street and into traffic.
>> The
>> phone wouldn't allow me to dial 911 until I had answered the incoming
>> calls.
>>
>> Anyway... This setup obviously isn't going to work if you are in the car
>> alone. You'd have to keep pulling over to take or dismiss the calls and
>> texts. At least in this state as it is illegal to touch your phone while
>> driving.
>
> I would use Google maps to look up the business BEFORE LEAVING THE HOUSE.

I always Mapquest and print off before I leave the house. Had I realized
where this place really was, I wouldn't even have needed to do that. Turns
out it was very near my surgeon and I can get there easily from here without
going onto the freeway which takes us quite out of our way. But the driver
didn't tell me until we were on the road that it wasn't where we thought it
was and I was just far too sick to get my phone and try to do anything. I
didn't even want to go but I didn't want to argue over it either. I just
knew if we didn't get this device back on time it would cost us $400.
Person we were doing the favor for told us that it was on our way to Winco.
I didn't question this as there is a medical place with this same name on
our way there. But there are probably dozens of places within a 20 mile
radius of our house with that name. I saw two more today on the way to this
place that I didn't know of.

I think it's odd that UPS trucks don't have gps, you know they'd get a big discount for getting 10 million gps at once. I don't think fed ex trucks have it either.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:54:21 -0800 (PST), wrote:

> I think it's odd that UPS trucks don't have gps, you know they'd get a big discount for getting 10 million gps at once. I don't think fed ex trucks have it either.

How do you know they don't use GPS? I read they were among the first
to adopt it.

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sf

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:54:21 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>I think it's odd that UPS trucks don't have gps, you know they'd get a big discount
>for getting 10 million gps at once. I don't think fed ex trucks have it either.

It would take longer to enter the addresses for each delivery than
the time it would save.

And most UPS deliveries are on routes that the drivers know well,
and drive every day (with few changes).

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:33:57 -0800, The New Other Guy
> wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:54:21 -0800 (PST), wrote:
>
>>I think it's odd that UPS trucks don't have gps, you know they'd get a big discount
>>for getting 10 million gps at once. I don't think fed ex trucks have it either.
>
>It would take longer to enter the addresses for each delivery than
>the time it would save.
>
>And most UPS deliveries are on routes that the drivers know well,
>and drive every day (with few changes).
>
>
since everything is on a computer tracking system, I would assume that
the delivery assignments are already on the computer for the driver's
route. Can't that be directly received by a GPS system?
Janet US

> wrote in message
...
>I think it's odd that UPS trucks don't have gps, you know they'd get a big
>discount for getting 10 million gps at once. I don't think fed ex trucks
>have it either.

Mail trucks need it too!

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:50:15 -0700, Janet B > wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:33:57 -0800, The New Other Guy
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:54:21 -0800 (PST), wrote:
>>
>>>I think it's odd that UPS trucks don't have gps, you know they'd get a big discount
>>>for getting 10 million gps at once. I don't think fed ex trucks have it either.
>>
>>It would take longer to enter the addresses for each delivery than
>>the time it would save.
>>
>>And most UPS deliveries are on routes that the drivers know well,
>>and drive every day (with few changes).
>>
>>
>since everything is on a computer tracking system, I would assume that
>the delivery assignments are already on the computer for the driver's
>route. Can't that be directly received by a GPS system?

Yes, certainly can be.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:50:15 -0700, Janet B >
wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:33:57 -0800, The New Other Guy
> > wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:54:21 -0800 (PST), wrote:
> >
> >>I think it's odd that UPS trucks don't have gps, you know they'd get a big discount
> >>for getting 10 million gps at once. I don't think fed ex trucks have it either.
> >
> >It would take longer to enter the addresses for each delivery than
> >the time it would save.
> >
> >And most UPS deliveries are on routes that the drivers know well,
> >and drive every day (with few changes).
> >
> >
> since everything is on a computer tracking system, I would assume that
> the delivery assignments are already on the computer for the driver's
> route. Can't that be directly received by a GPS system?
> Janet US

Of course it can. The driver isn't going to look at each package and
plot out a route. GPS will guide him to the next delivery in the
truck from a computer generated list.

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On 1/23/2016 12:42 AM, The New Other Guy wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:50:15 -0700, Janet B > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:33:57 -0800, The New Other Guy
>> > wrote:

>> since everything is on a computer tracking system, I would assume that
>> the delivery assignments are already on the computer for the driver's
>> route. Can't that be directly received by a GPS system?
>
> Yes, certainly can be.

