On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:09:26 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> > "l not -l" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was like,
>> >>> >> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell you
>> >>> >> yogurt.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Jill
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> > Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>> >>> > yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>> >>> > gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>> >>> > plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>> >>> > take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>> >>> > to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>> >>> > on either.
>> >>>
>> >>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>> >>> source
>> >>>
>> >>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to supplement.
>> >> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine or
>> >> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is true
>> >> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>> >> the 66
>> >> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>> >
>> > My naturopath first told me this.
>>
>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>
>+++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven to be effective for eons.
>====

Round here they are finally starting to get tougher, if you won't
vaccinate then your kids can't attend day care, quite right too I
figure.

On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:11:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-05-30 4:34 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:24:59 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Naturopaths are quacks.
>>
>> So is much of mainstream medicine. Just saying.
>
>
>There was an interesting case here last year. A young native girl had
>leukemia. She didn't want to do the chemo thing and the parents pushed
>to be allowed to do the traditional Indian healing routine. The hospital
>went to court to try to force them to allow the chemo therapy that has a
>good record of curing the disease. They sent her to a quack
>naturopathic clinic in Florida. The girl died.

I saw an item on that and really that the mother couldn't see the man
was a quack was pathetic. Too bad, the kid stood a good chance of
recovery, albeit after some nasty treatment.

On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:13:18 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:30:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was like,
>> >> >> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell you
>> >> >> yogurt.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jill
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>> >> > yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>> >> > gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>> >> > plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>> >> > take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>> >> > to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>> >> > on either.
>> >>
>> >> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>> >> source
>> >>
>> >> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to supplement.
>> > How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine or
>> > peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is true
>> > medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in the 66
>> > years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>
>> My naturopath first told me this. I have read it in many magazines since,
>> have seen it online and on TV.
>>
>> http://probiotics.org/amazing-facts/
>>
>> http://www.foodrenegade.com/your-app...-gains-ground/
>>
>> http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/shoul...endix-removed/
>>
>> http://www.prohealth.com/library/sho...fm?libid=16726
>
>Sorry to have to tell you this...but YOU ARE AN IDIOT for believing ANYTHING that NATUROPATHS tell you.
>They are devious money grubbers who will lead you astray and enjoy doing it.
>====

Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
faith in hers get steadily worse.

On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:16:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-05-30 4:55 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 7:52:40 AM UTC-10, Janet B wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 10:29:42 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 7:04:56 AM UTC-10, Janet B wrote:
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/zuzjkn3
>>>>>
>>>>> The most important factor is that you be born a white person.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://milk.procon.org/view.resource...ourceID=000661
>>>>
>>>> I guess you missed the recommendation for kimchi, saurkraut,
>>>> bananas, chocolate. Kefir was but one of the items. Janet US
>>>
>>> I didn't miss anything. I've lived with this problem for most of my
>>> life. My go-to gut foods are bananas, yogurt and acidophilus milk.
>>> I'll eat kim chee but not for intestinal regulation. The reality is
>>> that most people have no problem with maintaining a healthy
>>> environment in their guts. Most problems arise when they insist on
>>> drinking milk.
>>
>> I've insisted on drinking milk all my life. No problems. Completely
>> northern European heritage, though.
>
>I insisted on not drinking kid for as far back as I can remember. I
>don't dislike the flavour, but I just can't grasp the concept of milk as
>a beverage. I goes down my throat like wet phlegm and it gives me gas
>and the trots. My heritage is English, Scottish,Irish, German and French.
>
>My bones have not suffered. I have very large and very strong bones. I
>eat yogurt and drink keffir several times a week, but only started that
>about 5 years ago.

Me too, well I should say I like milk in my coffee but wouldn't drink
a glass of it. I was asked a few years ago to participate in a study
for osteoporosis (sp?) and after all the initial questions they did a
bone density and thew me out, she said I would never have it my bones
were so good.

On Tue, 31 May 2016 08:27:22 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:19:19 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2016-05-30 5:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yet another lame mistake - I'm gonna have to hire a proofreader! Wait a minute, I used to be a proofreader. Damnit!
>>
>>
>>Don't feel bad. I was in a coffee shop today and there was a young
>>couple at the next table. The guy was talking about his classes and
>>said he just wrote an English exam and then said "I hope I did good on it."
>
>He'd fit right in as a modern day journalist.

