"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:59:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:05:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
> wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 13:28:44 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I NEVER said it was the flavour in the finished product. In fact, I
>>>>>>stated it is salty. All I was commenting on is Ophelia has posted
>>>>>>many,
>>>>>>many times about not even wanting a whisper of any kind of pepper in
>>>>>>their food. Therefore, I doubt she would like corned beef from
>>>>>>scratch
>>>>>>simply because it includes <gasp> pepper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jill
>>>>>
>>>>> O for gods sake! You`re so petty - I thought you were working 9-5
>>>>> these days, with no time to spare for ngs.
>>>>
>>>>Never let it be said that McBitch has no time to spare for bitching at
>>>>me.
>>>
>>> lol
>>
>>Someone else will now be searching frantically through every post I ever
>>made to see if I have *ever* mentioned corned beef in the past and if I
>>have, will post reams and reams of copies ...
>
> I'm sure McBiddy is chomping at the bit

No, no, not that one ...

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On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:49:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:59:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:05:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
> wrote in message
om...

>>>>>> O for gods sake! You`re so petty - I thought you were working 9-5
>>>>>> these days, with no time to spare for ngs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Never let it be said that McBitch has no time to spare for bitching at
>>>>>me.
>>>>
>>>> lol
>>>
>>>Someone else will now be searching frantically through every post I ever
>>>made to see if I have *ever* mentioned corned beef in the past and if I
>>>have, will post reams and reams of copies ...
>>
>> I'm sure McBiddy is chomping at the bit
>
>No, no, not that one ...

The plot thickens. Who's McBitch then?

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On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:54:40 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>Are you saying it is not necessary to use it. I do know that saltpetre is
>a preservative but is it only for the colour in this recipe?
>
>Thanks, I will look around

Absolutely not necessary, as long as you can handle the gray meat.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:49:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:59:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:05:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:tqbudb1bcpfrgpr9vlqirqb4ci5s3sqhce@4ax. com...
>
>>>>>>> O for gods sake! You`re so petty - I thought you were working 9-5
>>>>>>> these days, with no time to spare for ngs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Never let it be said that McBitch has no time to spare for bitching at
>>>>>>me.
>>>>>
>>>>> lol
>>>>
>>>>Someone else will now be searching frantically through every post I ever
>>>>made to see if I have *ever* mentioned corned beef in the past and if I
>>>>have, will post reams and reams of copies ...
>>>
>>> I'm sure McBiddy is chomping at the bit
>>
>>No, no, not that one ...
>
> The plot thickens. Who's McBitch then?
>

The one to whom I responded. I am speaking about another one who likes to
copy my old posts.


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"The New Other Guy" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:54:40 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>Are you saying it is not necessary to use it. I do know that saltpetre
>>is
>>a preservative but is it only for the colour in this recipe?
>>
>>Thanks, I will look around
>
> Absolutely not necessary, as long as you can handle the gray meat.

I guess it will look odd, but a good gravy would hide that


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On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 10:21:35 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:49:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:59:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:05:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:tqbudb1bcpfrgpr9vlqirqb4ci5s3sqhce@4ax .com...
>>
>>>>>>>> O for gods sake! You`re so petty - I thought you were working 9-5
>>>>>>>> these days, with no time to spare for ngs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Never let it be said that McBitch has no time to spare for bitching at
>>>>>>>me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lol
>>>>>
>>>>>Someone else will now be searching frantically through every post I ever
>>>>>made to see if I have *ever* mentioned corned beef in the past and if I
>>>>>have, will post reams and reams of copies ...
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure McBiddy is chomping at the bit
>>>
>>>No, no, not that one ...
>>
>> The plot thickens. Who's McBitch then?
>>
>
>The one to whom I responded. I am speaking about another one who likes to
>copy my old posts.

Oh, my good friend Lucretia.

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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 10:21:35 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:49:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:59:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:6kdudb1rclokv8m8crplhsmfld9bm1mh4u@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:05:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:tqbudb1bcpfrgpr9vlqirqb4ci5s3sqhce@4a x.com...
>>>
>>>>>>>>> O for gods sake! You`re so petty - I thought you were working 9-5
>>>>>>>>> these days, with no time to spare for ngs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Never let it be said that McBitch has no time to spare for bitching
>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Someone else will now be searching frantically through every post I
>>>>>>ever
>>>>>>made to see if I have *ever* mentioned corned beef in the past and if
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>have, will post reams and reams of copies ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure McBiddy is chomping at the bit
>>>>
>>>>No, no, not that one ...
>>>
>>> The plot thickens. Who's McBitch then?
>>>
>>
>>The one to whom I responded. I am speaking about another one who likes to
>>copy my old posts.
>
> Oh, my good friend Lucretia.