I believe their route is planned out for them before they leave
the facility. It's computer generated to include as few left
turns as possible.

Of course, things must come up that make that route not possible,
so I'm sure they have GPS or are connected somehow.

nancy

On 1/23/2016 12:58 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:50:15 -0700, Janet B >
> wrote:

>> since everything is on a computer tracking system, I would assume that
>> the delivery assignments are already on the computer for the driver's
>> route. Can't that be directly received by a GPS system?
>> Janet US
>
> Of course it can. The driver isn't going to look at each package and
> plot out a route. GPS will guide him to the next delivery in the
> truck from a computer generated list.

It would be interesting to see them load the truck to match
the route so the packages are accessible.

nancy

On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 08:34:56 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 1/23/2016 12:58 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:50:15 -0700, Janet B >
>> wrote:
>
>>> since everything is on a computer tracking system, I would assume that
>>> the delivery assignments are already on the computer for the driver's
>>> route. Can't that be directly received by a GPS system?
>>> Janet US
>>
>> Of course it can. The driver isn't going to look at each package and
>> plot out a route. GPS will guide him to the next delivery in the
>> truck from a computer generated list.
>
>It would be interesting to see them load the truck to match
>the route so the packages are accessible.

It's quite the procedure. I used to work for a commercial food
distribution company, and they sent out about 20 delivery trucks every
day. The cases of foods were loaded on the trucks in the opposite
order of the delivery route. Every step in the procedure was
computer-driven and quite involved.

Doris

On 1/23/2016 10:02 AM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 08:34:56 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> It would be interesting to see them load the truck to match
>> the route so the packages are accessible.
>
> It's quite the procedure. I used to work for a commercial food
> distribution company, and they sent out about 20 delivery trucks every
> day. The cases of foods were loaded on the trucks in the opposite
> order of the delivery route. Every step in the procedure was
> computer-driven and quite involved.

I guess it falls under logistics. Very interesting.

Not that I would like to load trucks, myself. Heh.

nancy

On 2016-01-23 10:02 AM, Doris Night wrote:

> It's quite the procedure. I used to work for a commercial food
> distribution company, and they sent out about 20 delivery trucks every
> day. The cases of foods were loaded on the trucks in the opposite
> order of the delivery route. Every step in the procedure was
> computer-driven and quite involved.

I worked for a while doing deliveries by truck. I had a more or less
regular route that would service 3-4 of our maintenance patrol yards and
construction sites in those areas. Most of the time I loaded as you did
it reverse order of deliver. Sometimes I had some very large items that
would confound that order. Sometimes I had so much for some of the
construction projects that I would have to make a second trip.

We did not have GPS back then. Later on I worked in the equipment
section and sometimes had to deliver and pick up equipment at shops in
different cities. It sure helped to have decent maps.

One of the best things about GPS is their ability to deal with one way
streets. When you get into a strange city it is hard enough to find the
streets you are looking for, but even more frustrating to locate it and
find out it is a one way street going the wrong way.

I ran into a problem when I was in San Francisco last fall. We had gone
out for supper and I did not know that my wife had taken the map and the
GPS up to our hotel room. Our trip to the restaurant was simple enough.
We turned right and followed a main street for a mile or two. After
supper, I made a couple right turns to get up to that main street and
discovered I could not turn left. Not a problem.... I thought I could
just go a block or two and then make a left or a couple rights and get
back to it to make a right turn. Nope. We ended up grabbing the last
exit before the Golden Gate Bridge, and then got messed up with strange
curves that left me with no idea where I was or which direction I was
headed.

On 2016-01-23 10:52 AM, barbie gee wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016, Julie Bove wrote:

>> Can't look at a map when driving and I don't do maps anyway. Don't
>> understand them. We all have Iphones.
>
> and your navigation program doesn't announce and direct where you're
> supposed to go? "In one thousand feet, turn right on to North Main
> Street"?


Julie would be too busy thinking up reasons why she cannot follow the
GPS's instructions.

On 2016-01-23 10:58 AM, barbie gee wrote:
>

> my phone GPS lets me use speech to text, so there's no "entering the
> address" to fuss with. Speak, quick check, and hit the road.


