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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Gary wrote: > barbie gee wrote: >> >> and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone with >> cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV >> exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men). > > I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why > not? > Because; 1) I'm way too old for this particular vaccine, although if I had ever had chicken pox, I'd be getting the shingles vaccine. 2) I've been screened for HPV and have been told I have been exposed, thus, 3) my PAP tests are always given extra screening, as I am considered a higher risk for cervical cancer due to the exposure, although I never had an active HPV infection. In addition, I have a young male relative (in his early 40's) that was diagnosed with and treated for tonsil cancer (meaning removal of tonsils, lymph nodes, radiation therapy and chemotherapy, that permanently damaged some of his salivary glands and tastebuds/tongue), and it was diagnosed as having been related to HPV exposure. It was not an easy surgery, nor an easy course of treatment, and we're glad he's made it through, cancer free for about 4 years now. If I had children, boys or girls, of the appropriate age for HPV vaccinations I would have them given, no doubt. As an aside, I have been doing genealogy research, and was sad to find a relative who died from measles complications, at the age of 10, prior to the days of the measles vaccine. I appreciate that there are potential adverse effects from vaccines, as there are from any medical treatments. Hell, there are potential adverse effects from waking up in the morning! The benefits outweigh the risks, IMO, and the safety numbers are unquestionably higher than the risks or adverse effects. Yeah, it sucks to be that 1 in millions, but in the long run, that's still a very low risk factor. |
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote: > > "sf" > wrote in message > ... >> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 15:24:47 -0400, Dave Smith >> > wrote: >> >>> I am not sure if it is extremely sad or extremely amusing that she >>> rejects every piece of valid advice and information here but is a sponge >>> for nonsense factoids. >> >> It's not amusing to see such an easy cancer (genital warts etc) >> prevention being summarily dismissed like that. > > Please explain how it is easy. You think the very specific timing of three > shots over the course of a 6 month period is easy? This is partly why such a > small percentage of people have completed it. Statistics seem to vary on this > depending on the source but it is somewhere around 30 percent who have had > all three. Don't have all three? Might not have even bothered for the first > one. Can you take your kid to the dentist twice a year? How is a shot every 2 months, 3 times, some kind of major burden, imposition, or difficulty? and, there's a range of age that it can be done, anywhere up to age 26. You can leave it for your daughter to decide for herself, if you really think she will not be sexually active before she can get herself vaccinated, but young people don't have a lot of foresight, that their parents should. |
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote: > > "sf" > wrote in message > ... >> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton >> > wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 12:59:45 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote: >>> > barbie gee wrote: >>> > > >>> > > and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone > > >>> with >>> > > cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV >>> > > exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men). >>> > >>> > I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why >>> > not? >>> >>> I can't speak for Barbie Gee, but I haven't gotten it BECAUSE IT DIDN'T >>> EXIST UNTIL AFTER I BECAME SEXUALLY ACTIVE. No point locking the barn >>> door after the horse is stolen. >>> >>> Sorry for shouting. Some things just seem so painfully self-evident >>> that I fly right off the handle. >>> >> >> You said what the rest of us were thinking. > > That part was obvious. But take it to the next step. How many of us here who > did not get the shot, got HPV? Ha! > You seem to think getting it, or being exposed to it, is a rare thing? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus#United_States> |
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote: > > "jinx the minx" > wrote in message > ... >> Julie Bove > wrote: >>> >>> "sf" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 12:59:45 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote: >>>>>> barbie gee wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and those of you not recommending the vaccine haven't seen someone >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> cervical cancer, or the men who get tonsil or throat cancer from HPV >>>>>>> exposure (and no, they're not all homosexual men). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm willing to bet YOU have also never gotten this vaccination. Why >>>>>> not? >>>>> >>>>> I can't speak for Barbie Gee, but I haven't gotten it BECAUSE IT DIDN'T >>>>> EXIST UNTIL AFTER I BECAME SEXUALLY ACTIVE. No point locking the barn >>>>> door after the horse is stolen. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for shouting. Some things just seem so painfully self-evident >>>>> that I fly right off the handle. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You said what the rest of us were thinking. >>> >>> That part was obvious. But take it to the next step. How many of us here >>> who >>> did not get the shot, got HPV? Ha! >>> >>> >> >> Almost every human who had ever had sex has the HPV virus lurking in their >> body. > > But not cancer. Right? > not yet. |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Helpful person wrote: > On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 9:45:30 AM UTC-4, wrote: > > If the daughter has a positive >> pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular pap >> smear. > > There must be several studies somewhere that claim pap smears are extremely dangerous. > > http://www.richardfisher.com > wtf? wtf kinda nonsense is this? spammer Richard Fisher, trying to drive traffic to your website stupidest thing I've ever heard. |
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Gary wrote: > Janet B wrote: >> >> On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:37:21 -0400, Gary > wrote: >> >>> Janet B wrote: >>>> >>>> All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible side >>>> effects. My grandsons have had the shots. >>> >>> Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare you away >>> from anything that you have to take. Even new drug commercials spend >>> more time telling you about the side effects rather than the benefits. >>> >>> IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens. They are almost >>> adults and should be given the option whether to take them or not. Of >>> course, *some* teens are NOT sexually active so they don't need the >>> vaccine until they do start having sex. >>> >>> It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term effects. I >>> never had it and neither did you. My daughter never got it either. How >>> did we ever survive without this new drug. >>> >>> IMO, it's a mistake for people to run and get the newest nifty >>> vaccines. At least give it a time test first. I never rush right out >>> for the newest Windows update. They always find problems later. >>> >>> I'm with Julie on resisting that vaccine. At least let her daughter >>> decide. >> >> Golly. You just don't know much about this do you? Yes, I read all >> the fact sheets. Yes, I read all about new vaccines, virus, etc. You >> need to go back and get some more info. > > I'll bet you run out for the newest flu shot every year too, don't > you? > Don't be a lemming run off the cliff into the sea. Use your head. > You know it's been out since 2006, making it 10 years now, right? And a flu shot every year hasn't killed me, nor have I gotten the flu, either, in all the years I've been getting one. Not a lemming, just using my head. |
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, tert in seattle wrote: > Janet B wrote: >> On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:37:21 -0400, Gary > wrote: >> >>> Janet B wrote: >>>> >>>> All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible side >>>> effects. My grandsons have had the shots. >>> >>> Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare you away >>> from anything that you have to take. Even new drug commercials spend >>> more time telling you about the side effects rather than the benefits. >>> >>> IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens. They are almost >>> adults and should be given the option whether to take them or not. Of >>> course, *some* teens are NOT sexually active so they don't need the >>> vaccine until they do start having sex. >>> >>> It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term effects. I >>> never had it and neither did you. My daughter never got it either. How >>> did we ever survive without this new drug. >>> >>> IMO, it's a mistake for people to run and get the newest nifty >>> vaccines. At least give it a time test first. I never rush right out >>> for the newest Windows update. They always find problems later. >>> >>> I'm with Julie on resisting that vaccine. At least let her daughter >>> decide. >> >> Golly. You just don't know much about this do you? Yes, I read all >> the fact sheets. Yes, I read all about new vaccines, virus, etc. You >> need to go back and get some more info. >> Janet US > > sometimes evidence doesn't matter > > it's like the joke about the farmer who goes to the zoo and sees a > giraffe > > "no such animal" he says hah. |
