Cheri wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
> > nothing for all that.
>
> My God. If that was in the USA, you would face a bill of (just
> guessing) over $20K.
> ===========
>
> Are you kidding? Well over $75,000.00 would be more like it.

I believe you, Cheri. I'm just medical-billing challenged. 4 days in
ICU would certainly run it up quite a bit.

On 2016-04-10 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>> nothing for all that.
>
> My God. If that was in the USA, you would face a bill of (just
> guessing) over $20K.

At the time, bypass surgery here was $10,000 for those you are not
covered by the government plan. In the US it was $20,000, and that is
just the surgery. Hospital room and medication would be extra.

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Cheri wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
> > nothing for all that.
>
> My God. If that was in the USA, you would face a bill of (just
> guessing) over $20K.
> ===========
>
> Are you kidding? Well over $75,000.00 would be more like it.

I believe you, Cheri. I'm just medical-billing challenged. 4 days in
ICU would certainly run it up quite a bit.
==========

My dh took a fall four or so years ago, he went to emergency, had a cat scan,
stitches in his eye, and treatment for assorted scrapes and bruises, stayed for
four hours total, the bill was $23,000.00 billed out to Medicare. Thankfully, we
had a pretty small co-pay in all of it considering the size of the bill, but I
spent 13 years without insurance, so I feel your pain. The only upside is that a
person finds out that the body is pretty good at healing itself, and there are
no hypochondriacs running to the doctor every time they sneeze among the average
uninsured person. :-)

Cheri

"MisterDiddyWahDiddy" > wrote in message
news:d11e6ca7-c60a-49a6-8310-

> I don't believe that you really couldn't afford the premiums with the
> subsidy. You just choose to be a freeloader. If you get some major
> illness, cancer, heart attack, whatever, do you think that society will
> just let you die with no medical care? Of course not. They'll treat
> you anyway, and the cost will be absorbed by those of us who *do* pay
> for insurance, and by the taxpayers.

> --Bryan

You are such a no-nothing dumpster diving dolt!

Cheri

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:18:44 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Gary" wrote in message ...
>
>Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>> >
>> > I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>> > nothing for all that.
>>
>> My God. If that was in the USA, you would face a bill of (just
>> guessing) over $20K.
>> ===========
>>
>> Are you kidding? Well over $75,000.00 would be more like it.
>
>I believe you, Cheri. I'm just medical-billing challenged. 4 days in
>ICU would certainly run it up quite a bit.
>==========
>
>My dh took a fall four or so years ago, he went to emergency, had a cat scan,
>stitches in his eye, and treatment for assorted scrapes and bruises, stayed for
>four hours total, the bill was $23,000.00 billed out to Medicare. Thankfully, we
>had a pretty small co-pay in all of it considering the size of the bill, but I
>spent 13 years without insurance, so I feel your pain. The only upside is that a
>person finds out that the body is pretty good at healing itself, and there are
>no hypochondriacs running to the doctor every time they sneeze among the average
>uninsured person. :-)
>
>Cheri
Your prices seem way out of line to me. I went to the Emergency Room
last fall because I thought I was having a DVT issue. I was there a
couple of hours, saw a doctor a couple of times, was hooked up for IV,
had a blood test and the bill was a little over $400. I don't
remember what the billing was when I was in the hospital one week in
ICU and another in the heart unit, had surgery, plenty of tests but it
was well under $100,000. Of course, this is a non-profit hospital --
maybe that makes a difference. This isn't a podunk hospital.
Janet US

On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
> nothing for all that.
>
>

How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on income?

On 4/10/2016 7:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
> nothing for all that.

So all your fellow citizens could pony up...

On 10/04/2016 9:39 AM, Janet B wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:18:44 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>>
>> Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>>>> nothing for all that.
>>>
>>> My God. If that was in the USA, you would face a bill of (just
>>> guessing) over $20K.
>>> ===========
>>>
>>> Are you kidding? Well over $75,000.00 would be more like it.
>>
>> I believe you, Cheri. I'm just medical-billing challenged. 4 days in
>> ICU would certainly run it up quite a bit.
>> ==========
>>
>> My dh took a fall four or so years ago, he went to emergency, had a cat scan,
>> stitches in his eye, and treatment for assorted scrapes and bruises, stayed for
>> four hours total, the bill was $23,000.00 billed out to Medicare. Thankfully, we
>> had a pretty small co-pay in all of it considering the size of the bill, but I
>> spent 13 years without insurance, so I feel your pain. The only upside is that a
>> person finds out that the body is pretty good at healing itself, and there are
>> no hypochondriacs running to the doctor every time they sneeze among the average
>> uninsured person. :-)
>>
>> Cheri
> Your prices seem way out of line to me. I went to the Emergency Room
> last fall because I thought I was having a DVT issue. I was there a
> couple of hours, saw a doctor a couple of times, was hooked up for IV,
> had a blood test and the bill was a little over $400. I don't
> remember what the billing was when I was in the hospital one week in
> ICU and another in the heart unit, had surgery, plenty of tests but it
> was well under $100,000. Of course, this is a non-profit hospital --
> maybe that makes a difference. This isn't a podunk hospital.
> Janet US
>
My new grand-daughters spent time in the NICU, the younger one nearly 4
months. With the emergency C-section my DIL had, I dread to think what
that lot would have cost in the USA.
Graham

On 10/04/2016 9:58 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>> nothing for all that.
>>
>>
>
> How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on income?
>
Nothing directly out of pocket. It's government funded, therefore it
comes out of tax revenue.
It's far more efficient and cheaper that way.
Graham

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 10:35:40 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> On 4/10/2016 7:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
> > nothing for all that.
>
> So all your fellow citizens could pony up...