That would fall into the category of distracted driving here in Ontario.
You would have to do it fast to reduce the chances of being caught
using a hand held device. You might get away with it if the device was
in a bracket so it would be hands free.

If UPS trucks had gps they should have no trouble finding your house bu they do have trouble, 1 UPS driver told me the trucks had no gps but that his cell did.

Julie Bove wrote:
> I don't do maps anyway. Don't understand them.

Why not?

Are you dense?

Julie Bove wrote:
>> I would use Google maps to look up the business BEFORE LEAVING THE HOUSE.
>
> I always Mapquest and print off before I leave the house.


But you just said:

"I don't do maps anyway. Don't understand them."

Lie much?

Dave Smith wrote:
> I ran into a problem when I was in San Francisco last fall.

Hard to find a good needle exchange?

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Julie would be too busy thinking up reasons why she cannot follow the
> GPS's instructions.

And you'd spend your time talking back to it.

On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:30:26 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> I ran into a problem when I was in San Francisco last fall. We had gone
> out for supper and I did not know that my wife had taken the map and the
> GPS up to our hotel room. Our trip to the restaurant was simple enough.
> We turned right and followed a main street for a mile or two. After
> supper, I made a couple right turns to get up to that main street and
> discovered I could not turn left.

That's big City driving. You have to make a series of rights to make
a left turn.

> Not a problem.... I thought I could
> just go a block or two and then make a left or a couple rights and get
> back to it to make a right turn. Nope. We ended up grabbing the last
> exit before the Golden Gate Bridge, and then got messed up with strange
> curves that left me with no idea where I was or which direction I was
> headed.

You were lost in the Presidio. It's not an easy place to navigate
during the day and it's particularly hard at night - the lack of
street lighting only makes getting around harder.

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sf

On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:08:40 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-01-23 10:58 AM, barbie gee wrote:
> >
>
> > my phone GPS lets me use speech to text, so there's no "entering the
> > address" to fuss with. Speak, quick check, and hit the road.
>
>
> That would fall into the category of distracted driving here in Ontario.
> You would have to do it fast to reduce the chances of being caught
> using a hand held device. You might get away with it if the device was
> in a bracket so it would be hands free.

You're making problems when there are absolutely none. What's so hard
about setting your GPS before you leave the garage or pulling over to
speak to it?

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sf

On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 08:13:55 -0800 (PST), wrote:

> If UPS trucks had gps they should have no trouble finding your house bu they do have trouble, 1 UPS driver told me the trucks had no gps but that his cell did.

UPS you say? No wonder Amazon is dropping them.

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wrote:
> If UPS trucks had gps they should have no trouble finding your house bu they do have trouble, 1 UPS driver told me the trucks had no gps but that his cell did.
>


He lied to you:

http://www.fieldtechnologies.com/new...er-efficiency/


Fleet GPS tracking and telematics devices have been installed in over
11,000 UPS delivery vehicles as of July 2010. The company recently
announced plans to install GPS navigation and telematics equipment in
another 10,000 trucks by the end of year. UPS, one of the most
recognized brands in the world, is a $49.7 billion global corporation
known for its efficiency and speed.

In 2008, the company started installing GPS fleet tracking and
telematics equipment into roughly 1,500 fleet vehicles. UPS wanted to
test the technology in different regions, climates and monitor the data
gathered by the devices. The devices capture more than 200 key data
elements, including speed, RPM, oil pressure, seat belt use, plus the
number of times the truck is placed in reverse. They soon realized that
the fleet technology was able determine a truck’s performance and
condition, as well as identify ways drivers can make small adjustments
that yield major results. Improved data combined with driver coaching
has helped UPS significantly reduce its fuel consumption, emissions, and
maintenance costs, while improving customer service and driver safety.

“UPS is always looking for ways to improve efficiency and customer
service, slash energy consumption and emissions, and make our drivers
safer on the road,” said Mike Hance, vice president of fleet operations.
“We realized this cutting-edge technology enables quick, fact-based
decisions to improve these areas.” As part of the endeavor, the company
is installing sensors in key areas such as brakes, engine box, and also
on the exterior of the trucks. These devices will help UPS track the
location of its fleet vehicles and also helps fleet managers identify
ways in which drivers can make adjustments and improve their performance
based on collected data. Two key areas the company plans to improve are
idle time and route efficiency.