I have never seen her do that???? Try again. I really am surprised you
didn't get it in one. Who was so desperate that she posted reams of my old
posts?


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On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 11:00:41 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 10:21:35 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:49:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:59:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:6kdudb1rclokv8m8crplhsmfld9bm1mh4u@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:05:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:tqbudb1bcpfrgpr9vlqirqb4ci5s3sqhce@4 ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> O for gods sake! You`re so petty - I thought you were working 9-5
>>>>>>>>>> these days, with no time to spare for ngs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Never let it be said that McBitch has no time to spare for bitching
>>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Someone else will now be searching frantically through every post I
>>>>>>>ever
>>>>>>>made to see if I have *ever* mentioned corned beef in the past and if
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>have, will post reams and reams of copies ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure McBiddy is chomping at the bit
>>>>>
>>>>>No, no, not that one ...
>>>>
>>>> The plot thickens. Who's McBitch then?
>>>>
>>>
>>>The one to whom I responded. I am speaking about another one who likes to
>>>copy my old posts.
>>
>> Oh, my good friend Lucretia.
>
>I have never seen her do that???? Try again. I really am surprised you
>didn't get it in one. Who was so desperate that she posted reams of my old
>posts?

Lol, ok I'll try again. I only see Lucretia and McBiddy in the text
above, but if it's not them, it must be Mrs Bucket.

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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 11:00:41 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 10:21:35 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:49:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:51qvdb9ml6nh95861vj95bmt1la65andg5@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:59:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:6kdudb1rclokv8m8crplhsmfld9bm1mh4u@4a x.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:05:06 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:tqbudb1bcpfrgpr9vlqirqb4ci5s3sqhce@ 4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> O for gods sake! You`re so petty - I thought you were working
>>>>>>>>>>> 9-5
>>>>>>>>>>> these days, with no time to spare for ngs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Never let it be said that McBitch has no time to spare for
>>>>>>>>>>bitching
>>>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Someone else will now be searching frantically through every post I
>>>>>>>>ever
>>>>>>>>made to see if I have *ever* mentioned corned beef in the past and
>>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>have, will post reams and reams of copies ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure McBiddy is chomping at the bit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, no, not that one ...
>>>>>
>>>>> The plot thickens. Who's McBitch then?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The one to whom I responded. I am speaking about another one who likes
>>>>to
>>>>copy my old posts.
>>>
>>> Oh, my good friend Lucretia.
>>
>>I have never seen her do that???? Try again. I really am surprised you
>>didn't get it in one. Who was so desperate that she posted reams of my old
>>posts?
>
> Lol, ok I'll try again. I only see Lucretia and McBiddy in the text
> above, but if it's not them, it must be Mrs Bucket.

Bingo!
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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...

> Of course it depends on what one means by corned beef from "scratch...
> could be from raw beef to already corned but raw to fully cooked to
> opening a tin.

I mean from raw beef.

For corning raw beef from scratch the main ingredients
> are salts, can even omit nitrite if one doen't mind greyish beef. One
> can see red pepper flakes is listed last so there's very little, and
> even most can be winnowed out with gentle blowing... or is that
> genital blowing? heh

You will have to ask Jill about the latter since she made a big deal of it
in an earlier post but I am very interested in what you say about not having
to use spices.


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On 3/9/2016 5:21 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "The New Other Guy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:54:40 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are you saying it is not necessary to use it. I do know that
>>> saltpetre
>>> is
>>> a preservative but is it only for the colour in this recipe?
>>>
>>> Thanks, I will look around
>>
>> Absolutely not necessary, as long as you can handle the gray meat.
>
> I guess it will look odd, but a good gravy would hide that
>
>
Gravy on corned beef?

