On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 17:06:26 -0600, graham > wrote:

> On 01/06/2016 4:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 15:24:47 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am not sure if it is extremely sad or extremely amusing that she
> >>> rejects every piece of valid advice and information here but is a sponge
> >>> for nonsense factoids.
> >>
> >> It's not amusing to see such an easy cancer (genital warts etc)
> >> prevention being summarily dismissed like that.
> >
> > Please explain how it is easy. You think the very specific timing of
> > three shots over the course of a 6 month period is easy? This is partly
> > why such a small percentage of people have completed it. Statistics seem
> > to vary on this depending on the source but it is somewhere around 30
> > percent who have had all three. Don't have all three? Might not have
> > even bothered for the first one.
>
> And that is your reason for not letting your daughter have the shot?
> Sheesh!!!!

The short answer to her question is YES, it is easy. Make your
appointments and mark your calendar.

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sf

On 6/1/2016 6:30 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>

>> Are you nuts?...it is VERY important to have the HPV vaccination. Of
>> course YOUR child or children are not in danger as they are good
>> Christian and moral beings and will never be promiscuous. Wake up lady
>> and smell the flowers, its a new world out there.
>> ====
>
> Wrong. If it were that important, then it would be added to the lists of
> required shots. It's not. It's controversial.
>
> We're not Christians. Just stuff it.


It is not the same as measles, mumps or polio so it won't be required,
but it definitely bears investigating.

I don't have children of that age so I have not investigted enough to
make a recommendation, but it look like a good idea.

On 6/1/2016 16:38, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> No. That is not the reason at all. We're done. You can't fix stupid.

You would be living proof of that.

On 01/06/2016 5:38 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 01/06/2016 4:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 15:24:47 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure if it is extremely sad or extremely amusing that she
>>>>> rejects every piece of valid advice and information here but is a
>>>>> sponge
>>>>> for nonsense factoids.
>>>>
>>>> It's not amusing to see such an easy cancer (genital warts etc)
>>>> prevention being summarily dismissed like that.
>>>
>>> Please explain how it is easy. You think the very specific timing of
>>> three shots over the course of a 6 month period is easy? This is partly
>>> why such a small percentage of people have completed it. Statistics seem
>>> to vary on this depending on the source but it is somewhere around 30
>>> percent who have had all three. Don't have all three? Might not have
>>> even bothered for the first one.
>>
>> And that is your reason for not letting your daughter have the shot?
>> Sheesh!!!!
>
> No. That is not the reason at all. We're done. You can't fix stupid.
You said it, Babe!

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 16:37:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Janet B" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 15:24:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"barbie gee" > wrote in message
>>>news:alpine.DEB.2.02.1606011034570.26985@sghcrg .sghcrg.pbz...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 09:19:08 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yogurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> magazine or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>>>>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 66
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young
>>>>>>>>>>>>> child).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My naturopath first told me this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe
>>>>>>>>>>> anything!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have
>>>>>>>>>> inherited
>>>>>>>>>> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been
>>>>>>>>>> proven
>>>>>>>>>> to be effective for eons.
>>>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How awful for you!
>>>>>>>>> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> the appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can
>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>> carriers too.
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the overall problem is that if it isn't received at an early enough
>>>>>> age, it is too late. Because either the girl will become sexually
>>>>>> active and exposed or if 'pure', chances are her husband will have
>>>>>> been exposed. I would really be angry at my mother if she left me
>>>>>> open to cancer when there was a good way to avoid it.
>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>> The vaccine can cause paralysis. Not a chance I'm willing to take.
>>>>
>>>> citation, and frequency of this adverse affect per total number of those
>>>> vaccinated, please.
>>>
>>>I don't have those statistics. I did put up links. The Drs. we see say
>>>that
>>>they can only offer the vaccine. It is up to us to do research. They can
>>>not
>>>recommend it. Nor can they not recommend it. Only offer it if we want it.
>>>Here's some more links. I think the main problem is that the vaccine is
>>>too
>>>new to have statistics.
>>>
>>>http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hpv-vacc...ens-paralysis/
>>>
>>>http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hpv-vacc...ens-paralysis/
>>
>> You posted these links previously and twice again. Read more than the
>> media headlines. The story behind the "catch your attention"
>> headlines is that over 8 million women have had the shots. Doctors
>> say that there is no evidence that the people in question wouldn't
>> have had the paralysis from other causes; they can find no link. You
>> should read this stuff before you make conclusions and post.
>> Janet US
>
>We're done, Janet. You and I are clearly on different planes despite our age
>difference.

I won't argue that.
Janet US

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/1/2016 12:37 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>>
>> IMO, it's a mistake for people to run and get the newest nifty
>> vaccines. At least give it a time test first. I never rush right out
>> for the newest Windows update. They always find problems later.
>>
>> I'm with Julie on resisting that vaccine. At least let her daughter
>> decide.
>>
>
> Why? The people here at RFC are the ones to decide family matters.
> Collectively we know what is best for her.

