> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 15:10:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:52:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Doris Night" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has
>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>>>>>>any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to
>>>>>>chiropractors
>>>>>>for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>>>>>>treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>>>>>>that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I
>>>>>>never
>>>>>>had to go back.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had the same experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
>>>>> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
>>>>> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
>>>>> was a malingerer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
>>>>> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
>>>>> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
>>>>> haven't been back.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
>>>>> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
>>>>> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Are physiotherapists the same as Chiropractors? I have been
>>>>to -physiotherapists and they were wonderful!
>>>
>>> No, physios here usually work in conjunction with doctors to get you
>>> to exercise, bend or whatever, joints that are in trouble.
>>
>>Yes, that is kind of how it works here. I just wondered if it were
>>different for you.
>
> If you want to go to a chiropractor you have to pay, it is not
> considered a medical need since they are not doctors.

There are loads and loads of chiropractors listed in Scotland. When I need
to I go to the physiotherapists I know they are definitely medically
approved ... especially since my own doc has referred me.


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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar,
>>>>>>> magazine or
>>>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>>>>> the 66
>>>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>>>
>>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>>>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
>>>> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven
>>>> to be effective for eons.
>>>> ====
>>>>
>>> How awful for you!
>>> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had
>>> the appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
>>
>> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!
>>
> They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can become
> carriers too.

I see! I wonder if they do it here now too. I hadn't heard of it.

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On 2016-05-31 11:19 AM, graham wrote:
> On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:

>> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!
>>
> They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can become
> carriers too.
>


While boys may be carriers, the risk factor for women are about 15 times
higher. That means that is much more important for the girls to have it
than the boys. In theory, an innoculated woman should not be at risk.

One of the lawyers I worked for had a client who had been paralyzed by a chiropractor's
neck "manipulation."

N.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:33:01 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 15:10:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:52:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Doris Night" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
> >>>>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
> >>>>>any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
> >>>>>for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
> >>>>>treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
> >>>>>that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
> >>>>>had to go back.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've had the same experience.
> >>>>
> >>>> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
> >>>> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
> >>>> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
> >>>> was a malingerer.
> >>>>
> >>>> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
> >>>> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
> >>>> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
> >>>> haven't been back.
> >>>>
> >>>> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
> >>>> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
> >>>> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Are physiotherapists the same as Chiropractors? I have been
> >>>to -physiotherapists and they were wonderful!
> >>
> >> No, physios here usually work in conjunction with doctors to get you
> >> to exercise, bend or whatever, joints that are in trouble.
> >
> >Yes, that is kind of how it works here. I just wondered if it were
> >different for you.
>
> If you want to go to a chiropractor you have to pay, it is not
> considered a medical need since they are not doctors.

I've had medical insurance that would pay for chiropractic.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 31 May 2016 09:19:08 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar,
>>>>>>> magazine or
>>>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>>>>> the 66
>>>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>>>
>>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>>>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
>>>> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven
>>>> to be effective for eons.
>>>> ====
>>>>
>>> How awful for you!
>>> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had
>>> the appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
>>
>> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!
>>
>They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can become
>carriers too.
>Graham

the overall problem is that if it isn't received at an early enough
age, it is too late. Because either the girl will become sexually
active and exposed or if 'pure', chances are her husband will have
been exposed. I would really be angry at my mother if she left me
open to cancer when there was a good way to avoid it.
Janet US

On Tue, 31 May 2016 09:36:13 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>One of the lawyers I worked for had a client who had been paralyzed by a chiropractor's
>neck "manipulation."
>
>N.

The one I saw on television had a severe stroke as a consequence and
was doomed to live paralyzed and as a veggie, very sad.