Ain't that the trewth!

On Mon, 30 May 2016 20:55:34 -0300, wrote:

>On Tue, 31 May 2016 08:27:22 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:19:19 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2016-05-30 5:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yet another lame mistake - I'm gonna have to hire a proofreader! Wait a minute, I used to be a proofreader. Damnit!
>>>
>>>
>>>Don't feel bad. I was in a coffee shop today and there was a young
>>>couple at the next table. The guy was talking about his classes and
>>>said he just wrote an English exam and then said "I hope I did good on it."
>>
>>He'd fit right in as a modern day journalist.
>
>Ain't that the trewth!

Seriously though, standards have /really/ dropped since I left
school 36 years ago, particularly since the Internet became
mainstream.

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 12:18:24 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-30 5:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > Yet another lame mistake - I'm gonna have to hire a proofreader! Wait a minute, I used to be a proofreader. Damnit!
>
>
> Don't feel bad. I was in a coffee shop today and there was a young
> couple at the next table. The guy was talking about his classes and
> said he just wrote an English exam and then said "I hope I did good on it."

Oh those kids! We're betterer than that!

dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 7:52:40 AM UTC-10, Janet B wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 May 2016 10:29:42 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 7:04:56 AM UTC-10, Janet B wrote:
> > >> http://tinyurl.com/zuzjkn3
> > >
> > > The most important factor is that you be born a white person.
> > >
> > > http://milk.procon.org/view.resource...ourceID=000661
> >
> > I guess you missed the recommendation for kimchi, saurkraut,
> > bananas, chocolate. Kefir was but one of the items.
> > Janet US
>
> I didn't miss anything. I've lived with this problem for most of my
> life. My go-to gut foods are bananas, yogurt and acidophilus milk.
> I'll eat kim chee but not for intestinal regulation. The reality is
> that most people have no problem with maintaining a healthy
> environment in their guts. Most problems arise when they insist on
> drinking milk.
>
> The dirty little secret is that most people on Earth have with
> problems with digesting lactose and "probiotics" can be a great help.
> OTOH, "probiotics" is a marketing term that's purposely kept vague.
> It's trending at the moment but most white folks don't these things.

I think you are right that lastose intolerance (comes in many levels)
is more common than not among most of the world's population someplace
around age 10 and up. With Europeans being rarely lactose intolerant,
they tend to assume it's not real. It gets further complicated with
understanding of lactic acid, lactase and lacto-fermentation.

--

On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:

> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>


I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
had to go back.

On 2016-05-30 7:54 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:16:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>> My bones have not suffered. I have very large and very strong bones. I
>> eat yogurt and drink keffir several times a week, but only started that
>> about 5 years ago.
>
> Me too, well I should say I like milk in my coffee but wouldn't drink
> a glass of it. I was asked a few years ago to participate in a study
> for osteoporosis (sp?) and after all the initial questions they did a
> bone density and thew me out, she said I would never have it my bones
> were so good.
>


I buy a 4 litre bag of milk every 2-3 weeks and have it on cereal and in
my morning latte, I have not had a glass of milk in more than 30 years.
When I went back to my thoracic surgeon about a month after hear surgery
he told me it would take a long time for my ribs to heal because they
were so big. After all those years that we were told that you have to
drink milk to have strong bones I managed quite well without drinking it.

On 5/30/2016 2:59 PM, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 7:52:40 AM UTC-10, Janet B wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 10:29:42 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 7:04:56 AM UTC-10, Janet B wrote:
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/zuzjkn3
>>>>
>>>> The most important factor is that you be born a white person.
>>>>
>>>> http://milk.procon.org/view.resource...ourceID=000661
>>>
>>> I guess you missed the recommendation for kimchi, saurkraut,
>>> bananas, chocolate. Kefir was but one of the items.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> I didn't miss anything. I've lived with this problem for most of my
>> life. My go-to gut foods are bananas, yogurt and acidophilus milk.
>> I'll eat kim chee but not for intestinal regulation. The reality is
>> that most people have no problem with maintaining a healthy
>> environment in their guts. Most problems arise when they insist on
>> drinking milk.
>>
>> The dirty little secret is that most people on Earth have with
>> problems with digesting lactose and "probiotics" can be a great help.
>> OTOH, "probiotics" is a marketing term that's purposely kept vague.
>> It's trending at the moment but most white folks don't these things.
>
> I think you are right that lastose intolerance (comes in many levels)
> is more common than not among most of the world's population someplace
> around age 10 and up. With Europeans being rarely lactose intolerant,
> they tend to assume it's not real. It gets further complicated with
> understanding of lactic acid, lactase and lacto-fermentation.
>