To date, the endeavor has yielded positive results, including reduced
idling, maintenance, fuel costs and waste, while also improving safety.
UPS reduced truck idling time by 15 minutes per driver per day, totaling
25 gallons of fuel per driver per year. While that reduction may seem a
small change, on the large scale, it’s a major improvement. “When
telematics is fully deployed in the small-package delivery fleet in the
U.S., the reduction of idle time by 15 minutes per driver per day would
save 1.4 million gallons of fuel annually,” said Donna Longino, a UPS
spokesperson. “Multiply results like that by more than 90,000 drivers
worldwide, and you can see the potential. In addition to reducing idle
time, telematics systems provide other environmental benefits. By
helping UPS optimize dispatch planning and driver routine, the system
reduces overall driver miles, cuts fuel consumption, and reduces
emissions. Further, by optimizing vehicle performance and improving
maintenance, telematics help UPS increase the useful life of parts and
decrease the disposal of parts, including lead acid batteries and tires,
” Longino said.

sf wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 08:13:55 -0800 (PST), wrote:
>
>> If UPS trucks had gps they should have no trouble finding your house bu they do have trouble, 1 UPS driver told me the trucks had no gps but that his cell did.
>
> UPS you say? No wonder Amazon is dropping them.
>

They dropped them because the USPS is cheaper, period.

http://www.fieldtechnologies.com/new...er-efficiency/

Fleet GPS tracking and telematics devices have been installed in over
11,000 UPS delivery vehicles as of July 2010. The company recently
announced plans to install GPS navigation and telematics equipment in
another 10,000 trucks by the end of year. UPS, one of the most
recognized brands in the world, is a $49.7 billion global corporation
known for its efficiency and speed.

In 2008, the company started installing GPS fleet tracking and
telematics equipment into roughly 1,500 fleet vehicles. UPS wanted to
test the technology in different regions, climates and monitor the data
gathered by the devices. The devices capture more than 200 key data
elements, including speed, RPM, oil pressure, seat belt use, plus the
number of times the truck is placed in reverse. They soon realized that
the fleet technology was able determine a truck’s performance and
condition, as well as identify ways drivers can make small adjustments
that yield major results. Improved data combined with driver coaching
has helped UPS significantly reduce its fuel consumption, emissions, and
maintenance costs, while improving customer service and driver safety.

“UPS is always looking for ways to improve efficiency and customer
service, slash energy consumption and emissions, and make our drivers
safer on the road,” said Mike Hance, vice president of fleet operations.
“We realized this cutting-edge technology enables quick, fact-based
decisions to improve these areas.” As part of the endeavor, the company
is installing sensors in key areas such as brakes, engine box, and also
on the exterior of the trucks. These devices will help UPS track the
location of its fleet vehicles and also helps fleet managers identify
ways in which drivers can make adjustments and improve their performance
based on collected data. Two key areas the company plans to improve are
idle time and route efficiency.

To date, the endeavor has yielded positive results, including reduced
idling, maintenance, fuel costs and waste, while also improving safety.
UPS reduced truck idling time by 15 minutes per driver per day, totaling
25 gallons of fuel per driver per year. While that reduction may seem a
small change, on the large scale, it’s a major improvement. “When
telematics is fully deployed in the small-package delivery fleet in the
U.S., the reduction of idle time by 15 minutes per driver per day would
save 1.4 million gallons of fuel annually,” said Donna Longino, a UPS
spokesperson. “Multiply results like that by more than 90,000 drivers
worldwide, and you can see the potential. In addition to reducing idle
time, telematics systems provide other environmental benefits. By
helping UPS optimize dispatch planning and driver routine, the system
reduces overall driver miles, cuts fuel consumption, and reduces
emissions. Further, by optimizing vehicle performance and improving
maintenance, telematics help UPS increase the useful life of parts and
decrease the disposal of parts, including lead acid batteries and tires,
” Longino said.

On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 09:32:00 -0700, cibola de oro > wrote:

> Julie Bove wrote:
> >> I would use Google maps to look up the business BEFORE LEAVING THE HOUSE.
> >
> > I always Mapquest and print off before I leave the house.
>
>
> But you just said:
>
> "I don't do maps anyway. Don't understand them."
>
> Lie much?

I don't know anything about MapQuest, but she probably uses the turn
by turn (printed) instructions, not the map itself. I'd rather have
my device (like a phone, if I didn't have built in GPS) give turn by
turn instructions by voice. What she needs to do is plot familiar
routs via voice GPS and practice following them, so she can understand
the directions (aka: terminology) when she hears them on unfamiliar
routes.