Ha.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> In article >, says...
>> >
>> > Janet wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In article >, says...
>> > > >
>> > > > Janet B wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible
>> > > > > side effects. My grandsons have had the shots.
>> > > >
>> > > > Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare you
>> > > > away from anything that you have to take. Even new drug
>> > > > commercials spend more time telling you about the side effects
>> > > > rather than the benefits.
>> > > >
>> > > > IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens.
>> > >
>> > > Most 12 yr olds have no concept of their own vulnerability to
>> > > the commonest STD in USA; and you can hardly expect them to
>> > > grasp it might kill them in one of several particularly horrible
>> > > ways. Kids might "know" that people die from smoking, drugs,
>> > > alcohol; but they are so sure it won't happen to them they do
>> > > that stuff anyway.
>> > >
>> > > They are almost
>> > > > adults and should be given the option whether to take them or
>> > > > not. Of course, some teens are NOT sexually active so they
>> > > > don't need the vaccine until they do start having sex.
>> > >
>> > > You miss the point. Young teens might not be having
>> > > penetrative intercourse, but they may be open-mouth kissing and
>> > > mutually masturbating, and HPV can be transmitted by both.
>> > > >
>> > > > It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term
>> > > > effects. I never had it and neither did you. My daughter never
>> > > > got it either.
>> > >
>> > > Maybe you both have HPV.
>> > >
>> > > http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.htm
>> > >
>> > > "HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection (STI).
>> > > HPV is so common that nearly all sexually active men and women
>> > > get it at some point in their lives."
>> > >
>> > > Janet.
>> >
>> > Do you have it, Janet?
>>
>> Given the statistics of HPV prevalence I've probably had it,
>> decades before vaccination was available.
>>
>> > Have you been vaccinated?
>>
>> Of course not, stupid.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> I got it in 2007-2008 or so. Military related service thing.
>

I highly doubt that.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/1/2016 6:30 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>>> Are you nuts?...it is VERY important to have the HPV vaccination. Of
>>> course YOUR child or children are not in danger as they are good
>>> Christian and moral beings and will never be promiscuous. Wake up lady
>>> and smell the flowers, its a new world out there.
>>> ====
>>
>> Wrong. If it were that important, then it would be added to the lists of
>> required shots. It's not. It's controversial.
>>
>> We're not Christians. Just stuff it.
>
>
> It is not the same as measles, mumps or polio so it won't be required, but
> it definitely bears investigating.
>
> I don't have children of that age so I have not investigted enough to make
> a recommendation, but it look like a good idea.

Investigated then dismissed. If it were really so great, then why don't most
kids get it? Fact is, most do not.

Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Gary > wrote:
>>> Janet B wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible side
>>>> effects. My grandsons have had the shots.
>>>
>>> Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare you away
>>> from anything that you have to take. Even new drug commercials spend
>>> more time telling you about the side effects rather than the benefits.
>>>
>>> IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens. They are almost
>>> adults and should be given the option whether to take them or not. Of
>>> course, *some* teens are NOT sexually active so they don't need the
>>> vaccine until they do start having sex.
>>>
>>> It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term effects. I
>>> never had it and neither did you. My daughter never got it either. How
>>> did we ever survive without this new drug.
>>>
>>> IMO, it's a mistake for people to run and get the newest nifty
>>> vaccines. At least give it a time test first. I never rush right out
>>> for the newest Windows update. They always find problems later.
>>>
>>> I'm with Julie on resisting that vaccine. At least let her daughter
>>> decide.
>>>
>>
>> The problem is this. How many teens do you know that make healthy
>> decisions about sexuality? The vaccine is given as a course of 3 doses,
>> given over a 6 month timeframe. No teenager is going to make a
>> conscientious decision to become sexually active, THEN go get the shot
>> then
>> wait half a year to act. Not gonna happen. And once you start having
>> sex,
>> it's almost pointless to then get the vaccine as you've already been
>> exposed (and will keep getting exposed) to HPV. Whether exposure is to
>> one
>> of the strains that causes cancer or not is like playing Russian roulette.
>> That is why the recommended age to get the vaccine is right around the age
>> of 11-12. Is this really a decision an 11-12 year old could or should be
>> making? You may think this vaccine isn't necessary, but if you knew even
>> one woman with cervical cancer from HPV (and they now say all cervical
>> cancer is caused by HPV) you may think otherwise. Of course you survived
>> without it. You don't have a cervix.
>
> You're missing the point. The vaccine is so new that we don't know the
> safety of it. And there are known issues. I don't think he said it wasn't
> necessary. Just that its safety isn't proven.
>
> How old are you? How many people do you know who had cervical cancer? I'm
> almost 57. I know one person. I know far more people who have had other
> kinds of cancers than that.
>
>

I have missed no point. The vaccine has been on the market for 10 years
now. It is not that new. All the links you posted are nearly that old,
from the hysteria days of it. I am younger than you by 10 years. I also
have a daughter that is younger than yours. I know 2 people that have had
cervical cancer. And by know, I mean in person, either by blood kinship or
by close friendship. You are entitled to your opinion, but please provide
valid, CREDIBLE, recent information backing your perspective up.

