On 4/11/2016 9:41 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>>
>>> 10 GRAND a year, just for insurance? 10 thousand dollars? For just ONE
>>> year?
>>>
>>
>> Insurance can run anywhere from about $3500 to $12,000 depending on
>> coverage, copays, deductibles. There are some people that get full
>> coverage for free, subsidized by those that pay the higher rates.
>
> What's the point of living in a rich western country if they don't
> even try to organise affordable healthcare for everybody? Unless
> you're rich, you could just as well live in Bangladesh.
>

There are some disparities,but many people don't pay the premium, or at
least all of it. Traditionally, at least the past 50+ years, employers
pay all or most of it. Other countries tax people. If you have
nothing, you can get free coverage. There are a lot of people stuck in
the middle though, earn too much to qualify for free care, not enough to
afford paid care.

No matter where you live it is not "free".

On 4/11/2016 11:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


>
> I know people who want Hilary just because she's a woman. No other reason.


I've seen many women, to their credit, that are not voting for her, but
for someone they feel is better qualified.

On 2016-04-12 9:05 AM, Gary wrote:
> Janet B wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:58:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd still like to see a real black person win office. Methinks that is
>>>> still a long, long way off yet.
>>>
>>> I find that comment interesting. I vote for the most qualified, not
>>> because the candidate is black, white, male or female.
>>>
>>> It's not a fashion show.
>>
>> Anything causes a fuss. When Kennedy was running, because he was
>> Catholic, it was said that to vote for him meant that the Pope would
>> be running the U.S.
>
> The Kennedys were the US version of a royalty vote...the Camelot
> thing.
>
> In my tin hat thoughts though are that the US govt (the career govt
> agencies) didn't want them...
>
> JFK was a loose cannon, they had him killed
> Robert was next in line, they killed him too
> Edward was disgraced to win the presidency
> but was allowed to serve as a Senator for too many years.

He could not have been too badly disgraced. He was driving drunk and had
a young woman in the car with him and he drove off a bridge. The young
lady died, and Kennedy did not even report the accident for 9 hours.



> Then came JFK junior...he was looking too good to be a
> future presidential candidate.
> He died in a plane crash. I don't believe that was an accident

Belief is a wonderful thing for the believers because it requires such a
low standard of proof.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/11/2016 9:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> 10 GRAND a year, just for insurance? 10 thousand dollars? For just ONE
>>>> year?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Insurance can run anywhere from about $3500 to $12,000 depending on
>>> coverage, copays, deductibles. There are some people that get full
>>> coverage for free, subsidized by those that pay the higher rates.
>>
>> What's the point of living in a rich western country if they don't
>> even try to organise affordable healthcare for everybody? Unless
>> you're rich, you could just as well live in Bangladesh.
>>
>
> There are some disparities,but many people don't pay the premium, or at
> least all of it. Traditionally, at least the past 50+ years, employers
> pay all or most of it. Other countries tax people. If you have nothing,
> you can get free coverage. There are a lot of people stuck in the middle
> though, earn too much to qualify for free care, not enough to afford paid
> care.
>
> No matter where you live it is not "free".

We pay 'National Insurance' when we are working. Anyone not working gets it
all 'free'!


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> There are a lot of people stuck in
> the middle though, earn too much to qualify for free care, not enough to
> afford paid care.

That's me!~ :-D
I don't care though....I give up.

Luckily though, so far, I've rarely needed a doctor and I can pay my
own way.