The dairy industry pretty much sweeps under the rug, the fact that many
people cannot drink their milk products without some intestinal
distress. That became apparent when acidophilus milk was introduced back
in the early 70's. They never could exactly say what the benefits of the
product was. Now that's what I call some tough marketing!

I used to drink that stuff when I was a kid. The description of the
product say it has a tangy taste and a thicker texture. Perhaps it's
changed since I was a kid because that was never the case with the
acidophilus milk I've had.

On 5/30/2016 9:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>
>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>
>
>
> I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
> any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
> for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
> treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
> that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
> had to go back.

They have a place. Stiff neck, some back issues can be corrected with
manipulation. No, not cancer, infections, or heart disease.

On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>
>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>
>
>
>I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>had to go back.

I've had the same experience.

I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
was a malingerer.

I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
haven't been back.

A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.

Doris

Roy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> > On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >
> > > "l not -l" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > >> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > > >
> > >>> > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown
> > wrote: >>> >>
> > >>> >> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She
> > was like, >>> >> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're
> > trying to sell you >>> >> yogurt.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Jill
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> > Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
> > >>> > yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
> > >>> > gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
> > >>> > plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
> > >>> > take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
> > >>> > to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
> > >>> > on either.
> > > > >
> > >>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a
> > natural >>> source
> > > > >
> > >>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
> > supplement. >> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or
> > similar, magazine or >> peer-reviewed, published research? It
> > seems odd that if this is true >> medical knowledge, that no doctor
> > has suggested probiotics to me in >> the 66
> > >> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
> > >
> > > My naturopath first told me this.
> >
> > Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>
> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven
> to be effective for eons. ====

Yeah, California apparently got a clue bat over that one. Seems you
have a right to not vaccinate the kids but tht doesn't mean you have a
right to put them in public school anymore if not vaccinated? Did i
read that right?

--

On 2016-05-30 10:04 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>> I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>> any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>> for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>> treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>> that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>> had to go back.
>
> I've had the same experience.
>
> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
> was a malingerer.
>
> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
> haven't been back.
>
> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.

I have known a number of people who swore by their chiropractors, and
they went to them regularly for years. When I went to physiotherapists
for my tennis elbow and later for pulled lumbar muscles I went once or
twice a week for about two months and followed up with the exercises
and my problems were fixed and never came back. The chiropractor people
had to keep going back for years.

One time when I went for my tennis elbow treatment my therapist poke
and prodded for a while and then asked me if I was in a lot of pain. I
had not said anything, but I was. I had been cutting and splitting wood.
She could feel the tension and the swelling in my tendons. I was impressed.

On 30/05/2016 8:04 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>> any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>> for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>> treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>> that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>> had to go back.
>
> I've had the same experience.
>
> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
> was a malingerer.
>
> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
> haven't been back.
>
> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
>
> Doris
>
An ER nurse told me that they had to treat chiropracters'
blunders/maltreatments on a weekly basis. Neck manipulations are seen to
be particularly hazardous.
Graham

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>> >> like,
>>>> >> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell you
>>>> >> yogurt.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jill
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> > Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>> > yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>> > gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>> > plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>> > take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>> > to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>> > on either.
>>>>
>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>>> source
>>>>
>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to supplement.
>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine or
>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is true
>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>> the 66
>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>
>> My naturopath first told me this.
>
> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!

Her. And you can't make such sweeping statements.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-05-30 4:34 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:24:59 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Naturopaths are quacks.
>>
>> So is much of mainstream medicine. Just saying.
>
>
> There was an interesting case here last year. A young native girl had
> leukemia. She didn't want to do the chemo thing and the parents pushed to
> be allowed to do the traditional Indian healing routine. The hospital went
> to court to try to force them to allow the chemo therapy that has a good
> record of curing the disease. They sent her to a quack naturopathic
> clinic in Florida. The girl died.