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Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 12:59:45 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>> barbie gee wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone
>>>>> with
>>>>> cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV
>>>>> exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).
>>>>
>>>> I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why
>>>> not?
>>>
>>> I can't speak for Barbie Gee, but I haven't gotten it BECAUSE IT DIDN'T
>>> EXIST UNTIL AFTER I BECAME SEXUALLY ACTIVE. No point locking the barn
>>> door after the horse is stolen.
>>>
>>> Sorry for shouting. Some things just seem so painfully self-evident
>>> that I fly right off the handle.
>>>
>>
>> You said what the rest of us were thinking.
>
> That part was obvious. But take it to the next step. How many of us here who
> did not get the shot, got HPV? Ha!
>
>

Almost every human who had ever had sex has the HPV virus lurking in their
body.

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"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 12:59:45 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>>> barbie gee wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV
>>>>>> exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why
>>>>> not?
>>>>
>>>> I can't speak for Barbie Gee, but I haven't gotten it BECAUSE IT DIDN'T
>>>> EXIST UNTIL AFTER I BECAME SEXUALLY ACTIVE. No point locking the barn
>>>> door after the horse is stolen.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for shouting. Some things just seem so painfully self-evident
>>>> that I fly right off the handle.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You said what the rest of us were thinking.
>>
>> That part was obvious. But take it to the next step. How many of us here
>> who
>> did not get the shot, got HPV? Ha!
>>
>>
>
> Almost every human who had ever had sex has the HPV virus lurking in their
> body.

But not cancer. Right?

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > In article >, says...
> > > >
> >>> Janet wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > In article >, says...
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Janet B wrote:
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible
> >>> > > > side effects. My grandsons have had the shots.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare you
> >>> > > away from anything that you have to take. Even new drug
> >>> > > commercials spend more time telling you about the side effects
> >>> > > rather than the benefits.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens.
> >>> >
> >>> > Most 12 yr olds have no concept of their own vulnerability to
> >>> > the commonest STD in USA; and you can hardly expect them to
> >>> > grasp it might kill them in one of several particularly horrible
> >>> > ways. Kids might "know" that people die from smoking, drugs,
> >>> > alcohol; but they are so sure it won't happen to them they do
> >>> > that stuff anyway.
> >>> >
> >>> > They are almost
> >>> > > adults and should be given the option whether to take them or
> >>> > > not. Of course, some teens are NOT sexually active so they
> >>> > > don't need the vaccine until they do start having sex.
> >>> >
> >>> > You miss the point. Young teens might not be having
> >>> > penetrative intercourse, but they may be open-mouth kissing and
> >>> > mutually masturbating, and HPV can be transmitted by both.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term
> >>> > > effects. I never had it and neither did you. My daughter never
> >>> > > got it either.
> >>> >
> >>> > Maybe you both have HPV.
> >>> >
> >>> > http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.htm
> >>> >
> >>> > "HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection (STI).
> >>> > HPV is so common that nearly all sexually active men and women
> >>> > get it at some point in their lives."
> >>> >
> >>> > Janet.
> > > >
> >>> Do you have it, Janet?
> > >
> >> Given the statistics of HPV prevalence I've probably had it,
> > > decades before vaccination was available.
> > >
> >>> Have you been vaccinated?
> > >
> >> Of course not, stupid.
> > >
> >> Janet UK
> >
> > I got it in 2007-2008 or so. Military related service thing.
> >
>
> I highly doubt that.

You can doubt all you want.

Seems later reviews say has to be done before exposure. Maybe they
didnt know that then.

No, I am not scanning my personal medical records to you.

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Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 12:59:45 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> barbie gee wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV
>>>>>>> exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why
>>>>>> not?
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't speak for Barbie Gee, but I haven't gotten it BECAUSE IT DIDN'T
>>>>> EXIST UNTIL AFTER I BECAME SEXUALLY ACTIVE. No point locking the barn
>>>>> door after the horse is stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for shouting. Some things just seem so painfully self-evident
>>>>> that I fly right off the handle.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You said what the rest of us were thinking.
>>>
>>> That part was obvious. But take it to the next step. How many of us here
>>> who
>>> did not get the shot, got HPV? Ha!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Almost every human who had ever had sex has the HPV virus lurking in their
>> body.
>
> But not cancer. Right?
>
>

Not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer. Is that a valid reason to smoke?

Nearly 100% of all cervical cancer is caused by the HPV virus. So....

