On 2016-01-28 3:54 PM, Janet wrote:

>> I visited the UK on business in February about 30 years ago and although
>> the temperature hovered around 0°C, I really felt the cold because of
>> the moisture. I was glad to get back to Canada.
>> Graham
>
> Our Canadian neighbour used to tell me every winter how he missed
> that lovely DRY cold back home :-) In the end they went back there.

That works down to about -30 C. When it hits -40, which is the same F
or C, it is bloody cold. While people think of Canada as being a cold
northern country, most Canadians like quite a bit further south and most
people in the UK. London England is roughly the same latitude as James
Bay, and other than Edmonton, the population density drops dramatically
than far north.

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:36:33 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thursday, 28 January 2016 02:41:40 UTC-6, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:46:43 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>> >>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:21:44 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >>>>> On 1/26/2016 4:17 PM, wrote:
>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:12:31 -0500, Nancy Young
>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On 1/26/2016 12:40 PM, wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:01:34 -0500, Nancy Young
>>> >>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> That's a nice feature, but most people don't have that.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I mentioned it really because sf was accusatory and actually I am
>>> >>>>>> very
>>> >>>>>> good at not wasting
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I get it, but when you live with drought, it sensitizes you to
>>> >>>>> the idea of just running water down the drain for nothing.
>>> >>>>> Like the moisturizer I use, it says to put it on and rinse it
>>> >>>>> off. Then wash the tub. Like they're on a mission to drain all
>>> >>>>> the reservoirs. Somehow I get by using less and not rinsing off
>>> >>>>> the 'extra.'
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> My power bill is a fraction of some friends,
>>> >>>>>> but then they go from room to room leaving lights on etc. I also
>>> >>>>>> loathe to turn the oven on for just one item etc etc.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Sorry if I seemed to be jumping on you, I didn't mean it to
>>> >>>>> be personally directed at you.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> If I was still in a house I would install one of those on demand
>>> >>>>>> water
>>> >>>>>> heating thingies, they are very good.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I have considered those, though I am sure spending a lot of money
>>> >>>>> on that would be a hard sell.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Do you mean a 'combi boiler'? Believe me, they are worth every
>>> >>>>penny!!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>https://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/ar...a-combi-boiler
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Actually it's not the same, an on demand tankless water heater is
>>> >>> only
>>> >>> for hot water, not house heating. I had one installed two years ago,
>>> >>> it long ago paid for itself by cutting my water heating energy use by
>>> >>> 2/3... and takes very little space, it's about the size of a desk top
>>> >>> PC... mine is on my basement wall, in warmer climates it can be
>>> >>> outdoors.
>>> >>> https://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-heater
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Mine isn't much bigger than a desktop computer and it does serve the
>>> >>house
>>> >>heating as well as the hot water. Oh and it hangs on the wall in a
>>> >>cupboard.
>>> >
>>> > All I can think is you're in a location of much more mild weather...
>>> > your system wouldn't work here where temperatures in winter are often
>>> > in the minuses, as in below zero F.
>>>
>>> LOL I am in Scotland!!!! These things are commonplace btw.
>>
>>
>> Upstate New York, where Sheldon lives, seems to have a lower annual winter
>> temperature than Scotland (doing a quick check)...'course Scotland can get
>> quite chill :-)
>>
>> The temp in the British Isles generally is tempered somewhat by the ocean
>> currents...you'll find roses still extant (in the lower reaches of the UK,
>> at least) in December, but I don't think you'd find roses blooming in the
>> Capital Region of NY state at that time.
>
>I take it you mean Southern England???
>
>Anyway, Sheldon tried to say that the reason we have combi boilers was
>because we have warmer weather lol

You likely do have warmer winters than where I live. On several
occasons I've posted the winter temperatures here in the northern
Catskills and I have again in this thread, yet you've not once posted
your winter temperatures, you only say it's "cold". Tonight I checked
Scotland's climate, winters there are a lot warmer than they are
here... your coldest winter days ever recorded are warmer than my late
spring days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Scotland
Your kind of house heating wouldn't work here, we'd freeze our asses
off. Most winter mornings I wake up to -20ºF, very often for weeks at
a time the night time temperatures dive to -40ºF. On a typical
sunny/mild winter day the temperature here never goes higher than 10ºF
by noon. In winter here some trees burst from freezing temperatures
and can take years to heal if they don't die first. Occasionally some
lose all their sugar maple trees due to excessively cold temperatures,
they literally explode into splinters, their bark is totally girdled,
they die. At the higher elevations it gets cold here.