BTW... I'm constantly looking into some kind of health insurance. I'll
find something eventually. I know at my age I need to have something.
I'll take another look at the AARP offers. Still too young for
Medicare.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:05:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> Janet B wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:58:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> > >"Jeßus" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'd still like to see a real black person win office. Methinks that is
> > >> still a long, long way off yet.
> > >
> > >I find that comment interesting. I vote for the most qualified, not
> > >because the candidate is black, white, male or female.
> > >
> > >It's not a fashion show.
> >
> > Anything causes a fuss. When Kennedy was running, because he was
> > Catholic, it was said that to vote for him meant that the Pope would
> > be running the U.S.
>
> The Kennedys were the US version of a royalty vote...the Camelot
> thing.
>
> In my tin hat thoughts though are that the US govt (the career govt
> agencies) didn't want them...
>
> JFK was a loose cannon, they had him killed
> Robert was next in line, they killed him too
> Edward was disgraced to win the presidency
> but was allowed to serve as a Senator for too many years.
> Then came JFK junior...he was looking too good to be a
> future presidential candidate.
> He died in a plane crash. I don't believe that was an accident
>
> It's just too ironic how ALL the Kennedy potential president
> candidates
> met an untimely death or scandal.

If you're going to be a conspiracy theorist, at least be complete.
You forgot Joe Jr (the one Joe Sr wanted to be president) who died in
WWII. http://www.history.com/topics/joseph-kennedy-jr

--

sf

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 03:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 5:55:27 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:58:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> > > "Jeßus" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'd still like to see a real black person win office. Methinks that is
> > > > still a long, long way off yet.
> > >
> > > I find that comment interesting. I vote for the most qualified, not
> > > because the candidate is black, white, male or female.
> > >
> > > It's not a fashion show.
> >
> > Hopefully most Americans have that frame of mind. Who cares what an
> > outsider thinks?
>
> Suppose it were not our old friend Jeßus talking, but (for example)
> Malala Yousafzai. Would you perhaps care about her opinion?
>
Why would I? We sink or swim on our own.

--

sf

sf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:05:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> > Janet B wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:58:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> > >
> > > >"Jeßus" wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd still like to see a real black person win office. Methinks that is
> > > >> still a long, long way off yet.
> > > >
> > > >I find that comment interesting. I vote for the most qualified, not
> > > >because the candidate is black, white, male or female.
> > > >
> > > >It's not a fashion show.
> > >
> > > Anything causes a fuss. When Kennedy was running, because he was
> > > Catholic, it was said that to vote for him meant that the Pope would
> > > be running the U.S.
> >
> > The Kennedys were the US version of a royalty vote...the Camelot
> > thing.
> >
> > In my tin hat thoughts though are that the US govt (the career govt
> > agencies) didn't want them...
> >
> > JFK was a loose cannon, they had him killed
> > Robert was next in line, they killed him too
> > Edward was disgraced to win the presidency
> > but was allowed to serve as a Senator for too many years.
> > Then came JFK junior...he was looking too good to be a
> > future presidential candidate.
> > He died in a plane crash. I don't believe that was an accident
> >
> > It's just too ironic how ALL the Kennedy potential president
> > candidates
> > met an untimely death or scandal.
>
> If you're going to be a conspiracy theorist, at least be complete.
> You forgot Joe Jr (the one Joe Sr wanted to be president) who died in
> WWII. http://www.history.com/topics/joseph-kennedy-jr

Didn't forget about Joe Jr. But he got killed in the war so I didn't
attibute his death to a conspiracy like the others. You might be
laughing about what I said but think about it...In one family, so many
potentials got taken out. Caroline was smart to stay out of politics,
imo. She's still alive.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:31:34 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 4/11/2016 9:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>> 10 GRAND a year, just for insurance? 10 thousand dollars? For just ONE
> >>> year?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Insurance can run anywhere from about $3500 to $12,000 depending on
> >> coverage, copays, deductibles. There are some people that get full
> >> coverage for free, subsidized by those that pay the higher rates.
> >
> > What's the point of living in a rich western country if they don't
> > even try to organise affordable healthcare for everybody? Unless
> > you're rich, you could just as well live in Bangladesh.
> >
>
> There are some disparities,but many people don't pay the premium, or at
> least all of it. Traditionally, at least the past 50+ years, employers
> pay all or most of it. Other countries tax people. If you have
> nothing, you can get free coverage. There are a lot of people stuck in
> the middle though, earn too much to qualify for free care, not enough to
> afford paid care.
>

That's the gap Gary is caught in.