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"jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > Julie Bove > wrote: >> >> "Janet" > wrote in message >> .. . >>> In article >, says... >>>> >>>> "sf" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:09:16 +0100, Janet > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article >, >>>>>> says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wrong. If it were that important, then it would be added to the >>>>>>> lists >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> required shots. It's not. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is, in UK >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccina...ges/hpv-human- >>>>>> papillomavirus-vaccine.aspx >>>>>> >>>>>> "All girls aged 12 to 13 are offered HPV (human papilloma virus) >>>>>> vaccination as part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme. The >>>>>> vaccine protects against cervical cancer. It's usually given to girls >>>>>> in >>>>>> year eight at schools in England. >>>>>> >>>>>> According to Cancer Research UK, cervical cancer is the second >>>>>> mostcommon cancer in women under the age of 35. >>>>>> Which girls should have the HPV vaccination? >>>>>> >>>>>> The HPV vaccine is part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme >>>>>> and >>>>>> is routinely offered to secondary school girls aged 12 and 13. >>>>>> It's a safe vaccine and there are very few girls who aren't suitable >>>>>> for >>>>>> HPV vaccination. However, special precautions may need to be taken >>>>>> for >>>>>> girls with certain health conditio >>>>> >>>>> ns, or who have ever had a severe >>>>>> allergic reaction (anaphylaxis). >>>>>> >>>>>> Read more about who should have the HPV vaccine." >>>>>> HPV vaccine safety >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccina...cine-cervarix- >>>>>> gardasil-safety.aspx >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> janet UK >>>>> >>>>> A HMO called Kaiser Permanente (which operates in California; >>>>> Colorado; Georgia; Hawaii; Maryland; Oregon; Virginia; Washington; >>>>> Washington D.C.) has it on their list too. I texted my DIL to see if >>>>> my 14 YO grandson had gotten it yet and she says he did. >>>>> >>>>> http://kff.org/womens-health-policy/...ss-and-use-in/ >>>>> >>>>> According to that document >>>>> >>>>> The federal Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) >>>>> recommends that all girls and boys get vaccinated at age 11 or 12, and >>>>> that girls and women ages 13-26 and boys and men ages 13-21 be given a >>>>> "catch-up" vaccination. The vaccine is recommended for use in men >>>>> ages 22-26 if they have not been previously vaccinated, are >>>>> immunocompromised, or engage in sexual activity with other men. ACIP >>>>> recommended the vaccine for females in 2006 and added the >>>>> recommendation for males in 2011. ACIP recommended the new HPV vaccine >>>>> in February 2015 for females ages 9-26 and boys ages 9-15. Off label >>>>> use for the new vaccine for males ages 16-21 is allowed, and a >>>>> recommendation for this age group is expected to follow in the coming >>>>> years. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know if Julie expects a social worker to knock on her door and >>>>> tell her to vaccinate her child or what. Apparently an easy way to >>>>> prevent certain forms of cancer isn't of any concern. >>>> >>>> Nobody is going to show up here. As I said... Her Dr. said he could >>>> not >>>> recommend it. Neither could he not recommend it. >>> >>> Exactly! He did NOT say "Your medical history is a contra-indication >>> for having this vaccine." which he surely would do if she was at risk. >> >> Actually, in looking this up, I discovered that she actually has had the >> HPV >> virus for many years. So wouldn't that render the shot useless? That's >> what >> I read, anyway. Can't remember what year it was that she got the >> plantar's >> wart on her foot but I am pretty sure that she was younger than when they >> offered the vaccine at our clinic. Plantars warts are caused by HPV. And >> no, >> she wasn't into any foot fetish stuff. She was dancing barefoot and >> that's >> how she got it. >> >> I do remember buying her a cheap pair of women's sandals in red at >> Walmart. >> They were a size 6. Larger than what she wore but the Dr. said it was >> important for her not to touch her foot down to the floor for two weeks >> and >> he wrapped it up in gauze. She hated the sandals so much that she managed >> to >> hop back and forth into the bathroom so she wouldn't touch her foot down. >> >> And in case you were wondering why she had surgery instead of the >> seemingly >> more traditional freezing it off... Well... That's just what this Dr. >> does. >> Surgery. He seems to love it. He's then one who screwed up my foot. And >> he >> offered to do surgery on my husband too. Husband still goes there. We >> will >> not. I have a new podiatrist now. And if Angela should develop a problem, >> she'll go to him. >> >> > > Back the bus up. The vaccine only covers a few select types of the HPV > virus--the ones that cause cervical cancer. The HPV strain that causes > plantar warts is not one of the strains in the vaccine. You cannot get > cervical cancer from having plantar warts. I never said that you could. But somewhere, I read that once you got HPV, the shot wasn't effective. |
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"jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > Julie Bove > wrote: >> >> "Janet B" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:08:00 +0100, Janet > wrote: >>> >>>> In article >, >>>> says... >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:45:22 -0300, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed with >>>>>>>>> cervical >>>>>>>>> cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only 267 >>>>>>>>> injuries >>>>>>>>> and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but I'd >>>>>>>>> bet you >>>>>>>>> take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions I >>>>>>>>> mean, you >>>>>>>>> know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your >>>>>>>>> hand >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>> it's lightning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is that >>>>>>> we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a "cure" >>>>>>> for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> all the ugly possibilities a cure entails. >>>>>>> BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical >>>>>>> cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately. >>>>>>> Janet US >>>>>> >>>>>> That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a >>>>>> pap >>>>>> smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had decided >>>>>> she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well. >>>>>> >>>>>> There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping >>>>>> cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor' >>>>>> whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged and >>>>>> then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum by >>>>>> the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, people >>>>>> still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given all >>>>>> these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to >>>>>> protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully understand >>>>>> the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously >>>>>> comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive >>>>>> pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular pap >>>>>> smear. >>>>> >>>>> from what I have read, the major resistance to getting the vaccine is >>>>> because it is recommended for 12 year old children. Parents simply >>>>> can't handle thinking in terms of sexual consequences within their >>>>> children's lives. >>>> >>>> Which is strange, because many 12 yr olds have reached puberty and >>>> assorted manifestations of their fertility; so you'd think most parents >>>> would have at least begun to talk to them about sex. >>>> >>>> Janet UK >>>> >>> I would hope that parents are planning on having the "talk" with their >>> children by that age. >>> Janet US >> >> No need these days. They learn it in school. And pregnant girls or those >> with children are allowed to attend school. Wasn't like that when I was >> in >> school. >> >> > > No need?! Are you kidding? So much for parental guidance and involvement > in what they're learning. Well seeing as how I did work for the school, I did know what they were learning. Oh and I was in the classroom too! |
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"barbie gee" > wrote in message crg.pbz... > > > On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote: > >> >> "sf" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 15:24:47 -0400, Dave Smith >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I am not sure if it is extremely sad or extremely amusing that she >>>> rejects every piece of valid advice and information here but is a >>>> sponge >>>> for nonsense factoids. >>> >>> It's not amusing to see such an easy cancer (genital warts etc) >>> prevention being summarily dismissed like that. >> >> Please explain how it is easy. You think the very specific timing of >> three shots over the course of a 6 month period is easy? This is partly >> why such a small percentage of people have completed it. Statistics seem >> to vary on this depending on the source but it is somewhere around 30 >> percent who have had all three. Don't have all three? Might not have even >> bothered for the first one. > > Can you take your kid to the dentist twice a year? How is a shot every 2 > months, 3 times, some kind of major burden, imposition, or difficulty? Can I take her to the dentist? Yes. Do most people I know take their kids to the dentist that often? No. And they don't go themselves that often. > > and, there's a range of age that it can be done, anywhere up to age 26. > You can leave it for your daughter to decide for herself, if you really > think she will not be sexually active before she can get herself > vaccinated, but young people don't have a lot of foresight, that their > parents should. |
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"barbie gee" > wrote in message crg.pbz... > > > On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Gary wrote: > >> Janet B wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:37:21 -0400, Gary > wrote: >>> >>>> Janet B wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible side >>>>> effects. My grandsons have had the shots. >>>> >>>> Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare you away >>>> from anything that you have to take. Even new drug commercials spend >>>> more time telling you about the side effects rather than the benefits. >>>> >>>> IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens. They are almost >>>> adults and should be given the option whether to take them or not. Of >>>> course, *some* teens are NOT sexually active so they don't need the >>>> vaccine until they do start having sex. >>>> >>>> It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term effects. I >>>> never had it and neither did you. My daughter never got it either. How >>>> did we ever survive without this new drug. >>>> >>>> IMO, it's a mistake for people to run and get the newest nifty >>>> vaccines. At least give it a time test first. I never rush right out >>>> for the newest Windows update. They always find problems later. >>>> >>>> I'm with Julie on resisting that vaccine. At least let her daughter >>>> decide. >>> >>> Golly. You just don't know much about this do you? Yes, I read all >>> the fact sheets. Yes, I read all about new vaccines, virus, etc. You >>> need to go back and get some more info. >> >> I'll bet you run out for the newest flu shot every year too, don't >> you? >> Don't be a lemming run off the cliff into the sea. Use your head. >> > > You know it's been out since 2006, making it 10 years now, right? > > And a flu shot every year hasn't killed me, nor have I gotten the flu, > either, in all the years I've been getting one. Not a lemming, just using > my head. I won't get a flu shot either. I did have it once since we moved back here. So like once in 18 years. |
