I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to extreme
vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes, long story
short.

Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with the
Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed 'start',
it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes (and
counting).

This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to 'rest'
right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't even been
mixed together yet.

I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
explain why it should rest at the start like this?

NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the manual.

Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to extreme
> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes, long story
> short.
>
> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with the
> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed 'start',
> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes (and
> counting).
>
> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to 'rest'
> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't even been
> mixed together yet.
>
> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
>
> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the manual.

Probably has a mild pre-heat mode. Check the manual for that.

--

On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 18:20:04 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to extreme
>> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes, long story
>> short.
>>
>> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with the
>> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed 'start',
>> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes (and
>> counting).
>>
>> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to 'rest'
>> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't even been
>> mixed together yet.
>>
>> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
>> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
>>
>> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the manual.
>
>Probably has a mild pre-heat mode.

Ahh, never thought of that. Thanks!

>Check the manual for that.

Will try, it's not the best manual in the world. I'm still not sure
what it regards as a small, medium or large loaf - it doesn't seem to
explain it anywhere.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to extreme
> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes, long story
> short.
>
> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with the
> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed 'start',
> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes (and
> counting).
>
> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to 'rest'
> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't even been
> mixed together yet.
>
> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
>
> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the manual.

It is quite normal for that machine. I have the same model and it is
excellent

My user manual is fine. If yours is not try this:

http://www.manualslib.com/manual/649...c-Sd-2501.html

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On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 08:40:33 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to extreme
>> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes, long story
>> short.
>>
>> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with the
>> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed 'start',
>> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes (and
>> counting).
>>
>> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to 'rest'
>> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't even been
>> mixed together yet.
>>
>> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
>> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
>>
>> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the manual.
>
>It is quite normal for that machine. I have the same model and it is
>excellent

That's good news then, I can keep annoying you with silly questions

>My user manual is fine. If yours is not try this:
>
>http://www.manualslib.com/manual/649...c-Sd-2501.html

Thanks O. Pretty sure that is the same manual that I have, it has
plenty of bread recipes but it is the ready made bread mix I use where
it's hard to know what measurements to use.

For example, on the side of the bread mix bag there are measurements
for several Breville machines - for those the measurements are all the
same. It also lists a few Panasonic models (but not our model). Thing
is, for each Panasonic model there are quite large differences in the
measurements, especially for the water. I guess it's going to be a
case of a fair bit of trial and error.

Anyway, I made a loaf yesterday using my 'standard' mix for the
Breville - it came out 'ok' but it had risen a bit too much, making
the loaf an odd shape (the Breville's loaf is still usable if it rises
too much due to the shape of the tin).

I note that the Panasonic's paddle isn't collapsible either, making a
large hole in the loaf. Not only that but it puts it in the *middle*
of the loaf... the Breville does not do this.

The Panasonic also needs to be switched off at the wall when not in
use as it keeps itself warm to "stop condensation"... hmm, whatever...

I haven't given up on it yet and I'll try a few more loaves... but I
may have some more questions for you if that's okay

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 5:07:57 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to extreme
> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes, long story
> short.
>
> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with the
> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed 'start',
> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes (and
> counting).
>
> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to 'rest'
> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't even been
> mixed together yet.
>
> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
>
> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the manual.

There is nothing wrong with the machine. It just has more smarts than its user.
Many machines have a rest period before they get to work in order to equalize temperature of the added ingredients and bring up to "room temperature".
Bread mixes that you buy have their own instructions. If you can't adapt to your machine, don't blame the machine...use your brain...that is why GAWD gave it to you.
From what I have read, your machine has received rave reviews. The dealer may be able to advise you and certainly the company can. There are also "bread forums" where other users can assist you...GOOGLE might be your friend in that regard.
Carry on and have a lovely day munching on your homemade goodies.
====

On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 13:20:21 -0800 (PST), Roy >
wrote:

>On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 5:07:57 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to extreme
>> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes, long story
>> short.
>>
>> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with the
>> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed 'start',
>> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes (and
>> counting).
>>
>> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to 'rest'
>> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't even been
>> mixed together yet.
>>
>> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
>> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
>>
>> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the manual.
>
>There is nothing wrong with the machine. It just has more smarts than its user.
>Many machines have a rest period before they get to work in order to equalize temperature of the added ingredients and bring up to "room temperature".