> No matter where you live it is not "free".

Are we all in the same boat or is it every man for himself? I prefer
the same boat concept.

--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:31:34 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 4/11/2016 9:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 10 GRAND a year, just for insurance? 10 thousand dollars? For just
>> >>> ONE
>> >>> year?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Insurance can run anywhere from about $3500 to $12,000 depending on
>> >> coverage, copays, deductibles. There are some people that get full
>> >> coverage for free, subsidized by those that pay the higher rates.
>> >
>> > What's the point of living in a rich western country if they don't
>> > even try to organise affordable healthcare for everybody? Unless
>> > you're rich, you could just as well live in Bangladesh.
>> >
>>
>> There are some disparities,but many people don't pay the premium, or at
>> least all of it. Traditionally, at least the past 50+ years, employers
>> pay all or most of it. Other countries tax people. If you have
>> nothing, you can get free coverage. There are a lot of people stuck in
>> the middle though, earn too much to qualify for free care, not enough to
>> afford paid care.
>>
>
> That's the gap Gary is caught in.
>
>> No matter where you live it is not "free".
>
> Are we all in the same boat or is it every man for himself? I prefer
> the same boat concept.
>

Sure, and there are oars for all in the boat, but few get used.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> There are a lot of people stuck in
>> the middle though, earn too much to qualify for free care, not enough to
>> afford paid care.
>
> That's me!~ :-D
> I don't care though....I give up.
>
> Luckily though, so far, I've rarely needed a doctor and I can pay my
> own way.
>
> BTW... I'm constantly looking into some kind of health insurance. I'll
> find something eventually. I know at my age I need to have something.
> I'll take another look at the AARP offers. Still too young for
> Medicare.

Just stay healthy for 3 more years, I got a good laugh out of one doc I had
a few years ago, he told me he's trying to keep me alive long enough to
qualify for Medicare. LOL

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:31:34 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 4/11/2016 9:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 10 GRAND a year, just for insurance? 10 thousand dollars? For just
>> >>> ONE
>> >>> year?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Insurance can run anywhere from about $3500 to $12,000 depending on
>> >> coverage, copays, deductibles. There are some people that get full
>> >> coverage for free, subsidized by those that pay the higher rates.
>> >
>> > What's the point of living in a rich western country if they don't
>> > even try to organise affordable healthcare for everybody? Unless
>> > you're rich, you could just as well live in Bangladesh.
>> >
>>
>> There are some disparities,but many people don't pay the premium, or at
>> least all of it. Traditionally, at least the past 50+ years, employers
>> pay all or most of it. Other countries tax people. If you have
>> nothing, you can get free coverage. There are a lot of people stuck in
>> the middle though, earn too much to qualify for free care, not enough to
>> afford paid care.
>>
>
> That's the gap Gary is caught in.
>
>> No matter where you live it is not "free".
>
> Are we all in the same boat or is it every man for himself? I prefer
> the same boat concept.
>
> --
>
> sf

Me too when it comes to medical care.

Cheri

On 4/11/2016 10:41 PM, sf wrote:
> To prove my point, all you need to do is Google which states TAKE the
> most Federal "handout" dollars vs how much they contribute in taxes
> and how many of them are red (Republican dominated) states.


Because of course Dems _never_ cease to hand out other peoples' money to
one and all - they're equal opportunity redistributors, always.

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 10:14:26 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 03:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 5:55:27 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > > On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:58:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Jeßus" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd still like to see a real black person win office. Methinks that is
> > > > > still a long, long way off yet.
> > > >
> > > > I find that comment interesting. I vote for the most qualified, not
> > > > because the candidate is black, white, male or female.
> > > >
> > > > It's not a fashion show.
> > >
> > > Hopefully most Americans have that frame of mind. Who cares what an
> > > outsider thinks?
> >
> > Suppose it were not our old friend Jeßus talking, but (for example)
> > Malala Yousafzai. Would you perhaps care about her opinion?
> >
> Why would I? We sink or swim on our own.