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:15:02 -0700, cibola de oro > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 08:13:55 -0800 (PST), wrote:
> >
> >> If UPS trucks had gps they should have no trouble finding your house bu they do have trouble, 1 UPS driver told me the trucks had no gps but that his cell did.
> >
> > UPS you say? No wonder Amazon is dropping them.
> >
>
> They dropped them because the USPS is cheaper, period.
>
> http://www.fieldtechnologies.com/new...er-efficiency/

I'm fine with USPS delivery.

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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I can now say without a shadow of a doubt why a phone GPS is no good. We
>>>just had to take a medical device back to another city that we aren't
>>>very familiar with. We were led to believe that this facility was near
>>>the Winco and we do know that area of the city pretty well. But as it
>>>turned, out, it was nowhere near there. Because we thought we knew where
>>>we were going, I didn't bring my GPS and I currently can't carry my
>>>normal purse anyway due to the weight. Plus I am sick today. Did not
>>>even want to leave the house. But I went as a passenger in case I was
>>>needed for some reason. Won't get into all of that. But... Driver put
>>>the address into her phone GPS and that immediately told us that this
>>>place was not where we thought it was. Anyway...
>>>
>>> Numerous times, her phone rang or a text came in, many of which were
>>> from the person that we were doing this favor for. Grrr! And every
>>> time this happened, the call or text took over the phone. I had to keep
>>> poking at the phone to clear them to get back to the GPS. Now this may
>>> be phone specific. I remember an incident with one of my old phones.
>>> Same annoying person kept calling me. I had pulled over and tried to
>>> dial 911 because some crazy man was riding a bike the wrong direction in
>>> the street and into traffic. The phone wouldn't allow me to dial 911
>>> until I had answered the incoming calls.
>>>
>>> Anyway... This setup obviously isn't going to work if you are in the
>>> car alone. You'd have to keep pulling over to take or dismiss the calls
>>> and texts. At least in this state as it is illegal to touch your phone
>>> while driving.
>>
>> Use Google Maps. Depends on your smart phone but not all can make calls
>> and qaccess other apps at the same time. My Samsung G5 does but iPhones
>> do not.
>
> Can't look at a map when driving and I don't do maps anyway. Don't
> understand them. We all have Iphones.

One does not have to understand a GPS map - that is sort of - ya know - the
whole point. "in 1000 feet turn left at Main Street." Anyone - er I mean
almost anyone can use them. Kudos on the fambly all agreeing on something
at least.



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On 2016-01-23 12:00 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:30:26 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> I ran into a problem when I was in San Francisco last fall. We had gone
>> out for supper and I did not know that my wife had taken the map and the
>> GPS up to our hotel room. Our trip to the restaurant was simple enough.
>> We turned right and followed a main street for a mile or two. After
>> supper, I made a couple right turns to get up to that main street and
>> discovered I could not turn left.
>
> That's big City driving. You have to make a series of rights to make
> a left turn.
>
>> Not a problem.... I thought I could
>> just go a block or two and then make a left or a couple rights and get
>> back to it to make a right turn. Nope. We ended up grabbing the last
>> exit before the Golden Gate Bridge, and then got messed up with strange
>> curves that left me with no idea where I was or which direction I was
>> headed.
>
> You were lost in the Presidio. It's not an easy place to navigate
> during the day and it's particularly hard at night - the lack of
> street lighting only makes getting around harder.

Indeed I was lost. I had had to take so many turns and rounded so many
bends that I was completely disoriented. I figured that if I kept going
I would get back to Geary at some point. Just as I was about to give up
I looked up and saw our hotel. Phew. We did drive around there the
next day as we tried in vain to see the bridge. Apparently it was out
there somewhere in the fog.

