"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:08:27 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Ophelia wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Cheri" wrote:
>> >> > That's not at all the same thing as saying *we* as Americans like
>> >> > hamburgers.
>> >>
>> >> I am definitely NOT going there ...
>> >
>> >I will. As my subject line defines...I would say that the Hamburger
>> >is the most traditional food of the USA. There are so many foods
>> >but I think that's the most common.
>>
>> Are you sure ? I would have said Hot Dog.
>
> Maybe both?

I wouldn't say hot dogs. They're not on many restaurant menus and I think
they tend to be a summer food.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-04-12 2:10 PM, wrote:
>
>>> How many fast food joints chains are dedicated to the hot dog? I can
>>> think of Der Wienerschnitzel and Caspers. Sure, lotta mom/pop places,
>>> but the big chains hang their paper hats on the burger.
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> True, but I didn't feel we were just considering what is served in
>> fast food chains.
>>
>
> It is not just the fast food chains. Almost every franchise has at least
> one burger on the menu and they are are on the menu in ever diner, bar
> and greasy spoon.

You generally won't see hot dogs on a menu unless perhaps it is a children's
menu.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 12:50:06 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:08:27 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Cheri" wrote:
>>>> > That's not at all the same thing as saying *we* as Americans like
>>>> > hamburgers.
>>>>
>>>> I am definitely NOT going there ...
>>>
>>>I will. As my subject line defines...I would say that the Hamburger
>>>is the most traditional food of the USA. There are so many foods
>>>but I think that's the most common.
>>
>> Are you sure ? I would have said Hot Dog.
>
> Per year, it's 20 million hot dogs consumed in America vs about 50
> million hamburgers.
>
> Of course both of those are really from Germany, anyway.

Squee! I was right! Gold star for me!

"Robert" > wrote in message
...
> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>
>
>>I will. As my subject line defines...I would say that the Hamburger
>>is the most traditional food of the USA. There are so many foods
>>but I think that's the most common.
>>
>
> With every one stretching their money. That hamburger has been stuffed
> with bread crumb to make meatloaf the most common.
>
>
> Robert

Where?

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-04-12 11:50 AM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:08:27 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>
>>> I will. As my subject line defines...I would say that the Hamburger
>>> is the most traditional food of the USA. There are so many foods
>>> but I think that's the most common.
>>
>> Are you sure ? I would have said Hot Dog.
>
>
> I am sure they are popular, and they are great food for kids, but there
> are not a lot of highly profitable fast food franchises selling hot dogs
> like there are for burgers. The only fast food burger franchise I know of
> that sells a lot of hot dogs is Harvey's and I don't think they are in
> the US.

We have Der Wienerschitzel but I only know of one location around here, in
Everett. I think we had one in Alameda when we lived there. There is a
current TV ad for some fast food place that mentions grilled dogs. Not sure
which one it is though.

"gtr" > wrote in message news:2016041215532563914-xxx@yyyzzz...
> There's a traditional UnitedStatesian food? Maybe something in the BBQ
> end of things. Perhaps some New Orleanian thing. Then there are the
> periodic anemic claims to pizza and chop suey.
>
> I think most food stuffs and configurations were pretty much nailed
> down before the US came into being. But I think we do a hell of a good
> job of doing all of them in a broader and more assessible way,
> frequently mixing them up real good.

That is true and much of what we eat is regional.

On 2016-04-13 01:42:28 +0000, Julie Bove said:

> There is a current TV ad for some fast food place that mentions grilled
> dogs. Not sure which one it is though.

Burger King. They're not deadly, but they aren't done well.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 18:44:14 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-04-12 2:10 PM, wrote:
>
> >> How many fast food joints chains are dedicated to the hot dog? I can
> >> think of Der Wienerschnitzel and Caspers. Sure, lotta mom/pop places,
> >> but the big chains hang their paper hats on the burger.
> >>
> >> nb
> >
> > True, but I didn't feel we were just considering what is served in
> > fast food chains.
> >
>
> It is not just the fast food chains. Almost every franchise has at
> least one burger on the menu and they are are on the menu in ever
> diner, bar and greasy spoon.