Perhaps my example was ill-chosen. Would you dismiss the opinion
of an intelligent person simply because they are not a U.S. citizen?

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/12/2016 6:20 AM, Gary wrote:
> I'm just one of the worthless and the
> world will go on fine without me.. oh man! ;o
>
> Hey...:-D I take life one day at a time.


Do not _ever_ think of yourself that way, please.

You evidence more self-worth and gumption in this one post than many do
here in years of their addled mumbles.

On 4/12/2016 7:05 AM, Gary wrote:
> Janet B wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:58:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd still like to see a real black person win office. Methinks that is
>>>> still a long, long way off yet.
>>>
>>> I find that comment interesting. I vote for the most qualified, not
>>> because the candidate is black, white, male or female.
>>>
>>> It's not a fashion show.
>>
>> Anything causes a fuss. When Kennedy was running, because he was
>> Catholic, it was said that to vote for him meant that the Pope would
>> be running the U.S.
>
> The Kennedys were the US version of a royalty vote...the Camelot
> thing.
>
> In my tin hat thoughts though are that the US govt (the career govt
> agencies) didn't want them...
>
> JFK was a loose cannon, they had him killed
> Robert was next in line, they killed him too
> Edward was disgraced to win the presidency
> but was allowed to serve as a Senator for too many years.
> Then came JFK junior...he was looking too good to be a
> future presidential candidate.
> He died in a plane crash. I don't believe that was an accident
>
> It's just too ironic how ALL the Kennedy potential president
> candidates
> met an untimely death or scandal.
>

Two words - organized crime.

Both Jack and Bobby ran afoul of the wrong people.

Others paid a legacy price.

Tragic.

On 4/12/2016 7:46 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> He could not have been too badly disgraced. He was driving drunk and


Do you have ANY of your own politicians to whinge about?

How about Rob Ford tribute, eh bully boy?

On 4/12/2016 8:12 AM, sf wrote:

>> It's just too ironic how ALL the Kennedy potential president
>> candidates
>> met an untimely death or scandal.
>
> If you're going to be a conspiracy theorist, at least be complete.
> You forgot Joe Jr (the one Joe Sr wanted to be president) who died in
> WWII. http://www.history.com/topics/joseph-kennedy-jr
>

Bootleggers' woes...

On 4/12/2016 8:20 AM, sf wrote:
>> No matter where you live it is not "free".
> Are we all in the same boat or is it every man for himself? I prefer
> the same boat concept.

It fails in epic fashion when you have 11 million illegals in the system
and abusing it.

Ever see the film "Lifeboat"?

Yeah.

On 4/12/2016 10:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Perhaps my example was ill-chosen. Would you dismiss the opinion
> of an intelligent person simply because they are not a U.S. citizen?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>


Would they have any skin in OUR game...at all???

If not - DISMISSED!

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:10:27 -0300, wrote:


>I agree. A friend had a hip replacement light years ago, when they
>first started doing them, it was only later as a result of seeing
>notice of a class action against porcelain replacement hips that she
>knew anything could be amiss. When she checked with her doctor, he
>checked, found she did indeed have a porcelain one and she had another
>replacement before perhaps she fell and shattered the thing.

Egads, using porcelain seems like a great material to use for a hip
replacement <rolls eyes>.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:47:30 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 10:14:26 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 03:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 5:55:27 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:58:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Jeßus" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd still like to see a real black person win office. Methinks that is
> > > > > > still a long, long way off yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > I find that comment interesting. I vote for the most qualified, not
> > > > > because the candidate is black, white, male or female.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not a fashion show.
> > > >
> > > > Hopefully most Americans have that frame of mind. Who cares what an
> > > > outsider thinks?
> > >
> > > Suppose it were not our old friend Jeßus talking, but (for example)
> > > Malala Yousafzai. Would you perhaps care about her opinion?
> > >
> > Why would I? We sink or swim on our own.
>
> Perhaps my example was ill-chosen. Would you dismiss the opinion
> of an intelligent person simply because they are not a U.S. citizen?
>
I think we have enough intelligent citizens here who share their
thoughts. If we think we need outside advice, we'll ask for it.