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 03:31:53 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 2:14:22 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:35:22 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Ok! We used to have a tank like the one you describe ... over 30 years ago.
>> > The boiler I have now is common here.
>>
>> Nobody uses a boiler for heat other than old and out of date
>> apartments in big cities.
>
>Hot water heating is not uncommon outside big cities, but forced-air
>is the most common kind.

Not in the US north east... most homes where I live heat with hot
water baseboard, some with propane but most with oil. Very few here
heat with forced hot air... too costly in so cold a climate, hot air
offers no residual heat. Hot air heat works best in relativly warm
climates because that kind of ductwork works for AC too.

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:52:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:35:22 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Ok! We used to have a tank like the one you describe ... over 30 years
> >> ago.
> >> The boiler I have now is common here.
> >
> > Nobody uses a boiler for heat other than old and out of date
> > apartments in big cities.
> >
>
> And do the boilers you describe give instant hot water and heating?

They heat. No instant hot water. Boilers are located in the
basement, so the water that's left in the pipes cools.

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sf

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:22:27 -0700, graham > wrote:

> On 28/01/2016 1:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:27:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "sf" > wrote in message
> >>> news > >>> > On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:43:09 -0700, cibola de oro > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> You brag like the spoiled rich bitch who went to Swiss boarding
> >>> >> school,
> >>> >> you risible ****.
> >>> >
> >>> > She should preface her just use "hot water" puffery with the fact that
> >>> > the suggestion only works for water wasters and those with an instant
> >>> > hot water dispenser.
> >>>
> >>> Why is it puffery??? Is an instant water heater so unusual in the US???
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >
> > It is odd. I always though USA was far ahead of us technologically yet in
> > many things, you are far behind. I don't understand it! As for simple
> > instant water heaters, we had them in the 50s.
> >
> I recently replaced my water heater with a conventional 40 gallon one.
> Gas fired. Instant ones have been promoted here for a couple of years or
> so but it wasn't feasible for my house. Mini, under the kitchen sink
> heaters are often in up-market houses and have been for over 20 years.
> Graham

New homes are also likely to be solar heated. My house is almost 100
years old but we don't spend enough on gas and electric to make the
cost of converting worthwhile.

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sf

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:30:06 -0700, graham > wrote:

> On 28/01/2016 1:26 PM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >>
>
> >>>
> >> The overwhelming majority of houses here have forced air heating.
> >
> > My son has a modern eco house where all the downstairs floors are
> > geothermally heated. An air filtering heat recovery/circulation system
> > heats the top floor. The roof has a huge array of solar panels which
> > generate enough power to heat the water and they get paid for any
> > surplus power they don't use.
> >
> > Janet.
> >
> That would be nice but retrofitting my house is not economically
> worthwhile.

+1

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sf

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:59:56 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:52:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:35:22 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ok! We used to have a tank like the one you describe ... over 30 years
>> >> ago.
>> >> The boiler I have now is common here.
>> >
>> > Nobody uses a boiler for heat other than old and out of date
>> > apartments in big cities.
>> >
>>
>> And do the boilers you describe give instant hot water and heating?
>
>They heat. No instant hot water. Boilers are located in the
>basement, so the water that's left in the pipes cools.

Now you see, that's the modern way in the USA, anything else is
'puffery' - whatever that is supposed to mean.

On 1/29/2016 7:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > wrote in message

>> That is another reason why it is better, you could run the dishwasher,
>> take a bath all at the same time and the water would not start getting
>> cool as it does when coming from a tank.
>
> ... not forgetting the central heating and washing machine ... The hot
> water will remain constant running them all.
>
The combi does a good job heating water as needed, but (at least in _my_
house) the washing machine and the dishwasher each heat their own water.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/29/2016 7:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>
>>> That is another reason why it is better, you could run the dishwasher,
>>> take a bath all at the same time and the water would not start getting
>>> cool as it does when coming from a tank.
>>
>> ... not forgetting the central heating and washing machine ... The hot
>> water will remain constant running them all.
>>
> The combi does a good job heating water as needed, but (at least in _my_
> house) the washing machine and the dishwasher each heat their own water.