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote: > > "jinx the minx" > wrote in message > ... >> Gary > wrote: >>> Janet B wrote: >>>> >>>> All medications come with fact sheets that lay out possible side >>>> effects. My grandsons have had the shots. >>> >>> Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare you away >>> from anything that you have to take. Even new drug commercials spend >>> more time telling you about the side effects rather than the benefits. >>> >>> IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens. They are almost >>> adults and should be given the option whether to take them or not. Of >>> course, *some* teens are NOT sexually active so they don't need the >>> vaccine until they do start having sex. >>> >>> It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term effects. I >>> never had it and neither did you. My daughter never got it either. How >>> did we ever survive without this new drug. >>> >>> IMO, it's a mistake for people to run and get the newest nifty >>> vaccines. At least give it a time test first. I never rush right out >>> for the newest Windows update. They always find problems later. >>> >>> I'm with Julie on resisting that vaccine. At least let her daughter >>> decide. >>> >> >> The problem is this. How many teens do you know that make healthy >> decisions about sexuality? The vaccine is given as a course of 3 doses, >> given over a 6 month timeframe. No teenager is going to make a >> conscientious decision to become sexually active, THEN go get the shot then >> wait half a year to act. Not gonna happen. And once you start having sex, >> it's almost pointless to then get the vaccine as you've already been >> exposed (and will keep getting exposed) to HPV. Whether exposure is to one >> of the strains that causes cancer or not is like playing Russian roulette. >> That is why the recommended age to get the vaccine is right around the age >> of 11-12. Is this really a decision an 11-12 year old could or should be >> making? You may think this vaccine isn't necessary, but if you knew even >> one woman with cervical cancer from HPV (and they now say all cervical >> cancer is caused by HPV) you may think otherwise. Of course you survived >> without it. You don't have a cervix. > > You're missing the point. The vaccine is so new that we don't know the safety > of it. And there are known issues. I don't think he said it wasn't necessary. > Just that its safety isn't proven. > > How old are you? How many people do you know who had cervical cancer? I'm > almost 57. I know one person. I know far more people who have had other kinds > of cancers than that. > Julie, you just keep on believing in your own anecdotal "evidence" and ignore scientific facts. Let us know that works out for you in a couple more decades... |
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Julie Bove > wrote:
> > "jinx the minx" > wrote in message > ... >> Julie Bove > wrote: >>> >>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> Julie Bove > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:45:22 -0300, wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed with >>>>>>>>>> cervical >>>>>>>>>> cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only 267 >>>>>>>>>> injuries >>>>>>>>>> and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but I'd >>>>>>>>>> bet >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions I >>>>>>>>>> mean, >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your >>>>>>>>>> hand >>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> it's lightning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is that >>>>>>>> we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a "cure" >>>>>>>> for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> all the ugly possibilities a cure entails. >>>>>>>> BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical >>>>>>>> cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately. >>>>>>>> Janet US >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a >>>>>>> pap >>>>>>> smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had decided >>>>>>> she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping >>>>>>> cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor' >>>>>>> whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged and >>>>>>> then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum by >>>>>>> the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, people >>>>>>> still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given all >>>>>>> these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to >>>>>>> protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully understand >>>>>>> the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously >>>>>>> comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive >>>>>>> pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular pap >>>>>>> smear. >>>>>> >>>>>> from what I have read, the major resistance to getting the vaccine is >>>>>> because it is recommended for 12 year old children. Parents simply >>>>>> can't handle thinking in terms of sexual consequences within their >>>>>> children's lives. You may have seen Julie's response upstream. She >>>>>> said I was sick to think of children that way. >>>>>> Janet US >>>>> >>>>> Then you have read wrong. I put up several links. There are many more. >>>>> When >>>>> the majority of people opt not to take it, you know there has to be a >>>>> reason. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, misinformation (or no information) is the reason, not "known side >>>> effects". And like Janet US stated, parents don't like to think about >>>> their pubescent children becoming sexually active. They just don't >>>> view >>>> the shot as relevant or necessary at the recommended young age. Doctors >>>> don't like to push the topic because of the private, intimate nature of >>>> teen sexuality and fear of parental objection. It is a personal >>>> option, >>>> not something needed for the greater good of keeping mass society safe >>>> such >>>> as polio or the MMR. >>>> >>>> Further, none of the links you posted were current, nor were they from >>>> reputable medical information storehouses. >>> >>> It wouldn't matter what links I'd put up. >>> >>> And maybe where you are at, parents don't like to think about their kids >>> being sexually active. And that's a far different thing than thinking of >>> your kids in a sexual way or whatever the one Janet said. >>> >>> The sex issue has nothing whatever to do with why the people I know here >>> won't give their kids the vaccine. And it has everything to do with the >>> newness of it and side effects. The story of the girl who suffered the >>> paralysis has been all over facebook. She is a friend of a girl that we >>> know >>> through the dance studio. >>> >>> Nobody is going to change my mind on this issue. You do what you feel is >>> right and we'll do the same. >>> >>> >> >> "All over Facebook". Now that's reputable. > > Well, it is when we personally know these people. > > Because some mom thinks her daughter is paralyzed from the shot doesn't make it true. And which is it? Someone you "personally know", or a "friend of a girl you know"? -- jinx the minx |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:44:34 -0500, jinx the minx >
wrote: > Julie Bove > wrote: > > > > "Janet B" > wrote in message > > ... > >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:08:00 +0100, Janet > wrote: > >> > >>> In article >, > >>> says... > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:45:22 -0300, wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B > > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> snip > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed with > >>>>>>>> cervical > >>>>>>>> cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only 267 > >>>>>>>> injuries > >>>>>>>> and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but I'd > >>>>>>>> bet you > >>>>>>>> take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions I > >>>>>>>> mean, you > >>>>>>>> know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your hand > >>>>>>>> when > >>>>>>>> it's lightning. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is that > >>>>>> we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a "cure" > >>>>>> for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there are > >>>>>> those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention than > >>>>>> all the ugly possibilities a cure entails. > >>>>>> BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical > >>>>>> cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately. > >>>>>> Janet US > >>>>> > >>>>> That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a pap > >>>>> smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had decided > >>>>> she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well. > >>>>> > >>>>> There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping > >>>>> cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor' > >>>>> whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged and > >>>>> then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum by > >>>>> the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, people > >>>>> still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given all > >>>>> these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children. > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to > >>>>> protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully understand > >>>>> the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously > >>>>> comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive > >>>>> pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular pap > >>>>> smear. > >>>> > >>>> from what I have read, the major resistance to getting the vaccine is > >>>> because it is recommended for 12 year old children. Parents simply > >>>> can't handle thinking in terms of sexual consequences within their > >>>> children's lives. > >>> > >>> Which is strange, because many 12 yr olds have reached puberty and > >>> assorted manifestations of their fertility; so you'd think most parents > >>> would have at least begun to talk to them about sex. > >>> > >>> Janet UK > >>> > >> I would hope that parents are planning on having the "talk" with their > >> children by that age. > >> Janet US > > > > No need these days. They learn it in school. And pregnant girls or those > > with children are allowed to attend school. Wasn't like that when I was in > > school. > > > > > > No need?! Are you kidding? So much for parental guidance and involvement > in what they're learning. It's a clear example of why schools have been forced to take on parental responsibility for the birds & bees talk with students. -- sf |
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Julie Bove > wrote:
> > "jinx the minx" > wrote in message > ... >> Julie Bove > wrote: >>> >>> "Janet B" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:08:00 +0100, Janet > wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article >, >>>>> says... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:45:22 -0300, wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed with >>>>>>>>>> cervical >>>>>>>>>> cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only 267 >>>>>>>>>> injuries >>>>>>>>>> and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but I'd >>>>>>>>>> bet you >>>>>>>>>> take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions I >>>>>>>>>> mean, you >>>>>>>>>> know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your >>>>>>>>>> hand >>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> it's lightning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is that >>>>>>>> we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a "cure" >>>>>>>> for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> all the ugly possibilities a cure entails. >>>>>>>> BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical >>>>>>>> cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately. >>>>>>>> Janet US >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a >>>>>>> pap >>>>>>> smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had decided >>>>>>> she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping >>>>>>> cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor' >>>>>>> whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged and >>>>>>> then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum by >>>>>>> the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, people >>>>>>> still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given all >>>>>>> these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to >>>>>>> protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully understand >>>>>>> the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously >>>>>>> comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive >>>>>>> pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular pap >>>>>>> smear. >>>>>> >>>>>> from what I have read, the major resistance to getting the vaccine is >>>>>> because it is recommended for 12 year old children. Parents simply >>>>>> can't handle thinking in terms of sexual consequences within their >>>>>> children's lives. >>>>> >>>>> Which is strange, because many 12 yr olds have reached puberty and >>>>> assorted manifestations of their fertility; so you'd think most parents >>>>> would have at least begun to talk to them about sex. >>>>> >>>>> Janet UK >>>>> >>>> I would hope that parents are planning on having the "talk" with their >>>> children by that age. >>>> Janet US >>> >>> No need these days. They learn it in school. And pregnant girls or those >>> with children are allowed to attend school. Wasn't like that when I was >>> in >>> school. >>> >>> >> >> No need?! Are you kidding? So much for parental guidance and involvement >> in what they're learning. > > Well seeing as how I did work for the school, I did know what they were > learning. Oh and I was in the classroom too! > > Knowing what they're learning in school and having a personal conversation with your child about what they are learning are two entirely different things. So you stood in the corner and listened. BFD. -- jinx the minx |
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote: > > "graham" > wrote in message > ... >> On 01/06/2016 4:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote: >>> >>> "Janet B" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 09:19:08 -0600, graham > wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 31/05/2016 4:45 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> On 30/05/2016 4:09 PM, Roy wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 30/05/2016 1:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "l not -l" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 29-May-2016, "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When Mom was alive she kept seeing ads for probiotics. She was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What's that?" Beats me, but be assured they're trying to sell >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yogurt.  >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Probiotics have more good bacteria than just plain >>>>>>>>>>>>> yogurt. I learned they can REALLY help with severe >>>>>>>>>>>>> gut issues that for some unfathomable reason I was >>>>>>>>>>>>> plagued with 2 years ago two or three times. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> take a probiotic capsule daily and that misery seems >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be a thing of the past. Don't know what brought it >>>>>>>>>>>>> on either. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We now know that one reason for the appendix is that it's a >>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>> source >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of probiotics. People who have had theirs removed, need to >>>>>>>>>>>> supplement. >>>>>>>>>>> How do we know this, an article in Prevention, or similar, >>>>>>>>>>> magazine or >>>>>>>>>>> peer-reviewed, published research? It seems odd that if this is >>>>>>>>>>> true >>>>>>>>>>> medical knowledge, that no doctor has suggested probiotics to >>>>>>>>>>> me in >>>>>>>>>>> the 66 >>>>>>>>>>> years I have been without an appendix (removed as a young child). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My naturopath first told me this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Naturopaths are quacks. If you believe him, you'll believe anything! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +++ on the quacks...one of my daughters believes what they say about >>>>>>>> vaccinations and refuses to get her son immunized against any of the >>>>>>>> nasty diseases. She will not listen to reason...must have inherited >>>>>>>> that from her mother. Too bad, because immunization has been proven >>>>>>>> to be effective for eons. >>>>>>>> ==== >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> How awful for you! >>>>>>> I'm fortunate in that regard as both sets of my grandchildren have had >>>>>>> the appropriate jabs - including my grandson having the HPV jab. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hadn't heard of that. I had to look it up! >>>>>> >>>>> They gave it to girls at first then they realised that boys can become >>>>> carriers too. >>>>> Graham >>>> >>>> the overall problem is that if it isn't received at an early enough >>>> age, it is too late. Because either the girl will become sexually >>>> active and exposed or if 'pure', chances are her husband will have >>>> been exposed. I would really be angry at my mother if she left me >>>> open to cancer when there was a good way to avoid it. >>>> Janet US >>> >>> The vaccine can cause paralysis. Not a chance I'm willing to take. >> >> What a load of ********! FFS stop listening to your stupid naturopath! > > Well, I am not going to give her name here but I do know of a girl who is now > paralyzed because of this. I call Bullshit on this. |
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sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:44:34 -0500, jinx the minx > > wrote: > >> Julie Bove > wrote: >>> >>> "Janet B" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:08:00 +0100, Janet > wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article >, >>>>> says... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:45:22 -0300, wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed with >>>>>>>>>> cervical >>>>>>>>>> cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only 267 >>>>>>>>>> injuries >>>>>>>>>> and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but I'd >>>>>>>>>> bet you >>>>>>>>>> take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions I >>>>>>>>>> mean, you >>>>>>>>>> know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your hand >>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> it's lightning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is that >>>>>>>> we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a "cure" >>>>>>>> for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there are >>>>>>>> those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention than >>>>>>>> all the ugly possibilities a cure entails. >>>>>>>> BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical >>>>>>>> cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately. >>>>>>>> Janet US >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a pap >>>>>>> smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had decided >>>>>>> she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping >>>>>>> cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor' >>>>>>> whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged and >>>>>>> then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum by >>>>>>> the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, people >>>>>>> still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given all >>>>>>> these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to >>>>>>> protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully understand >>>>>>> the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously >>>>>>> comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive >>>>>>> pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular pap >>>>>>> smear. >>>>>> >>>>>> from what I have read, the major resistance to getting the vaccine is >>>>>> because it is recommended for 12 year old children. Parents simply >>>>>> can't handle thinking in terms of sexual consequences within their >>>>>> children's lives. >>>>> >>>>> Which is strange, because many 12 yr olds have reached puberty and >>>>> assorted manifestations of their fertility; so you'd think most parents >>>>> would have at least begun to talk to them about sex. >>>>> >>>>> Janet UK >>>>> >>>> I would hope that parents are planning on having the "talk" with their >>>> children by that age. >>>> Janet US >>> >>> No need these days. They learn it in school. And pregnant girls or those >>> with children are allowed to attend school. Wasn't like that when I was in >>> school. >>> >>> >> >> No need?! Are you kidding? So much for parental guidance and involvement >> in what they're learning. > > It's a clear example of why schools have been forced to take on > parental responsibility for the birds & bees talk with students. > Shameful and appalling. Really. -- jinx the minx |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:16:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 6/2/2016 2:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> > >> >> Then you have read wrong. I put up several links. There are many more. >> When the majority of people opt not to take it, you know there has to be >> a reason. > >Yes, stupidity is one reason. Lack of common sense is another. Yes, they don't just put vaccines on the market, they are not allowed to, there are many tests before they are available. I have participated in two such studies. One was for an Avian Flu vaccine and the other which was to go for five years, for Shingles. However as it turned out the Shingles one was so good they stopped it after three and half and sent it to market. It should be available soon. It is not the one that lessened the effects of shingles, but rather one that will prevent it happening in the first place. |