And I was proud to contribute taxes so that he could get medi-care.
One for all and all for one, we are our brother's keeper.
====

On 4/10/2016 8:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-04-10 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>>> nothing for all that.
>>
>> My God. If that was in the USA, you would face a bill of (just
>> guessing) over $20K.
>
> At the time, bypass surgery here was $10,000 for those you are not
> covered by the government plan. In the US it was $20,000, and that is
> just the surgery. Hospital room and medication would be extra.
>
>
That's the cost of a real medical system, not some statist, low rent
scam that chases physicians away.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/do...ortage-canada/

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/f...139/story.html

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.c...age-worsening/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...tage-1.3186094

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/11...octor-shortage

On 4/10/2016 9:06 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> While Americans get all the bad news about our government program, we
> get lots of horror stories about


Bugger off canucklehead!


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/do...ortage-canada/

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/f...139/story.html

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.c...age-worsening/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...tage-1.3186094

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/11...octor-shortage

On 4/10/2016 9:27 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "MisterDiddyWahDiddy" > wrote in message
> news:d11e6ca7-c60a-49a6-8310-
>
>> I don't believe that you really couldn't afford the premiums with the
>> subsidy. You just choose to be a freeloader. If you get some major
>> illness, cancer, heart attack, whatever, do you think that society will
>> just let you die with no medical care? Of course not. They'll treat
>> you anyway, and the cost will be absorbed by those of us who *do* pay
>> for insurance, and by the taxpayers.
>
>> --Bryan
>
> You are such a no-nothing dumpster diving dolt!
>
> Cheri

What she said!

On 4/10/2016 9:58 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>> nothing for all that.
>>
>>
>
> How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on income?
>
Take a gander at their cost pf living up there.

Not so good.

http://canadianimmigrant.ca/guides/m...n-major-cities


https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/oh...110000828.html


The True North may be strong but it isnt exactly free. At least, not
from a household finance perspective.
Last winter, a British economic research group concluded that the cost
of living in the UK is 11% higher than the international average and 18%
costlier than living in the United States.
No surprise there, right? We have all heard stories or had our own
experiences of shockingly high prices for drinks or hotel rooms in
London. If youve ever rented a car in the UK or Europe then you know
our price of gas in North America, while crazy-making, is comparatively
nothing to complain about. And we nearly all have a cousin or friend or
friend-of-a-friend who lives in the UK and pays an exorbitant rent for a
very small flat with only occasionally reliable hot water.
And thats why we choose to live large and comfortably on the cheap here
in Canada, right?

The loonie truth
Not so fast. Looking at the same OECD (Organisation for Economic
Co-operation and Development) data that the British group analyzed, it
becomes apparent that as costly as it is to live in Britain, Canada is
still costlier. Whaa---at?
Yup. Good ol Canada was revealed to have a cost of living 11% higher
than Britain. Which means, living in our home and native land costs us a
whopping 22% more than the international average. Now theres a bit of a
shocker, eh?

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:58:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>> nothing for all that.
>>
>>
>
>How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on income?

Based on spending - a sales tax gets it so the more you have to spend,
the more you support it. Someone like me who buys a Mazda 2 pays much
less than the person buying a Merc.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 06:57:20 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
> > nothing for all that.
>
> My God. If that was in the USA, you would face a bill of (just
> guessing) over $20K.
> ===========
>
> Are kidding? Well over $75,000.00 would be more like it.
>
Agree. Maybe more.


--

sf

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 09:45:29 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>> nothing for all that.
>
>My God. If that was in the USA, you would face a bill of (just
>guessing) over $20K.
>
>That night 7.5 years ago that I had severe asthma and was stuck
>sitting on the toilet all night - very labored breathing and even a 7
>step walk to the phone to call for help would have killed me. After
>spending about 8 hours on the damn toilet with very labored breathing
>all night, I was finally healed enough to get up, dressed, and I drove
>to a "minor emergency clinic." Very labored breathing even for that.
>
>As soon as they heard that I had no insurance, they treated me quite
>shabbily (imo). They didn't want me there and acted like I was some
>bum off the street after free medical care. I was told that the doctor
>was running a bit late and I should go to the emergency room.

A clinic would not have told you to drive to the ER, they would have
called an ambulance.

>I told
>them that I was doing ok just sitting there and waiting but to get up
>again would be a hardship. I'm not leaving.
>
>So then she told me, "You know, this could be expensive"
>I told her, "I've got money, I'll pay for this today"
>She still didn't seem convinced. Again, I was made to feel like some
>bum.
>
>So I finally got to see the doctor. They treated me there and I was
>good to go plus I got prescriptions. Funny how just 1/2 hour treatment
>in the doctors office fixed me when I really almost died of asthma
>attack

That's why you need medication at home, you should have an Albuterol
Sulphate inhaler on you at all times, and a nebulizer at home... with
a neb treatment at home you'd be fine in ten minutes.

>just hours earlier in the bathroom and then ferrets in cage
>would have died too, if I did.
>
>Doctor visit was $75 plus treatment...total $150. No big deal and I
>paid before I left.
>If I had gone to the hospital's emergency room for that, it would have
>cost way over $1000.