--

sf

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:56:55 -0600, carnal asada >
wrote:

> On 4/12/2016 8:12 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >> It's just too ironic how ALL the Kennedy potential president
> >> candidates
> >> met an untimely death or scandal.
> >
> > If you're going to be a conspiracy theorist, at least be complete.
> > You forgot Joe Jr (the one Joe Sr wanted to be president) who died in
> > WWII. http://www.history.com/topics/joseph-kennedy-jr
> >
>
> Bootleggers' woes...
>
I don't think subsequent family history has anything to do with that
other than the convenience of what money (illegal or not) can buy.

--

sf

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:55:02 -0600, carnal asada >
wrote:

> On 4/12/2016 7:46 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > He could not have been too badly disgraced. He was driving drunk and
>
>
> Do you have ANY of your own politicians to whinge about?
>
> How about Rob Ford tribute, eh bully boy?

That's what gets me. They have plenty of their own problems to be
concerned about.

--

sf

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:42:18 -0600, carnal asada >
wrote:

> On 4/11/2016 10:41 PM, sf wrote:
> > To prove my point, all you need to do is Google which states TAKE the
> > most Federal "handout" dollars vs how much they contribute in taxes
> > and how many of them are red (Republican dominated) states.
>
>
> Because of course Dems _never_ cease to hand out other peoples' money to
> one and all - they're equal opportunity redistributors, always.

Red states never fail to have their hands out to take a Federal
handout. Typical hypocrites.

--

sf

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:54:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:31:34 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/11/2016 9:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 10 GRAND a year, just for insurance? 10 thousand dollars? For just
> >> >>> ONE
> >> >>> year?
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Insurance can run anywhere from about $3500 to $12,000 depending on
> >> >> coverage, copays, deductibles. There are some people that get full
> >> >> coverage for free, subsidized by those that pay the higher rates.
> >> >
> >> > What's the point of living in a rich western country if they don't
> >> > even try to organise affordable healthcare for everybody? Unless
> >> > you're rich, you could just as well live in Bangladesh.
> >> >
> >>
> >> There are some disparities,but many people don't pay the premium, or at
> >> least all of it. Traditionally, at least the past 50+ years, employers
> >> pay all or most of it. Other countries tax people. If you have
> >> nothing, you can get free coverage. There are a lot of people stuck in
> >> the middle though, earn too much to qualify for free care, not enough to
> >> afford paid care.
> >>
> >
> > That's the gap Gary is caught in.
> >
> >> No matter where you live it is not "free".
> >
> > Are we all in the same boat or is it every man for himself? I prefer
> > the same boat concept.
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> Me too when it comes to medical care.
>
It's not easy when you're in that predicament. You're a school
district employee, why aren't you with Kaiser?

--

sf

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:58:14 -0600, carnal asada >
wrote:

> On 4/12/2016 8:20 AM, sf wrote:
> >> No matter where you live it is not "free".
> > Are we all in the same boat or is it every man for himself? I prefer
> > the same boat concept.
>
> It fails in epic fashion when you have 11 million illegals in the system
> and abusing it.
>
> Ever see the film "Lifeboat"?
>
> Yeah.

For starters most illegals don't want to do anything that would put a
spotlight on them, because they don't want to be deported. Second, it
is against the law for illegal immigrants to receive food stamps. I
am not going to track down xenophobic facts to disprove, because I am
all for supporting those that are here. I'm even more for making the
country they left a place they want to return to, not escape. That's
why NAFTA was put into place. What we can't do is eliminate the graft
and corruption at the highest levels in those countries. They need to
do it for themselves.

