Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like Jackson Hole !! Number 50
was New York. Lots of reasons it is last mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 3:20:57 PM UTC-6, rosie wrote:
> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like Jackson Hole !! Number 50
> was New York. Lots of reasons it is last mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.

Yes I am!! ASAP!!

John Kuthe...

"rosie" > wrote in message
...
> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to retire.
> Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like Jackson Hole !!
> Number 50
> was New York. Lots of reasons it is last mostly taxes, Texas where I am
> living was number 21. Has some good things, low taxes, some not so good...
> health Care.

Although I am already retired, I was going to wait to get my retirement.
But it looks like Sears Holdings isn't doing so well. I have been advised
to take it now. If I wait and they fold, the government will then take over
my pension and I'll only get half. I still won't be getting a lot because
the years I worked prior to age 25 don't count. But I am getting more than
I thought I would.

On 3/1/2016 4:20 PM, rosie wrote:

> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to
> retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like
> Jackson Hole !! Number 50 was New York. Lots of reasons it is last
> mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good
> things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>
LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
retire here.


--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 13:20:49 -0800 (PST), rosie >
wrote:

> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like Jackson Hole !! Number 50
> was New York. Lots of reasons it is last mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.

Where else should you avoid? The worst five, per Bankrate, we

50) New York
49) West Virginia
48) Oregon
47) Arkansas
46) Louisiana

In the event of a terminal illness, we're moving to Oregon and setting
up residency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_die

--

sf

On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 13:20:49 -0800 (PST), rosie >
wrote:

>Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like Jackson Hole !! Number 50
>was New York. Lots of reasons it is last mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.

One problem with these lists is that there is a tremendous variation
wtthin the states, whether ranked high or low. It makes a lot of
difference whether you retire to Junction, Tx., or Austin, or Houston
or San Antonio. Likewise, there is a great difference between Oregon
(and Washington) east and west. I'm puzzled about Wyoming, having
lived in western S. Dak. some time. Eastern Wyoming (Newcastle, for
example) seemed like the armpit of the world. Maybey there is a
nirvana to the west, but someone would have to convince me.

I'd second the move to Oregon if dying at a time in a way that you
choose is important. Perhaps the notion of personal automony will
spread as quickly as some other changes in social attitudes.

--bs

On 3/1/16 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:

> LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
> retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
> Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
> retire here.

My ex-boss and her husband split their time between Rehoboth Beach and
down here in Naples FL. Works great for them!

We've been here in Sarasota for three years now, and love it. But back
to DC this Sunday for a nasty cold week... 8

-- Larry

B Server wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 13:20:49 -0800 (PST), rosie >
> wrote:
>
>>Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like Jackson Hole !! Number 50
>>was New York. Lots of reasons it is last mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>
> One problem with these lists is that there is a tremendous variation
> wtthin the states, whether ranked high or low. It makes a lot of
> difference whether you retire to Junction, Tx., or Austin, or Houston
> or San Antonio. Likewise, there is a great difference between Oregon
> (and Washington) east and west. I'm puzzled about Wyoming, having
> lived in western S. Dak. some time. Eastern Wyoming (Newcastle, for
> example) seemed like the armpit of the world. Maybey there is a
> nirvana to the west, but someone would have to convince me.

I'm not sure if it qualifies as nirvana but the Bighorn National Forest
is pretty stunning

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 4:20:57 PM UTC-5, rosie wrote:
> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like Jackson Hole !! Number 50
> was New York. Lots of reasons it is last mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.

I'd love to retire, but my 401K isn't ready. No pension for me. I'll
stick it out another 8 years, if I can.

I plan on retiring right where I am. A few years ago AARP ranked Ann Arbor
pretty well for retirees.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 6:27:23 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> I'd love to retire, but my 401K isn't ready. No pension for me. I'll
> stick it out another 8 years, if I can.
>
> I plan on retiring right where I am. A few years ago AARP ranked Ann Arbor
> pretty well for retirees.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

In my opinion it doesn't get much better than Ann Arbor. Different but not better.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5, Helpful person wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 6:27:23 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > I'd love to retire, but my 401K isn't ready. No pension for me. I'll
> > stick it out another 8 years, if I can.
> >
> > I plan on retiring right where I am. A few years ago AARP ranked Ann Arbor
> > pretty well for retirees.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> In my opinion it doesn't get much better than Ann Arbor. Different but not better.
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com

Although Traverse city is pretty good.