Had you dialed 911 an ambulance would have arrived and the EMTs would
have treated you and/or brought you to the ER. If you had no
insurance they'd still have to treat you.
If you're an Asthmatic why didn't you have a rescue inhaler?
You really shouldn't have driven a car in your condition... don't you
have a neighor who could drive you in an emergency?
Why don't you have medical insurance, if you're over 55 you can get a
very inexpensive plan through AARP... it would cover your Asthma meds.
which aren't very expensive to begin with, the pharmaceutical
companies will supply meds for free too, and your primary care doctor
has samples, ask. With AARP insurance many of the basic Asthma meds
are free, no co-pay... it's a lot less expensive to give you a dollars
worth of meds for free than paying your hospital bills. Sitting on
the toilet all night struggling to breathe is a definite indication of
mental illness.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:18:44 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>
> Cheri wrote:
> >
> > "Gary" wrote in message ...
> >
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
> > > nothing for all that.
> >
> > My God. If that was in the USA, you would face a bill of (just
> > guessing) over $20K.
> > ===========
> >
> > Are you kidding? Well over $75,000.00 would be more like it.
>
> I believe you, Cheri. I'm just medical-billing challenged. 4 days in
> ICU would certainly run it up quite a bit.
> ==========
>
> My dh took a fall four or so years ago, he went to emergency, had a cat scan,
> stitches in his eye, and treatment for assorted scrapes and bruises, stayed for
> four hours total, the bill was $23,000.00 billed out to Medicare. Thankfully, we
> had a pretty small co-pay in all of it considering the size of the bill, but I
> spent 13 years without insurance, so I feel your pain. The only upside is that a
> person finds out that the body is pretty good at healing itself, and there are
> no hypochondriacs running to the doctor every time they sneeze among the average
> uninsured person. :-)
>
Just the cost of an ambulance ride alone is horrible. Almost 30 years
ago, it was at $600. I shudder to think what they bill now.


--

sf

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 09:48:09 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 10:35:40 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On 4/10/2016 7:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>> > nothing for all that.
>>
>> So all your fellow citizens could pony up...
>
>And I was proud to contribute taxes so that he could get medi-care.
>One for all and all for one, we are our brother's keeper.
>====

Correct, even a street person is guaranteed medical attention.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 07:42:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:16:42 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2016-04-10 8:35 AM, wrote:
> > > On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 22:09:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Anytime the USA tries to bring in universal health care the insurance
> > > companies spring into action. We watched that happen in 1968 when
> > > Canada switched to health care and again when Hillary Clinton was
> > > crossing the USA in Bills time trying to come up with a good plan
> > > everyone liked.
> > >
> > > One of the favourite insurance company ads was to show a Canadian
> > > woman who claimed she had a brain tumour and could not get it taken
> > > out here so she paid a ransom to have it done in the US. The truth
> > > was, her tumour was benign and her Ontario doctors felt it was best to
> > > leave it since it was no longer growing, rather than chance operating
> > > on her brain and possibly doing some damage in the process.
> > >
> > > There were plenty of others but I forget them now, they were so
> > > laughable. I am just thankful that no matter what health problems hit
> > > me, it won't cost me a dime, other than perhaps parking for the car.
> >
> > The insurance companies are lobbying hard to prevent them from losing a
> > very profitable business. There are lots of stories about wait times
> > and services that are unavailable. The only one that seems to have much
> > credibility is the shortage of MRI facilities.
> >
> > When I had my heart issue, which seemed to be no big deal when it
> > started, the delay was my fault for not contacting my doctor before he
> > went on vacation. I went to a walk in clinic and saw a doctor within 10
> > minutes. He sent me to the hospital because it was a weekend and they
> > could do the tests that day. I was seen by a doctor within 15 minutes
> > and spent a day there while they did tests and then repeated them. No
> > heart attack and no immediate concerns, but was told to follow up with
> > my doctor. When he got back from vacation I got in to see him. He
> > referred me to a cardiologist and saw him within a week, and he booked
> > be for angiography which happened within two weeks. They found a
> > blockage and ran into problems clearing it out so I had emergency
> > surgery. It took about an hour to get me prepped and a teach together.
> >
> > I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
> > nothing for all that.
>
> Of course, if you have good insurance, health care in the U.S. is quite
> reasonably priced. Four days in the hospital for my husband resulted in
> some trivial co-pays. It probably didn't amount to more than $200 all told.
> I have no idea how much the stay cost the insurance company, as we never
> saw a bill that didn't say "You own $50" or somesuch.
>
Fortunately we haven't had a need to hospital care in years, but our
medication bill tells us how much we've saved right on the receipt.
Hubby makes a small co-pay for one drug that is $400 a refill.

--

sf

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:01:17 -0600, carnal asada >
wrote:

>On 4/10/2016 9:58 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>>> nothing for all that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on income?
>>
>Take a gander at their cost pf living up there.
>
>Not so good.
>
>http://canadianimmigrant.ca/guides/m...n-major-cities
>
>
>https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/oh...110000828.html
>
>
>The True North may be strong but it isn’t exactly free. At least, not
>from a household finance perspective.
>Last winter, a British economic research group concluded that the cost
>of living in the UK is 11% higher than the international average and 18%
>costlier than living in the United States.
>No surprise there, right? We have all heard stories or had our own
>experiences of shockingly high prices for drinks or hotel rooms in
>London. If you’ve ever rented a car in the UK or Europe then you know
>our price of gas in North America, while crazy-making, is comparatively
>nothing to complain about. And we nearly all have a cousin or friend or
>friend-of-a-friend who lives in the UK and pays an exorbitant rent for a
>very small flat with only occasionally reliable hot water.
>And that’s why we choose to live large and comfortably on the cheap here
>in Canada, right?
>
>The loonie truth
>Not so fast. Looking at the same OECD (Organisation for Economic
>Co-operation and Development) data that the British group analyzed, it
>becomes apparent that as costly as it is to live in Britain, Canada is
>still costlier. Whaa---at?
>Yup. Good ol’ Canada was revealed to have a cost of living 11% higher
>than Britain. Which means, living in our home and native land costs us a
>whopping 22% more than the international average. Now there’s a bit of a
>shocker, eh?
>
Well worth it considering we KNOW you don't live here!