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
hcrg.pbz...
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "ImStillMags" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:40:24 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> I can now say without a shadow of a doubt why a phone GPS is no good.
>>>> We
>>>> just had to take a medical device back to another city that we aren't
>>>> very
>>>> familiar with. We were led to believe that this facility was near the
>>>> Winco
>>>> and we do know that area of the city pretty well. But as it turned,
>>>> out, it
>>>> was nowhere near there. Because we thought we knew where we were
>>>> going, I
>>>> didn't bring my GPS and I currently can't carry my normal purse anyway
>>>> due
>>>> to the weight. Plus I am sick today. Did not even want to leave the
>>>> house.
>>>> But I went as a passenger in case I was needed for some reason. Won't
>>>> get
>>>> into all of that. But... Driver put the address into her phone GPS
>>>> and
>>>> that immediately told us that this place was not where we thought it
>>>> was.
>>>> Anyway...
>>>>
>>>> Numerous times, her phone rang or a text came in, many of which were
>>>> from
>>>> the person that we were doing this favor for. Grrr! And every time
>>>> this
>>>> happened, the call or text took over the phone. I had to keep poking
>>>> at the
>>>> phone to clear them to get back to the GPS. Now this may be phone
>>>> specific.
>>>> I remember an incident with one of my old phones. Same annoying person
>>>> kept
>>>> calling me. I had pulled over and tried to dial 911 because some crazy
>>>> man
>>>> was riding a bike the wrong direction in the street and into traffic.
>>>> The
>>>> phone wouldn't allow me to dial 911 until I had answered the incoming
>>>> calls.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway... This setup obviously isn't going to work if you are in the
>>>> car
>>>> alone. You'd have to keep pulling over to take or dismiss the calls
>>>> and
>>>> texts. At least in this state as it is illegal to touch your phone
>>>> while
>>>> driving.
>>>
>>> I would use Google maps to look up the business BEFORE LEAVING THE
>>> HOUSE.
>>
>> I always Mapquest and print off before I leave the house. Had I realized
>> where this place really was, I wouldn't even have needed to do that.
>> Turns out it was very near my surgeon and I can get there easily from
>> here without going onto the freeway which takes us quite out of our way.
>> But the driver didn't tell me until we were on the road that it wasn't
>> where we thought it was and I was just far too sick to get my phone and
>> try to do anything. I didn't even want to go but I didn't want to argue
>> over it either. I just knew if we didn't get this device back on time it
>> would cost us $400. Person we were doing the favor for told us that it
>> was on our way to Winco. I didn't question this as there is a medical
>> place with this same name on our way there. But there are probably dozens
>> of places within a 20 mile radius of our house with that name. I saw two
>> more today on the way to this place that I didn't know of.
>
> About a million years ago, when I took Driver's Ed, I remember very
> clearly one of the first things one should do is figure out where your
> going before you try to drive there. All of this was completely avoidable.
> That you weren't holding the exact street address and phone number of a
> place you'd never been before, isnt the fault of "the GPS".

The problem is in that the person asking for this favor told us that it was
on the way to Winco. And while driving by Winco (we would have had to have
passed Winco then continued on for many miles and other roads) would have
been one route to get there, it wouldn't be the quickest, easiest or even
most obvious choice. And I was very sick so not thinking very well.

So we thought we were making a short trip of a few miles top a known area
but it wasn't that at all.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 09:32:00 -0700, cibola de oro > wrote:
>
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> I would use Google maps to look up the business BEFORE LEAVING THE
>> >> HOUSE.
>> >
>> > I always Mapquest and print off before I leave the house.
>>
>>
>> But you just said:
>>
>> "I don't do maps anyway. Don't understand them."
>>
>> Lie much?
>
> I don't know anything about MapQuest, but she probably uses the turn
> by turn (printed) instructions, not the map itself. I'd rather have
> my device (like a phone, if I didn't have built in GPS) give turn by
> turn instructions by voice. What she needs to do is plot familiar
> routs via voice GPS and practice following them, so she can understand
> the directions (aka: terminology) when she hears them on unfamiliar
> routes.

Yes. I try not to print the Map portion but they keep changing the way that
things print so last time I got the map. I never bring that part with me.
I like the piece or pieces of paper because I can make notes on them such as
were restaurants are. I use those as landmarks to assure me that I am in
fact on the right path.

The place that we went to yesterday is near a main road that uses a variety
of names. Aurora Ave, Highway 99, Rucker, Evergreen Way. The first time I
went down it into Everett I was just a teen. No GPS or cell phones in those
days. I remember freaking out and calling my dad from a pay phone,
convinced that I had somehow taken a mystery turn and had no idea where I
was. He just laughed and explained the name changes. Why they did this?
Dunno. Especially since some of the changes take place within the same
city.