I understand why it rests at the start now, thanks to Carol and
yourself.

>Bread mixes that you buy have their own instructions.

My bread mix does have instructions for a range of Breville and
Panasonic machines. Only problem is it doesn't list my machine, and
each Panasonic model takes significantly different quantities of
water. I'm going to have to do quite a few loaves by trial and error
to get the measurements right for this machine.

>If you can't adapt to your machine, don't blame the machine...use your brain...that is why GAWD gave it to you.

Really? Thanks, that never occurred to me <rolls eyes>.

>From what I have read, your machine has received rave reviews.

Which is why I bought it.

>The dealer may be able to advise you and certainly the company can. There are also "bread forums" where
>other users can assist you...

I haven't asked on any forums as yet, I thought I'd ask here first
since I'm always reading RFC anyway.

>GOOGLE might be your friend in that regard.

I can't ask on a food newsgroup?? I'm aware of google, 'thanks' again.

>Carry on and have a lovely day munching on your homemade goodies.

Thanks.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 08:40:33 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to extreme
>>> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes, long story
>>> short.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with the
>>> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed 'start',
>>> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes (and
>>> counting).
>>>
>>> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to 'rest'
>>> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't even been
>>> mixed together yet.
>>>
>>> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
>>> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
>>>
>>> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the manual.
>>
>>It is quite normal for that machine. I have the same model and it is
>>excellent
>
> That's good news then, I can keep annoying you with silly questions
>
>>My user manual is fine. If yours is not try this:
>>
>>http://www.manualslib.com/manual/649...c-Sd-2501.html
>
> Thanks O. Pretty sure that is the same manual that I have, it has
> plenty of bread recipes but it is the ready made bread mix I use where
> it's hard to know what measurements to use.

Does it give the measurement for the flour? Try that for the settings.


> For example, on the side of the bread mix bag there are measurements
> for several Breville machines - for those the measurements are all the
> same. It also lists a few Panasonic models (but not our model). Thing
> is, for each Panasonic model there are quite large differences in the
> measurements, especially for the water. I guess it's going to be a
> case of a fair bit of trial and error.

Do you have a lot of that mix to use up? Do try it with the ingredients
listed in the recipes. You will have so much more choice.


> Anyway, I made a loaf yesterday using my 'standard' mix for the
> Breville - it came out 'ok' but it had risen a bit too much, making
> the loaf an odd shape (the Breville's loaf is still usable if it rises
> too much due to the shape of the tin).

I haven't used mixes for mine. It is so simple to use the standard
ingredients. You will get used to the way you make it I make the dough
for my pizza in there too.

> I note that the Panasonic's paddle isn't collapsible either, making a
> large hole in the loaf. Not only that but it puts it in the *middle*
> of the loaf... the Breville does not do this.

Mind doesn't make much of a big hole so I don't bother, but you could take
it out once it has started to rise before it bakes.

I rarely let it bake a loaf (unless I am unwell) but I do make dough and
bake it (often as rolls) in the oven.

I usually make a 'starter' overnight and finish the dough for the rolls the
next day. The recipes are in the manual.


> The Panasonic also needs to be switched off at the wall when not in
> use as it keeps itself warm to "stop condensation"... hmm, whatever...

I hadn't noticed that. I always switch electric stuff off at the wall
anyway.

> I haven't given up on it yet and I'll try a few more loaves... but I
> may have some more questions for you if that's okay

No problem


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Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 18:20:04 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to
> extreme >> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes,
> long story >> short.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with
> the >> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed
> 'start', >> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes
> (and >> counting).
> >>
> >> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to
> 'rest' >> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't
> even been >> mixed together yet.
> >>
> >> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
> >> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
> >>
> >> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the
> manual.
> >
> > Probably has a mild pre-heat mode.
>
> Ahh, never thought of that. Thanks!
>
> > Check the manual for that.
>
> Will try, it's not the best manual in the world. I'm still not sure
> what it regards as a small, medium or large loaf - it doesn't seem to
> explain it anywhere.

Common is small is a 1lb, medium is a 1.5 lb and large is 2lb.

2 cups flour, 3 cups flour and 4 cups flour respectively for the most
part.