--

sf

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:49:04 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:44:15 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 20:52:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"taxed and spent" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd still like to see a real black person win office. Methinks that is
>>>>>> still a long, long way off yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find that comment interesting. I vote for the most qualified, not
>>>>> because the candidate is black, white, male or female.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a fashion show.
>>>>
>>>> but some people think color or gender makes one most qualified. We have a
>>>> supreme court justice that keeps saying so.
>>>
>>>I know people who want Hilary just because she's a woman. No other reason.
>>
>>I feel sorry for anyone who regards her as a woman.
>
>Doesn't she look bright eyed and bushy tailed?
>
><https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3QYcU9uws5HUl9pnFy6Bp1Ptetuyia R6uCZqjp4-U0HXNXtab>

Perhaps as a child, now all I see is the spawn of satan... well,
figuratively speaking anyway.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:54:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:31:34 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 4/11/2016 9:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 10 GRAND a year, just for insurance? 10 thousand dollars? For just
>> >> >>> ONE
>> >> >>> year?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Insurance can run anywhere from about $3500 to $12,000 depending on
>> >> >> coverage, copays, deductibles. There are some people that get full
>> >> >> coverage for free, subsidized by those that pay the higher rates.
>> >> >
>> >> > What's the point of living in a rich western country if they don't
>> >> > even try to organise affordable healthcare for everybody? Unless
>> >> > you're rich, you could just as well live in Bangladesh.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> There are some disparities,but many people don't pay the premium, or
>> >> at
>> >> least all of it. Traditionally, at least the past 50+ years,
>> >> employers
>> >> pay all or most of it. Other countries tax people. If you have
>> >> nothing, you can get free coverage. There are a lot of people stuck
>> >> in
>> >> the middle though, earn too much to qualify for free care, not enough
>> >> to
>> >> afford paid care.
>> >>
>> >
>> > That's the gap Gary is caught in.
>> >
>> >> No matter where you live it is not "free".
>> >
>> > Are we all in the same boat or is it every man for himself? I prefer
>> > the same boat concept.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > sf
>>
>> Me too when it comes to medical care.
>>
> It's not easy when you're in that predicament. You're a school
> district employee, why aren't you with Kaiser?
>
> --
>
> sf

I haven't been a school district employee since 1997 when we started our own
business, but I did have good insurance when I was there. It was Foundation
and it was wonderful.

Cheri

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 04:58:40 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:10:27 -0300, wrote:
>
>
>>I agree. A friend had a hip replacement light years ago, when they
>>first started doing them, it was only later as a result of seeing
>>notice of a class action against porcelain replacement hips that she
>>knew anything could be amiss. When she checked with her doctor, he
>>checked, found she did indeed have a porcelain one and she had another
>>replacement before perhaps she fell and shattered the thing.
>
>Egads, using porcelain seems like a great material to use for a hip
>replacement <rolls eyes>.

It's actually very durable but yes, not really what one wants for a
hip.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:59:18 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 04:58:40 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:10:27 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I agree. A friend had a hip replacement light years ago, when they
>>>first started doing them, it was only later as a result of seeing
>>>notice of a class action against porcelain replacement hips that she
>>>knew anything could be amiss. When she checked with her doctor, he
>>>checked, found she did indeed have a porcelain one and she had another
>>>replacement before perhaps she fell and shattered the thing.
>>
>>Egads, using porcelain seems like a great material to use for a hip
>>replacement <rolls eyes>.
>
>It's actually very durable but yes, not really what one wants for a
>hip.