B. Server wrote:
>
>One problem with these lists is that there is a tremendous variation
>wtthin the states, whether ranked high or low.

Very true... NYC is expensive and crowded but offers highly paid
employment, but I'd not want to retire there. Most people when
thinking of NY are thinking of NYC... they don't realize that most of
NYS is very rural, excellent for inexpensive living and uncrowded
peaceful retirement. There's ssomething to be said for quality of
life vs cost of living. After much consideration of several other
areas of the US where I retired to the Great Northern Catskills I have
the best of all worlds, gorgeous bucolic surroundings, relatively
inexpensive, yet only a two hour train ride downstate to the best
medical facilities on the planet, not to mention the finast cultural
events; museums, theater, shopping, restaurants, etc. I've been to
the western states many times, even test lived in a few for months at
a time. What I discovered is after experiencing their few main
attractions there was nothing else but utter boredom... if you need a
view of distant snowcapped mountains buy a large wall calender. I've
tried living in Carson City, NV, Kalispell, MT, and Sandpoint ID, in
fact I purchased an 80 acre piece of beautiful land just north of
Sandpoint with a view of Schweitzer Mountain
http://www.schweitzer.com/plan-your-vacation/sandpoint/
http://activerain.com/blogsview/2038...sandpoint-blog
but soon realized if I lived there I'd be at least a four hour drive
to a major hospital, and I'd be so far from everyone I know that no
one would visit. When considering retirement one must project
*honestly* how life will be in one's golden years, when one is no
longer young. I can still drive Idaho... my NY license plate is...
IDAHO 98... that's the year I had planned to retire there.

>It makes a lot of

>difference whether you retire to Junction, Tx., or Austin, or Houston
>or San Antonio. Likewise, there is a great difference between Oregon
>(and Washington) east and west. I'm puzzled about Wyoming, having
>lived in western S. Dak. some time. Eastern Wyoming (Newcastle, for
>example) seemed like the armpit of the world. Maybey there is a
>nirvana to the west, but someone would have to convince me.
>
>I'd second the move to Oregon if dying at a time in a way that you
>choose is important. Perhaps the notion of personal automony will
>spread as quickly as some other changes in social attitudes.
>
>--bs

On 3/1/2016 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 3/1/2016 4:20 PM, rosie wrote:
>
>> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to
>> retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like
>> Jackson Hole !! Number 50 was New York. Lots of reasons it is last
>> mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good
>> things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>>
> LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
> retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
> Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
> retire here.
>
Rosie didn't post the link to the list:

http://tinyurl.com/jxvrnbu

SC is a nice state. I've lived here twice, neither time really by
choice. I'm just a few miles from the beach. I'm not really a beach
person but it's there.

These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.

Jill

On 2016-03-03 10:01 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/1/2016 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 3/1/2016 4:20 PM, rosie wrote:
>>
>>> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to
>>> retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like
>>> Jackson Hole !! Number 50 was New York. Lots of reasons it is last
>>> mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good
>>> things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>>>
>> LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
>> retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
>> Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
>> retire here.
>>
> Rosie didn't post the link to the list:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/jxvrnbu
>
> SC is a nice state. I've lived here twice, neither time really by
> choice. I'm just a few miles from the beach. I'm not really a beach
> person but it's there.
>
> These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
> snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
> short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
> fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.


Rub it on. The snow in my yard is not melting.

On 3/2/2016 9:58 PM, Cheryl wrote:

>
> I'd love to retire now too. Too many games being played at work these days. I have 19 years in with my current employer and we just got sold so who knows what the future brings but I hope I can stick it out another 13 years. Right now that feels like an eternity.
>

Of course the new owner stated there would be NO changes and everything
will be just fine. That usually lasts 3 months and the stuff hits the
fan. Sometimes it is good though, hope it works for you.