She may well have died anyway. Many people who have that do.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:11:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2016-05-30 4:34 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:24:59 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Naturopaths are quacks.
>>>
>>> So is much of mainstream medicine. Just saying.
>>
>>There was an interesting case here last year. A young native girl had
>>leukemia. She didn't want to do the chemo thing and the parents pushed
>>to be allowed to do the traditional Indian healing routine. The hospital
>>went to court to try to force them to allow the chemo therapy that has a
>>good record of curing the disease. They sent her to a quack
>>naturopathic clinic in Florida. The girl died.
>
> Sure, no surprises there. I'm not defending naturopathy, just pointing
> out that most people aren't objective about mainstream medicine's pros
> and cons. Plenty of quacks operating with a degree on their wall.

Yep.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell you
>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>>>>> source
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine or
>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is true
>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>>> the 66
>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>>
>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>
>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>
>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited that
>> from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven to be
>> effective for eons.
>> ====
>>
> How awful for you!
> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had the
> appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
> Graham

I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:30:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>> >> >> like,
>> >> >> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell you
>> >> >> yogurt.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jill
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>> >> > yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>> >> > gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>> >> > plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>> >> > take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>> >> > to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>> >> > on either.
>> >>
>> >> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>> >> source
>> >>
>> >> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to supplement.
>> > How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine or
>> > peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is true
>> > medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in the
>> > 66
>> > years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>
>> My naturopath first told me this. I have read it in many magazines since,
>> have seen it online and on TV.
>>
>> http://probiotics.org/amazing-facts/
>>
>> http://www.foodrenegade.com/your-app...-gains-ground/
>>
>> http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/shoul...endix-removed/
>>
>> http://www.prohealth.com/library/sho...fm?libid=16726
>
> Sorry to have to tell you this...but YOU ARE AN IDIOT for believing
> ANYTHING that NATUROPATHS tell you.
> They are devious money grubbers who will lead you astray and enjoy doing
> it.
> ====

Nonsense. Mine never led me astray and most of her advice is free.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/30/2016 9:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>> any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>> for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>> treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>> that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>> had to go back.
>
> They have a place. Stiff neck, some back issues can be corrected with
> manipulation. No, not cancer, infections, or heart disease.

Did not work for me but then I have scoliosis. Did work for Angela when her
hips were out of alignment. You could tell by the way she was dancing. Her
flexibility and balance improved. And my friend swears by hers.

On Tue, 31 May 2016 10:01:21 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2016 20:55:34 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 31 May 2016 08:27:22 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:19:19 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2016-05-30 5:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet another lame mistake - I'm gonna have to hire a proofreader! Wait a minute, I used to be a proofreader. Damnit!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Don't feel bad. I was in a coffee shop today and there was a young
>>>>couple at the next table. The guy was talking about his classes and
>>>>said he just wrote an English exam and then said "I hope I did good on it."
>>>
>>>He'd fit right in as a modern day journalist.
>>
>>Ain't that the trewth!
>
> Seriously though, standards have /really/ dropped since I left
>school 36 years ago, particularly since the Internet became
>mainstream.

Yes indeed.

On Mon, 30 May 2016 22:03:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 5/30/2016 9:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>> any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>> for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>> treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>> that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>> had to go back.
>
>They have a place. Stiff neck, some back issues can be corrected with
>manipulation. No, not cancer, infections, or heart disease.

It's risky 'manipulating' the neck - recall seeing all about a young
woman, 30ish, on television. Chiropractor twisted her neck, it cut
off circulation in a major artery and she had a massive stroke, seems
that is not too unusual. Since then chiropractors have been off the
scale where I'm concerned.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell you
>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>>>>> source
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine or
>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is true
>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>>> the 66
>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>>
>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>
>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>
>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited that
>> from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven to be
>> effective for eons.
>> ====
>>
> How awful for you!
> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had the
> appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.

I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!