Yes as does mine, but the point I was making is that it it would do it if
needed. I was really showing that the hot water is constant and doesn't
run out when (as was mentioned) someone has a shower. Neither does having
the heating on make my shower cold ... iyswim! <g>

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On 1/29/2016 9:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>> On 1/29/2016 7:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>>> That is another reason why it is better, you could run the dishwasher,
>>>> take a bath all at the same time and the water would not start getting
>>>> cool as it does when coming from a tank.
>>> ... not forgetting the central heating and washing machine ... The hot
>>> water will remain constant running them all.
>> The combi does a good job heating water as needed, but (at least in _my_
>> house) the washing machine and the dishwasher each heat their own water.
>
> Yes as does mine, but the point I was making is that it it would do it
> if needed. I was really showing that the hot water is constant and
> doesn't run out when (as was mentioned) someone has a shower. Neither
> does having the heating on make my shower cold ... iyswim! <g>
>
Indeed. But the self-heating of washer and dishwasher water, is yet
another difference between typical US and UK homes.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/29/2016 9:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>> On 1/29/2016 7:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> That is another reason why it is better, you could run the dishwasher,
>>>>> take a bath all at the same time and the water would not start getting
>>>>> cool as it does when coming from a tank.
>>>> ... not forgetting the central heating and washing machine ... The hot
>>>> water will remain constant running them all.
>>> The combi does a good job heating water as needed, but (at least in _my_
>>> house) the washing machine and the dishwasher each heat their own water.
>>
>> Yes as does mine, but the point I was making is that it it would do it
>> if needed. I was really showing that the hot water is constant and
>> doesn't run out when (as was mentioned) someone has a shower. Neither
>> does having the heating on make my shower cold ... iyswim! <g>
>>
> Indeed. But the self-heating of washer and dishwasher water, is yet
> another difference between typical US and UK homes.

They don't?? Blimey!



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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/29/2016 9:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>>> On 1/29/2016 7:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> That is another reason why it is better, you could run the
>>>>>> dishwasher,
>>>>>> take a bath all at the same time and the water would not start
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> cool as it does when coming from a tank.
>>>>> ... not forgetting the central heating and washing machine ... The
>>>>> hot
>>>>> water will remain constant running them all.
>>>> The combi does a good job heating water as needed, but (at least in
>>>> _my_
>>>> house) the washing machine and the dishwasher each heat their own
>>>> water.
>>>
>>> Yes as does mine, but the point I was making is that it it would do it
>>> if needed. I was really showing that the hot water is constant and
>>> doesn't run out when (as was mentioned) someone has a shower. Neither
>>> does having the heating on make my shower cold ... iyswim! <g>
>>>
>> Indeed. But the self-heating of washer and dishwasher water, is yet
>> another difference between typical US and UK homes.
>
> They don't?? Blimey!

So, how do you get the temp right for the type of stuff you are washing?


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On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:41:33 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 1/29/2016 7:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>
>>> That is another reason why it is better, you could run the dishwasher,
>>> take a bath all at the same time and the water would not start getting
>>> cool as it does when coming from a tank.
>>
>> ... not forgetting the central heating and washing machine ... The hot
>> water will remain constant running them all.
>>
>The combi does a good job heating water as needed, but (at least in _my_
>house) the washing machine and the dishwasher each heat their own water.

Mine will, but I have the heat turned off and just take from the tap
so to speak.

Sqwertz wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Your kind of house heating wouldn't work here, we'd freeze our asses
>> off. Most winter mornings I wake up to -20ºF, very often for weeks at
>> a time the night time temperatures dive to -40ºF.
>
>And that has been proven to be exaggerated bullshit by the weather
>almanac for Albany, New York.
>
>Just another old fart's drunken tales.