I'm partially retired and still enjoy going to work. Hey, I'm at work
right now and posting here so how bad can it be?

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-03-03 10:01 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/1/2016 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 3/1/2016 4:20 PM, rosie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to
>>>> retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like
>>>> Jackson Hole !! Number 50 was New York. Lots of reasons it is last
>>>> mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good
>>>> things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>>>>
>>> LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
>>> retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
>>> Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
>>> retire here.
>>>
>> Rosie didn't post the link to the list:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/jxvrnbu
>>
>> SC is a nice state. I've lived here twice, neither time really by
>> choice. I'm just a few miles from the beach. I'm not really a beach
>> person but it's there.
>>
>> These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
>> snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
>> short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
>> fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.
>
>
> Rub it on. The snow in my yard is not melting.

I'm going to have to mow the lawn this weekend ... if it stops raining
long enough

On 3/3/2016 10:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-03-03 10:01 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/1/2016 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 3/1/2016 4:20 PM, rosie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to
>>>> retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like
>>>> Jackson Hole !! Number 50 was New York. Lots of reasons it is last
>>>> mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good
>>>> things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>>>>
>>> LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
>>> retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
>>> Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
>>> retire here.
>>>
>> Rosie didn't post the link to the list:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/jxvrnbu
>>
>> SC is a nice state. I've lived here twice, neither time really by
>> choice. I'm just a few miles from the beach. I'm not really a beach
>> person but it's there.
>>
>> These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
>> snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
>> short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
>> fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.
>
>
> Rub it on. The snow in my yard is not melting.
>
>
Sorry! I can't help that you're dealing with snow.

Jill

On 3/3/2016 10:43 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-03-03 10:01 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/1/2016 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>> On 3/1/2016 4:20 PM, rosie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to
>>>>> retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like
>>>>> Jackson Hole !! Number 50 was New York. Lots of reasons it is last
>>>>> mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good
>>>>> things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>>>>>
>>>> LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
>>>> retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
>>>> Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
>>>> retire here.
>>>>
>>> Rosie didn't post the link to the list:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/jxvrnbu
>>>
>>> SC is a nice state. I've lived here twice, neither time really by
>>> choice. I'm just a few miles from the beach. I'm not really a beach
>>> person but it's there.
>>>
>>> These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
>>> snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
>>> short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
>>> fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.
>>
>>
>> Rub it on. The snow in my yard is not melting.
>
> I'm going to have to mow the lawn this weekend ... if it stops raining
> long enough
>
>
The rainy season is about to start here... well, okay, in May. For now
it's just nice and mild. Don't have to run the heat, don't have to use
the AC. I had the windows open a couple of days ago when the temps got
up to 75F. It's not humid here yet. When the humidity hits you might
feel like you just got slapped in the face with a hot wet towel.

There are benefits and downsides to pretty much everywhere.

Jill

On 3/3/2016 10:30 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/2/2016 9:58 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd love to retire now too. Too many games being played at work these
>> days. I have 19 years in with my current employer and we just got sold
>> so who knows what the future brings but I hope I can stick it out
>> another 13 years. Right now that feels like an eternity.
>>
>
> Of course the new owner stated there would be NO changes and everything
> will be just fine. That usually lasts 3 months and the stuff hits the
> fan. Sometimes it is good though, hope it works for you.
>
I hope so, too.

The company I worked for in Tennessee was bought out many times.
Management turned over, good people left or were assigned different jobs
within the office. The last takeover, by Marsh & McClennan... yeah,
they said there would be no changes but of course there were.

They eliminated the hardware support department. Most of the folks saw
the end coming and got jobs at FedX or IBM. Marsh thought they'd do
better by having the hardware support group centralized in... um, the
World Trade Center in NYC. Ooops. Lost 295 colleagues when the towers
fell.

> I'm partially retired and still enjoy going to work. Hey, I'm at work
> right now and posting here so how bad can it be?
>
Not bad at all, Ed.