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"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> > "l not -l" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>> >>> >> like,
>> >>> >> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>> >>> >> you
>> >>> >> yogurt.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Jill
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> > Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>> >>> > yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>> >>> > gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>> >>> > plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>> >>> > take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>> >>> > to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>> >>> > on either.
>> >>>
>> >>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>> >>> source
>> >>>
>> >>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>> >>> supplement.
>> >> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine or
>> >> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is true
>> >> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>> >> the 66
>> >> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>> >
>> > My naturopath first told me this.
>>
>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>
> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the nasty
> diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited that from
> her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven to be effective
> for eons.
> ====

Oh dear. That is rather frightening.


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> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:09:26 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >
>>> > "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>> > ...
>>> >>
>>> >> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>> >>> >> like,
>>> >>> >> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>> >>> >> you
>>> >>> >> yogurt.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Jill
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> > Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>> >>> > yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>> >>> > gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>> >>> > plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>> >>> > take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>> >>> > to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>> >>> > on either.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>> >>> source
>>> >>>
>>> >>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>> >>> supplement.
>>> >> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine
>>> >> or
>>> >> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>>> >> true
>>> >> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>> >> the 66
>>> >> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>> >
>>> > My naturopath first told me this.
>>>
>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>
>>+++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>>vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the nasty
>>diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited that from
>>her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven to be effective
>>for eons.
>>====
>
> Round here they are finally starting to get tougher, if you won't
> vaccinate then your kids can't attend day care, quite right too I
> figure.

I agree. They shouldn't be allowed to put the other children at risk.



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"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>>any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>>for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>>treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>>that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>>had to go back.
>
> I've had the same experience.
>
> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
> was a malingerer.
>
> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
> haven't been back.
>
> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
>

Are physiotherapists the same as Chiropractors? I have been
to -physiotherapists and they were wonderful!

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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 12:18:24 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-05-30 5:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Yet another lame mistake - I'm gonna have to hire a proofreader! Wait a
>> > minute, I used to be a proofreader. Damnit!
>>
>>
>> Don't feel bad. I was in a coffee shop today and there was a young
>> couple at the next table. The guy was talking about his classes and
>> said he just wrote an English exam and then said "I hope I did good on
>> it."
>
> Oh those kids! We're betterer than that!

Now, now, MrD. You know that ought to be 'more betterer ... ;-)


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On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:46:10 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >
>>> > "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>> > ...
>>> >>
>>> >> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>> >>> >> like,
>>> >>> >> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>> >>> >> you
>>> >>> >> yogurt.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Jill
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> > Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>> >>> > yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>> >>> > gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>> >>> > plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>> >>> > take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>> >>> > to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>> >>> > on either.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>> >>> source
>>> >>>
>>> >>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>> >>> supplement.
>>> >> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine or
>>> >> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is true
>>> >> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>> >> the 66
>>> >> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>> >
>>> > My naturopath first told me this.
>>>
>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>
>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the nasty
>> diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited that from
>> her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven to be effective
>> for eons.
>> ====
>
>Oh dear. That is rather frightening.

Yes, we see another side of the question as we are old enough to
remember when things like polio, measles, chickenpox etc would sweep
through a school. My elder daughter lost her hearing in her right ear
due the measles.

On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:52:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Doris Night" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>>>any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>>>for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>>>treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>>>that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>>>had to go back.
>>
>> I've had the same experience.
>>
>> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
>> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
>> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
>> was a malingerer.
>>
>> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
>> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
>> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
>> haven't been back.
>>
>> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
>> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
>> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
>>
>
>Are physiotherapists the same as Chiropractors? I have been
>to -physiotherapists and they were wonderful!

No, physios here usually work in conjunction with doctors to get you
to exercise, bend or whatever, joints that are in trouble.
>
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On Tue, 31 May 2016 00:20:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
snip
>
>I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.

You have the opportunity to save your daughter from cervical cancer at
the very least. Why wouldn't you?
Janet US

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 1:20:45 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
> >> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> >>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
> >>>>>>>> like,
> >>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell you
> >>>>>>>> yogurt.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jill
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
> >>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
> >>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
> >>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
> >>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
> >>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
> >>>>>>> on either.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
> >>>>>> source
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
> >>>>>> supplement.
> >>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine or
> >>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is true
> >>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
> >>>>> the 66
> >>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
> >>>>
> >>>> My naturopath first told me this.
> >>>
> >>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
> >>
> >> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
> >> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
> >> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited that
> >> from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven to be
> >> effective for eons.
> >> ====
> >>
> > How awful for you!
> > I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had the
> > appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
> > Graham
>
> I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.