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:30:18 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> +10,000, and screw him, his brain is befogged by all the filth he spews.

His brain is befogged, and therefore he spews filth.

--

sf

On 10/04/2016 11:15 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On 4/10/2016 11:07 AM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:58:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was
>>>> billed
>>>> nothing for all that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on
>>> income?
>>
>> Based on spending - a sales tax gets it so the more you have to spend,
>> the more you support it. Someone like me who buys a Mazda 2 pays much
>> less than the person buying a Merc.
>

> According to data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information, as

> The Fraser Institute of Canada

Neither of those sources is credible! They are far RW "Think tanks" that
want to privatize everything and take us back to Victorian times!
Graham

On 10/04/2016 11:12 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On 4/10/2016 10:48 AM, Roy wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 10:35:40 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2016 7:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was
>>>> billed
>>>> nothing for all that.
>>>
>>> So all your fellow citizens could pony up...
>>
>> And I was proud to contribute taxes so that he could get medi-care.
>> One for all and all for one, we are our brother's keeper.
>> ====
>>
> According to data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information, as

> The Fraser Institute of Canada

Neither of those sources is credible! They are far RW "Think tanks" that
want to privatize everything and take us back to Victorian times!
Graham

On 4/10/2016 11:18 AM, wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:01:17 -0600, carnal asada >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/10/2016 9:58 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>>>> nothing for all that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on income?
>>>
>> Take a gander at their cost pf living up there.
>>
>> Not so good.
>>
>> http://canadianimmigrant.ca/guides/m...n-major-cities
>>
>>
>> https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/oh...110000828.html
>>
>>
>> The True North may be strong but it isn’t exactly free. At least, not
>>from a household finance perspective.
>> Last winter, a British economic research group concluded that the cost
>> of living in the UK is 11% higher than the international average and 18%
>> costlier than living in the United States.
>> No surprise there, right? We have all heard stories or had our own
>> experiences of shockingly high prices for drinks or hotel rooms in
>> London. If you’ve ever rented a car in the UK or Europe then you know
>> our price of gas in North America, while crazy-making, is comparatively
>> nothing to complain about. And we nearly all have a cousin or friend or
>> friend-of-a-friend who lives in the UK and pays an exorbitant rent for a
>> very small flat with only occasionally reliable hot water.
>> And that’s why we choose to live large and comfortably on the cheap here
>> in Canada, right?
>>
>> The loonie truth
>> Not so fast. Looking at the same OECD (Organisation for Economic
>> Co-operation and Development) data that the British group analyzed, it
>> becomes apparent that as costly as it is to live in Britain, Canada is
>> still costlier. Whaa---at?
>> Yup. Good ol’ Canada was revealed to have a cost of living 11% higher
>> than Britain. Which means, living in our home and native land costs us a
>> whopping 22% more than the international average. Now there’s a bit of a
>> shocker, eh?
>>
> Well worth it considering we KNOW you don't live here!
>

Shut your peckish piehole, bitch.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:28:35 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On 4/10/2016 11:15 AM, wrote:
>> even a street person is guaranteed medical attention.
>
>Which is why you hosers head to the US for care...
>
Speak for yourself, I have never had any medical treatment in the US.
Years ago I had bronchitis while in the UK and the doc saw me on a
reciprocal agreement, I signed a paper but did not pay a penny.

If I wanted to see a doc I could phone and make an appt for tomorrow
with my own GP or go right this minute to a nearby walk in clinic. How
would it be quicker, or cheaper to go to the USA ?

On 4/10/2016 11:20 AM, graham wrote:
> On 10/04/2016 11:15 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On 4/10/2016 11:07 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:58:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was
>>>>> billed
>>>>> nothing for all that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on
>>>> income?
>>>
>>> Based on spending - a sales tax gets it so the more you have to spend,
>>> the more you support it. Someone like me who buys a Mazda 2 pays much
>>> less than the person buying a Merc.
>>
>
>> According to data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information, as
>
>> The Fraser Institute of Canada
>
> Neither of those sources is credible! They are far RW "Think tanks" that
> want to privatize everything and take us back to Victorian times!
> Graham

LOL, your partisan BIAS is showing again, assbag!

Here, read on:

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-...us-health-care

A top Canadian politician attracted national attention when he decided
to abandon his country’s health care system, which has been suggested as
a model for reforms in the United States, to cross the border in seeking
treatment for a heart condition.

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the United
States in February to undergo heart surgery. The 59-year-old millionaire
is set to spend over three months in America recovering from the operation.

Not Surprised

Sally Pipes, president of the San Francisco-based Pacific Research
Institute, calls Premier Williams’ decision “no surprise.”

“[Premier Williams] is a medical tourist; he went where he obviously
felt he would get the best treatment and where he would not have to
wait. He did not follow [political film documentarian] Michael Moore’s
advice. He came here because in the United States we have the latest and
best technology and treatments and very good health outcomes,” Pipes said.