Jill

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 15:43:38 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

> I'm going to have to mow the lawn this weekend ... if it stops raining
> long enough

My yard is loving it. We've had the "just right" amount here (not to
much, not too little), and this storm should bring my local area
another 2 inches over the course of a week. It's predicted to rain
heavily in parts of the state, give the Sierras another foot of snow
and it's even supposed to reach SoCal this time around. The problem
will be flooding in areas where wild fires have ravaged the
topography. How's Washington doing? You had a lot of fires last
year, including the Olympic peninsula.

--

sf

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 11:28:48 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> Sorry! I can't help that you're dealing with snow.

That's what I hated about Michigan (humidity and biting bugs were high
on the list too). Snow on the ground in April and an occasional
snowfall too. There was always some snow on the ground until sometime
in May. Ugh. So glad I never see that stuff anymore unless I drive
to it.

--

sf

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:01:34 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 3/1/2016 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> > On 3/1/2016 4:20 PM, rosie wrote:
> >
> >> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to
> >> retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like
> >> Jackson Hole !! Number 50 was New York. Lots of reasons it is last
> >> mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good
> >> things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
> >>
> > LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
> > retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
> > Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
> > retire here.
> >
> Rosie didn't post the link to the list:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/jxvrnbu
>
> SC is a nice state. I've lived here twice, neither time really by
> choice. I'm just a few miles from the beach. I'm not really a beach
> person but it's there.
>
> These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
> snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
> short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
> fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.

All such decisions are subjective. I can't take the
heat; when it gets much above 75 F, I'm hiding in
the air-conditioned house.

Cindy Hamilton

On 3/3/2016 12:53 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:01:34 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
>> snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
>> short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
>> fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.
>
> All such decisions are subjective. I can't take the
> heat; when it gets much above 75 F, I'm hiding in
> the air-conditioned house.
>
Me, too.
The north coast of Scotland suits me just fine!

On 2016-03-03 11:31 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/3/2016 10:43 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2016-03-03 10:01 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 3/1/2016 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>> On 3/1/2016 4:20 PM, rosie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to
>>>>>> retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like
>>>>>> Jackson Hole !! Number 50 was New York. Lots of reasons it is last
>>>>>> mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good
>>>>>> things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
>>>>> retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
>>>>> Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
>>>>> retire here.
>>>>>
>>>> Rosie didn't post the link to the list:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/jxvrnbu
>>>>
>>>> SC is a nice state. I've lived here twice, neither time really by
>>>> choice. I'm just a few miles from the beach. I'm not really a beach
>>>> person but it's there.
>>>>
>>>> These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
>>>> snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
>>>> short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
>>>> fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rub it on. The snow in my yard is not melting.
>>
>> I'm going to have to mow the lawn this weekend ... if it stops raining
>> long enough
>>
>>
> The rainy season is about to start here... well, okay, in May. For now
> it's just nice and mild. Don't have to run the heat, don't have to use
> the AC. I had the windows open a couple of days ago when the temps got
> up to 75F. It's not humid here yet. When the humidity hits you might
> feel like you just got slapped in the face with a hot wet towel.
>
> There are benefits and downsides to pretty much everywhere.
>

True. We catch the tail end of a hurricane about once per life time.
Tornadoes are rare. No flooding, forest fires, earthquakes, plagues of
locusts. The last real blizzard was almost 40 years ago. We tolerate our
relative mild winters,

Well .... most of us do. I saw a woman out for a walk today and she was
dressed for the far north. She had on a parka with the hood up, a scarf
around her neck and partially covering her face. The rest of it was
covered with a bellaclava. It was -2 C, about 29 F. I couldn't help but
wonder what she would wear on a cold day.