I can name some restaurants that aren't in that category that offer
burgers too.

--

sf

There are currently two TV commercials (that I know of) featuring hot
dogs...Sonic (a burger chain) and Burger King. The BK one is for
grilled hot dogs, so that is probably the one you are thinking of. Sonic
features hot dogs frequently, with those two guys in the car that
Fast 'n Loud's Richard Rawlins tricked out and restored for the Sonic
chain.

N.

There are currently two TV commercials (that I know of) featuring hot
dogs...Sonic (a burger chain) and Burger King. The BK one is for
grilled hot dogs, so that is probably the one you are thinking of. Sonic
features hot dogs frequently, with those two guys in the car that
Fast 'n Loud's Richard Rawlins tricked out and restored for the Sonic
chain.

N.

On 2016-04-13 2:11 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 18:44:14 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-04-12 2:10 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>> How many fast food joints chains are dedicated to the hot dog? I can
>>>> think of Der Wienerschnitzel and Caspers. Sure, lotta mom/pop places,
>>>> but the big chains hang their paper hats on the burger.
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> True, but I didn't feel we were just considering what is served in
>>> fast food chains.
>>>
>>
>> It is not just the fast food chains. Almost every franchise has at
>> least one burger on the menu and they are are on the menu in ever
>> diner, bar and greasy spoon.
>
> I can name some restaurants that aren't in that category that offer
> burgers too.
>


Yep. They are among the most widely available and eaten entrees in the
country. I suppose a lot of people would like to view that as a bad
thing, probably because there are so many bad ones.I still don't get the
popularity of the golden arches. I still remember a hamburger I had at
one of those old prefab metal diners north of Harrisburg more than 20
years ago. It was one of the best hamburgers I ever ate.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...


>"Robert" > wrote in message
...
>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>>>I will. As my subject line defines...I would say that the Hamburger
>>>is the most traditional food of the USA. There are so many foods
>>>but I think that's the most common.
>>>
>>
>> With every one stretching their money. That hamburger has been stuffed
>> with bread crumb to make meatloaf the most common.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
>Where?
>

Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food. Every
Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable (either peas
and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it was meatloaf.


Robert

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 2:24:25 PM UTC-4, Robert wrote:
> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>
>
> >"Robert" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> "Gary" wrote in message ...
> >>
> >>
> >>>I will. As my subject line defines...I would say that the Hamburger
> >>>is the most traditional food of the USA. There are so many foods
> >>>but I think that's the most common.
> >>>
> >>
> >> With every one stretching their money. That hamburger has been stuffed
> >> with bread crumb to make meatloaf the most common.
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert
> >
> >Where?
> >
>
> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food. Every
> Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable (either peas
> and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it was meatloaf.

Meatloaf was rarely served in our house. Every Sunday we had pot roast.
Your anecdotal data are no better than mine.

Perhaps Gary meant "quintessential American food", in which case I'd
have to go with the hamburger. There's no "The" traditional American
food. There are lots of them.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:22:16 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-04-13 2:11 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 18:44:14 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-04-12 2:10 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >>>> How many fast food joints chains are dedicated to the hot dog? I can
> >>>> think of Der Wienerschnitzel and Caspers. Sure, lotta mom/pop places,
> >>>> but the big chains hang their paper hats on the burger.
> >>>>
> >>>> nb
> >>>
> >>> True, but I didn't feel we were just considering what is served in
> >>> fast food chains.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It is not just the fast food chains. Almost every franchise has at
> >> least one burger on the menu and they are are on the menu in ever
> >> diner, bar and greasy spoon.
> >
> > I can name some restaurants that aren't in that category that offer
> > burgers too.
> >
>
>
> Yep. They are among the most widely available and eaten entrees in the
> country. I suppose a lot of people would like to view that as a bad
> thing, probably because there are so many bad ones.I still don't get the
> popularity of the golden arches. I still remember a hamburger I had at
> one of those old prefab metal diners north of Harrisburg more than 20
> years ago. It was one of the best hamburgers I ever ate.