Durable, but there's not much 'give' between it not breaking and
breaking.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 05:41:00 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 05:31:27 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:49:04 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:44:15 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 20:52:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"taxed and spent" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd still like to see a real black person win office. Methinks that is
>>>>>>>> still a long, long way off yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find that comment interesting. I vote for the most qualified, not
>>>>>>> because the candidate is black, white, male or female.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not a fashion show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but some people think color or gender makes one most qualified. We have a
>>>>>> supreme court justice that keeps saying so.
>>>>>
>>>>>I know people who want Hilary just because she's a woman. No other reason.
>>>>
>>>>I feel sorry for anyone who regards her as a woman.
>>>
>>>Doesn't she look bright eyed and bushy tailed?
>>>
>>><https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3QYcU9uws5HUl9pnFy6Bp1Ptetuyia R6uCZqjp4-U0HXNXtab>
>>
>>Perhaps as a child, now all I see is the spawn of satan... well,
>>figuratively speaking anyway.
>
>Oh, I thought you meant her looks

Well, she doesnt do anything for me in that dept. either.
Not even in her younger days.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:59:18 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 04:58:40 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:10:27 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I agree. A friend had a hip replacement light years ago, when they
>>>>first started doing them, it was only later as a result of seeing
>>>>notice of a class action against porcelain replacement hips that she
>>>>knew anything could be amiss. When she checked with her doctor, he
>>>>checked, found she did indeed have a porcelain one and she had another
>>>>replacement before perhaps she fell and shattered the thing.
>>>
>>>Egads, using porcelain seems like a great material to use for a hip
>>>replacement <rolls eyes>.
>>
>>It's actually very durable but yes, not really what one wants for a
>>hip.
>
> Durable, but there's not much 'give' between it not breaking and
> breaking.

Of memory serves my knee replacements are made of titanium.


--
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 03:33:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 8:44:46 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 20:32:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >There is also a segment of people that can afford reasonably priced
>> >insurance but in the past were denied coverage due to pre-existing
>> >conditions. For a mere $10,000 a year in premiums you can get $250,000
>> >in benefits. I'd do it if I was in that position.
>>
>> 10 GRAND a year, just for insurance? 10 thousand dollars? For just ONE
>> year?
>
>Yep. That's why I'm grateful to have my husband's employer pay half
>the cost.
>
>The insurance company makes out like a bandit on me, since I consume
>virtually no health care services. They don't do as well with my husband,
>who has multiple prescriptions and numerous doctor visits per year.

Yes, clearly it works out well for the insurance companies, overall.
I assume there are a chain of middle-men within the system who are
really reaping the financial benefits... the bulk of the money is
going somewhere other than clinics and hospitals, etc.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:12:10 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:59:18 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 04:58:40 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:10:27 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I agree. A friend had a hip replacement light years ago, when they
>>>>>first started doing them, it was only later as a result of seeing
>>>>>notice of a class action against porcelain replacement hips that she
>>>>>knew anything could be amiss. When she checked with her doctor, he
>>>>>checked, found she did indeed have a porcelain one and she had another
>>>>>replacement before perhaps she fell and shattered the thing.
>>>>
>>>>Egads, using porcelain seems like a great material to use for a hip
>>>>replacement <rolls eyes>.
>>>
>>>It's actually very durable but yes, not really what one wants for a
>>>hip.
>>
>> Durable, but there's not much 'give' between it not breaking and
>> breaking.
>
>Of memory serves my knee replacements are made of titanium.

Probably, a friend who was in a serious car accident a few years ago
is full of titanium in his feet, legs, knees are full of titanium.
Hands and arms too, I think.

On 4/12/2016 4:16 PM, Je�us wrote:

>>
>> Yep. That's why I'm grateful to have my husband's employer pay half
>> the cost.
>>
>> The insurance company makes out like a bandit on me, since I consume
>> virtually no health care services. They don't do as well with my husband,
>> who has multiple prescriptions and numerous doctor visits per year.
>
> Yes, clearly it works out well for the insurance companies, overall.
> I assume there are a chain of middle-men within the system who are
> really reaping the financial benefits... the bulk of the money is
> going somewhere other than clinics and hospitals, etc.
>

Why do you say that? Evidence?