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 17:24:00 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-03-03 11:31 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/3/2016 10:43 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2016-03-03 10:01 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 3/1/2016 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/1/2016 4:20 PM, rosie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to
>>>>>>> retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like
>>>>>>> Jackson Hole !! Number 50 was New York. Lots of reasons it is last
>>>>>>> mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good
>>>>>>> things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
>>>>>> retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
>>>>>> Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
>>>>>> retire here.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Rosie didn't post the link to the list:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/jxvrnbu
>>>>>
>>>>> SC is a nice state. I've lived here twice, neither time really by
>>>>> choice. I'm just a few miles from the beach. I'm not really a beach
>>>>> person but it's there.
>>>>>
>>>>> These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
>>>>> snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
>>>>> short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
>>>>> fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rub it on. The snow in my yard is not melting.
>>>
>>> I'm going to have to mow the lawn this weekend ... if it stops raining
>>> long enough
>>>
>>>
>> The rainy season is about to start here... well, okay, in May. For now
>> it's just nice and mild. Don't have to run the heat, don't have to use
>> the AC. I had the windows open a couple of days ago when the temps got
>> up to 75F. It's not humid here yet. When the humidity hits you might
>> feel like you just got slapped in the face with a hot wet towel.
>>
>> There are benefits and downsides to pretty much everywhere.
>>
>
>True. We catch the tail end of a hurricane about once per life time.
>Tornadoes are rare. No flooding, forest fires, earthquakes, plagues of
>locusts. The last real blizzard was almost 40 years ago. We tolerate our
>relative mild winters,
>
>Well .... most of us do. I saw a woman out for a walk today and she was
>dressed for the far north. She had on a parka with the hood up, a scarf
>around her neck and partially covering her face. The rest of it was
>covered with a bellaclava. It was -2 C, about 29 F. I couldn't help but
>wonder what she would wear on a cold day.

Well at least she didn't offend you by having any breast showing!

On 2016-03-03 5:29 PM, sputtered something stupid:

>> Well .... most of us do. I saw a woman out for a walk today and she was
>> dressed for the far north. She had on a parka with the hood up, a scarf
>> around her neck and partially covering her face. The rest of it was
>> covered with a bellaclava. It was -2 C, about 29 F. I couldn't help but
>> wonder what she would wear on a cold day.
>
> Well at least she didn't offend you by having any breast showing!

You could have at least put in a smiley face. Perhaps you can point out
where I said I was offended by anyone showing a breast.

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 5:39:21 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-03-03 5:29 PM, sputtered something stupid:
>
> >> Well .... most of us do. I saw a woman out for a walk today and she was
> >> dressed for the far north. She had on a parka with the hood up, a scarf
> >> around her neck and partially covering her face. The rest of it was
> >> covered with a bellaclava. It was -2 C, about 29 F. I couldn't help but
> >> wonder what she would wear on a cold day.
> >
> > Well at least she didn't offend you by having any breast showing!
>
> You could have at least put in a smiley face. Perhaps you can point out
> where I said I was offended by anyone showing a breast.

Then it would be considerd "nipply" weather!

John Kuthe...

On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 04:18:40 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

>B Server wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 13:20:49 -0800 (PST), rosie >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like Jackson Hole !! Number 50
>>>was New York. Lots of reasons it is last mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>>
>> One problem with these lists is that there is a tremendous variation
[...]
>> nirvana to the west, but someone would have to convince me.
>
>I'm not sure if it qualifies as nirvana but the Bighorn National Forest
>is pretty stunning
>

Oh there is no doubt that there is beautiful country there. 25-30
years ago, I backpacked in the Absarokas, Tetons, and Wind River
Range. But if they haven't alrready for you, I've noticed that those
mountains have gotten taller and steeper and the winters longer in the
last 30 years. In retirement, I'm pretty much going to be depending
on the advantages of civilization, that is, cities. So the
availability of good medical choices, a variety of restaurants and
well-stocked grocery and butcher shops, and good transportation to the
rest of the world all weigh heavily for me. For me, there has to be
something more than cowboy culture. There is no doubt the rural west
has changed a lot and you can listen to the locals cuss about the
Texans and Californians moving in pretty much in any state between the
two. I'm just not sure that I would want to join them permanently.