Not talking about chain restaurants, they are local restaurants that
aren't cheap eats.

--

sf

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:47:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> Meatloaf was rarely served in our house. Every Sunday we had pot roast.
> Your anecdotal data are no better than mine.

Our Sunday supper was popcorn. Never missed a week.

--

sf

On 4/13/2016 12:47 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Perhaps Gary meant "quintessential American food", in which case I'd
> have to go with the hamburger. There's no "The" traditional American
> food.

Define the semantic niggle room between "quintessential" and "traditional".

And recall YOU reset the modifier, not Gary...

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/traditional

1.
of or relating to tradition.
2.
handed down by tradition.
3.
in accordance with tradition.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/tradition

1.
the handing down of statements, beliefs, legends, customs, information,
etc., from generation to generation, especially by word of mouth or by
practice:


http://www.dictionary.com/browse/quintessential?s=t

1.
of the pure and essential essence of something:
the quintessential Jewish delicatessen.
2.
of or relating to the most perfect embodiment of something:
the quintessential performance of the Brandenburg Concertos.


Now since he never said one word about the "essential essence" or
"perfect embodiment" of anything I submit your semantic decouple is a
total non sequitur!

Try not to out-think yourself like this, it's what makes this group a
noise level unto itself, dear.

"Robert" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>
>
>>"Robert" > wrote in message
...
>>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I will. As my subject line defines...I would say that the Hamburger
>>>>is the most traditional food of the USA. There are so many foods
>>>>but I think that's the most common.
>>>>
>>>
>>> With every one stretching their money. That hamburger has been stuffed
>>> with bread crumb to make meatloaf the most common.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>>Where?
>>
>
> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food. Every
> Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable (either peas
> and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it was meatloaf.

The way you worded it, it sounded like the hamburgers were made of meatloaf.
And not all meatloaf has bread crumbs in it. We never ate it weekly.
Perhaps 2-3 times a year.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:47:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> Meatloaf was rarely served in our house. Every Sunday we had pot roast.
>> Your anecdotal data are no better than mine.
>
> Our Sunday supper was popcorn. Never missed a week.

We had that almost nightly. For dinner if dinner was soup. Otherwise for a
snack after dinner.

On 2016-04-13 2:15 PM, Robert wrote:

> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food.
> Every Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable
> (either peas and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it
> was meatloaf.

That would make it a typical family meal for you and your kin. I have
often advised people that if a restaurant has meatloaf or meatloaf
sandwiches on their menu you should order it because it is likely to be
good. Other than higher end places, there aren't many restaurants that
don't have burgers on the menu. There are a number of fast food
franchises that specialize in burgers. Most have diversified a little,
but the vast majority of their meals involved hamburgers.

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 2:57:26 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:47:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > Meatloaf was rarely served in our house. Every Sunday we had pot roast.
> > Your anecdotal data are no better than mine.
>
> Our Sunday supper was popcorn. Never missed a week.

This was Sunday dinner, served at about 2 pm. It's funny:
even though nobody went to church, the "after church" dinner
time still held. I can't recall what, if anything, we had
for supper on Sundays. Maybe leftovers.

You make a good point, though. Corn is a very American food.
A lot of people in other countries view it as animal fodder,
and not suitable for people.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-04-13 3:59 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> This was Sunday dinner, served at about 2 pm. It's funny:
> even though nobody went to church, the "after church" dinner
> time still held. I can't recall what, if anything, we had
> for supper on Sundays. Maybe leftovers.
>
> You make a good point, though. Corn is a very American food.
> A lot of people in other countries view it as animal fodder,
> and not suitable for people.