On Tue, 31 May 2016 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:33:01 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 15:10:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >> On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:52:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>"Doris Night" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>> >>>>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>> >>>>>any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>> >>>>>for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>> >>>>>treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>> >>>>>that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>> >>>>>had to go back.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've had the same experience.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
>> >>>> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
>> >>>> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
>> >>>> was a malingerer.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
>> >>>> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
>> >>>> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
>> >>>> haven't been back.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
>> >>>> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
>> >>>> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Are physiotherapists the same as Chiropractors? I have been
>> >>>to -physiotherapists and they were wonderful!
>> >>
>> >> No, physios here usually work in conjunction with doctors to get you
>> >> to exercise, bend or whatever, joints that are in trouble.
>> >
>> >Yes, that is kind of how it works here. I just wondered if it were
>> >different for you.
>>
>> If you want to go to a chiropractor you have to pay, it is not
>> considered a medical need since they are not doctors.
>
>I've had medical insurance that would pay for chiropractic.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Well here our medical things are free, that includes physio when
ordered by your doctor.

I went free, sent by my doctor to a specialist in vertigo and have
been receiving treatment from him, all free. However another friend
who developed vertigo has spent much on some sort of 'wholistic help'
and she is still held down by vertigo and having a miserable life.

Unfortunately our medical system also has to offer free help to those
people damaged by chiropractors.

On 5/29/2016 10:05 AM, Janet BOVINE wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/zuzjkn3
>
JANET IS GETTIN' HUNGRY AGAIN!
LOL

On 31/05/2016 11:30 AM, l not -l wrote:
>
> On 31-May-2016, wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:33:01 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 15:10:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:52:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has
>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to
>>>>>>>> chiropractors
>>>>>>>> for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for
>>>>>>>> regular
>>>>>>>> treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of
>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>> that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I
>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>> had to go back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've had the same experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
>>>>>>> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was a malingerer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
>>>>>>> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> haven't been back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
>>>>>>> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the
>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are physiotherapists the same as Chiropractors? I have been
>>>>>> to -physiotherapists and they were wonderful!
>>>>>
>>>>> No, physios here usually work in conjunction with doctors to get you
>>>>> to exercise, bend or whatever, joints that are in trouble.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that is kind of how it works here. I just wondered if it were
>>>> different for you.
>>>
>>> If you want to go to a chiropractor you have to pay, it is not
>>> considered a medical need since they are not doctors.
>>
>> I've had medical insurance that would pay for chiropractic.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
> Medicare pays for a number of chiropractic procedures, as does United
> Healthcare Medicare Supplemental.
>
I'm sure that's due to some sort of public pressure.
Many pharmacies today stock homeopathic and other nonsensical potions.
The pharmacists know that they are hoooey but the demand and the MBAs in
charge determine what's on the shelves.
Graham

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 5:12:04 PM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 30/05/2016 8:04 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
> >>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
> >> any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
> >> for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
> >> treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
> >> that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
> >> had to go back.
> >
> > I've had the same experience.
> >
> > I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
> > family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
> > trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
> > was a malingerer.
> >
> > I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
> > about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
> > heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
> > haven't been back.
> >
> > A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
> > chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
> > six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
> >
> > Doris
> >
> An ER nurse told me that they had to treat chiropracters'
> blunders/maltreatments on a weekly basis. Neck manipulations are seen to
> be particularly hazardous.
> Graham

That could be professional jealousy - or would that be non-professional jealousy? OTOH, musician Kenny Rankin would tell a story of being paralyzed by a neck manipulation. He thought he would never play the guitar again - but he did after a few years off. He was pretty ****ed about that and would give the guy's name out in his concerts - at least he did the time we saw him..

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 9:33:23 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> One time when I went for my tennis elbow treatment my therapist poke
> and prodded for a while and then asked me if I was in a lot of pain. I
> had not said anything, but I was. I had been cutting and splitting wood.
> She could feel the tension and the swelling in my tendons. I was impressed.
>
>
I had tennis elbow about 8 years ago and it was TERRIBLE.
All I did was let it rest and it took a good year to finally
not give me anymore trouble. What did your therapist do for
your elbow?