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cshenk > wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Janet B wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible
>>>>>>>> side effects. My grandsons have had the shots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare you
>>>>>>> away from anything that you have to take. Even new drug
>>>>>>> commercials spend more time telling you about the side effects
>>>>>>> rather than the benefits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most 12 yr olds have no concept of their own vulnerability to
>>>>>> the commonest STD in USA; and you can hardly expect them to
>>>>>> grasp it might kill them in one of several particularly horrible
>>>>>> ways. Kids might "know" that people die from smoking, drugs,
>>>>>> alcohol; but they are so sure it won't happen to them they do
>>>>>> that stuff anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are almost
>>>>>>> adults and should be given the option whether to take them or
>>>>>>> not. Of course, some teens are NOT sexually active so they
>>>>>>> don't need the vaccine until they do start having sex.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You miss the point. Young teens might not be having
>>>>>> penetrative intercourse, but they may be open-mouth kissing and
>>>>>> mutually masturbating, and HPV can be transmitted by both.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term
>>>>>>> effects. I never had it and neither did you. My daughter never
>>>>>>> got it either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you both have HPV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection (STI).
>>>>>> HPV is so common that nearly all sexually active men and women
>>>>>> get it at some point in their lives."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have it, Janet?
>>>>
>>>> Given the statistics of HPV prevalence I've probably had it,
>>>> decades before vaccination was available.
>>>>
>>>>> Have you been vaccinated?
>>>>
>>>> Of course not, stupid.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>> I got it in 2007-2008 or so. Military related service thing.
>>>
>>
>> I highly doubt that.
>
> You can doubt all you want.
>
> Seems later reviews say has to be done before exposure. Maybe they
> didnt know that then.
>
> No, I am not scanning my personal medical records to you.
>

Are you sure it was HPV or was it HBV?

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"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> > > In article >, says...
>> > > >
>> >>> Janet wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > In article >, says...
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Janet B wrote:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible
>> >>> > > > side effects. My grandsons have had the shots.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare you
>> >>> > > away from anything that you have to take. Even new drug
>> >>> > > commercials spend more time telling you about the side effects
>> >>> > > rather than the benefits.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Most 12 yr olds have no concept of their own vulnerability to
>> >>> > the commonest STD in USA; and you can hardly expect them to
>> >>> > grasp it might kill them in one of several particularly horrible
>> >>> > ways. Kids might "know" that people die from smoking, drugs,
>> >>> > alcohol; but they are so sure it won't happen to them they do
>> >>> > that stuff anyway.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > They are almost
>> >>> > > adults and should be given the option whether to take them or
>> >>> > > not. Of course, some teens are NOT sexually active so they
>> >>> > > don't need the vaccine until they do start having sex.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > You miss the point. Young teens might not be having
>> >>> > penetrative intercourse, but they may be open-mouth kissing and
>> >>> > mutually masturbating, and HPV can be transmitted by both.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term
>> >>> > > effects. I never had it and neither did you. My daughter never
>> >>> > > got it either.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Maybe you both have HPV.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.htm
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection (STI).
>> >>> > HPV is so common that nearly all sexually active men and women
>> >>> > get it at some point in their lives."
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Janet.
>> > > >
>> >>> Do you have it, Janet?
>> > >
>> >> Given the statistics of HPV prevalence I've probably had it,
>> > > decades before vaccination was available.
>> > >
>> >>> Have you been vaccinated?
>> > >
>> >> Of course not, stupid.
>> > >
>> >> Janet UK
>> >
>> > I got it in 2007-2008 or so. Military related service thing.
>> >
>>
>> I highly doubt that.
>
> You can doubt all you want.
>
> Seems later reviews say has to be done before exposure. Maybe they
> didnt know that then.
>
> No, I am not scanning my personal medical records to you.

I don't want to see your medical records. But then information about it has
always been age 10 or so to age 26. Now some sources say it can be given
earlier if the child was sexually abused.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>
>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 12:59:45 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> barbie gee wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from
>>>>>>>> HPV
>>>>>>>> exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why
>>>>>>> not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't speak for Barbie Gee, but I haven't gotten it BECAUSE IT
>>>>>> DIDN'T
>>>>>> EXIST UNTIL AFTER I BECAME SEXUALLY ACTIVE. No point locking the
>>>>>> barn
>>>>>> door after the horse is stolen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for shouting. Some things just seem so painfully self-evident
>>>>>> that I fly right off the handle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You said what the rest of us were thinking.
>>>>
>>>> That part was obvious. But take it to the next step. How many of us
>>>> here
>>>> who
>>>> did not get the shot, got HPV? Ha!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Almost every human who had ever had sex has the HPV virus lurking in
>>> their
>>> body.
>>
>> But not cancer. Right?
>>
>>
>
> Not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer. Is that a valid reason to
> smoke?
>
> Nearly 100% of all cervical cancer is caused by the HPV virus. So....

And how common is it in terms of cancer? I know plenty of people who have
had cancer. Only one who had that.

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 21:46:49 -0500, jinx the minx >
wrote:

> Not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer. Is that a valid reason to smoke?
>
> Nearly 100% of all cervical cancer is caused by the HPV virus. So....

It causes so much more than cervical cancer.