Jill

On 03/08/2016 12:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Whirled Peas" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> . . . or, just leave it out. Saltpetre was there to preserve meat on long
>> voyages (several months) on wooden sailing ships. These days, we can keep
>> it under refrigeration until needed. The trade-off is the lack of that
>> unique shade of pink we associate with corned beef. It will be grey
>> instead, but taste almost exactly the same. I'd prefer to leave out
>> nitrates/nitrites from my food, if I can.
>
> Interesting, thanks! So, do you have a recipe which leaves out that stuff?
>
I think Carol has the nitrate-free corned beef recipes covered very
well. I defer to her.

Wikipedia says that saltpetre was the main preservative used from the
Medieval era until sometime in the 1700s. It will inhibit the growth of
the botulism bacteria also. Unfortunately, nitrates/nitrites are linked
to cancer.

"Whirled Peas" > wrote in message
...
> On 03/08/2016 12:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Whirled Peas" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> . . . or, just leave it out. Saltpetre was there to preserve meat on
>>> long
>>> voyages (several months) on wooden sailing ships. These days, we can
>>> keep
>>> it under refrigeration until needed. The trade-off is the lack of that
>>> unique shade of pink we associate with corned beef. It will be grey
>>> instead, but taste almost exactly the same. I'd prefer to leave out
>>> nitrates/nitrites from my food, if I can.
>>
>> Interesting, thanks! So, do you have a recipe which leaves out that
>> stuff?
>>
> I think Carol has the nitrate-free corned beef recipes covered very well.
> I defer to her.
>
> Wikipedia says that saltpetre was the main preservative used from the
> Medieval era until sometime in the 1700s. It will inhibit the growth of
> the botulism bacteria also. Unfortunately, nitrates/nitrites are linked to
> cancer.

Thanks for your comments. I agree about preservatives and avoid them
whenever possible

I have a good recipe from sf in which the sodium nitrite is optional so that
is perfect for me.

Thank you again for your input it was most appreciated))


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On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 7:06:43 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> Has anyone made this from scratch? If so, please would you share a recipe.
> I have seen them on line but prefer a tried and tested.


I liked the recipe in "White Trash Cooking" by Ernie Mickler, and I've used it twice. (Though I suspect you'll want it done more from scratch than this - grin. BTW, I used bacon instead of fatback.)

https://books.google.com/books?id=5N...ing%22&f=false

Check out "Jail House Chili" on the preceding page, too. (Haven't tried it yet.)

Yes, some of the recipes would not be very appealing to many people here, unless they grew up with them (I certainly didn't), but others, I think, are pretty darn good.

There's a sequel, too!

Sadly, Mickler died in 1988, in Moccasin Branch, Florida. From his NYT obit:

....As for the book's title, which offended some readers, Mr. Mickler explained: ''There's white trash and there's White Trash. Manners and pride separate the two.'' Mr. Mickler clearly relished being among the latter...


Lenona.

> wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 7:06:43 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>> Has anyone made this from scratch? If so, please would you share a
>> recipe.
>> I have seen them on line but prefer a tried and tested.
>
>
> I liked the recipe in "White Trash Cooking" by Ernie Mickler, and I've
> used it twice. (Though I suspect you'll want it done more from scratch
> than this - grin. BTW, I used bacon instead of fatback.)
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=5N...ing%22&f=false
>
> Check out "Jail House Chili" on the preceding page, too. (Haven't tried it
> yet.)
>
> Yes, some of the recipes would not be very appealing to many people here,
> unless they grew up with them (I certainly didn't), but others, I think,
> are pretty darn good.
>
> There's a sequel, too!
>
> Sadly, Mickler died in 1988, in Moccasin Branch, Florida. From his NYT
> obit:
>
> ...As for the book's title, which offended some readers, Mr. Mickler
> explained: ''There's white trash and there's White Trash. Manners and
> pride separate the two.'' Mr. Mickler clearly relished being among the
> latter...