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 3:00:00 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 7:52:40 AM UTC-10, Janet B wrote:
> > > On Mon, 30 May 2016 10:29:42 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 7:04:56 AM UTC-10, Janet B wrote:
> > > >> http://tinyurl.com/zuzjkn3
> > > >
> > > > The most important factor is that you be born a white person.
> > > >
> > > > http://milk.procon.org/view.resource...ourceID=000661
> > >
> > > I guess you missed the recommendation for kimchi, saurkraut,
> > > bananas, chocolate. Kefir was but one of the items.
> > > Janet US
> >
> > I didn't miss anything. I've lived with this problem for most of my
> > life. My go-to gut foods are bananas, yogurt and acidophilus milk.
> > I'll eat kim chee but not for intestinal regulation. The reality is
> > that most people have no problem with maintaining a healthy
> > environment in their guts. Most problems arise when they insist on
> > drinking milk.
> >
> > The dirty little secret is that most people on Earth have with
> > problems with digesting lactose and "probiotics" can be a great help.
> > OTOH, "probiotics" is a marketing term that's purposely kept vague.
> > It's trending at the moment but most white folks don't these things.
>
> I think you are right that lastose intolerance (comes in many levels)
> is more common than not among most of the world's population someplace
> around age 10 and up. With Europeans being rarely lactose intolerant,
> they tend to assume it's not real. It gets further complicated with
> understanding of lactic acid, lactase and lacto-fermentation.
>
> --

It's pretty much like trying to explain what a headache is like to a guy that never gets headaches.

On 5/31/2016 8:08 AM, wrote:
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 9:33:23 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> One time when I went for my tennis elbow treatment my therapist poke
>> and prodded for a while and then asked me if I was in a lot of pain. I
>> had not said anything, but I was. I had been cutting and splitting wood.
>> She could feel the tension and the swelling in my tendons. I was impressed.
>>
>>
> I had tennis elbow about 8 years ago and it was TERRIBLE.
> All I did was let it rest and it took a good year to finally
> not give me anymore trouble. What did your therapist do for
> your elbow?
>

I've had tendinitis several times. It's a real drag. I think an
important part of the treatment is to take ibuprofen or some other
NSAIDs. This helps with the healing process as well as give some pain
relief.

On 2016-05-31 2:08 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 9:33:23 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> One time when I went for my tennis elbow treatment my therapist poke
>> and prodded for a while and then asked me if I was in a lot of pain. I
>> had not said anything, but I was. I had been cutting and splitting wood.
>> She could feel the tension and the swelling in my tendons. I was impressed.
>>
>>
> I had tennis elbow about 8 years ago and it was TERRIBLE.
> All I did was let it rest and it took a good year to finally
> not give me anymore trouble. What did your therapist do for
> your elbow?


It was mostly ultrasound treatment and wearing a brace on my forearm.
It is an interesting affliction. I got mine when I was getting on a
chair lift at a ski resort. It was our last run of the night on the last
day of our vacation and last ski trip of the year. At the time it
happened I thought.... Ow. That is going to leave a bruise. It didn't,
but about a week later I was reaching for a dinner plate and my forearm
was so sore I could hardly pick up the plate. Within a few days I was
having trouble writing. I did the therapy for about 6 weeks and was
told that was about all they could do for me and it would take time, but
it was so much better. The only problem was that I had developed a habit
of cranking my forearm, which would make the tendon slip back into
place. I could hear it and feel it. As time went on I did that less and
less often and eventually it was completely healed.

On 2016-05-31 4:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>>>
>> I had tennis elbow about 8 years ago and it was TERRIBLE.
>> All I did was let it rest and it took a good year to finally
>> not give me anymore trouble. What did your therapist do for
>> your elbow?
>>
>
> I've had tendinitis several times. It's a real drag. I think an
> important part of the treatment is to take ibuprofen or some other
> NSAIDs. This helps with the healing process as well as give some pain
> relief.


Oh yeah... I forgot about the anti inflammation medication... Naproxin.
I stopped taking it because it was so hard on my guts that it was
easier to deal with the pain from the tendonitis.