--

sf

Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>>
>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 12:59:45 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>> barbie gee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from
>>>>>>>>> HPV
>>>>>>>>> exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why
>>>>>>>> not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't speak for Barbie Gee, but I haven't gotten it BECAUSE IT
>>>>>>> DIDN'T
>>>>>>> EXIST UNTIL AFTER I BECAME SEXUALLY ACTIVE. No point locking the
>>>>>>> barn
>>>>>>> door after the horse is stolen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for shouting. Some things just seem so painfully self-evident
>>>>>>> that I fly right off the handle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said what the rest of us were thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>> That part was obvious. But take it to the next step. How many of us
>>>>> here
>>>>> who
>>>>> did not get the shot, got HPV? Ha!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Almost every human who had ever had sex has the HPV virus lurking in
>>>> their
>>>> body.
>>>
>>> But not cancer. Right?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer. Is that a valid reason to
>> smoke?
>>
>> Nearly 100% of all cervical cancer is caused by the HPV virus. So....
>
> And how common is it in terms of cancer? I know plenty of people who have
> had cancer. Only one who had that.
>
>

Worldwide, it is the third most common cancer in women, and the 2nd most
common cancer related death. Rates in the US are lower, mostly because of
the routine Pap smear, which is able to detect cancer in its earliest or
pre-cancerous stages, thus allowing women to get early intervention and
treatment. In third world countries, it is one of the top killers of
women. That you only know one person just has no bearing on its commonness
or relevance. Since HPV is considered an STD and some people in the US
have hang ups about things that have to do with sexuality, if you had it
and it developed into cancer, would you be sharing that diagnosis with
everyone? Especially if it was caught early and just needed minimal
topical treatment to cure it? I doubt it. You'd have your LEEP procedure
and be on with your life the next day.

To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed with cervical
cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only 267 injuries
and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but I'd bet you
take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions I mean, you
know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your hand when
it's lightning.

--
jinx the minx

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/1/2016 12:37 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>>
>> IMO, it's a mistake for people to run and get the newest nifty
>> vaccines. At least give it a time test first. I never rush right out
>> for the newest Windows update. They always find problems later.
>>
>> I'm with Julie on resisting that vaccine. At least let her daughter
>> decide.
>>
>
> Why? The people here at RFC are the ones to decide family matters.
> Collectively we know what is best for her.

Always it seems.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 6:57:48 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 12:59:45 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> > barbie gee wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone
> >> > > with
> >> > > cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV
> >> > > exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).
> >> >
> >> > I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why
> >> > not?
> >>
> >> I can't speak for Barbie Gee, but I haven't gotten it BECAUSE IT DIDN'T
> >> EXIST UNTIL AFTER I BECAME SEXUALLY ACTIVE. No point locking the barn
> >> door after the horse is stolen.
> >>
> >> Sorry for shouting. Some things just seem so painfully self-evident
> >> that I fly right off the handle.
> >>
> >
> > You said what the rest of us were thinking.
>
> That part was obvious. But take it to the next step. How many of us here who
> did not get the shot, got HPV? Ha!

You can harbor HPV asymptomatically. I'd wager (a small amount) that quite
a few of us here would test positive for the virus without ever having
had genital warts or cervical cancer.

Cindy Hamilton

sf > wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 21:46:49 -0500, jinx the minx >
> wrote:
>
>> Not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer. Is that a valid reason to smoke?
>>
>> Nearly 100% of all cervical cancer is caused by the HPV virus. So....
>
> It causes so much more than cervical cancer.
>

Exactly.

--
jinx the minx

>On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >
>wrote:
>
snip
>>
>>To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed with cervical
>>cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only 267 injuries
>>and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but I'd bet you
>>take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions I mean, you
>>know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your hand when
>>it's lightning.

What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is that
we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a "cure"
for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there are
those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention than
all the ugly possibilities a cure entails.
BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical
cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately.
Janet US

On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>
>
>>On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >
>>wrote:
>>
>snip
>>>
>>>To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed with cervical
>>>cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only 267 injuries
>>>and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but I'd bet you
>>>take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions I mean, you
>>>know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your hand when
>>>it's lightning.
>
>What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is that
>we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a "cure"
>for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there are
>those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention than
>all the ugly possibilities a cure entails.
>BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical
>cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately.
>Janet US

That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a pap
smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had decided
she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well.

There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping
cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor'
whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged and
then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum by
the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, people
still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given all
these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children.

I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to
protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully understand
the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously
comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive
pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular pap
smear.

On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:45:22 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>snip
>>>>
>>>>To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed with cervical
>>>>cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only 267 injuries
>>>>and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but I'd bet you
>>>>take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions I mean, you
>>>>know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your hand when
>>>>it's lightning.
>>
>>What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is that
>>we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a "cure"
>>for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there are
>>those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention than
>>all the ugly possibilities a cure entails.
>>BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical
>>cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately.
>>Janet US
>
>That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a pap
>smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had decided
>she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well.
>
>There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping
>cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor'
>whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged and
>then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum by
>the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, people
>still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given all
>these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children.
>
>I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to
>protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully understand
>the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously
>comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive
>pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular pap
>smear.

from what I have read, the major resistance to getting the vaccine is
because it is recommended for 12 year old children. Parents simply
can't handle thinking in terms of sexual consequences within their
children's lives. You may have seen Julie's response upstream. She
said I was sick to think of children that way.
Janet US

On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 6:34:27 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> What I think is really odd is that the people here pushing for this vaccine
> do not have kids of an age to get it. If they did they'd likely be talking
> to other parents and getting information from the school like we did.