Carol

--

Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 08:40:33 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Jeßus" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to
> extreme >> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes,
> long story >> short.
> > >
> >> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with
> the >> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed
> 'start', >> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes
> (and >> counting).
> > >
> >> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to
> 'rest' >> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't
> even been >> mixed together yet.
> > >
> >> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
> >> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
> > >
> >> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the
> manual.
> >
> > It is quite normal for that machine. I have the same model and it
> > is excellent
>
> That's good news then, I can keep annoying you with silly questions
>
> > My user manual is fine. If yours is not try this:
> >
> > http://www.manualslib.com/manual/649...c-Sd-2501.html
>
> Thanks O. Pretty sure that is the same manual that I have, it has
> plenty of bread recipes but it is the ready made bread mix I use where
> it's hard to know what measurements to use.
>
> For example, on the side of the bread mix bag there are measurements
> for several Breville machines - for those the measurements are all the
> same. It also lists a few Panasonic models (but not our model). Thing
> is, for each Panasonic model there are quite large differences in the
> measurements, especially for the water. I guess it's going to be a
> case of a fair bit of trial and error.
>
> Anyway, I made a loaf yesterday using my 'standard' mix for the
> Breville - it came out 'ok' but it had risen a bit too much, making
> the loaf an odd shape (the Breville's loaf is still usable if it rises
> too much due to the shape of the tin).
>
> I note that the Panasonic's paddle isn't collapsible either, making a
> large hole in the loaf. Not only that but it puts it in the middle
> of the loaf... the Breville does not do this.
>
> The Panasonic also needs to be switched off at the wall when not in
> use as it keeps itself warm to "stop condensation"... hmm, whatever...
>
> I haven't given up on it yet and I'll try a few more loaves... but I
> may have some more questions for you if that's okay

Or ask me. I may not have your specific unit but I've been at it for a
long time. I mostly use dough only mode then rise and bake outside the
machine now.

One of the oddities of the Panasonic is wanting 2ts more water per cup
than other machines. That may be the variation you are seeing.

I don't use pre-mixes ($$$$) but am happy. I have used a few when
there was a good sale and overall, wasn't unhappy to just 'add water'.

Carol

--

On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 22:23:23 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 08:40:33 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>My user manual is fine. If yours is not try this:
>>>
>>>http://www.manualslib.com/manual/649...c-Sd-2501.html
>>
>> Thanks O. Pretty sure that is the same manual that I have, it has
>> plenty of bread recipes but it is the ready made bread mix I use where
>> it's hard to know what measurements to use.
>
>Does it give the measurement for the flour? Try that for the settings.

I'm sure it does, I'll take another look later.


>> For example, on the side of the bread mix bag there are measurements
>> for several Breville machines - for those the measurements are all the
>> same. It also lists a few Panasonic models (but not our model). Thing
>> is, for each Panasonic model there are quite large differences in the
>> measurements, especially for the water. I guess it's going to be a
>> case of a fair bit of trial and error.
>
>Do you have a lot of that mix to use up? Do try it with the ingredients
>listed in the recipes. You will have so much more choice.
>
>
>> Anyway, I made a loaf yesterday using my 'standard' mix for the
>> Breville - it came out 'ok' but it had risen a bit too much, making
>> the loaf an odd shape (the Breville's loaf is still usable if it rises
>> too much due to the shape of the tin).
>
>I haven't used mixes for mine. It is so simple to use the standard
>ingredients. You will get used to the way you make it I make the dough
>for my pizza in there too.

I was trying to avoid making my own mixes, but maybe I should...

>> I note that the Panasonic's paddle isn't collapsible either, making a
>> large hole in the loaf. Not only that but it puts it in the *middle*
>> of the loaf... the Breville does not do this.
>
>Mind doesn't make much of a big hole so I don't bother, but you could take
>it out once it has started to rise before it bakes.

Good idea, if I am in the house at the right time I can do that.

>I rarely let it bake a loaf (unless I am unwell) but I do make dough and
>bake it (often as rolls) in the oven.
>
>I usually make a 'starter' overnight and finish the dough for the rolls the
>next day. The recipes are in the manual.

This is something I'll get around to at some point so I can make
decent garlic bread.

I cut a slice from that first loaf I made the other day, it was
actually quite good... maybe a *tad* too doughy, but not by much.

The research continues... I might try another loaf today. Thanks
again.

Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 13:20:21 -0800 (PST), Roy >
> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 5:07:57 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
> >> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to
> extreme >> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes,
> long story >> short.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with
> the >> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed
> 'start', >> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes
> (and >> counting).
> >>
> >> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to
> 'rest' >> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't
> even been >> mixed together yet.
> >>
> >> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
> >> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
> >>
> >> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the
> manual.
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with the machine. It just has more smarts
> > than its user. Many machines have a rest period before they get to
> > work in order to equalize temperature of the added ingredients and
> > bring up to "room temperature".
>
> I understand why it rests at the start now, thanks to Carol and
> yourself.
>
> > Bread mixes that you buy have their own instructions.
>
> My bread mix does have instructions for a range of Breville and
> Panasonic machines. Only problem is it doesn't list my machine, and
> each Panasonic model takes significantly different quantities of
> water. I'm going to have to do quite a few loaves by trial and error
> to get the measurements right for this machine.
>
> > If you can't adapt to your machine, don't blame the machine...use
> > your brain...that is why GAWD gave it to you.
>
> Really? Thanks, that never occurred to me <rolls eyes>.
>
> > From what I have read, your machine has received rave reviews.
>
> Which is why I bought it.
>
> > The dealer may be able to advise you and certainly the company can.
> > There are also "bread forums" where other users can assist you...
>
> I haven't asked on any forums as yet, I thought I'd ask here first
> since I'm always reading RFC anyway.

Best one for this alt.bread.recipes

Some here are there too but it's a clean group with just bread talk
other than 2 stray idiots who posted about 2 weeks ago.

On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 12:42:32 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 18:20:04 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to
>> extreme >> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes,
>> long story >> short.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use with
>> the >> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I pressed
>> 'start', >> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past 15 minutes
>> (and >> counting).
>> >>
>> >> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to
>> 'rest' >> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water haven't
>> even been >> mixed together yet.
>> >>
>> >> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can anyone
>> >> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
>> >>
>> >> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the
>> manual.
>> >
>> > Probably has a mild pre-heat mode.
>>
>> Ahh, never thought of that. Thanks!
>>
>> > Check the manual for that.
>>
>> Will try, it's not the best manual in the world. I'm still not sure
>> what it regards as a small, medium or large loaf - it doesn't seem to
>> explain it anywhere.
>
>Common is small is a 1lb, medium is a 1.5 lb and large is 2lb.
>
>2 cups flour, 3 cups flour and 4 cups flour respectively for the most
>part.

Thanks, I've been making 1.5lb loaves so far. I guess 2lb is out of
the question with this machine because my first loaf @ 1.5lb rose well
out of the tin.

On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 12:58:13 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> I haven't given up on it yet and I'll try a few more loaves... but I
>> may have some more questions for you if that's okay
>
>Or ask me.

Thanks.

>I may not have your specific unit but I've been at it for a
>long time. I mostly use dough only mode then rise and bake outside the
>machine now.

I'll be doing that come autumn in my wood stove or fire (with oven)
but it's still too warm here to have a fire running all the time. So
for now I'll let the Panasonic do the lot.

>One of the oddities of the Panasonic is wanting 2ts more water per cup
>than other machines. That may be the variation you are seeing.

Yes, and even amongst individual Panasonic models the amount of water
varies, which threw me quite a bit.

>I don't use pre-mixes ($$$$) but am happy. I have used a few when
>there was a good sale and overall, wasn't unhappy to just 'add water'.

We have a large flour mill in Launceston with a retail outlet and I'm
not sure I can actually make my own mixes cheaper than the pre-made
mixes.

On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 13:02:51 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> I haven't asked on any forums as yet, I thought I'd ask here first
>> since I'm always reading RFC anyway.
>
>Best one for this alt.bread.recipes
>
>Some here are there too but it's a clean group with just bread talk
>other than 2 stray idiots who posted about 2 weeks ago.

Yes! Forgot about that ng, I'll subscribe to it, thanks again.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...

>>Does it give the measurement for the flour? Try that for the settings.
>
> I'm sure it does, I'll take another look later.
>
>
> I was trying to avoid making my own mixes, but maybe I should...

At least give it a try. Once you are familiar with the 'usual' ingredients
you will be able to work better with your mix.

The extras I buy are wheat flakes and mixed seeds

I mix them in with anything really ... strong white flour ... whole meal
flour ... a mix of both ..

I am down in the caravan on the farm in N. Yorks atm and I have one of the
smaller Panasonics and it is just as good.