On 5/31/2016 12:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-31 4:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>>>
>>> I had tennis elbow about 8 years ago and it was TERRIBLE.
>>> All I did was let it rest and it took a good year to finally
>>> not give me anymore trouble. What did your therapist do for
>>> your elbow?
>>>
>>
>> I've had tendinitis several times. It's a real drag. I think an
>> important part of the treatment is to take ibuprofen or some other
>> NSAIDs. This helps with the healing process as well as give some pain
>> relief.
>
>
> Oh yeah... I forgot about the anti inflammation medication... Naproxin.
> I stopped taking it because it was so hard on my guts that it was
> easier to deal with the pain from the tendonitis.
>
>

That's unfortunate. I'll take a NSAID if I think there's a chance of an
onset of an attack i.e., a sharp, stinging, pain in my elbow. I think it
can even prevent tendinitis.

It's an interesting affection for sure. I couldn't even pick up a loaf
of bread - one of those lightweight white bread loaves - not even one of
those Dave's Killer bread loaves. It was so ridiculous that it made me
laugh.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 5:38:19 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> It's an interesting affection for sure. I couldn't even pick up a loaf
> of bread - one of those lightweight white bread loaves - not even one of
> those Dave's Killer bread loaves. It was so ridiculous that it made me
> laugh.
>
>
I tried not to do anything that would aggravate my elbow but
once or twice I forgot how anything would start the pain. I
remember once, in particular, stopping at the grocery store for
a 1/2 gallon of milk. I walked out carrying that plastic bag
and by the time I got to the truck I was all but screaming in
pain. I didn't do that again!

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar,
>>>>>>> magazine or
>>>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>>>>> the 66
>>>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>>>
>>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>>>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
>>>> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven
>>>> to be effective for eons.
>>>> ====
>>>>
>>> How awful for you!
>>> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had
>>> the appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
>>
>> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!
>>
> They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can become
> carriers too.
> Graham
But it is controversial.

"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 09:19:08 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>>On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a
>>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar,
>>>>>>>> magazine or
>>>>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>>>>>> the 66
>>>>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>>>>
>>>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>>>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>>>>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
>>>>> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven
>>>>> to be effective for eons.
>>>>> ====
>>>>>
>>>> How awful for you!
>>>> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had
>>>> the appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
>>>
>>> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!
>>>
>>They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can become
>>carriers too.
>>Graham
>
> the overall problem is that if it isn't received at an early enough
> age, it is too late. Because either the girl will become sexually
> active and exposed or if 'pure', chances are her husband will have
> been exposed. I would really be angry at my mother if she left me
> open to cancer when there was a good way to avoid it.
> Janet US

The vaccine can cause paralysis. Not a chance I'm willing to take.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>>>any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>>>for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>>>treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>>>that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>>>had to go back.
>>
>> I've had the same experience.
>>
>> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
>> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
>> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
>> was a malingerer.
>>
>> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
>> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
>> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
>> haven't been back.
>>
>> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
>> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
>> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
>>
>
> Are physiotherapists the same as Chiropractors? I have been
> to -physiotherapists and they were wonderful!

No. Not the same.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has great
>>>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him or
>>>>any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors
>>>>for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for regular
>>>>treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of issues
>>>>that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I never
>>>>had to go back.
>>>
>>> I've had the same experience.
>>>
>>> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago. My
>>> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I had
>>> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested that I
>>> was a malingerer.
>>>
>>> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem in
>>> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with massage,
>>> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully, and I
>>> haven't been back.
>>>
>>> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
>>> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the past
>>> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
>>>
>>
>> Are physiotherapists the same as Chiropractors? I have been
>> to -physiotherapists and they were wonderful!
>
> No. Not the same.

Thanks, a previous post was a bit confusing.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 00:20:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> snip
>>
>>I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.
>
> You have the opportunity to save your daughter from cervical cancer at
> the very least. Why wouldn't you?
> Janet US

Because I don't want to take the chance of her being paralyzed. And it's not
just one shot. It's a series. I know a girl who is a year younger than her.
First shot? No problem. Second shot? Wound up in the hospital and now she
can't walk. The shot is controversial and the Drs. here can not recommend
it. Or not, not recommend it. They merely just ask if you want it or not.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news...-and-paralysis

http://kidshealth.org/en/teens/gbs-hpv.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hpv-vacc...ens-paralysis/

There are plenty more links.