On 02/03/2016 7:58 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton > Wrote in message:
>
>>
>> I'd love to retire, but my 401K isn't ready. No pension for me. I'll
>> stick it out another 8 years, if I can.
>>
>> I plan on retiring right where I am. A few years ago AARP ranked Ann Arbor
>> pretty well for retirees.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
> I'd love to retire now too. Too many games being played at work these days. I have 19 years in with my current employer and we just got sold so who knows what the future brings but I hope I can stick it out another 13 years. Right now that feels like an eternity.
>
I missed the beginning of this thread as my ISP stopped usenet service
on March 1st and I'm still getting the hang of the new one.

At 72, I am faced with semi-retirement as the oil industry has suffered
an enormous collapse. Many of my contacts have been laid off and
technical budgets have been eliminated in favour of shareholder value. I
am still working infrequently on small projects as there are few workers
in my field. With the frequent gaps, I have tasted full retirement and
it's uncomfortable as the bigger projects were very stimulating but when
work appears now, I almost feel resentful at having to do it. I am
finding it very difficult to adjust.
I understand that it takes a good 18 months to adjust.
Graham

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 17:24:00 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-03-03 11:31 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/3/2016 10:43 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2016-03-03 10:01 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 3/1/2016 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/1/2016 4:20 PM, rosie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to
>>>>>>> retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like
>>>>>>> Jackson Hole !! Number 50 was New York. Lots of reasons it is last
>>>>>>> mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good
>>>>>>> things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
>>>>>> retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
>>>>>> Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
>>>>>> retire here.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Rosie didn't post the link to the list:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/jxvrnbu
>>>>>
>>>>> SC is a nice state. I've lived here twice, neither time really by
>>>>> choice. I'm just a few miles from the beach. I'm not really a beach
>>>>> person but it's there.
>>>>>
>>>>> These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
>>>>> snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
>>>>> short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
>>>>> fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rub it on. The snow in my yard is not melting.
>>>
>>> I'm going to have to mow the lawn this weekend ... if it stops raining
>>> long enough
>>>
>>>
>> The rainy season is about to start here... well, okay, in May. For now
>> it's just nice and mild. Don't have to run the heat, don't have to use
>> the AC. I had the windows open a couple of days ago when the temps got
>> up to 75F. It's not humid here yet. When the humidity hits you might
>> feel like you just got slapped in the face with a hot wet towel.
>>
>> There are benefits and downsides to pretty much everywhere.
>>
>
>True. We catch the tail end of a hurricane about once per life time.
>Tornadoes are rare. No flooding, forest fires, earthquakes, plagues of
>locusts. The last real blizzard was almost 40 years ago. We tolerate our
>relative mild winters,
>
>Well .... most of us do. I saw a woman out for a walk today and she was
>dressed for the far north. She had on a parka with the hood up, a scarf
>around her neck and partially covering her face. The rest of it was
>covered with a bellaclava. It was -2 C, about 29 F. I couldn't help but
>wonder what she would wear on a cold day.

Dave, I went for a walk today and had on a down coat, earmuffs, a
scarf, and mitts. As I always do when out for more than half an hour.
It was around -7, and there was a bit of wind.

Why the heck would anyone go out without warm clothing in this
country? If I start to get too cold, I won't get in the one-hour walk
I like to have every day.

Doris

On 3/3/16 9:54 PM, graham wrote:

> I understand that it takes a good 18 months to adjust.

Almost 70 here -- retired for four years now.

It took me almost 18 minutes to adjust, 8 and I haven't missed work
even once.

My co-workers, yes, but I still have lunch with them when we're up in
DC, and they visit here in FL.

-- Larry

On 3/3/2016 9:54 PM, graham wrote:

>
> At 72, I am faced with semi-retirement as the oil industry has suffered
> an enormous collapse.
snip
> I have tasted full retirement and
> it's uncomfortable as the bigger projects were very stimulating but when
> work appears now, I almost feel resentful at having to do it.


What caught my eye was your use of the word "stimulating". You may have
the same situation as I have. Work, as I know it, is not work. I like
what I do and get a sense of accomplishment at the end of a good day. I
also get to spend time with people that I enjoy spending time with.