LOL well I don't know if I am perceived as White Trash or not, but I can't
say I care much))

I don't have the book so I don't know how to 'check out ... on the previous
page ...' unless you have the secret way to unlock it)

Yes, I do cook everything I can from scratch, because I think it is better
for our health, besides which I enjoy it)




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Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 7:06:43 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>>> Has anyone made this from scratch? If so, please would you share a
>>> recipe.
>>> I have seen them on line but prefer a tried and tested.
>>
>>
>> I liked the recipe in "White Trash Cooking" by Ernie Mickler, and I've
>> used it twice. (Though I suspect you'll want it done more from scratch
>> than this - grin. BTW, I used bacon instead of fatback.)
>>
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=5N...ing%22&f=false
>>
>> Check out "Jail House Chili" on the preceding page, too. (Haven't tried it
>> yet.)
>>
>> Yes, some of the recipes would not be very appealing to many people here,
>> unless they grew up with them (I certainly didn't), but others, I think,
>> are pretty darn good.
>>
>> There's a sequel, too!
>>
>> Sadly, Mickler died in 1988, in Moccasin Branch, Florida. From his NYT
>> obit:
>>
>> ...As for the book's title, which offended some readers, Mr. Mickler
>> explained: ''There's white trash and there's White Trash. Manners and
>> pride separate the two.'' Mr. Mickler clearly relished being among the
>> latter...
>
> LOL well I don't know if I am perceived as White Trash or not, but I can't
> say I care much))

you don't have white trash -- you have oiks

"tert in seattle" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 7:06:43 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> Has anyone made this from scratch? If so, please would you share a
>>>> recipe.
>>>> I have seen them on line but prefer a tried and tested.
>>>
>>>
>>> I liked the recipe in "White Trash Cooking" by Ernie Mickler, and I've
>>> used it twice. (Though I suspect you'll want it done more from scratch
>>> than this - grin. BTW, I used bacon instead of fatback.)
>>>
>>> https://books.google.com/books?id=5N...ing%22&f=false
>>>
>>> Check out "Jail House Chili" on the preceding page, too. (Haven't tried
>>> it
>>> yet.)
>>>
>>> Yes, some of the recipes would not be very appealing to many people
>>> here,
>>> unless they grew up with them (I certainly didn't), but others, I think,
>>> are pretty darn good.
>>>
>>> There's a sequel, too!
>>>
>>> Sadly, Mickler died in 1988, in Moccasin Branch, Florida. From his NYT
>>> obit:
>>>
>>> ...As for the book's title, which offended some readers, Mr. Mickler
>>> explained: ''There's white trash and there's White Trash. Manners and
>>> pride separate the two.'' Mr. Mickler clearly relished being among the
>>> latter...
>>
>> LOL well I don't know if I am perceived as White Trash or not, but I
>> can't
>> say I care much))
>
> you don't have white trash -- you have oiks

LOL well I am definitely NOT an oik)))


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On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 3:34:43 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
https://books.google.com/books?id=5N...ing%22&f=false
> >
> > Check out "Jail House Chili" on the preceding page, too. (Haven't tried it
> > yet.)
> >
> > Yes, some of the recipes would not be very appealing to many people here,
> > unless they grew up with them (I certainly didn't), but others, I think,
> > are pretty darn good.

>
> LOL well I don't know if I am perceived as White Trash or not, but I can't
> say I care much))
>
> I don't have the book so I don't know how to 'check out ... on the previous
> page ...' unless you have the secret way to unlock it)


Um, once you click on the link, just scroll upwards a little. What did you see when you clicked?


Lenona.

On 3/8/2016 1:06 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> Has anyone made this from scratch? If so, please would you share a
> recipe. I have seen them on line but prefer a tried and tested.
>
>
>

I wish I could get some brisket around here. For some reason, we don't
eat the stuff on this rock. The times that I have been able to get some,
I'd roast it in a slow oven. It comes out just wonderful. I'd have some
reservation about pickling meat in a brine unless I had too. That
doesn't seem like a very nice thing to do to a beautiful piece of meat.

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 3/8/2016 6:28 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 3/8/2016 8:35 AM, wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 11:06:34 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Has anyone made this from scratch? If so, please would you
> > > > > share a recipe. I have seen them on line but prefer a tried
> > > > > and tested.
> > > >
> > > > Haven't done it for years but it's really not difficult, just
> > > > pick the one with the most ingredients you like.
> > > >
> > > Seems she asks this question every year. She and "himself" likely
> > > wouldn't enjoy it because making corned beef includes the use of
> > > pickling spice which includes flaked red pepper, at least in the
> > > USA. And some black peppercorns. She and himself don't like
> > > anything with even a hint of pepper. Or so she's said.
> > >
> > > http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes...d_corned_beef/
> > >
> > > OMG, red pepper flakes and 1 Tbs. whole black peppercorns. With a
> > > five pound brisket cooked in water.
> > >
> > > Truly, I doubt Ophelia and her kin would like corned beef brisket
> > > even though it is more salty than peppery. They seem to dislike
> > > even a whif of pepper in anything.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > There are other versions s I sent the gamut of them that I have.
> >
> >
> >
> Everyone has posted tons of links over the last few years. She keeps
> asking this question but obviously pays no mind to the answers.
>
> Jill

Maybe part of the problem is posting LINKS instead of actual recipes
people have tried? I added I had not tried the recipes I posted but
looked them over and they seemed valid.