Right. The best medical experts are teachers and acquaintances. My kids have been vaccinated and no longer need to worry about this cause of cancer.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:03:41 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:45:22 -0300, wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>snip
> >>>>
> >>>>To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed with cervical
> >>>>cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only 267 injuries
> >>>>and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but I'd bet you
> >>>>take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions I mean, you
> >>>>know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your hand when
> >>>>it's lightning.
> >>
> >>What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is that
> >>we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a "cure"
> >>for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there are
> >>those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention than
> >>all the ugly possibilities a cure entails.
> >>BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical
> >>cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately.
> >>Janet US
> >
> >That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a pap
> >smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had decided
> >she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well.
> >
> >There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping
> >cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor'
> >whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged and
> >then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum by
> >the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, people
> >still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given all
> >these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children.
> >
> >I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to
> >protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully understand
> >the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously
> >comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive
> >pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular pap
> >smear.
>
> from what I have read, the major resistance to getting the vaccine is
> because it is recommended for 12 year old children. Parents simply
> can't handle thinking in terms of sexual consequences within their
> children's lives. You may have seen Julie's response upstream. She
> said I was sick to think of children that way.
> Janet US

and teenage females never get pregnant.
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-shee...ductive-health
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/pub...-united-states


--

sf

On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 07:20:08 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person
> wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 6:34:27 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > What I think is really odd is that the people here pushing for this vaccine
> > do not have kids of an age to get it. If they did they'd likely be talking
> > to other parents and getting information from the school like we did.
>
> Right. The best medical experts are teachers and acquaintances. My kids have been vaccinated and no longer need to worry about this cause of cancer.
>

I'm sure Washington school districts have health awareness programs,
just like everywhere else in the country. They can only attempt to
educate and make students/parents aware, so that they initiate the
next step and talk to their doctor.

You can lead a horse to water....

--

sf

On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 9:45:30 AM UTC-4, wrote:

If the daughter has a positive
> pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular pap
> smear.

There must be several studies somewhere that claim pap smears are extremely dangerous.

http://www.richardfisher.com

Helpful person > wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 6:34:27 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> What I think is really odd is that the people here pushing for this vaccine
>> do not have kids of an age to get it. If they did they'd likely be talking
>> to other parents and getting information from the school like we did.
>
> Right. The best medical experts are teachers and acquaintances. My kids
> have been vaccinated and no longer need to worry about this cause of cancer.
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com
>

I am a parent of a daughter coming into vaccination age, and I assure you
my opinions are not made based on what other parents or the school says.

--
jinx the minx

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-06-01 1:49 PM, Roy wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 11:33:11 AM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>> On 01/06/2016 11:19 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Janet B wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:00:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> barbie gee wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV
>>>>>>> exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why
>>>>>> not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you? Why not?
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>> No, I haven't gotten one and I don't care about one.
>>>> I'm good and no one needs to pick on Julie about it either.
>>>>
>>> We are not picking on her! We are trying to help her see straight!
>>
>> And that in itself is a tough job, as Julie reads/listens to QUACK
>> doctors who apparently give out BAD advice.
>>
>
>
> I am not sure if it is extremely sad or extremely amusing that she rejects
> every piece of valid advice and information here but is a sponge for
> nonsense factoids.

Valid advice here? LMAO

Cheri

In article >, says...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 15:24:47 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I am not sure if it is extremely sad or extremely amusing that she
> >> rejects every piece of valid advice and information here but is a sponge
> >> for nonsense factoids.
> >
> > It's not amusing to see such an easy cancer (genital warts etc)
> > prevention being summarily dismissed like that.
>
> Please explain how it is easy. You think the very specific timing of three
> shots over the course of a 6 month period is easy?

I don't see any problem with that at all. No harder than the routine
baby vaccination program here (at 2, 3, 4, 12 months ,and more later).


Janet. UK

In article >, says...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 12:59:45 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> > barbie gee wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone
> >> > > with
> >> > > cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV
> >> > > exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men).
> >> >
> >> > I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why
> >> > not?
> >>
> >> I can't speak for Barbie Gee, but I haven't gotten it BECAUSE IT DIDN'T
> >> EXIST UNTIL AFTER I BECAME SEXUALLY ACTIVE. No point locking the barn
> >> door after the horse is stolen.
> >>
> >> Sorry for shouting. Some things just seem so painfully self-evident
> >> that I fly right off the handle.
> >>
> >
> > You said what the rest of us were thinking.
>
> That part was obvious. But take it to the next step. How many of us here who
> did not get the shot, got HPV? Ha!