The type of corn they had for a long time really was suitable only for
animal feed. The corn we eat is sweet corn and it is a lot different
from the stuff that gets ground up and used to feed, or put into a silo
to ferment a bit. It must be gaining some ground in Europe because I
have been served corn on the cob there, though it was served in small
slices of cob.

On 13/04/2016 1:59 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 2:57:26 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:47:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:

>
> This was Sunday dinner, served at about 2 pm. It's funny:
> even though nobody went to church, the "after church" dinner
> time still held. I can't recall what, if anything, we had
> for supper on Sundays. Maybe leftovers.
>
> You make a good point, though. Corn is a very American food.
> A lot of people in other countries view it as animal fodder,
> and not suitable for people.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
I think in my youth it was at ~2pm because of a late
breakfast, due to a lie-in, and Dad & I returning from the pub:-)
Graham

On 4/13/2016 3:27 PM, graham wrote:
> Dad & I returning from the pub:-)

Sot for sot - so it tends to go...

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 12:01:46 PM UTC-5, carnal asada wrote:
> On 4/12/2016 9:18 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >> Most of the popular fast food franchises specialize in Hamburgers. The
> >> may not be on the menu at most expensive restaurants, but they are
> >> pretty well guaranteed to be on the menu of every other diner and
> >> restaurant in the country that is not some sort of ethnic place, though
> >> many of them also have hamburgers because they are so popular.
> >
> > I love a good burger. We have our own version of surf and turf where
> > we share a plate of fried calamari and a burger. In fact, we did it
> > last weekend... shared a patty melt (on marble rye), which is my
> > current favorite burger.
> >
>
> The Calamari subbing for onion rings perhaps?
>
> I like it!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2482063.html

--Bryan

On 4/13/2016 12:28 PM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 12:01:46 PM UTC-5, carnal asada wrote:
>> On 4/12/2016 9:18 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>>>> Most of the popular fast food franchises specialize in Hamburgers. The
>>>> may not be on the menu at most expensive restaurants, but they are
>>>> pretty well guaranteed to be on the menu of every other diner and
>>>> restaurant in the country that is not some sort of ethnic place, though
>>>> many of them also have hamburgers because they are so popular.
>>>
>>> I love a good burger. We have our own version of surf and turf where
>>> we share a plate of fried calamari and a burger. In fact, we did it
>>> last weekend... shared a patty melt (on marble rye), which is my
>>> current favorite burger.
>>>
>>
>> The Calamari subbing for onion rings perhaps?
>>
>> I like it!
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2482063.html
>
> --Bryan
>

This is why one should never know what's in a dish before eating it.

On 4/13/2016 4:28 PM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:

>>> I love a good burger. We have our own version of surf and turf where
>>> we share a plate of fried calamari and a burger. In fact, we did it
>>> last weekend... shared a patty melt (on marble rye), which is my
>>> current favorite burger.
>>>
>>
>> The Calamari subbing for onion rings perhaps?
>>
>> I like it!
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2482063.html
>
> --Bryan
>

Are you feeding the neighborhood mosque?

On 4/13/2016 4:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> The Calamari subbing for onion rings perhaps?
>>> >>
>>> >>I like it!
>> >
>> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2482063.html
> Even if they're made of real squid, they'll most likely be made of


You truly are one of the most dense little nancy boys ever!

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-04-13 2:15 PM, Robert wrote:
>
>> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food.
>> Every Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable
>> (either peas and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it
>> was meatloaf.
>
> That would make it a typical family meal for you and your kin. I have
> often advised people that if a restaurant has meatloaf or meatloaf
> sandwiches on their menu you should order it because it is likely to be
> good. Other than higher end places, there aren't many restaurants that
> don't have burgers on the menu. There are a number of fast food
> franchises that specialize in burgers. Most have diversified a little,
> but the vast majority of their meals involved hamburgers.