My daughter is very prone to allergic reactions and side effects to things.
So much so that her Drs. now don't even want to prescribe something unless
it is totally necessary. I am not going to get into all of that here, but
this past year wasn't pretty and she had to go see a specialist to help her
recover from the side effects of a med. Thankfully that is behind us now.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-05-31 9:20 AM, Janet B wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 00:20:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>> snip
>>>
>>> I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.
>>
>> You have the opportunity to save your daughter from cervical cancer at
>> the very least. Why wouldn't you?
>
>
> This is a woman who has had a foot infection that put her out of service
> for more than a week but who insists on drinking a dozen cans of diet soda
> every day despite being advised that it causes the same sort of problems
> that sugar does. She has proved herself to be resistance to fact and
> logic based advice.

Those of you who are recommending the vaccine do not have kid of the age to
get it. If you did, and you had them get the vaccine, knowing the possible
consequences, I'd think even less of you than I do now. It's also not one
shot but a series of three.

My foot infection is not what put me out of service. It was the incompetent
Drs. I saw for it and their bungling actions.

As to the diet soda, nobody advised me that it causes the same sorts of
problems that sugar does. That's an out and out lie.

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 1:20:45 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>> >> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>> >>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>> >>>> ...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>> >>>>>>>> like,
>> >>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>> >>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>> yogurt.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jill
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>> >>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>> >>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>> >>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>> >>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>> >>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>> >>>>>>> on either.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a
>> >>>>>> natural
>> >>>>>> source
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>> >>>>>> supplement.
>> >>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine
>> >>>>> or
>> >>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>> >>>>> true
>> >>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>> >>>>> the 66
>> >>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>> >>>
>> >>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>> >>
>> >> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>> >> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>> >> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
>> >> that
>> >> from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven to be
>> >> effective for eons.
>> >> ====
>> >>
>> > How awful for you!
>> > I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had
>> > the
>> > appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
>> > Graham
>>
>> I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.
>
> Are you nuts?...it is VERY important to have the HPV vaccination. Of
> course YOUR child or children are not in danger as they are good Christian
> and moral beings and will never be promiscuous. Wake up lady and smell the
> flowers, its a new world out there.
> ====

Wrong. If it were that important, then it would be added to the lists of
required shots. It's not. It's controversial.

We're not Christians. Just stuff it.

"l not -l" > wrote in message
...
>
> On 31-May-2016, wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:33:01 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>> > On Tue, 31 May 2016 15:10:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > wrote in message
>> > .. .
>> > >> On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:52:01 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > >> >
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>"Doris Night" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > >>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:06:36 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > >>>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>On 2016-05-30 7:50 PM, wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Add chiropractors to that list. I am watching a friend who has
>> > >>>>>great
>> > >>>>>> faith in hers get steadily worse.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>I have a friend who is a chiropractor, but I would never go to him
>> > >>>>>or
>> > >>>>>any other chiropractor. I know lots of people who go to
>> > >>>>>chiropractors
>> > >>>>>for various issues, and every one of them has to go back for
>> > >>>>>regular
>> > >>>>>treatments. They are are never cured. I have had a number of
>> > >>>>>issues
>> > >>>>>that were treated with physiotherapy and they were corrected and I
>> > >>>>>never
>> > >>>>>had to go back.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I've had the same experience.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I had an issue with my groin and lower back about two years ago.
>> > >>>> My
>> > >>>> family doctor didn't seem to take me seriously when I told her I
>> > >>>> had
>> > >>>> trouble bending and doing things like vacuuming. She suggested
>> > >>>> that
>> > >>>> I
>> > >>>> was a malingerer.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I went to a physiotherapist, and he nailed the cause of my problem
>> > >>>> in
>> > >>>> about 10 minutes. I saw him twice a week for 4 weeks, with
>> > >>>> massage,
>> > >>>> heat treatment, and electrotherapy. He fixed me up beautifully,
>> > >>>> and
>> > >>>> I
>> > >>>> haven't been back.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> A few people in my husband's family swear by this one specific
>> > >>>> chiropractor, and they go to him every couple of weeks. For the
>> > >>>> past
>> > >>>> six or seven years. But he works wonders, apparently.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Are physiotherapists the same as Chiropractors? I have been
>> > >>>to -physiotherapists and they were wonderful!
>> > >>
>> > >> No, physios here usually work in conjunction with doctors to get you
>> > >> to exercise, bend or whatever, joints that are in trouble.
>> > >
>> > >Yes, that is kind of how it works here. I just wondered if it were
>> > >different for you.
>> >
>> > If you want to go to a chiropractor you have to pay, it is not
>> > considered a medical need since they are not doctors.
>>
>> I've had medical insurance that would pay for chiropractic.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
> Medicare pays for a number of chiropractic procedures, as does United
> Healthcare Medicare Supplemental.