Opposition politicians in Canada have raised questions about why
Williams decided not to seek heart treatment in Ontario or Toronto, the
heart surgery hubs of the Canadian health care system. Some are
wondering whether Williams' decision to leave Canada for treatment in
the United States reflects an indictment of Canada's health system. He
is not alone in his preference for American care, however, Pipes says.

“[Premier Williams] is not the first. Belinda Stronach who opposed
opening the Canadian health care system, came to America for treatment
when she was diagnosed with breast cancer in June 2007. Robert Bourassa,
twice former Premier of Quebec, when he was diagnosed with multiple
melanoma, came to the United States as well,” Pipes said.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/11/re...-care-in-2011/

The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought
medical treatment outside of Canada in 2011, as wait times increased 104
percent — more than double — compared with statistics from 1993.

Specialist physicians surveyed across 12 specialties and 10 provinces
reported an average total wait time of 19 weeks between the time a
general practitioner refers a patient and the time a specialist provides
elective treatment — the longest they have ever recorded.

http://dailysignal.com/2010/02/09/th...go-to-america/

A study by Steven Katz, Diana Verilli, and Morris Barer in Health
Affairs examining the Ontario Health Insurance Plan from 1987 to 1995
found “evidence of cross-border care seeking for cardiovascular and
orthopedic procedures, mental health services, and cancer treatments,”
although not widespread. Examples include the governments of British
Columbia and Quebec sending patients to the United States for coronary
artery surgery and cancer treatment. Shona Holmes, a Kingston, Ontario
resident in need of an endocrinologist and neurologist, crossed the
border when she was told to wait “four months for one specialist and six
months for the other.” Karen Jepp delivered identical quadruplets in
Montana “because of a shortage of neonatal beds in Canada,” with the
Calgary health system picking up the tab.

Perhaps Canadians’ health care migration patterns are a result of their
own centralized system of government health care planning and “free
care” crashing into the government’s budget constraints.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/ugl...are-13032.html

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
Socialized medicine has meant rationed care and lack of innovation.
Small wonder Canadians are looking to the market.

My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way
to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital
emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging
open the door, I stepped into a nightma the ER overflowed with
elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned
out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right
then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about
Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well
beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any
diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from
a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year
wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed
like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast
cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the
standard of care was four weeks.

On 4/10/2016 11:21 AM, graham wrote:
> On 10/04/2016 11:12 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On 4/10/2016 10:48 AM, Roy wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 10:35:40 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On 4/10/2016 7:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was
>>>>> billed
>>>>> nothing for all that.
>>>>
>>>> So all your fellow citizens could pony up...
>>>
>>> And I was proud to contribute taxes so that he could get medi-care.
>>> One for all and all for one, we are our brother's keeper.
>>> ====
>>>
>> According to data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information, as
>
>> The Fraser Institute of Canada
>
> Neither of those sources is credible! They are far RW "Think tanks" that
> want to privatize everything and take us back to Victorian times!
> Graham

Yeah **** YOU LIAR!


http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-...us-health-care

A top Canadian politician attracted national attention when he decided
to abandon his country’s health care system, which has been suggested as
a model for reforms in the United States, to cross the border in seeking
treatment for a heart condition.

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the United
States in February to undergo heart surgery. The 59-year-old millionaire
is set to spend over three months in America recovering from the operation.

Not Surprised

Sally Pipes, president of the San Francisco-based Pacific Research
Institute, calls Premier Williams’ decision “no surprise.”

“[Premier Williams] is a medical tourist; he went where he obviously
felt he would get the best treatment and where he would not have to
wait. He did not follow [political film documentarian] Michael Moore’s
advice. He came here because in the United States we have the latest and
best technology and treatments and very good health outcomes,” Pipes said.

Opposition politicians in Canada have raised questions about why
Williams decided not to seek heart treatment in Ontario or Toronto, the
heart surgery hubs of the Canadian health care system. Some are
wondering whether Williams' decision to leave Canada for treatment in
the United States reflects an indictment of Canada's health system. He
is not alone in his preference for American care, however, Pipes says.

“[Premier Williams] is not the first. Belinda Stronach who opposed
opening the Canadian health care system, came to America for treatment
when she was diagnosed with breast cancer in June 2007. Robert Bourassa,
twice former Premier of Quebec, when he was diagnosed with multiple
melanoma, came to the United States as well,” Pipes said.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/11/re...-care-in-2011/

The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought
medical treatment outside of Canada in 2011, as wait times increased 104
percent — more than double — compared with statistics from 1993.

Specialist physicians surveyed across 12 specialties and 10 provinces
reported an average total wait time of 19 weeks between the time a
general practitioner refers a patient and the time a specialist provides
elective treatment — the longest they have ever recorded.

http://dailysignal.com/2010/02/09/th...go-to-america/

A study by Steven Katz, Diana Verilli, and Morris Barer in Health
Affairs examining the Ontario Health Insurance Plan from 1987 to 1995
found “evidence of cross-border care seeking for cardiovascular and
orthopedic procedures, mental health services, and cancer treatments,”
although not widespread. Examples include the governments of British
Columbia and Quebec sending patients to the United States for coronary
artery surgery and cancer treatment. Shona Holmes, a Kingston, Ontario
resident in need of an endocrinologist and neurologist, crossed the
border when she was told to wait “four months for one specialist and six
months for the other.” Karen Jepp delivered identical quadruplets in
Montana “because of a shortage of neonatal beds in Canada,” with the
Calgary health system picking up the tab.