My dad always warned us not to get meatloaf at a restaurant because you
never knew what they put in there and it was likely leftovers. I didn't
heed his advice and I did have it a few times at various places. It was
always good. But not like my mom made it. And she said that hers was the
only kind that she liked. I actually did like hers cold. Wasn't as good
hot. But mine bears no resemblance to hers. She has eaten mine and didn't
complain. I used to make it as a child but in a pie pan then cut it in
wedges, topped with a scoop of mashed potatoes. I don't make it that way
now.

I do remember the horror that was said to be meatloaf at a restaurant where
we used to dine. I only say used to because it's no longer on our route to
anywhere. Otherwise, we'd still eat there. But I heard a person at a table
behind me complain that what they'd been served was not meatloaf. I turned
to see the waving about a giant, dried out looking patty of some sort of
meat. Did not look like meatloaf to me! Who makes it into a patty?
Wouldn't that be a Rissole? But the waitress insisted that it was in fact
meatloaf. Said it was made the day before and fried to reheat it. Who does
that either? But it looked hideous and not at all like meatloaf.

The customer insisted that they dined there frequently and got the meatloaf
but it was never like that. And I truly don't doubt it. Never did figure
out what it might have been. But I do know that they were very inconsistent
on things. Never knew if you'd get a tiny or huge portion. And the soup
was never the same twice. So at least you knew that it didn't come from a
can.

"Dave Smith" wrote in message ...

On 2016-04-13 2:15 PM, Robert wrote:

> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food.
> Every Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable
> (either peas and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it
> was meatloaf.

That would make it a typical family meal for you and your kin. I have
often advised people that if a restaurant has meatloaf or meatloaf
sandwiches on their menu you should order it because it is likely to be
good. Other than higher end places, there aren't many restaurants that
don't have burgers on the menu. There are a number of fast food
franchises that specialize in burgers. Most have diversified a little,
but the vast majority of their meals involved hamburgers.
================================================== ======================

Hamburgers might be a popular menu item. But that does not make them a
traditions.


Robert

On 2016-04-14 5:40 AM, Robert wrote:
> "Dave Smith" wrote in message ...
>
> On 2016-04-13 2:15 PM, Robert wrote:
>
>> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food.
>> Every Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable
>> (either peas and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it
>> was meatloaf.
>
> That would make it a typical family meal for you and your kin. I have
> often advised people that if a restaurant has meatloaf or meatloaf
> sandwiches on their menu you should order it because it is likely to be
> good. Other than higher end places, there aren't many restaurants that
> don't have burgers on the menu. There are a number of fast food
> franchises that specialize in burgers. Most have diversified a little,
> but the vast majority of their meals involved hamburgers.
> ================================================== ======================
>
> Hamburgers might be a popular menu item. But that does not make them a
> traditions.
>
They are a popular menu item because people like them and order them.
Just everyone in the US and Canada eats hamburgers, and they have been
for a long time, and that makes them a traditional food.

On 4/14/2016 3:40 AM, Robert wrote:
> "Dave Smith" wrote in message ...
>
> On 2016-04-13 2:15 PM, Robert wrote:
>
>> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food.
>> Every Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable
>> (either peas and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it
>> was meatloaf.
>
> That would make it a typical family meal for you and your kin. I have
> often advised people that if a restaurant has meatloaf or meatloaf
> sandwiches on their menu you should order it because it is likely to be
> good. Other than higher end places, there aren't many restaurants that
> don't have burgers on the menu. There are a number of fast food
> franchises that specialize in burgers. Most have diversified a little,
> but the vast majority of their meals involved hamburgers.
> ================================================== ======================
>
> Hamburgers might be a popular menu item. But that does not make them a
> traditions.
>
>
> Robert
>

Oh?

So perhaps you can enlighten us as to what you think is a more
traditional American food?

Take all the screens you need:________________________________

"Javelin SST" wrote in message ...