I don't live in Albany, I'm about an hour's drive southwest and at an
elevation more than 2,000 feet higher. Albany is right at the
junction of the Hudson and Mohawk rivers, close to sea level. We only
a short while ago went through how elevation and mountain side shadows
affect temperatures... the north face of mountains can be 20ºF colder
than the south face. I'm not far from Windham Mountain, it's
typically 15ºF colder yet on that mountain at the ski lodge than where
I am... this is their worst year for skiing in a long time, no snow
here yet and days are warm enough to melt their blown snow.
Engage dwarfish brain before typing.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >> very often for weeks at
> >> a time the night time temperatures dive to -40ºF.

LOL! No it doesn't.

On 1/29/2016 9:59 AM, wrote:
> > wrote:
>> On 1/29/2016 7:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>>> That is another reason why it is better, you could run the dishwasher,
>>>> take a bath all at the same time and the water would not start getting
>>>> cool as it does when coming from a tank.
>>> ... not forgetting the central heating and washing machine ... The hot
>>> water will remain constant running them all.
>> The combi does a good job heating water as needed, but (at least in _my_
>> house) the washing machine and the dishwasher each heat their own water.
>
> Mine will, but I have the heat turned off and just take from the tap
> so to speak.
>
A UK dishwasher will have only a cold feed; a clothes washer _may_ have
both, but most only have a cold feed.

On 1/29/2016 9:56 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote
>> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
>>> Indeed. But the self-heating of washer and dishwasher water, is yet
>>> another difference between typical US and UK homes.
>>
>> They don't?? Blimey!
>
> So, how do you get the temp right for the type of stuff you are washing?
>
Cross your fingers and hope?

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/29/2016 9:56 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote
>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
>>>> Indeed. But the self-heating of washer and dishwasher water, is yet
>>>> another difference between typical US and UK homes.
>>>
>>> They don't?? Blimey!
>>
>> So, how do you get the temp right for the type of stuff you are washing?
>>
> Cross your fingers and hope?

Good grief! I am glad we can set the temp.


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Sqwertz wrote:
> Just another old fart's drunken tales.
>
> -sw

Says the grotesque bloated dwarf of a woman stalker.

DIE SOON!

On 1/29/2016 9:56 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote

>> "S Viemeister" > wrote

>>> Indeed. But the self-heating of washer and dishwasher water, is yet
>>> another difference between typical US and UK homes.
>>
>> They don't?? Blimey!
>
> So, how do you get the temp right for the type of stuff you are washing?

The washing machine doesn't heat the water but it chooses how
much hot or cold water to draw depending on how you set it.

I don't remember having a dishwasher that didn't have a heating
coil, I imagine they make them still.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> I don't remember having a dishwasher that didn't have a heating
> coil, I imagine they make them still.
>
> nancy

Wow, great imagination.

Do you also imagine they make cars with wheels?

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:46:45 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 1/29/2016 9:59 AM, wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>> On 1/29/2016 7:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> That is another reason why it is better, you could run the dishwasher,
>>>>> take a bath all at the same time and the water would not start getting
>>>>> cool as it does when coming from a tank.
>>>> ... not forgetting the central heating and washing machine ... The hot
>>>> water will remain constant running them all.
>>> The combi does a good job heating water as needed, but (at least in _my_
>>> house) the washing machine and the dishwasher each heat their own water.
>>
>> Mine will, but I have the heat turned off and just take from the tap
>> so to speak.
>>
>A UK dishwasher will have only a cold feed; a clothes washer _may_ have
>both, but most only have a cold feed.

Oh okay - I can have the dishwasher heat the water higher, but don't.
The washer has cold/warm/hot settings but I doubt the hot is hotter
than the tap provides.

I never examined my aunt in the UKs dishwasher, those two ninety
plusses never use it - it's simply a kitchen decoration

wrote:
> Now you see, that's the modern way in the USA, anything else is
> 'puffery' - whatever that is supposed to mean.

It means rich boarding school biotches like you get their souls torn to
shreds for eternity, duh!

wrote:
> you could run the dishwasher,
> take a bath all at the same time and


David would be flipping in his grave!!!!

Ophelia wrote:
> Cindy has said these are available in US though, so I guess folk haven't
> been interested enough to look into it.
>
> Perhaps some might do so now?

Why?

They struggle to survive in a market of CHOICE, capisce?

Maybe Obozo can issue another one of his Goddamned EOs and make the
silly things law.