Perhaps Canadians’ health care migration patterns are a result of their
own centralized system of government health care planning and “free
care” crashing into the government’s budget constraints.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/ugl...are-13032.html

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
Socialized medicine has meant rationed care and lack of innovation.
Small wonder Canadians are looking to the market.

My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way
to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital
emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging
open the door, I stepped into a nightma the ER overflowed with
elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned
out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right
then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about
Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well
beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any
diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from
a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year
wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed
like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast
cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the
standard of care was four weeks.

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 10:35:40 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On 4/10/2016 7:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was
>> > billed
>> > nothing for all that.
>>
>> So all your fellow citizens could pony up...
>
> And I was proud to contribute taxes so that he could get medi-care.
> One for all and all for one, we are our brother's keeper.

The same here!


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 4/10/2016 12:44 PM, graham wrote:
> On 10/04/2016 9:58 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>>> nothing for all that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on
>> income?
>>
> Nothing directly out of pocket. It's government funded, therefore it
> comes out of tax revenue.
> It's far more efficient and cheaper that way.
> Graham

So, you have no idea what that translates to in dollars?

I did find this and it does not look so good.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-...b_3733080.html
In 2013, a typical Canadian family of four can expect to pay $11,320 for
public health care insurance. For the average family of two parents with
one child that bill will be $10,989, and for the average family of two
adults (without children) the bill comes to $11,381. As a result of
lower average incomes and differences in taxation, the bills are smaller
for the average unattached individual ($3,780), for the average
one-parent-one-child family ($3,905), and the average one-parent
two-child family ($3,387). But no matter the family type, the bill is
not small, much less free.

And it gets worse. Changing demographics mean Canada's health care
system has a funding gap of $537 billion. While health care is costly
and underperforming today, in the absence of reform the future will
either hold large increases in taxes, further reductions in the
availability of medical services, further erosion of non-health care
government services, or all of the above.

Canadians pay a substantial amount of money for their universal health
care system each year through the tax system but get a fairly poor deal
in return. Reforming Canadian health care based on lessons from other,
more successful, universal access health care systems is the key to
solving that problem.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 09:45:29 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>>> nothing for all that.
>>
>>My God. If that was in the USA, you would face a bill of (just
>>guessing) over $20K.
>>
>>That night 7.5 years ago that I had severe asthma and was stuck
>>sitting on the toilet all night - very labored breathing and even a 7
>>step walk to the phone to call for help would have killed me. After
>>spending about 8 hours on the damn toilet with very labored breathing
>>all night, I was finally healed enough to get up, dressed, and I drove
>>to a "minor emergency clinic." Very labored breathing even for that.
>>
>>As soon as they heard that I had no insurance, they treated me quite
>>shabbily (imo). They didn't want me there and acted like I was some
>>bum off the street after free medical care. I was told that the doctor
>>was running a bit late and I should go to the emergency room.
>
> A clinic would not have told you to drive to the ER, they would have
> called an ambulance.
>
>>I told
>>them that I was doing ok just sitting there and waiting but to get up
>>again would be a hardship. I'm not leaving.
>>
>>So then she told me, "You know, this could be expensive"
>>I told her, "I've got money, I'll pay for this today"
>>She still didn't seem convinced. Again, I was made to feel like some
>>bum.
>>
>>So I finally got to see the doctor. They treated me there and I was
>>good to go plus I got prescriptions. Funny how just 1/2 hour treatment
>>in the doctors office fixed me when I really almost died of asthma
>>attack
>
> That's why you need medication at home, you should have an Albuterol
> Sulphate inhaler on you at all times, and a nebulizer at home... with
> a neb treatment at home you'd be fine in ten minutes.

Yes, I have all those things and have never got into difficulties the way
Gary did. As soon as I have a problem I have everything I need to treat
myself instantly!

I hope Gary will take better care of himself now. What he suffered and the
way he was treated was dreadful.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 4/10/2016 11:32 AM, wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:28:35 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/10/2016 11:15 AM, wrote:
>>> even a street person is guaranteed medical attention.
>>
>> Which is why you hosers head to the US for care...
>>
> Speak for yourself, I have never had any medical treatment in the US.
> Years ago I
Bugger off, shrew bitch!


http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-...us-health-care

A top Canadian politician attracted national attention when he decided
to abandon his country’s health care system, which has been suggested as
a model for reforms in the United States, to cross the border in seeking
treatment for a heart condition.

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the United
States in February to undergo heart surgery. The 59-year-old millionaire
is set to spend over three months in America recovering from the operation.

Not Surprised

Sally Pipes, president of the San Francisco-based Pacific Research
Institute, calls Premier Williams’ decision “no surprise.”

“[Premier Williams] is a medical tourist; he went where he obviously
felt he would get the best treatment and where he would not have to
wait. He did not follow [political film documentarian] Michael Moore’s
advice. He came here because in the United States we have the latest and
best technology and treatments and very good health outcomes,” Pipes said.

Opposition politicians in Canada have raised questions about why
Williams decided not to seek heart treatment in Ontario or Toronto, the
heart surgery hubs of the Canadian health care system. Some are
wondering whether Williams' decision to leave Canada for treatment in
the United States reflects an indictment of Canada's health system. He
is not alone in his preference for American care, however, Pipes says.