On 4/14/2016 3:40 AM, Robert wrote:
> "Dave Smith" wrote in message ...
>
> On 2016-04-13 2:15 PM, Robert wrote:
>
>> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food.
>> Every Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable
>> (either peas and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it
>> was meatloaf.
>
> That would make it a typical family meal for you and your kin. I have
> often advised people that if a restaurant has meatloaf or meatloaf
> sandwiches on their menu you should order it because it is likely to be
> good. Other than higher end places, there aren't many restaurants that
> don't have burgers on the menu. There are a number of fast food
> franchises that specialize in burgers. Most have diversified a little,
> but the vast majority of their meals involved hamburgers.
> ================================================== ======================
>
> Hamburgers might be a popular menu item. But that does not make them a
> traditions.
>
>
> Robert
>

Oh?

So perhaps you can enlighten us as to what you think is a more
traditional American food?

Take all the screens you need:________________________________

================================================== ==============================

Traditional - existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established

Tradition - the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to
generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way

That means you can ask the same question to anyone and get different
answers. Having meatloaf every Sunday during my childhood would make it a
tradition. Cindy said that it was pot roast for her. But the only claim used
for hamburger's it's availability on menu's and the number of burger chains.
So as I said popularity does not equal tradition.


Robert

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 05:40:21 -0400, "Robert"
> wrote:

>"Dave Smith" wrote in message ...
>
>On 2016-04-13 2:15 PM, Robert wrote:
>
>> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food.
>> Every Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable
>> (either peas and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it
>> was meatloaf.
>
>That would make it a typical family meal for you and your kin. I have
>often advised people that if a restaurant has meatloaf or meatloaf
>sandwiches on their menu you should order it because it is likely to be
>good. Other than higher end places, there aren't many restaurants that
>don't have burgers on the menu. There are a number of fast food
>franchises that specialize in burgers. Most have diversified a little,
>but the vast majority of their meals involved hamburgers.
>================================================= =======================
>
>Hamburgers might be a popular menu item. But that does not make them a
>tradition.
>
>Robert

Pitifully few restaurants serve a decent burger, it's almost always
mystery meat and ALL fast food burgers are the worst of the worst
mystery meat. No way would I trust meat loaf at any restaurant...
often its how they incorporate plate scrapings. If I'm going to eat
left overs it's going to be my own left overs... last week I made a
fantastic soup from the last of a bone-in center cut pork loin roast;
julienned savoy cabbage, diced carrots, sliced celery, sliced garlic,
grated ginger, sliced onions, can o'shrooms, pinch o'msg, dillweed,
fresh ground white pepper, soy sauce, toasted sesame seed oil, packet
Goya chicken bouillion, corn starch slurry to thicken, beaten eggs for
egg drop... if I forgot anything tough noogies... made a 3 qt potful
of wonderful zoop.

"Robert" > wrote in message
...
> "Javelin SST" wrote in message ...
>
> On 4/14/2016 3:40 AM, Robert wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 2016-04-13 2:15 PM, Robert wrote:
>>
>>> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food.
>>> Every Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable
>>> (either peas and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it
>>> was meatloaf.
>>
>> That would make it a typical family meal for you and your kin. I have
>> often advised people that if a restaurant has meatloaf or meatloaf
>> sandwiches on their menu you should order it because it is likely to be
>> good. Other than higher end places, there aren't many restaurants that
>> don't have burgers on the menu. There are a number of fast food
>> franchises that specialize in burgers. Most have diversified a little,
>> but the vast majority of their meals involved hamburgers.
>> ================================================== ======================
>>
>> Hamburgers might be a popular menu item. But that does not make them a
>> traditions.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
> Oh?
>
> So perhaps you can enlighten us as to what you think is a more
> traditional American food?
>
> Take all the screens you need:________________________________
>
> ================================================== ==============================
>
> Traditional - existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established
>
> Tradition - the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to
> generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way
>
> That means you can ask the same question to anyone and get different
> answers. Having meatloaf every Sunday during my childhood would make it a
> tradition. Cindy said that it was pot roast for her. But the only claim
> used for hamburger's it's availability on menu's and the number of burger
> chains.
> So as I said popularity does not equal tradition.