A GPS isn't going to tell you this. At least mine won't. So if I know this
ahead of time, it does help. Mapquest will usually tell you this. It will
also say things like that if you went past Rockefeller, you went too far.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/23/2016 12:58 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:50:15 -0700, Janet B >
>> wrote:
>
>>> since everything is on a computer tracking system, I would assume that
>>> the delivery assignments are already on the computer for the driver's
>>> route. Can't that be directly received by a GPS system?
>>> Janet US
>>
>> Of course it can. The driver isn't going to look at each package and
>> plot out a route. GPS will guide him to the next delivery in the
>> truck from a computer generated list.
>
> It would be interesting to see them load the truck to match
> the route so the packages are accessible.

I actually had the same UPS guy come here twice in a day. He was left
shaking his head on that one. Said he didn't know why they didn't put my
two packages together on the truck. But they didn't.

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
hcrg.pbz...
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I can now say without a shadow of a doubt why a phone GPS is no good.
>>>> We just had to take a medical device back to another city that we
>>>> aren't very familiar with. We were led to believe that this facility
>>>> was near the Winco and we do know that area of the city pretty well.
>>>> But as it turned, out, it was nowhere near there. Because we thought
>>>> we knew where we were going, I didn't bring my GPS and I currently
>>>> can't carry my normal purse anyway due to the weight. Plus I am sick
>>>> today. Did not even want to leave the house. But I went as a passenger
>>>> in case I was needed for some reason. Won't get into all of that.
>>>> But... Driver put the address into her phone GPS and that immediately
>>>> told us that this place was not where we thought it was. Anyway...
>>>>
>>>> Numerous times, her phone rang or a text came in, many of which were
>>>> from the person that we were doing this favor for. Grrr! And every
>>>> time this happened, the call or text took over the phone. I had to
>>>> keep poking at the phone to clear them to get back to the GPS. Now
>>>> this may be phone specific. I remember an incident with one of my old
>>>> phones. Same annoying person kept calling me. I had pulled over and
>>>> tried to dial 911 because some crazy man was riding a bike the wrong
>>>> direction in the street and into traffic. The phone wouldn't allow me
>>>> to dial 911 until I had answered the incoming calls.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway... This setup obviously isn't going to work if you are in the
>>>> car alone. You'd have to keep pulling over to take or dismiss the
>>>> calls and texts. At least in this state as it is illegal to touch your
>>>> phone while driving.
>>>
>>> Use Google Maps. Depends on your smart phone but not all can make calls
>>> and qaccess other apps at the same time. My Samsung G5 does but iPhones
>>> do not.
>>
>> Can't look at a map when driving and I don't do maps anyway. Don't
>> understand them. We all have Iphones.
>
> and your navigation program doesn't announce and direct where you're
> supposed to go? "In one thousand feet, turn right on to North Main
> Street"?

One of my really old ones would tell me to turn in 1000 feet but didn't
announce the street names. My current one does. But the problem here is
that I hadn't looked at the address. Daughter had but didn't bother to tell
me that she was pretty sure where this place was, wasn't where she thought
it was, until we were several blocks from the house.

Had she told me before we left, I could have Mapquested it and I wouldn't
have even NEEDED the paperwork because I actually knew where it was. Or
close enough. Was within a block of my surgeon's office. I could have
gotten there much quicker and more easily than the idiotic freeway route
that we had to take. At least my GPS will tell me which lane to get in.
The phone GPS does not and that particular area is a tangle. Many lanes on
the freeway and many choices when you exit. Veer to the wrong place and
you'll play hell trying to get back to the right street. Back roads are
much easier there.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:08:40 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-01-23 10:58 AM, barbie gee wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > my phone GPS lets me use speech to text, so there's no "entering the
>> > address" to fuss with. Speak, quick check, and hit the road.
>>
>>
>> That would fall into the category of distracted driving here in Ontario.
>> You would have to do it fast to reduce the chances of being caught
>> using a hand held device. You might get away with it if the device was
>> in a bracket so it would be hands free.
>
> You're making problems when there are absolutely none. What's so hard
> about setting your GPS before you leave the garage or pulling over to
> speak to it?

People don't though. And in many places here, if I have to pull over to do
something, that can cost me 5 to 10 minute's time because I have to wait to
get to a light, make a turn, find a parking lot, find a spot to park in,
then reverse the procedure. Yes, in some areas there is street parking but
not usually on the routes I take.