Yes.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/31/2016 8:08 AM, wrote:
>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 9:33:23 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> One time when I went for my tennis elbow treatment my therapist poke
>>> and prodded for a while and then asked me if I was in a lot of pain. I
>>> had not said anything, but I was. I had been cutting and splitting wood.
>>> She could feel the tension and the swelling in my tendons. I was
>>> impressed.
>>>
>>>
>> I had tennis elbow about 8 years ago and it was TERRIBLE.
>> All I did was let it rest and it took a good year to finally
>> not give me anymore trouble. What did your therapist do for
>> your elbow?
>>
>
> I've had tendinitis several times. It's a real drag. I think an important
> part of the treatment is to take ibuprofen or some other NSAIDs. This
> helps with the healing process as well as give some pain relief.

I had it in my foot from too much exercise and wearing Bass Weejuns. I had a
high dose of Ibuprofen but I was unable to rest it like I should due to my
job. Weird thing is, the Dr. was going to send me to physical therapy where
he said they would pack my foot in ice. I didn't want that. Woke up the next
morning and the pain was gone.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Roy" > wrote in message

>> Are you nuts?...it is VERY important to have the HPV vaccination. Of
>> course YOUR child or children are not in danger as they are good
>> Christian and moral beings and will never be promiscuous. Wake up lady
>> and smell the flowers, its a new world out there.
>> ====
>
> Wrong. If it were that important, then it would be added to the lists of
> required shots. It's not. It's controversial.
>
> We're not Christians. Just stuff it.

He obviously knows nothing about your religious beliefs, just popping off
and making stuff up.

Cheri
>

In article >, says...
>
> "Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 1:20:45 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> "graham" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
> >> >> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> >> >>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
> >> >>>> ...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
> >> >>>>>>>> like,
> >> >>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
> >> >>>>>>>> you
> >> >>>>>>>> yogurt.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Jill
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
> >> >>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
> >> >>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
> >> >>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
> >> >>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
> >> >>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
> >> >>>>>>> on either.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a
> >> >>>>>> natural
> >> >>>>>> source
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
> >> >>>>>> supplement.
> >> >>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, magazine
> >> >>>>> or
> >> >>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
> >> >>>>> true
> >> >>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
> >> >>>>> the 66
> >> >>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> My naturopath first told me this.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
> >> >>
> >> >> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
> >> >> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
> >> >> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
> >> >> that
> >> >> from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven to be
> >> >> effective for eons.
> >> >> ====
> >> >>
> >> > How awful for you!
> >> > I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had
> >> > the
> >> > appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
> >> > Graham
> >>
> >> I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.
> >
> > Are you nuts?...it is VERY important to have the HPV vaccination. Of
> > course YOUR child or children are not in danger as they are good Christian
> > and moral beings and will never be promiscuous. Wake up lady and smell the
> > flowers, its a new world out there.
> > ====
>
> Wrong. If it were that important, then it would be added to the lists of
> required shots. It's not.

It is, in UK

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccina...ges/hpv-human-
papillomavirus-vaccine.aspx

"All girls aged 12 to 13 are offered HPV (human papilloma virus)
vaccination as part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme. The
vaccine protects against cervical cancer. It's usually given to girls in
year eight at schools in England.