But that's only a tradition for your family. The rest of us likely didn't
eat that once a week. As I said, my family had it 2-3 times a year. And
it's still the same. But we had burgers quite a lot. Usually with no bun.
Hamburger patties and canned peas was probably our most commonly eaten meal
when we ate at home. In the summer, my dad made the burgers on the BBQ. We
did have buns then.

I can't believe this group has once again taken on the idea that there is really
a traditional or usual "American" food.

How often has this tired old insolvable question been dragged out into the daylight,
anyway? Can't we just stop once and for all? There will never be agreement
Because the US is so big and is made up of so many ancestral entities.

N.

On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 5:40:21 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Robert" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Javelin SST" wrote in message ...
> >
> > On 4/14/2016 3:40 AM, Robert wrote:
> >> "Dave Smith" wrote in message ...
> >>
> >> On 2016-04-13 2:15 PM, Robert wrote:
> >>
> >>> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food.
> >>> Every Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable
> >>> (either peas and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it
> >>> was meatloaf.
> >>
> >> That would make it a typical family meal for you and your kin. I have
> >> often advised people that if a restaurant has meatloaf or meatloaf
> >> sandwiches on their menu you should order it because it is likely to be
> >> good. Other than higher end places, there aren't many restaurants that
> >> don't have burgers on the menu. There are a number of fast food
> >> franchises that specialize in burgers. Most have diversified a little,
> >> but the vast majority of their meals involved hamburgers.
> >> ================================================== ======================
> >>
> >> Hamburgers might be a popular menu item. But that does not make them a
> >> traditions.
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >
> > Oh?
> >
> > So perhaps you can enlighten us as to what you think is a more
> > traditional American food?
> >
> > Take all the screens you need:________________________________
> >
> > ================================================== ==============================
> >
> > Traditional - existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established
> >
> > Tradition - the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to
> > generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way
> >
> > That means you can ask the same question to anyone and get different
> > answers. Having meatloaf every Sunday during my childhood would make it a
> > tradition. Cindy said that it was pot roast for her. But the only claim
> > used for hamburger's it's availability on menu's and the number of burger
> > chains.
> > So as I said popularity does not equal tradition.
>
> But that's only a tradition for your family. The rest of us likely didn't
> eat that once a week. As I said, my family had it 2-3 times a year. And
> it's still the same. But we had burgers quite a lot. Usually with no bun.
> Hamburger patties and canned peas was probably our most commonly eaten meal
> when we ate at home. In the summer, my dad made the burgers on the BBQ. We
> did have buns then.

A "burger" of Straub's wonderful ground beast as I call it is the protein in my Standard Meal! No bun, I pepper it up with freshly ground black pepper, garlic granules, Worchesterwhire sauc and red wine, red pepper flakes and marjoram on the other, then dribble some cheap BBQ sauce, flipping anmd cooking in between. And a nuked potato w/shredded cheddar, and a veggie either brocolli or green beans.

It's REALLY good! :-)

John Kuthe...

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

>Pitifully few restaurants serve a decent burger, it's almost always
>mystery meat and ALL fast food burgers are the worst of the worst
>mystery meat.
>

Unless you butcher the animal yourself. All meat is mystery meat. Ground or
not find a butcher you can trust or get over it.


Robert

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...