Most of us, according to statistics.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.htm

"HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection (STI)....HPV is
so common that nearly all sexually active men and women get it at some
point in their lives. ..HPV can be passed even when an infected person
has no signs or symptoms.Anyone who is sexually active can get HPV, even
if you have had sex with only one person. You also can develop symptoms
years after you have sex with someone who is infected making it hard to
know when you first became infected."

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove > wrote:

> >> That part was obvious. But take it to the next step. How many of us here
> >> who
> >> did not get the shot, got HPV? Ha!
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Almost every human who had ever had sex has the HPV virus lurking in their
> > body.
>
> But not cancer. Right?

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/

Based on data from 2006 to 2010, about 33,200 HPV-associated cancers
occur in the United States each year: about 20,600 among females, and
about 12,600 among males. Cervical cancer is the most common HPV-
associated cancer among women, and oropharyngeal cancers (cancers of the
back of the throat, including the base of the tongue and tonsils) are
the most common among men."

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cervica...uide/cervical-
cancer-key-statistics

The American Cancer Society's estimates for cervical cancer in the
United States for 2016 a

About 12,990 new cases of invasive cervical cancer will be
diagnosed.
About 4,120 women will die from cervical cancer.

Cervical pre-cancers are diagnosed far more often than invasive cervical
cancer.

Cervical cancer was once one of the most common causes of cancer death
for American women. But over the last 30 years, the cervical cancer
death rate has gone down by more than 50%. The main reason for this
change was the increased use of the Pap test."

Do you get an annual Pap test, Julie?


Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message

> > Nearly 100% of all cervical cancer is caused by the HPV virus. So....
>
> And how common is it in terms of cancer?

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/cases.htm

HPV causes nearly all cervical cancers and many cancers of the anus,
penis, vagina, vulva, and oropharynx.

https://qap.sdsu.edu/screening/cervi...cer/facts.html

Cervical cancer was once a leading cause of cancer death for women in
the United States. Currently, it ranks 3rd in frequency for both
diagnosis and cause of death among the gynecologic cancers and 14th for
all cancers affecting U.S. women.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
> >>
> >> The vaccine can cause paralysis. Not a chance I'm willing to take.
> >
> > citation, and frequency of this adverse affect per total number of those
> > vaccinated, please.
>
> I don't have those statistics. I did put up links. The Drs. we see say that
> they can only offer the vaccine. It is up to us to do research. They can not
> recommend it. Nor can they not recommend it. Only offer it if we want it.
> Here's some more links. I think the main problem is that the vaccine is too
> new to have statistics.
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hpv-vacc...ens-paralysis/
>
Did you read that link? Her own family admits there is no medical
evidence of what caused her paralysis.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > Janet wrote:
> >>
> >> The HPV vaccine is part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme and
> >> is routinely offered to secondary school girls aged 12 and 13.
> >> It's a safe vaccine and...
> >
> > I'll bet you never got one and YOU are still alive. Who are you to
> > talk?
> >
> > Don't pick on Julie for this. If anything, it should be Angela's
> > decision and her's alone. She's old enough to decide.
>
> Yes. I try to be the type of parent who does not control my kid. I let her
> make her own decisions. She didn't want a senior portrait taken and her
> school has no yearbook. I would have liked the pic but she didn't want it so
> I'm fine with that. I was forced into doing things that I didn't want to and
> they served no good reason. I won't do that to her.
>
> Also, based on her bad reactions to meds, no Dr. in their right mind would
> recommend this for her.

You already said, that her doctor had NOT advised her against having
HPV vaccine.


Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "Janet B" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:53:31 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >>Janet wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The HPV vaccine is part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme and
> >>> is routinely offered to secondary school girls aged 12 and 13.
> >>> It's a safe vaccine and...
> >>
> >>I'll bet you never got one and YOU are still alive. Who are you to
> >>talk?
> >>
> >>Don't pick on Julie for this. If anything, it should be Angela's
> >>decision and her's alone. She's old enough to decide.

> > Do you know why the Janet's have not gotten this vaccine? Thought
> > not. You better read up on it. BTW, no one is picking on Julie for
> > this. We are pointing out her 'facts' are not facts.
> > Again. You need to do some reading from some real sources, not scare
> > sources or blogs. You are a skeptic, that's good. But before you
> > form a solid opinion or give advice, you need to be fully informed.
> > Janet US
>
> Actually you are picking on me. And none of you have a child of this age.

Oh god, another Bothell Bubble.

So far, two regular posters in this thread have posted that they DO
have daughters of the relevant age for HPV protection, one younger than
yours, the other vaccinated. Another has posted that his grandson got
HPV vaccinated. There must be dozens of others who have grandchildren
(girls and boys)who have been or will be vaccinated.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Gary wrote:
> >> >Don't pick on Julie for this. If anything, it should be Angela's
> >> >decision and her's alone. She's old enough to decide.
> >>
> >> Except teens all know they are invincible, until something happens.
> >
> > Finally...a valid comment. At this point, Julie could advise but it's
> > still up to her daughter to decide for herself. She's old enough to do
> > the research herself.
> >
> > Very sadly, I've recently learned that I have "extended deceased
> > ferret syndrome." No one ever warned me of this. No known vaccine
> > either, that I've heard of. I'm still waiting for "time to heal."
>
> We did research.

try to keep your lies straight.