“[Premier Williams] is not the first. Belinda Stronach who opposed
opening the Canadian health care system, came to America for treatment
when she was diagnosed with breast cancer in June 2007. Robert Bourassa,
twice former Premier of Quebec, when he was diagnosed with multiple
melanoma, came to the United States as well,” Pipes said.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/11/re...-care-in-2011/

The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought
medical treatment outside of Canada in 2011, as wait times increased 104
percent — more than double — compared with statistics from 1993.

Specialist physicians surveyed across 12 specialties and 10 provinces
reported an average total wait time of 19 weeks between the time a
general practitioner refers a patient and the time a specialist provides
elective treatment — the longest they have ever recorded.

http://dailysignal.com/2010/02/09/th...go-to-america/

A study by Steven Katz, Diana Verilli, and Morris Barer in Health
Affairs examining the Ontario Health Insurance Plan from 1987 to 1995
found “evidence of cross-border care seeking for cardiovascular and
orthopedic procedures, mental health services, and cancer treatments,”
although not widespread. Examples include the governments of British
Columbia and Quebec sending patients to the United States for coronary
artery surgery and cancer treatment. Shona Holmes, a Kingston, Ontario
resident in need of an endocrinologist and neurologist, crossed the
border when she was told to wait “four months for one specialist and six
months for the other.” Karen Jepp delivered identical quadruplets in
Montana “because of a shortage of neonatal beds in Canada,” with the
Calgary health system picking up the tab.

Perhaps Canadians’ health care migration patterns are a result of their
own centralized system of government health care planning and “free
care” crashing into the government’s budget constraints.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/ugl...are-13032.html

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
Socialized medicine has meant rationed care and lack of innovation.
Small wonder Canadians are looking to the market.

My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way
to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital
emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging
open the door, I stepped into a nightma the ER overflowed with
elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned
out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right
then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about
Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well
beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any
diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from
a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year
wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed
like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast
cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the
standard of care was four weeks.

On 10/04/2016 11:28 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On 4/10/2016 11:15 AM, wrote:
>> even a street person is guaranteed medical attention.
>
> Which is why you hosers head to the US for care...
>
Balls! What happens is that a few who are impatient or
think the sun shines out of their collective arses go
abroad and on their return USE THE CANADIAN SYSTEM TO
CORRECT EVERYTHING!!!!!!!

On 10/04/2016 11:38 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/10/2016 12:44 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 10/04/2016 9:58 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was
>>>> billed
>>>> nothing for all that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on
>>> income?
>>>
>> Nothing directly out of pocket. It's government funded, therefore it
>> comes out of tax revenue.
>> It's far more efficient and cheaper that way.
>> Graham
>
> So, you have no idea what that translates to in dollars?
>
According to the OECD, the per capita cost of healthcare in Canada is
about half what it is in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_per_ capita

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 06:57:20 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>> >
>> > I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was
>> > billed
>> > nothing for all that.
>>
>> My God. If that was in the USA, you would face a bill of (just
>> guessing) over $20K.
>> ===========
>>
>> Are kidding? Well over $75,000.00 would be more like it.
>>
> Agree. Maybe more.
>
>
> --
>
> sf

I don't think it's just in CA either, but I admit I don't know much about
the prices in other states. I thought 75,000.00 was a conservative figure
too, but at least for sure.

Cheri

On 4/10/2016 12:30 PM, graham wrote:
> On 10/04/2016 11:28 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On 4/10/2016 11:15 AM, wrote:
>>> even a street person is guaranteed medical attention.
>>
>> Which is why you hosers head to the US for care...
>>
> Balls! What happens is that a few who are impatient

Nope:

52,000 a year is not a "few".

Try again, angry little ****nat.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...25-study-finds

More than 52,000 Canadians travelled abroad for health care last year,
study finds

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso...says-1.2997726


An estimated 52,000 Canadians — half of those from Ontario — left the
country to receive non-emergency health care in 2014, according to a
report titled Leaving Canada for Medical Care.

The new report notes an increase of more than 10,000 patients — or 26
per cent — from a year earlier are looking outside Canada for medical
treatment.

The Fraser Institute gleaned numbers from a previous study, Waiting Your
Turn, a study on wait times that surveyed practitioners in 12 medical
specialties. Surveys were sent to the membership of the Canadian Medical
Association and had a return rate of 19 per cent.

On 4/10/2016 12:43 PM, graham wrote:
> On 10/04/2016 11:38 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/10/2016 12:44 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 10/04/2016 9:58 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was
>>>>> billed
>>>>> nothing for all that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on
>>>> income?
>>>>
>>> Nothing directly out of pocket. It's government funded, therefore it
>>> comes out of tax revenue.
>>> It's far more efficient and cheaper that way.
>>> Graham
>>
>> So, you have no idea what that translates to in dollars?
>>
> According to the OECD, the per capita cost of healthcare in Canada is
> about half what it is in the US.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_per_ capita
>
>

52,000 a year is not a "few".

Try again, angry little ****nat.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...25-study-finds

More than 52,000 Canadians travelled abroad for health care last year,
study finds

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso...says-1.2997726


An estimated 52,000 Canadians €” half of those from Ontario €” left the
country to receive non-emergency health care in 2014, according to a
report titled Leaving Canada for Medical Care.

The new report notes an increase of more than 10,000 patients €” or 26
per cent €” from a year earlier are looking outside Canada for medical
treatment.