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:58:14 -0600, carnal asada >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/12/2016 8:20 AM, sf wrote:
>> >> No matter where you live it is not "free".
>> > Are we all in the same boat or is it every man for himself? I prefer
>> > the same boat concept.
>>
>> It fails in epic fashion when you have 11 million illegals in the system
>> and abusing it.
>>
>> Ever see the film "Lifeboat"?
>>
>> Yeah.
>
> For starters most illegals don't want to do anything that would put a
> spotlight on them, because they don't want to be deported. Second, it
> is against the law for illegal immigrants to receive food stamps. I
> am not going to track down xenophobic facts to disprove, because I am
> all for supporting those that are here. I'm even more for making the
> country they left a place they want to return to, not escape. That's
> why NAFTA was put into place. What we can't do is eliminate the graft
> and corruption at the highest levels in those countries.

maybe if the companies that wrote a letter to the governor of North Carolina
would write a letter to the President of Mexico . . .

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:58:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/12/2016 4:16 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Yep. That's why I'm grateful to have my husband's employer pay half
>>> the cost.
>>>
>>> The insurance company makes out like a bandit on me, since I consume
>>> virtually no health care services. They don't do as well with my husband,
>>> who has multiple prescriptions and numerous doctor visits per year.
>>
>> Yes, clearly it works out well for the insurance companies, overall.
>> I assume there are a chain of middle-men within the system who are
>> really reaping the financial benefits... the bulk of the money is
>> going somewhere other than clinics and hospitals, etc.
>>
>
>Why do you say that? Evidence?

Because where does all the money go? Why is the cost of medication and
treatment in the U.S so astronomical (2-3 times higher) compared to
elsewhere? No doubt legal liability is a factor, but it in no way
accounts for such a price disparity.

On 4/12/2016 4:12 PM, Je�us wrote:

>
> So sorry to hear that, $8000 pa is a lot of money to pay out annually
> for just one person. Our system is quite different here - although of
> course there are shysters who would love to emulate your system here
> in Australia. It may well happen here yet. In the meantime, it is also
> the middle class in Aus that gets hit hardest with taxes, etc.
>


I had lunch today with one of our machine suppliers in Denmark so I
asked him about healthcare in his country. He had some interesting
comments about it.

First, like others have said, he is happy that he is fully covered.

He has no idea of the actual cost. It is paid for by a 25% VAT tax on
purchases. He did say that the car tax is reduced and is now down to
150%. No, that is not a typo, it is 150%.

Getting treatment can take a while, elective surgery is 6 months or
more. What is worse though, he says people don't value the benefit and
think nothing of it to just not show up for the operation even though
the staff is ready.

Michael also said that doctors and nurses are indifferent and don't care
about patients like they do in other countries. They can't be fired.

Extra insurance is available and you can get treatment from private
doctors and get better appointment times. Not a perfect system that he
says is getting worse.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:12:10 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:59:18 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 04:58:40 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:10:27 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I agree. A friend had a hip replacement light years ago, when they
>>>>>first started doing them, it was only later as a result of seeing
>>>>>notice of a class action against porcelain replacement hips that she
>>>>>knew anything could be amiss. When she checked with her doctor, he
>>>>>checked, found she did indeed have a porcelain one and she had another
>>>>>replacement before perhaps she fell and shattered the thing.
>>>>
>>>>Egads, using porcelain seems like a great material to use for a hip
>>>>replacement <rolls eyes>.
>>>
>>>It's actually very durable but yes, not really what one wants for a
>>>hip.
>>
>> Durable, but there's not much 'give' between it not breaking and
>> breaking.
>
>Of memory serves my knee replacements are made of titanium.

Correct, so is mine but they weren't using it back then. I did quite
a long study after mine was done while they tried to evaluate whether
artificial joints should be different for men and women. Don't know
what the conclusion was, the most boring study I have ever done