Today I made one with mixed flour with added seeds and wheat flakes and it
good)

I keep a smaller machine here simply because of size. I only make loaves
here because of the rubbish oven

Back in the day I used to make bread here in a Dutch oven on the hob but
eventually I found my little Panasonic)

>>Mind doesn't make much of a big hole so I don't bother, but you could take
>>it out once it has started to rise before it bakes.
>
> Good idea, if I am in the house at the right time I can do that.

If I make a loaf I always make a v. large loaf so the paddle isn't so
important.


>>I usually make a 'starter' overnight and finish the dough for the rolls
>>the
>>next day. The recipes are in the manual.
>
> This is something I'll get around to at some point so I can make
> decent garlic bread.

Once you start to use your own ingredients and have a look through the
recipes on your book ... heh the world is your loaf ... <g> Soon enough
you won't need to worry about the recipes.... you will be making your own
garlic bread)


> The research continues... I might try another loaf today. Thanks
> again.

You are very welcome) Do report back

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Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 12:42:32 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 18:20:04 -0600, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>
> >> > Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >
> >> >> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to
> >> extreme >> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes,
> >> long story >> short.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use
> with >> the >> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I
> pressed >> 'start', >> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past
> 15 minutes >> (and >> counting).
> >> >>
> >> >> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to
> >> 'rest' >> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water
> haven't >> even been >> mixed together yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can
> anyone >> >> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
> >> >>
> >> >> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the
> >> manual.
> >> >
> >> > Probably has a mild pre-heat mode.
> >>
> >> Ahh, never thought of that. Thanks!
> >>
> >> > Check the manual for that.
> >>
> >> Will try, it's not the best manual in the world. I'm still not sure
> >> what it regards as a small, medium or large loaf - it doesn't seem
> to >> explain it anywhere.
> >
> > Common is small is a 1lb, medium is a 1.5 lb and large is 2lb.
> >
> > 2 cups flour, 3 cups flour and 4 cups flour respectively for the
> > most part.
>
> Thanks, I've been making 1.5lb loaves so far. I guess 2lb is out of
> the question with this machine because my first loaf @ 1.5lb rose well
> out of the tin.

Welcome! Did you mention the version of Panasonic? I can back track
from there probably. Sorry if I missed you mentioning it.

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On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 14:45:59 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 12:42:32 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 18:20:04 -0600, "cshenk" >
>> wrote: >>
>> >> > Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I bought this a few weeks ago and have put off using it due to
>> >> extreme >> vagueness/info on measurements when using bread mixes,
>> >> long story >> short.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anyway, I decided to just try my standard measurements I use
>> with >> the >> Breville. No problem there, it's all set to go and I
>> pressed >> 'start', >> it's been sitting in 'rest' mode for the past
>> 15 minutes >> (and >> counting).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This last bit has me puzzled... why on earth would it need to
>> >> 'rest' >> right at the start - the bread mix, yeast and water
>> haven't >> even been >> mixed together yet.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm no expert by any means when it comes to baking, but can
>> anyone >> >> explain why it should rest at the start like this?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> NB: The machine is definitely set correctly according to the
>> >> manual.
>> >> >
>> >> > Probably has a mild pre-heat mode.
>> >>
>> >> Ahh, never thought of that. Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> > Check the manual for that.
>> >>
>> >> Will try, it's not the best manual in the world. I'm still not sure
>> >> what it regards as a small, medium or large loaf - it doesn't seem
>> to >> explain it anywhere.
>> >
>> > Common is small is a 1lb, medium is a 1.5 lb and large is 2lb.
>> >
>> > 2 cups flour, 3 cups flour and 4 cups flour respectively for the
>> > most part.
>>
>> Thanks, I've been making 1.5lb loaves so far. I guess 2lb is out of
>> the question with this machine because my first loaf @ 1.5lb rose well
>> out of the tin.
>
>Welcome! Did you mention the version of Panasonic? I can back track
>from there probably. Sorry if I missed you mentioning it.

The model is a SD-2501. I made another loaf yesterday, used the same
amount of yeast and water, and cut back the bread mix to 500g from
600g... a better result this time which I was fairly happy with. I'll
cut back the water next time to 340ml and see what happens.