The Fraser Institute gleaned numbers from a previous study, Waiting Your
Turn, a study on wait times that surveyed practitioners in 12 medical
specialties. Surveys were sent to the membership of the Canadian Medical
Association and had a return rate of 19 per cent.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 07:42:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:16:42 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-04-10 8:35 AM, wrote:
>> > On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 22:09:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Anytime the USA tries to bring in universal health care the insurance
>> > companies spring into action. We watched that happen in 1968 when
>> > Canada switched to health care and again when Hillary Clinton was
>> > crossing the USA in Bills time trying to come up with a good plan
>> > everyone liked.
>> >
>> > One of the favourite insurance company ads was to show a Canadian
>> > woman who claimed she had a brain tumour and could not get it taken
>> > out here so she paid a ransom to have it done in the US. The truth
>> > was, her tumour was benign and her Ontario doctors felt it was best to
>> > leave it since it was no longer growing, rather than chance operating
>> > on her brain and possibly doing some damage in the process.
>> >
>> > There were plenty of others but I forget them now, they were so
>> > laughable. I am just thankful that no matter what health problems hit
>> > me, it won't cost me a dime, other than perhaps parking for the car.
>>
>> The insurance companies are lobbying hard to prevent them from losing a
>> very profitable business. There are lots of stories about wait times
>> and services that are unavailable. The only one that seems to have much
>> credibility is the shortage of MRI facilities.
>>
>> When I had my heart issue, which seemed to be no big deal when it
>> started, the delay was my fault for not contacting my doctor before he
>> went on vacation. I went to a walk in clinic and saw a doctor within 10
>> minutes. He sent me to the hospital because it was a weekend and they
>> could do the tests that day. I was seen by a doctor within 15 minutes
>> and spent a day there while they did tests and then repeated them. No
>> heart attack and no immediate concerns, but was told to follow up with
>> my doctor. When he got back from vacation I got in to see him. He
>> referred me to a cardiologist and saw him within a week, and he booked
>> be for angiography which happened within two weeks. They found a
>> blockage and ran into problems clearing it out so I had emergency
>> surgery. It took about an hour to get me prepped and a teach together.
>>
>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>> nothing for all that.
>
>Of course, if you have good insurance, health care in the U.S. is quite
>reasonably priced. Four days in the hospital for my husband resulted in
>some trivial co-pays. It probably didn't amount to more than $200 all told.
>I have no idea how much the stay cost the insurance company, as we never
>saw a bill that didn't say "You own $50" or somesuch.
>
>Cindy Hmailton

Last summer I was clearing brush, I tripped on a vine and hit the
ground on my forehead, also gased my sshin on a small but sharp
freshly lopped stump... my shoe filled with blood. I wrapped my leg
in paper towels adn drove teh tractor back to the hosue, got in the
shower to wash off the blood, then bandage the wound, buy then it was
just oozing. But then about a half hour later the room began to spin,
even lying down everything was spinning. I phoned the clinic in town
and they told me to get to the ER. I dialed 911 and an ambulance
brought me to the ER. I was there from noon till nearly 9 PM, all
sorts of tests including a CT scan. They said I had a minor
concussion. They held me awhile in observation and finally said I can
go home but to contact my doctor. A neighbor brought me home, she's
an OR nurse at that hospital who was getting off work in an hour so it
was no biggie. Eventually the bill came, with Medicare and my AARP
insurance I owed $8 and change. You really ought to look into getting
medical insurance.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:37:25 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:
>>
>
>http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-...us-health-care
>
>A top Canadian politician attracted national attention when he decided
>to abandon his country’s health care system, which has been suggested as
>a model for reforms in the United States, to cross the border in seeking
>treatment for a heart condition.
>
>Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the United
>States in February to undergo heart surgery. The 59-year-old millionaire
>is set to spend over three months in America recovering from the operation.
>

Danny Williams is sooooo wealthy he didn't even take the salary
offered a provincial premier. He's a very nice man (unlike you!) and
when he had a heart problem, opted to pay through the nose in the USA
and get it fixed sooner. Nobody criticised him for that, after all
the more common politician is inclined to take what's to hand and jump
to the head of the line. Way to go Danny!

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 13:38:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/10/2016 12:44 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 10/04/2016 9:58 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2016 9:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I spend 4 days in ICU and another 3 nights in the hospital. I was billed
>>>> nothing for all that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> How much does the average Canadian pay for free medical? Based on
>>> income?
>>>
>> Nothing directly out of pocket. It's government funded, therefore it
>> comes out of tax revenue.
>> It's far more efficient and cheaper that way.
>> Graham
>
>So, you have no idea what that translates to in dollars?
>
>I did find this and it does not look so good.
>http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-...b_3733080.html
>In 2013, a typical Canadian family of four can expect to pay $11,320 for
>public health care insurance. For the average family of two parents with
>one child that bill will be $10,989, and for the average family of two
>adults (without children) the bill comes to $11,381. As a result of
>lower average incomes and differences in taxation, the bills are smaller
>for the average unattached individual ($3,780), for the average
>one-parent-one-child family ($3,905), and the average one-parent
>two-child family ($3,387). But no matter the family type, the bill is
>not small, much less free.
>
>And it gets worse. Changing demographics mean Canada's health care
>system has a funding gap of $537 billion. While health care is costly
>and underperforming today, in the absence of reform the future will
>either hold large increases in taxes, further reductions in the
>availability of medical services, further erosion of non-health care
>government services, or all of the above.
>
>Canadians pay a substantial amount of money for their universal health
>care system each year through the tax system but get a fairly poor deal
>in return. Reforming Canadian health care based on lessons from other,
>more successful, universal access health care systems is the key to
>solving that problem.

Ed pls don't pay too much attention to what the Huff Post has to say,
I sincerely doubt their figures are even correct.