"Robert" > wrote in message
...
> "Javelin SST" wrote in message ...
>
> On 4/14/2016 3:40 AM, Robert wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 2016-04-13 2:15 PM, Robert wrote:
>>
>>> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food.
>>> Every Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable
>>> (either peas and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it
>>> was meatloaf.
>>
>> That would make it a typical family meal for you and your kin. I have
>> often advised people that if a restaurant has meatloaf or meatloaf
>> sandwiches on their menu you should order it because it is likely to be
>> good. Other than higher end places, there aren't many restaurants that
>> don't have burgers on the menu. There are a number of fast food
>> franchises that specialize in burgers. Most have diversified a little,
>> but the vast majority of their meals involved hamburgers.
>> ================================================== ======================
>>
>> Hamburgers might be a popular menu item. But that does not make them a
>> traditions.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
> Oh?
>
> So perhaps you can enlighten us as to what you think is a more
> traditional American food?
>
> Take all the screens you need:________________________________
>
> ================================================== ==============================
>
> Traditional - existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established
>
> Tradition - the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to
> generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way
>
> That means you can ask the same question to anyone and get different
> answers. Having meatloaf every Sunday during my childhood would make it a
> tradition. Cindy said that it was pot roast for her. But the only claim
> used for hamburger's it's availability on menu's and the number of burger
> chains.
> So as I said popularity does not equal tradition.

But that's only a tradition for your family. The rest of us likely didn't
eat that once a week. As I said, my family had it 2-3 times a year. And
it's still the same. But we had burgers quite a lot. Usually with no bun.
Hamburger patties and canned peas was probably our most commonly eaten meal
when we ate at home. In the summer, my dad made the burgers on the BBQ. We
did have buns then.

================================================== ====

My answer was meatloaf but Cindy said hers was pot roast. That is why I said
you can ask the same question to anyone and get a different answer. They
claimed hamburger solely on the fact of availability not tradition.

Robert

On 2016-04-14 9:37 PM, Robert wrote:

> My answer was meatloaf but Cindy said hers was pot roast. That is why I
> said you can ask the same question to anyone and get a different answer.
> They claimed hamburger solely on the fact of availability not tradition.
>


I realize that it may be a difficult concept for you to understand, but
when someone talks about a country's traditional food it means something
that is commonly eaten by people across the country, not what your
family ate on Sundays.

"Robert" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "Robert" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Javelin SST" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 4/14/2016 3:40 AM, Robert wrote:
>>> "Dave Smith" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> On 2016-04-13 2:15 PM, Robert wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where what? The question was what is the traditional American food.
>>>> Every Sunday my mom served meatloaf mashed potatoes and a vegetable
>>>> (either peas and carrots, green beans, spinach, or corn). So I said it
>>>> was meatloaf.
>>>
>>> That would make it a typical family meal for you and your kin. I have
>>> often advised people that if a restaurant has meatloaf or meatloaf
>>> sandwiches on their menu you should order it because it is likely to be
>>> good. Other than higher end places, there aren't many restaurants that
>>> don't have burgers on the menu. There are a number of fast food
>>> franchises that specialize in burgers. Most have diversified a little,
>>> but the vast majority of their meals involved hamburgers.
>>> ================================================== ======================
>>>
>>> Hamburgers might be a popular menu item. But that does not make them a
>>> traditions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>
>> Oh?
>>
>> So perhaps you can enlighten us as to what you think is a more
>> traditional American food?
>>
>> Take all the screens you need:________________________________
>>
>> ================================================== ==============================
>>
>> Traditional - existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established
>>
>> Tradition - the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to
>> generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way
>>
>> That means you can ask the same question to anyone and get different
>> answers. Having meatloaf every Sunday during my childhood would make it
>> a tradition. Cindy said that it was pot roast for her. But the only claim
>> used for hamburger's it's availability on menu's and the number of burger
>> chains.
>> So as I said popularity does not equal tradition.
>
> But that's only a tradition for your family. The rest of us likely didn't
> eat that once a week. As I said, my family had it 2-3 times a year. And
> it's still the same. But we had burgers quite a lot. Usually with no
> bun.
> Hamburger patties and canned peas was probably our most commonly eaten
> meal
> when we ate at home. In the summer, my dad made the burgers on the BBQ.
> We
> did have buns then.
>
> ================================================== ====
>
> My answer was meatloaf but Cindy said hers was pot roast. That is why I
> said you can ask the same question to anyone and get a different answer.
> They claimed hamburger solely on the fact of availability not tradition.
>
> Robert

Well, our family has no tradition. And I don't think of pot roast as
American at all.