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:00:19 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>>>Does it give the measurement for the flour? Try that for the settings.
>>
>> I'm sure it does, I'll take another look later.
>>
>>
>> I was trying to avoid making my own mixes, but maybe I should...
>
>At least give it a try. Once you are familiar with the 'usual' ingredients
>you will be able to work better with your mix.
>
>The extras I buy are wheat flakes and mixed seeds
>
>I mix them in with anything really ... strong white flour ... whole meal
>flour ... a mix of both ..
>
>I am down in the caravan on the farm in N. Yorks atm and I have one of the
>smaller Panasonics and it is just as good.
>
>Today I made one with mixed flour with added seeds and wheat flakes and it
>good)
>
>I keep a smaller machine here simply because of size. I only make loaves
>here because of the rubbish oven
>
>Back in the day I used to make bread here in a Dutch oven on the hob but
>eventually I found my little Panasonic)
>
>>>Mind doesn't make much of a big hole so I don't bother, but you could take
>>>it out once it has started to rise before it bakes.
>>
>> Good idea, if I am in the house at the right time I can do that.
>
>If I make a loaf I always make a v. large loaf so the paddle isn't so
>important.
>
>
>>>I usually make a 'starter' overnight and finish the dough for the rolls
>>>the
>>>next day. The recipes are in the manual.
>>
>> This is something I'll get around to at some point so I can make
>> decent garlic bread.
>
>Once you start to use your own ingredients and have a look through the
>recipes on your book ... heh the world is your loaf ... <g> Soon enough
>you won't need to worry about the recipes.... you will be making your own
>garlic bread)
>
>
>> The research continues... I might try another loaf today. Thanks
>> again.
>
>You are very welcome) Do report back

The loaves are getting better... one is just done now and although I
havent sliced into it yet, I think this is the best loaf so far from
either bread maker.

I used:

400g wholemeal bread mix
100g white bread mix
1.5 tsp yeast
250ml water

Used (Panasonic) Menu 4 with dark crust.
------------------------------

I cut back by 10ml on the water and cut the yeast back by ½ tsp from
last time, also changed the ratio of white/wholemeal bread mix...
might just be perfect now.

So now I'm quite happy with the Panasonic. It *does* make a better
loaf than the Breville, albeit it takes much longer <shrug> but that
doesn't really much matter I guess.

I also made up some deviled prawn paste (leftover prawns from last
night's dinner). Also a bigger batch of deviled ham. So I will make
some sammies shortly for lunch using all of the above.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...

> The loaves are getting better... one is just done now and although I
> havent sliced into it yet, I think this is the best loaf so far from
> either bread maker.
>
> I used:
>
> 400g wholemeal bread mix
> 100g white bread mix
> 1.5 tsp yeast
> 250ml water
>
> Used (Panasonic) Menu 4 with dark crust.
> ------------------------------
>
> I cut back by 10ml on the water and cut the yeast back by ½ tsp from
> last time, also changed the ratio of white/wholemeal bread mix...
> might just be perfect now.

My go to recipe:

Large Menu 4
1tsp yeast
1 ½ tsp sugar
500g flour (any mix but often 1/2 white 1/2 wholemeal)
1 ¼ tsp salt
3 tblsp seeds
½ cup wheat flakes
3 tblsp oil
370 ml water

This might help with your ratios. Yes, I had cut my water down too. You
won't find this in the book btw, just one of my experiments.

This works well for the dough recipe too and I bake it in the oven as rolls.

What is in your bread mix? Does it not have yeast in it? As you can see I
am using much less yeast for a much larger quantity.

> So now I'm quite happy with the Panasonic. It *does* make a better
> loaf than the Breville, albeit it takes much longer <shrug> but that
> doesn't really much matter I guess.

The timing doesn't bother me. If you wanted it faster you could just use
the dough setting to make rolls and bake in the oven.

> I also made up some deviled prawn paste (leftover prawns from last
> night's dinner). Also a bigger batch of deviled ham. So I will make
> some sammies shortly for lunch using all of the above.

I think you will enjoy them very much))

I am very pleased you happy with it your machine

I have the much smaller model down here too but using the same mixtures I
use for the big one.

For eons I made all my breads by hand but in recent years when I became ill
I bought the breadmaker. My oven down here is rubbish for bread (it just
doesn't get hot enough) and during the time we travelled with D's work I
used to make bread in a Dutch oven on the hob. This wee bread maker is so
much easier) I wish I had known about breadmakers then

Anyway ... Enjoy and let me know how it goes!


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