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Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Of course it depends on what one means by corned beef from
> > "scratch... could be from raw beef to already corned but raw to
> > fully cooked to opening a tin.
>
> I mean from raw beef.
>
> For corning raw beef from scratch the main ingredients
> > are salts, can even omit nitrite if one doen't mind greyish beef.
> > One can see red pepper flakes is listed last so there's very
> > little, and even most can be winnowed out with gentle blowing... or
> > is that genital blowing? heh
>
> You will have to ask Jill about the latter since she made a big deal
> of it in an earlier post but I am very interested in what you say
> about not having to use spices.

Ok, reading up but i used at least 4 with raw beef, It seemed what you
needed.

1 uses Kosher aalt and another table salt.
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Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>
> "The New Other Guy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:01:10 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks, Ed. I will do that! I have something I was sent from
> > > Canada a few
> > > years ago that sounds similar, and when I get home I will get
> > > back to you on
> > > that. Might it have been prontocure? I am not sure and won't be
> > > home for a
> > > week or so, so I will have to get back to you.
> >
> > Saltpeter is actually sodium nitrate, and it's primary use in curing
> > corned beef is just to retain the pink coloring.
> >
> > If you enter saltpeter on Amazon, you'll get many choices.
>
> Are you saying it is not necessary to use it. I do know that
> saltpetre is a preservative but is it only for the colour in this
> recipe?
>
> Thanks, I will look around

It is not needed. Hopefuly ypu got the ones i posted but i saved them
if needed again.



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On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:20:47 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

> I am very interested in what you say about not having
> to use spices.

Did you open the Ruhlman link I gave you?

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On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 19:01:57 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Maybe part of the problem is posting LINKS instead of actual recipes
> people have tried? I added I had not tried the recipes I posted but
> looked them over and they seemed valid.

RFC would be the last place I'd ask anything like that. I posted a
Michael Ruhlman link, and he is well respected in the culinary world.

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On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 10:21:39 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "The New Other Guy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:54:40 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Are you saying it is not necessary to use it. I do know that saltpetre
> >>is
> >>a preservative but is it only for the colour in this recipe?
> >>
> >>Thanks, I will look around
> >
> > Absolutely not necessary, as long as you can handle the gray meat.
>
> I guess it will look odd, but a good gravy would hide that

Corned beef isn't served with gravy.

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On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:47:05 -0800, Whirled Peas >
wrote:

> Unfortunately, nitrates/nitrites are linked
> to cancer.

She has never eaten corned beef and cooks from scratch, so it's safe
to say that she'll be fine. However, she may need to watch the amount
of celery she eats.


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On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 20:14:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

> I have a good recipe from sf in which the sodium nitrite is optional so that
> is perfect for me.

The recipe calls for celery. Sodium nitrate occurs naturally in foods
like spinach, carrots and celery, but it has not been proven to cause
cancer.

http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> LOL well I don't know if I am perceived as White Trash or not, but I can't
> say I care much))

There ya go, especially with who would be doing the perceiving.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:20:47 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> I am very interested in what you say about not having
>> to use spices.
>
> Did you open the Ruhlman link I gave you?

I did and I have copied the recipe.

I will be buying brisket when we get home.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 10:21:39 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "The New Other Guy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 08:54:40 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Are you saying it is not necessary to use it. I do know that
>> >>saltpetre
>> >>is
>> >>a preservative but is it only for the colour in this recipe?
>> >>
>> >>Thanks, I will look around
>> >
>> > Absolutely not necessary, as long as you can handle the gray meat.
>>
>> I guess it will look odd, but a good gravy would hide that
>
> Corned beef isn't served with gravy.