According to Cancer Research UK, cervical cancer is the second
mostcommon cancer in women under the age of 35.
Which girls should have the HPV vaccination?

The HPV vaccine is part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme and
is routinely offered to secondary school girls aged 12 and 13.
It's a safe vaccine and there are very few girls who aren't suitable for
HPV vaccination. However, special precautions may need to be taken for
girls with certain health conditions, or who have ever had a severe
allergic reaction (anaphylaxis).

Read more about who should have the HPV vaccine."
HPV vaccine safety

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccina...cine-cervarix-
gardasil-safety.aspx


janet UK

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 03:25:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Janet B" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 00:20:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>> snip
>>>
>>>I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.
>>
>> You have the opportunity to save your daughter from cervical cancer at
>> the very least. Why wouldn't you?
>> Janet US
>
>Because I don't want to take the chance of her being paralyzed. And it's not
>just one shot. It's a series. I know a girl who is a year younger than her.
>First shot? No problem. Second shot? Wound up in the hospital and now she
>can't walk. The shot is controversial and the Drs. here can not recommend
>it. Or not, not recommend it. They merely just ask if you want it or not.
>
>http://health.usnews.com/health-news...-and-paralysis
>
>http://kidshealth.org/en/teens/gbs-hpv.html
>
>http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hpv-vacc...ens-paralysis/
>
>There are plenty more links.
>
>My daughter is very prone to allergic reactions and side effects to things.
>So much so that her Drs. now don't even want to prescribe something unless
>it is totally necessary. I am not going to get into all of that here, but
>this past year wasn't pretty and she had to go see a specialist to help her
>recover from the side effects of a med. Thankfully that is behind us now.

You need to respond to your daughter's health as you see fit. However,
the articles you post prove diddly. The headlines are in reaction to
a parent's blog that instigated a regular review by the CDC and
others. If you read the articles beyond the media headlines, there
is no substantiation to your claims. All point out that the paralysis
easily could be attributed to other causes. One shot? vs. three? Why
is that a big deal? It can't be financial for you. I'm no math
person, but the statistical possibilities considering testing prior to
release to public and the number of shots given so far are pretty
thin. All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible side
effects. My grandsons have had the shots.
Janet US

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 03:12:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"graham" > wrote in message
...
>> On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar,
>>>>>>>> magazine or
>>>>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>>>>>> the 66
>>>>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>>>>
>>>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>>>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>>>>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
>>>>> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven
>>>>> to be effective for eons.
>>>>> ====
>>>>>
>>>> How awful for you!
>>>> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had
>>>> the appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
>>>
>>> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!
>>>
>> They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can become
>> carriers too.
>> Graham
>But it is controversial.

Initially, yes. Mostly parents reaction to thinking of their children
as sexual beings.
Janet US

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "Janet B" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 09:19:08 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a natural
>>>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar,
>>>>>>>>> magazine or
>>>>>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>>>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>>>>>>> the 66
>>>>>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>>>>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>>>>>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
>>>>>> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven
>>>>>> to be effective for eons.
>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>
>>>>> How awful for you!
>>>>> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had
>>>>> the appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
>>>>
>>>> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!
>>>>
>>> They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can become
>>> carriers too.
>>> Graham
>>
>> the overall problem is that if it isn't received at an early enough
>> age, it is too late. Because either the girl will become sexually
>> active and exposed or if 'pure', chances are her husband will have
>> been exposed. I would really be angry at my mother if she left me
>> open to cancer when there was a good way to avoid it.
>> Janet US
>
> The vaccine can cause paralysis. Not a chance I'm willing to take.
>

citation, and frequency of this adverse affect per total number of those
vaccinated, please.