Can you set your work time? Such as, you only work on projects Monday
and Tuesday, or only the first and third week of the month. If so, that
may alleviate the resentment you now get sometimes.

On 3/3/2016 12:53 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:01:34 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 3/1/2016 8:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 3/1/2016 4:20 PM, rosie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fortune Magazine just published a list of best and worst states to
>>>> retire. Number One is Wyoming !! Ouch , it doesn't all look like
>>>> Jackson Hole !! Number 50 was New York. Lots of reasons it is last
>>>> mostly taxes, Texas where I am living was number 21. Has some good
>>>> things, low taxes, some not so good... health Care.
>>>>
>>> LOL! My uncle posted that link on Facebook earlier. I would like to
>>> retire in SC near the ocean somewhere, and SC didn't score too badly.
>>> Maryland on the other hand was in the 40ths. So I don't think I'll
>>> retire here.
>>>
>> Rosie didn't post the link to the list:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/jxvrnbu
>>
>> SC is a nice state. I've lived here twice, neither time really by
>> choice. I'm just a few miles from the beach. I'm not really a beach
>> person but it's there.
>>
>> These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
>> snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
>> short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
>> fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.
>
> All such decisions are subjective. I can't take the
> heat; when it gets much above 75 F, I'm hiding in
> the air-conditioned house.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I definitely run the AC in the summer. But I don't miss having to
scrape ice off the windshield or shovel the walk (or use rock salt to
melt the ice on the walk) to get to my car. West TN often got
ice-storms rather than snow and those are definitely not fun.

I can handle 75°F easily if it's not humid. That temp is downright
pleasant until the humidity kicks in.

Jill

On 3/3/2016 2:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 3/3/2016 12:53 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:01:34 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>> These lists are always subjective. I wouldn't want to retire where it
>>> snows and ices (BTDT). Where I live (way down in SC) there's a very
>>> short winter. Great local produce, a good long growing season. Good
>>> fresh seafood, too. The azaelas in my yard are blooming.
>>
>> All such decisions are subjective. I can't take the
>> heat; when it gets much above 75 F, I'm hiding in
>> the air-conditioned house.
>>
> Me, too.
> The north coast of Scotland suits me just fine!
>
I've told this before, but when we got off the plane in Bangkok it was
so hot and humid I literally passed out. (I was nine years old.) My
mother was carrying me across the tarmac (no jet-ways back then) asking
if there was any water. (Don't drink the water!)

Dad had window air conditioners installed in the bedrooms of the house
he rented. I'd get sick from the heat on the bus ride coming home from
school. Had to go straight up to bed just to cool off. After about six
months I adjusted to the heat. That doesn't mean I like extreme heat.
You can become acclimated, though.

Jill

On 04/03/2016 7:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/3/2016 9:54 PM, graham wrote:
>
>>
>> At 72, I am faced with semi-retirement as the oil industry has suffered
>> an enormous collapse.
> snip
>> I have tasted full retirement and
>> it's uncomfortable as the bigger projects were very stimulating but when
>> work appears now, I almost feel resentful at having to do it.
>
>
> What caught my eye was your use of the word "stimulating". You may have
> the same situation as I have. Work, as I know it, is not work. I like
> what I do and get a sense of accomplishment at the end of a good day. I
> also get to spend time with people that I enjoy spending time with.
>
> Can you set your work time? Such as, you only work on projects Monday
> and Tuesday, or only the first and third week of the month. If so, that
> may alleviate the resentment you now get sometimes.

Over the last few years when I had a fair amount of work, I worked a
strict office day, starting at 8am. With the small projects that I get
from time to time, I do quit earlier in the afternoon and take Fridays off.
The resentment comes from the fact that having taken so much time off, I
have lost the energy to work at the pace I maintained in the past. I
suppose it's a bit like an athlete going to seed after he stops training
and playing. In my mid-60s, I was so busy that I worked 6-6.5 days/week,
entering the data into the PC after supper. I couldn't do that now, I think.
I live alone and I re-started my woodturning hobby that had to go on
hold for several years. I find it difficult to go and turn something as
I feel that I should be working.
Graham