Are you nuts?...it is VERY important to have the HPV vaccination. Of course YOUR child or children are not in danger as they are good Christian and moral beings and will never be promiscuous. Wake up lady and smell the flowers, its a new world out there.
====

On Tue, 31 May 2016 07:20:19 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Tue, 31 May 2016 00:20:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>snip
>>
>>I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.
>
>You have the opportunity to save your daughter from cervical cancer at
>the very least. Why wouldn't you?
>Janet US

Cue the music from Gangbusters.

> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:46:10 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>> > ...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>> >>> >> like,
>>>> >>> >> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>>> >>> >> you
>>>> >>> >> yogurt.
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Jill
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> > Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>> >>> > yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>> >>> > gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>> >>> > plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>> >>> > take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>> >>> > to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>> >>> > on either.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>>> >>> source
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>> >>> supplement.
>>>> >> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine
>>>> >> or
>>>> >> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>>>> >> true
>>>> >> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>> >> the 66
>>>> >> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>> >
>>>> > My naturopath first told me this.
>>>>
>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>>
>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>>> nasty
>>> diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited that from
>>> her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven to be
>>> effective
>>> for eons.
>>> ====
>>
>>Oh dear. That is rather frightening.
>
> Yes, we see another side of the question as we are old enough to
> remember when things like polio, measles, chickenpox etc would sweep
> through a school. My elder daughter lost her hearing in her right ear
> due the measles.

Yes

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> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:52:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Doris Night" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>>>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>>>>any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>>>>for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>>>>treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>>>>that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>>>>had to go back.
>>>
>>> I've had the same experience.
>>>
>>> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
>>> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
>>> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
>>> was a malingerer.
>>>
>>> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
>>> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
>>> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
>>> haven't been back.
>>>
>>> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
>>> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
>>> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
>>>
>>
>>Are physiotherapists the same as Chiropractors? I have been
>>to -physiotherapists and they were wonderful!
>
> No, physios here usually work in conjunction with doctors to get you
> to exercise, bend or whatever, joints that are in trouble.

Yes, that is kind of how it works here. I just wondered if it were
different for you.



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On Tue, 31 May 2016 15:10:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:52:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>>>>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>>>>>any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>>>>>for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>>>>>treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>>>>>that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>>>>>had to go back.
>>>>
>>>> I've had the same experience.
>>>>
>>>> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
>>>> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
>>>> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
>>>> was a malingerer.
>>>>
>>>> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
>>>> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
>>>> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
>>>> haven't been back.
>>>>
>>>> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
>>>> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
>>>> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Are physiotherapists the same as Chiropractors? I have been
>>>to -physiotherapists and they were wonderful!
>>
>> No, physios here usually work in conjunction with doctors to get you
>> to exercise, bend or whatever, joints that are in trouble.
>
>Yes, that is kind of how it works here. I just wondered if it were
>different for you.

If you want to go to a chiropractor you have to pay, it is not
considered a medical need since they are not doctors.

On 31/05/2016 1:18 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>> >> like,
>>>>> >> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell you
>>>>> >> yogurt.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Jill
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> > Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>> > yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>> > gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>> > plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>> > take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>> > to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>> > on either.
>>>>>
>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>>>> source
>>>>>
>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to supplement.
>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine or
>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is true
>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>> the 66
>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>
>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>
>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>
> Her. And you can't make such sweeping statements.

YES I CAN!!!!
graham

On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar,
>>>>>> magazine or
>>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>>>>>> true
>>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>>>> the 66
>>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>>>
>>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>>
>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>>
>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
>>> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven
>>> to be effective for eons.
>>> ====
>>>
>> How awful for you!
>> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had
>> the appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
>
> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!
>
They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can become
carriers too.
Graham

On 2016-05-31 9:20 AM, Janet B wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 00:20:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> snip
>>
>> I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.
>
> You have the opportunity to save your daughter from cervical cancer at
> the very least. Why wouldn't you?


This is a woman who has had a foot infection that put her out of service
for more than a week but who insists on drinking a dozen cans of diet
soda every day despite being advised that it causes the same sort of
problems that sugar does. She has proved herself to be resistance to
fact and logic based advice.