You said there is no scientific research into HPV vaccine safety
because it was "too new".

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:09:16 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >, says...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Wrong. If it were that important, then it would be added to the lists
> >> > of
> >> > required shots. It's not.
> >>
> >> It is, in UK
> >>
> >> http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccina...ges/hpv-human-
> >> papillomavirus-vaccine.aspx
> >>
> >> "All girls aged 12 to 13 are offered HPV (human papilloma virus)
> >> vaccination as part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme. The
> >> vaccine protects against cervical cancer. It's usually given to girls in
> >> year eight at schools in England.
> >>
> >> According to Cancer Research UK, cervical cancer is the second
> >> mostcommon cancer in women under the age of 35.
> >> Which girls should have the HPV vaccination?
> >>
> >> The HPV vaccine is part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme and
> >> is routinely offered to secondary school girls aged 12 and 13.
> >> It's a safe vaccine and there are very few girls who aren't suitable for
> >> HPV vaccination. However, special precautions may need to be taken for
> >> girls with certain health conditio
> >
> > ns, or who have ever had a severe
> >> allergic reaction (anaphylaxis).
> >>
> >> Read more about who should have the HPV vaccine."
> >> HPV vaccine safety
> >>
> >> http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccina...cine-cervarix-
> >> gardasil-safety.aspx
> >>
> >>
> >> janet UK
> >
> > A HMO called Kaiser Permanente (which operates in California;
> > Colorado; Georgia; Hawaii; Maryland; Oregon; Virginia; Washington;
> > Washington D.C.) has it on their list too. I texted my DIL to see if
> > my 14 YO grandson had gotten it yet and she says he did.
> >
> > http://kff.org/womens-health-policy/...ss-and-use-in/
> >
> > According to that document
> >
> > The federal Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)
> > recommends that all girls and boys get vaccinated at age 11 or 12, and
> > that girls and women ages 13-26 and boys and men ages 13-21 be given a
> > "catch-up" vaccination. The vaccine is recommended for use in men
> > ages 22-26 if they have not been previously vaccinated, are
> > immunocompromised, or engage in sexual activity with other men. ACIP
> > recommended the vaccine for females in 2006 and added the
> > recommendation for males in 2011. ACIP recommended the new HPV vaccine
> > in February 2015 for females ages 9-26 and boys ages 9-15. Off label
> > use for the new vaccine for males ages 16-21 is allowed, and a
> > recommendation for this age group is expected to follow in the coming
> > years.
> >
> > I don't know if Julie expects a social worker to knock on her door and
> > tell her to vaccinate her child or what. Apparently an easy way to
> > prevent certain forms of cancer isn't of any concern.
>
> Nobody is going to show up here. As I said... Her Dr. said he could not
> recommend it. Neither could he not recommend it.

Exactly! He did NOT say "Your medical history is a contra-indication
for having this vaccine." which he surely would do if she was at risk.

Janet UK

In article >, cshenk1
@cox.net says...
>
> Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > In article >, says...
> > >
> > > Janet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article >, says...
> > > > >
> > > > > Janet B wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible
> > > > > > side effects. My grandsons have had the shots.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare you
> > > > > away from anything that you have to take. Even new drug
> > > > > commercials spend more time telling you about the side effects
> > > > > rather than the benefits.
> > > > >
> > > > > IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens.
> > > >
> > > > Most 12 yr olds have no concept of their own vulnerability to
> > > > the commonest STD in USA; and you can hardly expect them to
> > > > grasp it might kill them in one of several particularly horrible
> > > > ways. Kids might "know" that people die from smoking, drugs,
> > > > alcohol; but they are so sure it won't happen to them they do
> > > > that stuff anyway.
> > > >
> > > > They are almost
> > > > > adults and should be given the option whether to take them or
> > > > > not. Of course, some teens are NOT sexually active so they
> > > > > don't need the vaccine until they do start having sex.
> > > >
> > > > You miss the point. Young teens might not be having
> > > > penetrative intercourse, but they may be open-mouth kissing and
> > > > mutually masturbating, and HPV can be transmitted by both.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term
> > > > > effects. I never had it and neither did you. My daughter never
> > > > > got it either.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe you both have HPV.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.htm
> > > >
> > > > "HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection (STI).
> > > > HPV is so common that nearly all sexually active men and women
> > > > get it at some point in their lives."
> > > >
> > > > Janet.
> > >
> > > Do you have it, Janet?
> >
> > Given the statistics of HPV prevalence I've probably had it,
> > decades before vaccination was available.
> >
> > > Have you been vaccinated?
> >
> > Of course not, stupid.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> I got it in 2007-2008 or so. Military related service thing.

Bit late in the day! Don't you have a daughter in college?

Unless she is an infant genius or your name is Mary, you must have
been sexually active long before 2007.

Janet UK