On 1/29/2016 12:00 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 1/29/2016 9:56 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote
>
>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>
>>>> Indeed. But the self-heating of washer and dishwasher water, is yet
>>>> another difference between typical US and UK homes.
>>>
>>> They don't?? Blimey!
>>
>> So, how do you get the temp right for the type of stuff you are washing?
>
> The washing machine doesn't heat the water but it chooses how
> much hot or cold water to draw depending on how you set it.
>
> I don't remember having a dishwasher that didn't have a heating
> coil, I imagine they make them still.
>
> nancy

My dishwasher has a heating coil. I can choose different settings -
heavy duty, sanitary wash (extra hot, I suppose), heated dry settings, too.

We don't all own the same appliances with the same features. Not even
if we live in the same country.

Jill

wrote:
> I never examined my aunt in the UKs dishwasher,


And no gives a flying **** either!

jmcquown wrote:
> We don't all own the same appliances with the same features. Not even
> if we live in the same country.
>
> Jill

Really?

Seriously?

You mean it????

On 1/29/2016 12:30 PM, wrote:
> > wrote:

>> A UK dishwasher will have only a cold feed; a clothes washer _may_ have
>> both, but most only have a cold feed.
>
> Oh okay - I can have the dishwasher heat the water higher, but don't.
> The washer has cold/warm/hot settings but I doubt the hot is hotter
> than the tap provides.
>
Just like my US appliances.

Ophelia wrote:
> I am glad we can set the temp.

Before or AFTER you ask the berloody royals for their permission?

Gary wrote:
> Watched a very good show on PBS last night... Globe Trekker. Very
> good, imo.


Easily satisfied you are.

S Viemeister wrote:
> A UK dishwasher will have only a cold feed;

Just like yer typical limey bum-freezing flat - cold water and then some...

S Viemeister wrote:
> Some UK clothes washers have both hot and cold feeds (mine does, most
> new ones do not), but in general the hot is only used for a 'boil wash'.

WTF are you yellow-toothed cretins doing to your clothes that requires
THAT?!?!?

Norovirus much?

Gary wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>>> very often for weeks at
>>>> a time the night time temperatures dive to -40ºF.
>
> LOL! No it doesn't.
>

He has dreams of being a canucklehead.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> I don't live in Albany, I'm about an hour's drive southwest and

WHO THE **** CARES?!?!?!?!?!

Move back to Brokelyn, you pretend farmer.

wrote:
> I have the heat turned off

Canucklehead suicide play?

Ophelia wrote:
> So, how do you get the temp right for the type of stuff you are washing?

Dip a dwarf in and see if it scalds, then immerse and rinse.

Sqwertz wrote:
> Do you take medication for your pathological lying?
>
> -sw


Do you get charged with stalking for your criminal ABUSE of women?

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:48:24 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 1/29/2016 9:56 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote
>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
>>>> Indeed. But the self-heating of washer and dishwasher water, is yet
>>>> another difference between typical US and UK homes.
>>>
>>> They don't?? Blimey!
>>
>> So, how do you get the temp right for the type of stuff you are washing?
>>
>Cross your fingers and hope?

Most washers have a temperature control (typically Cold, Medium, Hot),
it's a mixing valve for the hot and cold input... mine has separate
settings for Wash and Rinse. My on demand tankless water heater can
be set to different temperatures in 5ºF increments up to 120ºF. The
installer suggested setting it to 115ºF and that's where it is, plenty
hot enough for showering, in fact I mix in a little cold or it's too
hot. Set at 115ºF there's never a worry about anyone scalding
themself and saves money by not over heating a big tank of water 24/7
and then needing to temper it with cold to make it usable.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:00:21 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 1/29/2016 9:56 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote
>
>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>
>>>> Indeed. But the self-heating of washer and dishwasher water, is yet
>>>> another difference between typical US and UK homes.
>>>
>>> They don't?? Blimey!
>>
>> So, how do you get the temp right for the type of stuff you are washing?
>
>The washing machine doesn't heat the water but it chooses how
>much hot or cold water to draw depending on how you set it.
>
>I don't remember having a dishwasher that didn't have a heating
>coil, I imagine they make them still.
>
>nancy

My Maytag heats teh water but they recommend running the water at the
kitchen sink until it's hot before turning on the washer so its
electric heater doesn't need to be on so long and the wash water will
be hotter.