LOL well I've never had real corned beef, only canned and I must agree, I
wouldn't serve that with gravy


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 20:14:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> I have a good recipe from sf in which the sodium nitrite is optional so
>> that
>> is perfect for me.
>
> The recipe calls for celery. Sodium nitrate occurs naturally in foods
> like spinach, carrots and celery, but it has not been proven to cause
> cancer.
>
> http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/

Interesting, thanks

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> wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 3:34:43 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> https://books.google.com/books?id=5N...ing%22&f=false
>> >
>> > Check out "Jail House Chili" on the preceding page, too. (Haven't tried
>> > it
>> > yet.)
>> >
>> > Yes, some of the recipes would not be very appealing to many people
>> > here,
>> > unless they grew up with them (I certainly didn't), but others, I
>> > think,
>> > are pretty darn good.
>
>>
>> LOL well I don't know if I am perceived as White Trash or not, but I
>> can't
>> say I care much))
>>
>> I don't have the book so I don't know how to 'check out ... on the
>> previous
>> page ...' unless you have the secret way to unlock it)
>
>
> Um, once you click on the link, just scroll upwards a little. What did you
> see when you clicked?

A book for sale.
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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> LOL well I don't know if I am perceived as White Trash or not, but I
>> can't
>> say I care much))
>
> There ya go, especially with who would be doing the perceiving.

Hahahaha oh yes!!! )



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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:47:05 -0800, Whirled Peas >
> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, nitrates/nitrites are linked
>> to cancer.
>
> She has never eaten corned beef and cooks from scratch, so it's safe
> to say that she'll be fine. However, she may need to watch the amount
> of celery she eats.

We don't like it so ...

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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/8/2016 1:06 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> Has anyone made this from scratch? If so, please would you share a
>> recipe. I have seen them on line but prefer a tried and tested.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I wish I could get some brisket around here. For some reason, we don't eat
> the stuff on this rock. The times that I have been able to get some, I'd
> roast it in a slow oven. It comes out just wonderful. I'd have some
> reservation about pickling meat in a brine unless I had too. That doesn't
> seem like a very nice thing to do to a beautiful piece of meat.

I don't have any problem finding brisket. It can even be found in any
supermarket.

If I could send you some I would)



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On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:30:27 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>>> I guess it will look odd, but a good gravy would hide that
>>
>> Corned beef isn't served with gravy.
>
>LOL well I've never had real corned beef, only canned and I must agree, I
>wouldn't serve that with gravy

I don't put gravy on corned beef, but if someone else wants it served
that way, more power to them.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:48:55 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>I don't have any problem finding brisket. It can even be found in any
>supermarket.
>
>If I could send you some I would)

I haven't, YET, made corned beef from scratch, but one of these days.

I need a large cooler, a freezer FULL of ice, AND the brisket,
and the bigger the better. Whole, of course.

Once its ready, I'll FIND some way to cook it, even if I have to
cut it up a lot.

"The New Other Guy" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:48:55 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>I don't have any problem finding brisket. It can even be found in any
>>supermarket.
>>
>>If I could send you some I would)
>
> I haven't, YET, made corned beef from scratch, but one of these days.
>
> I need a large cooler, a freezer FULL of ice, AND the brisket,
> and the bigger the better. Whole, of course.
>
> Once its ready, I'll FIND some way to cook it, even if I have to
> cut it up a lot.
>

I will be buying a piece of Brisket when I get home, but I doubt I will buy
one more than 3lbs.
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On 3/10/2016 6:03 AM, The New Other Guy wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:30:27 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>>> I guess it will look odd, but a good gravy would hide that
>>>
>>> Corned beef isn't served with gravy.
>>
>> LOL well I've never had real corned beef, only canned and I must agree, I
>> wouldn't serve that with gravy
>
> I don't put gravy on corned beef, but if someone else wants it served
> that way, more power to them.
>
Corned beef brisket pretty much tastes like the canned stuff. What type
of gravy would you suggest?

Jill

"The New Other Guy" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:30:27 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>>> I guess it will look odd, but a good gravy would hide that
>>>
>>> Corned beef isn't served with gravy.
>>
>>LOL well I've never had real corned beef, only canned and I must agree, I
>>wouldn't serve that with gravy
>
> I don't put gravy on corned beef, but if someone else wants it served
> that way, more power to them.

Don't worry, I have just been put right! <g> I've only ever had the tinned
stuff before and no, I wouldn't put gravy on that)



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