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2016-05-31 9:20 AM, Janet B wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 00:20:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.
>>>
>>> You have the opportunity to save your daughter from cervical cancer at
>>> the very least. Why wouldn't you?
>>
>>
>> This is a woman who has had a foot infection that put her out of service
>> for more than a week but who insists on drinking a dozen cans of diet soda
>> every day despite being advised that it causes the same sort of problems
>> that sugar does. She has proved herself to be resistance to fact and logic
>> based advice.
>
> Those of you who are recommending the vaccine do not have kid of the age to
> get it. If you did, and you had them get the vaccine, knowing the possible
> consequences, I'd think even less of you than I do now. It's also not one
> shot but a series of three.

and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone with
cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV
exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).

Janet B wrote:
>
> All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible side
> effects. My grandsons have had the shots.

Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare you away
from anything that you have to take. Even new drug commercials spend
more time telling you about the side effects rather than the benefits.

IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens. They are almost
adults and should be given the option whether to take them or not. Of
course, *some* teens are NOT sexually active so they don't need the
vaccine until they do start having sex.

It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term effects. I
never had it and neither did you. My daughter never got it either. How
did we ever survive without this new drug.

IMO, it's a mistake for people to run and get the newest nifty
vaccines. At least give it a time test first. I never rush right out
for the newest Windows update. They always find problems later.

I'm with Julie on resisting that vaccine. At least let her daughter
decide.

Janet wrote:
>
> The HPV vaccine is part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme and
> is routinely offered to secondary school girls aged 12 and 13.
> It's a safe vaccine and...

I'll bet you never got one and YOU are still alive. Who are you to
talk?

Don't pick on Julie for this. If anything, it should be Angela's
decision and her's alone. She's old enough to decide.

On 01/06/2016 4:12 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a
>>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar,
>>>>>>>> magazine or
>>>>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to me in
>>>>>>>> the 66
>>>>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>>>>
>>>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>>>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>>>>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
>>>>> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven
>>>>> to be effective for eons.
>>>>> ====
>>>>>
>>>> How awful for you!
>>>> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had
>>>> the appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
>>>
>>> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!
>>>
>> They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can become
>> carriers too.
>> Graham
> But it is controversial.

Only to fundies and anti-vaxxers and they don't count!

On 01/06/2016 4:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Janet B" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 09:19:08 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was
>>>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a
>>>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar,
>>>>>>>>> magazine or
>>>>>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is
>>>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to
>>>>>>>>> me in
>>>>>>>>> the 66
>>>>>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about
>>>>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the
>>>>>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited
>>>>>> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven
>>>>>> to be effective for eons.
>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>
>>>>> How awful for you!
>>>>> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had
>>>>> the appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
>>>>
>>>> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!
>>>>
>>> They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can become
>>> carriers too.
>>> Graham
>>
>> the overall problem is that if it isn't received at an early enough
>> age, it is too late. Because either the girl will become sexually
>> active and exposed or if 'pure', chances are her husband will have
>> been exposed. I would really be angry at my mother if she left me
>> open to cancer when there was a good way to avoid it.
>> Janet US
>
> The vaccine can cause paralysis. Not a chance I'm willing to take.

What a load of ********! FFS stop listening to your stupid naturopath!

barbie gee wrote:
>
> and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone with
> cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV
> exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).

I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why
not?

On 01/06/2016 9:39 AM, barbie gee wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2016-05-31 9:20 AM, Janet B wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 00:20:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>> I draw the line with the HPV. Nope.
>>>>
>>>> You have the opportunity to save your daughter from cervical cancer at
>>>> the very least. Why wouldn't you?
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a woman who has had a foot infection that put her out of
>>> service for more than a week but who insists on drinking a dozen cans
>>> of diet soda every day despite being advised that it causes the same
>>> sort of problems that sugar does. She has proved herself to be
>>> resistance to fact and logic based advice.
>>
>> Those of you who are recommending the vaccine do not have kid of the
>> age to get it. If you did, and you had them get the vaccine, knowing
>> the possible consequences, I'd think even less of you than I do now.
>> It's also not one shot but a series of three.
>
> and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone with
> cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV
> exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).
>
Michael Douglas for example!

On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:00:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>barbie gee wrote:
>>
>> and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone with
>> cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV
>> exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).
>
>I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why
>not?

Have you? Why not?
Janet US