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"jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > Julie Bove > wrote: >> >> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >> ... >>> Julie Bove > wrote: >>>> >>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> Julie Bove > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:45:22 -0300, wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> cervical >>>>>>>>>>> cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only >>>>>>>>>>> 267 >>>>>>>>>>> injuries >>>>>>>>>>> and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but >>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>> bet >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> mean, >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your >>>>>>>>>>> hand >>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>> it's lightning. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a >>>>>>>>> "cure" >>>>>>>>> for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> all the ugly possibilities a cure entails. >>>>>>>>> BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical >>>>>>>>> cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately. >>>>>>>>> Janet US >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a >>>>>>>> pap >>>>>>>> smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had >>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>> she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping >>>>>>>> cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor' >>>>>>>> whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to >>>>>>>> protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully >>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>> the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously >>>>>>>> comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive >>>>>>>> pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular >>>>>>>> pap >>>>>>>> smear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> from what I have read, the major resistance to getting the vaccine >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> because it is recommended for 12 year old children. Parents simply >>>>>>> can't handle thinking in terms of sexual consequences within their >>>>>>> children's lives. You may have seen Julie's response upstream. She >>>>>>> said I was sick to think of children that way. >>>>>>> Janet US >>>>>> >>>>>> Then you have read wrong. I put up several links. There are many >>>>>> more. >>>>>> When >>>>>> the majority of people opt not to take it, you know there has to be a >>>>>> reason. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, misinformation (or no information) is the reason, not "known side >>>>> effects". And like Janet US stated, parents don't like to think >>>>> about >>>>> their pubescent children becoming sexually active. They just don't >>>>> view >>>>> the shot as relevant or necessary at the recommended young age. >>>>> Doctors >>>>> don't like to push the topic because of the private, intimate nature >>>>> of >>>>> teen sexuality and fear of parental objection. It is a personal >>>>> option, >>>>> not something needed for the greater good of keeping mass society safe >>>>> such >>>>> as polio or the MMR. >>>>> >>>>> Further, none of the links you posted were current, nor were they from >>>>> reputable medical information storehouses. >>>> >>>> It wouldn't matter what links I'd put up. >>>> >>>> And maybe where you are at, parents don't like to think about their >>>> kids >>>> being sexually active. And that's a far different thing than thinking >>>> of >>>> your kids in a sexual way or whatever the one Janet said. >>>> >>>> The sex issue has nothing whatever to do with why the people I know >>>> here >>>> won't give their kids the vaccine. And it has everything to do with the >>>> newness of it and side effects. The story of the girl who suffered the >>>> paralysis has been all over facebook. She is a friend of a girl that we >>>> know >>>> through the dance studio. >>>> >>>> Nobody is going to change my mind on this issue. You do what you feel >>>> is >>>> right and we'll do the same. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> "All over Facebook". Now that's reputable. >> >> Well, it is when we personally know these people. >> >> > > Because some mom thinks her daughter is paralyzed from the shot doesn't > make it true. And which is it? Someone you "personally know", or a > "friend > of a girl you know"? As I said... It is a friend of a girl from the dance studio. There is more to it. I am not going to give you her name. But I also said those girls are a year younger than my daughter. There was enough damning evidence out there before this to convince us not to get the shot. |
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"jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > Julie Bove > wrote: >> >> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >> ... >>> Julie Bove > wrote: >>>> >>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:08:00 +0100, Janet > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article >, >>>>>> says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:45:22 -0300, wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> cervical >>>>>>>>>>> cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only >>>>>>>>>>> 267 >>>>>>>>>>> injuries >>>>>>>>>>> and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but >>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>> bet you >>>>>>>>>>> take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> mean, you >>>>>>>>>>> know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your >>>>>>>>>>> hand >>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>> it's lightning. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a >>>>>>>>> "cure" >>>>>>>>> for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> all the ugly possibilities a cure entails. >>>>>>>>> BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical >>>>>>>>> cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately. >>>>>>>>> Janet US >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a >>>>>>>> pap >>>>>>>> smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had >>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>> she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping >>>>>>>> cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor' >>>>>>>> whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to >>>>>>>> protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully >>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>> the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously >>>>>>>> comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive >>>>>>>> pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular >>>>>>>> pap >>>>>>>> smear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> from what I have read, the major resistance to getting the vaccine >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> because it is recommended for 12 year old children. Parents simply >>>>>>> can't handle thinking in terms of sexual consequences within their >>>>>>> children's lives. >>>>>> >>>>>> Which is strange, because many 12 yr olds have reached puberty and >>>>>> assorted manifestations of their fertility; so you'd think most >>>>>> parents >>>>>> would have at least begun to talk to them about sex. >>>>>> >>>>>> Janet UK >>>>>> >>>>> I would hope that parents are planning on having the "talk" with their >>>>> children by that age. >>>>> Janet US >>>> >>>> No need these days. They learn it in school. And pregnant girls or >>>> those >>>> with children are allowed to attend school. Wasn't like that when I was >>>> in >>>> school. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> No need?! Are you kidding? So much for parental guidance and >>> involvement >>> in what they're learning. >> >> Well seeing as how I did work for the school, I did know what they were >> learning. Oh and I was in the classroom too! >> >> > > Knowing what they're learning in school and having a personal conversation > with your child about what they are learning are two entirely different > things. So you stood in the corner and listened. BFD. I am disabled so most likely wasn't standing anywhere. I am also not going to relive my daughter's elementary school years. Or tell once again what I did at the school, only to have someone laugh about it and say that I am lying. This is all very stupid. I am also not out to convince anyone of anything. We did what we felt was right. You can do what you feel is right. |
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> wrote in message ... > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:16:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >>On 6/2/2016 2:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Then you have read wrong. I put up several links. There are many more. >>> When the majority of people opt not to take it, you know there has to be >>> a reason. >> >>Yes, stupidity is one reason. Lack of common sense is another. > > Yes, they don't just put vaccines on the market, they are not allowed > to, there are many tests before they are available. > > I have participated in two such studies. One was for an Avian Flu > vaccine and the other which was to go for five years, for Shingles. > However as it turned out the Shingles one was so good they stopped it > after three and half and sent it to market. It should be available > soon. It is not the one that lessened the effects of shingles, but > rather one that will prevent it happening in the first place. I got the shingles one this year and the flu one I get every year. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > > > > wrote in message > ... >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:16:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >> >>>On 6/2/2016 2:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Then you have read wrong. I put up several links. There are many more. >>>> When the majority of people opt not to take it, you know there has to >>>> be >>>> a reason. >>> >>>Yes, stupidity is one reason. Lack of common sense is another. >> >> Yes, they don't just put vaccines on the market, they are not allowed >> to, there are many tests before they are available. >> >> I have participated in two such studies. One was for an Avian Flu >> vaccine and the other which was to go for five years, for Shingles. >> However as it turned out the Shingles one was so good they stopped it >> after three and half and sent it to market. It should be available >> soon. It is not the one that lessened the effects of shingles, but >> rather one that will prevent it happening in the first place. > > I got the shingles one this year and the flu one I get every year. Incidentally, I had a nasty bout of flu early this year, but of course the jags don't cover every type. > > > > > -- > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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"sf" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:44:34 -0500, jinx the minx > > wrote: > >> Julie Bove > wrote: >> > >> > "Janet B" > wrote in message >> > ... >> >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:08:00 +0100, Janet > wrote: >> >> >> >>> In article >, >> >>> says... >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:45:22 -0300, wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B > >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> snip >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed >> >>>>>>>> with >> >>>>>>>> cervical >> >>>>>>>> cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only >> >>>>>>>> 267 >> >>>>>>>> injuries >> >>>>>>>> and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but >> >>>>>>>> I'd >> >>>>>>>> bet you >> >>>>>>>> take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions >> >>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>> mean, you >> >>>>>>>> know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your >> >>>>>>>> hand >> >>>>>>>> when >> >>>>>>>> it's lightning. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is >> >>>>>> that >> >>>>>> we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a >> >>>>>> "cure" >> >>>>>> for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there >> >>>>>> are >> >>>>>> those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention >> >>>>>> than >> >>>>>> all the ugly possibilities a cure entails. >> >>>>>> BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical >> >>>>>> cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately. >> >>>>>> Janet US >> >>>>> >> >>>>> That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a >> >>>>> pap >> >>>>> smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had >> >>>>> decided >> >>>>> she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping >> >>>>> cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor' >> >>>>> whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum >> >>>>> by >> >>>>> the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, >> >>>>> people >> >>>>> still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given >> >>>>> all >> >>>>> these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to >> >>>>> protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully >> >>>>> understand >> >>>>> the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously >> >>>>> comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive >> >>>>> pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular >> >>>>> pap >> >>>>> smear. >> >>>> >> >>>> from what I have read, the major resistance to getting the vaccine >> >>>> is >> >>>> because it is recommended for 12 year old children. Parents simply >> >>>> can't handle thinking in terms of sexual consequences within their >> >>>> children's lives. >> >>> >> >>> Which is strange, because many 12 yr olds have reached puberty and >> >>> assorted manifestations of their fertility; so you'd think most >> >>> parents >> >>> would have at least begun to talk to them about sex. >> >>> >> >>> Janet UK >> >>> >> >> I would hope that parents are planning on having the "talk" with their >> >> children by that age. >> >> Janet US >> > >> > No need these days. They learn it in school. And pregnant girls or >> > those >> > with children are allowed to attend school. Wasn't like that when I was >> > in >> > school. >> > >> > >> >> No need?! Are you kidding? So much for parental guidance and >> involvement >> in what they're learning. > > It's a clear example of why schools have been forced to take on > parental responsibility for the birds & bees talk with students. No. They do it early on for many reasons. And again, I can only speak for our school district. They have more than one talk about homosexuality and gender identity. These are given at various ages. Why? What they understand at age 6 could be far different than what they understand at age 11. They have several talks over the years about inappropriate touching and what to do about it. They have a talk about puberty and the changes that occur to each gender. When I was in school, only the girls got the menstruation talk. Not the case now. Each gender was segregated for a talk and then they were brought together for a talk. The subject of sex was brought up many times and my daughter probably studied it more than some, based on some of the class choices she made. Each and every time these subjects came up, paperwork was sent home, explaining what would be taught so the parents would know. The parents could opt the student out if they wanted to. Talks, classes, whatever like these are needed in the schools. We have children who have been abused. We have some who are transgendered, ***, bisexual, pregnant or who have their own children. |
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"jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > sf > wrote: >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:44:34 -0500, jinx the minx > >> wrote: >> >>> Julie Bove > wrote: >>>> >>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:08:00 +0100, Janet > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article >, >>>>>> says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:45:22 -0300, wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:30:07 -0600, Janet B > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 01:13:05 -0500, jinx the minx >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To put the risk into perspective, 12,000 women are diagnosed >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> cervical >>>>>>>>>>> cancer in the US alone each year. There are, on average, only >>>>>>>>>>> 267 >>>>>>>>>>> injuries >>>>>>>>>>> and fatalities from lightning strikes in the US each year, but >>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>> bet you >>>>>>>>>>> take precautions when a storm is occurring. And by precautions >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> mean, you >>>>>>>>>>> know better then to stand under a tree with a metal rod in your >>>>>>>>>>> hand >>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>> it's lightning. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What I find interesting about the resistance to the vaccine is >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> we've heard since our childhood about the necessity to find a >>>>>>>>> "cure" >>>>>>>>> for cancer yet here we have a "prevention" for a cancer and there >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> those who do not want to take it. I'd rather go for a prevention >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> all the ugly possibilities a cure entails. >>>>>>>>> BTW, cervical cancer takes about 10-20 years to develop. Cervical >>>>>>>>> cancer from HPV infection does not show symptoms immediately. >>>>>>>>> Janet US >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's correct - I remember a friend of my elder daughter having a >>>>>>>> pap >>>>>>>> smear that revealed cancerous cells were present. If she had >>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>> she wouldn't bother with a pap smear it would not have ended well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There was also the stupid autism scare over the measles/whooping >>>>>>>> cough/mumps vaccination. Much further down the road the 'doctor' >>>>>>>> whose study showed a definite link was taken to court and charged >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> then admitted there was no study, he had been paid a handsome sum >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> the drug companies. Even though he was totally discredited, >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> still quote him today. Hope he rots in hell because he has given >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> these quacky parents an excuse for not protecting their children. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't understand people like Julie, she has the opportunity to >>>>>>>> protect her daughter (who is currently too young to fully >>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>> the ramafications of not having the Gardasil) but she erroneously >>>>>>>> comes up with disproved objections. If the daughter has a positive >>>>>>>> pap smear, hope she feels good then. That's if she has a regular >>>>>>>> pap >>>>>>>> smear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> from what I have read, the major resistance to getting the vaccine >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> because it is recommended for 12 year old children. Parents simply >>>>>>> can't handle thinking in terms of sexual consequences within their >>>>>>> children's lives. >>>>>> >>>>>> Which is strange, because many 12 yr olds have reached puberty and >>>>>> assorted manifestations of their fertility; so you'd think most >>>>>> parents >>>>>> would have at least begun to talk to them about sex. >>>>>> >>>>>> Janet UK >>>>>> >>>>> I would hope that parents are planning on having the "talk" with their >>>>> children by that age. >>>>> Janet US >>>> >>>> No need these days. They learn it in school. And pregnant girls or >>>> those >>>> with children are allowed to attend school. Wasn't like that when I was >>>> in >>>> school. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> No need?! Are you kidding? So much for parental guidance and >>> involvement >>> in what they're learning. >> >> It's a clear example of why schools have been forced to take on >> parental responsibility for the birds & bees talk with students. >> > > Shameful and appalling. Really. Shameful? Now there's a Christian word for ya. I don't know what they do in your schools there. But here, it goes beyond the three R's. They are preparing the kids for this world. |
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 11:48:58 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote: > > >"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... >> >> >> > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:16:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >>> >>>>On 6/2/2016 2:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then you have read wrong. I put up several links. There are many more. >>>>> When the majority of people opt not to take it, you know there has to >>>>> be >>>>> a reason. >>>> >>>>Yes, stupidity is one reason. Lack of common sense is another. >>> >>> Yes, they don't just put vaccines on the market, they are not allowed >>> to, there are many tests before they are available. >>> >>> I have participated in two such studies. One was for an Avian Flu >>> vaccine and the other which was to go for five years, for Shingles. >>> However as it turned out the Shingles one was so good they stopped it >>> after three and half and sent it to market. It should be available >>> soon. It is not the one that lessened the effects of shingles, but >>> rather one that will prevent it happening in the first place. >> >> I got the shingles one this year and the flu one I get every year. > >Incidentally, I had a nasty bout of flu early this year, but of course the >jags don't cover every type. Correct, they have to take an educated guess at which ones will take a turn every year. Avian Flu did catch them by surprise with some nasty results, but they also have vaccines for that now! > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On 2016-06-03 2:26 AM, barbie gee wrote:
> >> Well, I am not going to give her name here but I do know of a girl who >> is now paralyzed because of this. > > I call Bullshit on this. Considering the source, that is a fair call. |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:47:43 -0500, jinx the minx >
wrote: >Julie Bove > wrote: >> >> "Janet" > wrote in message >> .. . >>> In article >, says... >>>> >>>> "sf" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:09:16 +0100, Janet > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article >, >>>>>> says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wrong. If it were that important, then it would be added to the >>>>>>> lists >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> required shots. It's not. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is, in UK >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccina...ges/hpv-human- >>>>>> papillomavirus-vaccine.aspx >>>>>> >>>>>> "All girls aged 12 to 13 are offered HPV (human papilloma virus) >>>>>> vaccination as part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme. The >>>>>> vaccine protects against cervical cancer. It's usually given to girls >>>>>> in >>>>>> year eight at schools in England. >>>>>> >>>>>> According to Cancer Research UK, cervical cancer is the second >>>>>> mostcommon cancer in women under the age of 35. >>>>>> Which girls should have the HPV vaccination? >>>>>> >>>>>> The HPV vaccine is part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme and >>>>>> is routinely offered to secondary school girls aged 12 and 13. >>>>>> It's a safe vaccine and there are very few girls who aren't suitable >>>>>> for >>>>>> HPV vaccination. However, special precautions may need to be taken for >>>>>> girls with certain health conditio >>>>> >>>>> ns, or who have ever had a severe >>>>>> allergic reaction (anaphylaxis). >>>>>> >>>>>> Read more about who should have the HPV vaccine." >>>>>> HPV vaccine safety >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccina...cine-cervarix- >>>>>> gardasil-safety.aspx >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> janet UK >>>>> >>>>> A HMO called Kaiser Permanente (which operates in California; >>>>> Colorado; Georgia; Hawaii; Maryland; Oregon; Virginia; Washington; >>>>> Washington D.C.) has it on their list too. I texted my DIL to see if >>>>> my 14 YO grandson had gotten it yet and she says he did. >>>>> >>>>> http://kff.org/womens-health-policy/...ss-and-use-in/ >>>>> >>>>> According to that document >>>>> >>>>> The federal Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) >>>>> recommends that all girls and boys get vaccinated at age 11 or 12, and >>>>> that girls and women ages 13-26 and boys and men ages 13-21 be given a >>>>> "catch-up" vaccination. The vaccine is recommended for use in men >>>>> ages 22-26 if they have not been previously vaccinated, are >>>>> immunocompromised, or engage in sexual activity with other men. ACIP >>>>> recommended the vaccine for females in 2006 and added the >>>>> recommendation for males in 2011. ACIP recommended the new HPV vaccine >>>>> in February 2015 for females ages 9-26 and boys ages 9-15. Off label >>>>> use for the new vaccine for males ages 16-21 is allowed, and a >>>>> recommendation for this age group is expected to follow in the coming >>>>> years. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know if Julie expects a social worker to knock on her door and >>>>> tell her to vaccinate her child or what. Apparently an easy way to >>>>> prevent certain forms of cancer isn't of any concern. >>>> >>>> Nobody is going to show up here. As I said... Her Dr. said he could not >>>> recommend it. Neither could he not recommend it. >>> >>> Exactly! He did NOT say "Your medical history is a contra-indication >>> for having this vaccine." which he surely would do if she was at risk. >> >> Actually, in looking this up, I discovered that she actually has had the HPV >> virus for many years. So wouldn't that render the shot useless? That's what >> I read, anyway. Can't remember what year it was that she got the plantar's >> wart on her foot but I am pretty sure that she was younger than when they >> offered the vaccine at our clinic. Plantars warts are caused by HPV. And no, >> she wasn't into any foot fetish stuff. She was dancing barefoot and that's >> how she got it. >> >> I do remember buying her a cheap pair of women's sandals in red at Walmart. >> They were a size 6. Larger than what she wore but the Dr. said it was >> important for her not to touch her foot down to the floor for two weeks and >> he wrapped it up in gauze. She hated the sandals so much that she managed to >> hop back and forth into the bathroom so she wouldn't touch her foot down. >> >> And in case you were wondering why she had surgery instead of the seemingly >> more traditional freezing it off... Well... That's just what this Dr. does. >> Surgery. He seems to love it. He's then one who screwed up my foot. And he >> offered to do surgery on my husband too. Husband still goes there. We will >> not. I have a new podiatrist now. And if Angela should develop a problem, >> she'll go to him. >> >> > >Back the bus up. The vaccine only covers a few select types of the HPV >virus--the ones that cause cervical cancer. The HPV strain that causes >plantar warts is not one of the strains in the vaccine. You cannot get >cervical cancer from having plantar warts. I agree. Many years ago I went through a year of having plantar warts on one heel, a half dozen one after another. I didn't get cervical cancer. |
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On 6/2/2016 10:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Janet" > wrote in message > .. . >> In article >, says... >>> >>> "Janet B" > wrote in message >>> ... >>> > On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:53:31 -0400, Gary > wrote: >>> > >>> >>Janet wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The HPV vaccine is part of the NHS childhood vaccination >>>>>> programme and is routinely offered to secondary school >>>>>>girls aged 12 and 13. It's a safe vaccine and... >>>>> >>>>> I'll bet you never got one and YOU are still alive. Who are >>>>> you to talk? >>>>> >>>>> Don't pick on Julie for this. If anything, it should be >>>>> Angela's decision and her's alone. She's old enough to >>>>> decide. >> >>>> Do you know why the Janet's have not gotten this vaccine? >>>> Thought not. You better read up on it. BTW, no one is picking >>>> on Julie for this. We are pointing out her 'facts' are not >>>> facts. Again. You need to do some reading from some real >>>> sources, not scare sources or blogs. You are a skeptic, that's >>>> good. But before you form a solid opinion or give advice, you >>>> need to be fully informed. Janet US >>> >>> Actually you are picking on me. And none of you have a child of >>> this age. >> >> Oh god, another Bothell Bubble. >> >> So far, two regular posters in this thread have posted that they >> DO have daughters of the relevant age for HPV protection, one >> younger than yours, the other vaccinated. Another has posted that >> his grandson got HPV vaccinated. There must be dozens of others who >> have grandchildren (girls and boys)who have been or will be >> vaccinated. >> >> Janet UK > > Grandchildren don't factor in here unless they have custody. And I > really don't care what people do. But don't come whining to me if > your kid has problems from this vaccine as they are well documented. One's mind can be truly astounded by bove's questionable reading and comprehension skills and the ability to follow conversations. Bove truly is moronic with her so-called 'logic' and excuses. Custody of one's grandchildren does not factor in this 'discussion' regarding the administration of the HPV vaccine to minor children. I'm confident my DS and DIL will have their daughters (my granddaughters, ages 5 & 2, respectively) vaccinated for HPV when they come of appropriate age to receive it whether or not it's a topic of discussion between their parents and me. As many folks have said here in this thread, if many cancers can be prevented, why avoid the vaccine especially when there is a very minuscule risk of any adverse reaction(s) <---- rhetorical statement. Every day living has its own risks of complications from trivial to deadly. Bove is welcomed to keep her head buried in that "bothell bubble" and believe all the non-scientific and anecdotal excuses bove can find. Sky ================================ Kitchen Rule #1 - Use the timer! Kitchen Rule #2 - Cook's choice! ================================ |
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On 6/3/2016 1:06 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "jinx the minx" > wrote in message > ... > >> Julie Bove > wrote: >>> >>> "Janet" > wrote in message >>> .. . >>>> In article >, says... >>>>> >>>>> "sf" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:09:16 +0100, Janet > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In article >, >>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wrong. If it were that important, then it would be >>>>>>>> added to the lists of required shots. It's not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is, in UK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccina...ges/hpv-human- >>>>>>> papillomavirus-vaccine.aspx >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "All girls aged 12 to 13 are offered HPV (human papilloma >>>>>>> virus) vaccination as part of the NHS childhood >>>>>>> vaccination programme. The vaccine protects against >>>>>>> cervical cancer. It's usually given to girls in year >>>>>>> eight at schools in England. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> According to Cancer Research UK, cervical cancer is the second >>>>>>> most common cancer in women under the age of 35. >>>>>>> Which girls should have the HPV vaccination? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The HPV vaccine is part of the NHS childhood vaccination >>>>>>> programme and is routinely offered to secondary school >>>>>>> girls aged 12 and 13. It's a safe vaccine and there are >>>>>>> very few girls who aren't suitable for HPV vaccination. >>>>>>> However, special precautions may need to be taken for >>>>>>> girls with certain health conditions, or who have ever >>>>>>> had a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Read more about who should have the HPV vaccine." >>>>>>> HPV vaccine safety >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccina...cine-cervarix- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gardasil-safety.aspx >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> janet UK >>>>>> >>>>>> A HMO called Kaiser Permanente (which operates in >>>>>> California; Colorado; Georgia; Hawaii; Maryland; Oregon; >>>>>> Virginia; Washington; Washington D.C.) has it on their list >>>>>> too. I texted my DIL to see if my 14 YO grandson had gotten >>>>>> it yet and she says he did. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://kff.org/womens-health-policy/...ss-and-use-in/ >>>>>> >>>>>> According to that document >>>>>> >>>>>> The federal Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices >>>>>> (ACIP) recommends that all girls and boys get vaccinated at >>>>>> age 11 or 12, and that girls and women ages 13-26 and boys >>>>>> and men ages 13-21 be given a "catch-up" vaccination. The >>>>>> vaccine is recommended for use in men ages 22-26 if they >>>>>> have not been previously vaccinated, are immunocompromised, >>>>>> or engage in sexual activity with other men. ACIP >>>>>> recommended the vaccine for females in 2006 and added the >>>>>> recommendation for males in 2011. ACIP recommended the new >>>>>> HPV vaccine in February 2015 for females ages 9-26 and boys >>>>>> ages 9-15. Off label use for the new vaccine for males ages >>>>>> 16-21 is allowed, and a recommendation for this age group >>>>>> is expected to follow in the coming years. >>>>>> I don't know if Julie expects a social worker to knock on >>>>>> her door and tell her to vaccinate her child or what. >>>>>> Apparently an easy way to prevent certain forms of cancer >>>>>> isn't of any concern. >>>>> >>>>> Nobody is going to show up here. As I said... Her Dr. said >>>>> he could not recommend it. Neither could he not recommend >>>>> it. >>>> >>>> Exactly! He did NOT say "Your medical history is a >>>> contra-indication for having this vaccine." which he surely >>>> would do if she was at risk. >>> >>> Actually, in looking this up, I discovered that she actually has >>> had the HPV virus for many years. So wouldn't that render the >>> shot useless? That's what I read, anyway. Can't remember what >>> year it was that she got the plantar's wart on her foot but I am >>> pretty sure that she was younger than when they offered the >>> vaccine at our clinic. Plantars warts are caused by HPV. And no, >>> she wasn't into any foot fetish stuff. She was dancing barefoot >>> and that's how she got it. >>> >>> I do remember buying her a cheap pair of women's sandals in red >>> at Walmart. They were a size 6. Larger than what she wore but the >>> Dr. said it was important for her not to touch her foot down to >>> the floor for two weeks and he wrapped it up in gauze. She hated >>> the sandals so much that she managed to hop back and forth into >>> the bathroom so she wouldn't touch her foot down. >>> >>> And in case you were wondering why she had surgery instead of >>> the seemingly more traditional freezing it off... Well... That's >>> just what this Dr. does. Surgery. He seems to love it. He's then >>> one who screwed up my foot. And he offered to do surgery on my >>> husband too. Husband still goes there. We will not. I have a new >>> podiatrist now. And if Angela should develop a problem, she'll go >>> to him. >>> >> Back the bus up. The vaccine only covers a few select types of the HPV >> virus--the ones that cause cervical cancer. The HPV strain that causes >> plantar warts is not one of the strains in the vaccine. You cannot get >> cervical cancer from having plantar warts. > > I never said that you could. But somewhere, I read that once you got > HPV, the shot wasn't effective. I very recently heard the vaccine is specific to four different strains of HPV that have been proven to cause multiple types of cancers. The HPV 'plantar wart' virus strains are NOT included in the vaccine(s). Below is quoted is from the US CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-vaccine-hcp.htm "Vaccination with the quadrivalent HPV vaccine is recommended for protection against HPV types 16, 18, 6 and 11, for the prevention of cervical, vulvar, vaginal cancers and precancers in females, as well as anal cancers and precancers and genital warts in both females and males." From http://www.podiatrytoday.com/blogged...lantar-verruca or http://tinyurl.com/3sqly5n "Most plantar warts are caused by HPV types 1, 2, 4 or 63. Obviously, these types are not targets of either vaccine, which chooses the strains that are the highest risk for transformation of an HPV infection into malignancy." Another relatively recent - and scientific - link regarding the vaccine; "Mayo Clinic Cancer Center Endorses HPV Vaccination to Prevent Cancer" http://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/di...revent-cancer/ or http://tinyurl.com/zalhmcv Sky ================================ Kitchen Rule #1 - Use the timer! 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On 03/06/2016 8:38 AM, Sky wrote:
> On 6/3/2016 1:06 AM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >> ... >> >> >>> Julie Bove > wrote: >>>> >>>> "Janet" > wrote in message >>>> .. . >>>>> In article >, >>>>> says... >>>>>> >>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:09:16 +0100, Janet > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In article >, >>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wrong. If it were that important, then it would be >>>>>>>>> added to the lists of required shots. It's not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is, in UK >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccina...ges/hpv-human- >>>>>>>> papillomavirus-vaccine.aspx >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "All girls aged 12 to 13 are offered HPV (human papilloma >>>>>>>> virus) vaccination as part of the NHS childhood >>>>>>>> vaccination programme. The vaccine protects against >>>>>>>> cervical cancer. It's usually given to girls in year >>>>>>>> eight at schools in England. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> According to Cancer Research UK, cervical cancer is the second >>>>>>>> most common cancer in women under the age of 35. >>>>>>>> Which girls should have the HPV vaccination? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The HPV vaccine is part of the NHS childhood vaccination >>>>>>>> programme and is routinely offered to secondary school >>>>>>>> girls aged 12 and 13. It's a safe vaccine and there are >>>>>>>> very few girls who aren't suitable for HPV vaccination. >>>>>>>> However, special precautions may need to be taken for >>>>>>>> girls with certain health conditions, or who have ever >>>>>>>> had a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Read more about who should have the HPV vaccine." >>>>>>>> HPV vaccine safety >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccina...cine-cervarix- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> gardasil-safety.aspx >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> janet UK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A HMO called Kaiser Permanente (which operates in >>>>>>> California; Colorado; Georgia; Hawaii; Maryland; Oregon; >>>>>>> Virginia; Washington; Washington D.C.) has it on their list >>>>>>> too. I texted my DIL to see if my 14 YO grandson had gotten >>>>>>> it yet and she says he did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://kff.org/womens-health-policy/...ss-and-use-in/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> According to that document >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The federal Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices >>>>>>> (ACIP) recommends that all girls and boys get vaccinated at >>>>>>> age 11 or 12, and that girls and women ages 13-26 and boys >>>>>>> and men ages 13-21 be given a "catch-up" vaccination. The >>>>>>> vaccine is recommended for use in men ages 22-26 if they >>>>>>> have not been previously vaccinated, are immunocompromised, >>>>>>> or engage in sexual activity with other men. ACIP >>>>>>> recommended the vaccine for females in 2006 and added the >>>>>>> recommendation for males in 2011. ACIP recommended the new >>>>>>> HPV vaccine in February 2015 for females ages 9-26 and boys >>>>>>> ages 9-15. Off label use for the new vaccine for males ages >>>>>>> 16-21 is allowed, and a recommendation for this age group >>>>>>> is expected to follow in the coming years. >>>>>>> I don't know if Julie expects a social worker to knock on >>>>>>> her door and tell her to vaccinate her child or what. >>>>>>> Apparently an easy way to prevent certain forms of cancer >>>>>>> isn't of any concern. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nobody is going to show up here. As I said... Her Dr. said >>>>>> he could not recommend it. Neither could he not recommend >>>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Exactly! He did NOT say "Your medical history is a >>>>> contra-indication for having this vaccine." which he surely >>>>> would do if she was at risk. >>>> >>>> Actually, in looking this up, I discovered that she actually has >>>> had the HPV virus for many years. So wouldn't that render the >>>> shot useless? That's what I read, anyway. Can't remember what >>>> year it was that she got the plantar's wart on her foot but I am >>>> pretty sure that she was younger than when they offered the >>>> vaccine at our clinic. Plantars warts are caused by HPV. And no, >>>> she wasn't into any foot fetish stuff. She was dancing barefoot >>>> and that's how she got it. >>>> >>>> I do remember buying her a cheap pair of women's sandals in red >>>> at Walmart. They were a size 6. Larger than what she wore but the >>>> Dr. said it was important for her not to touch her foot down to >>>> the floor for two weeks and he wrapped it up in gauze. She hated >>>> the sandals so much that she managed to hop back and forth into >>>> the bathroom so she wouldn't touch her foot down. >>>> >>>> And in case you were wondering why she had surgery instead of >>>> the seemingly more traditional freezing it off... Well... That's >>>> just what this Dr. does. Surgery. He seems to love it. He's then >>>> one who screwed up my foot. And he offered to do surgery on my >>>> husband too. Husband still goes there. We will not. I have a new >>>> podiatrist now. And if Angela should develop a problem, she'll go >>>> to him. >>>> >>> Back the bus up. The vaccine only covers a few select types of the HPV >>> virus--the ones that cause cervical cancer. The HPV strain that causes >>> plantar warts is not one of the strains in the vaccine. You cannot get >>> cervical cancer from having plantar warts. >> >> I never said that you could. But somewhere, I read that once you got >> HPV, the shot wasn't effective. > > I very recently heard the vaccine is specific to four different strains > of HPV that have been proven to cause multiple types of cancers. The > HPV 'plantar wart' virus strains are NOT included in the vaccine(s). > > Below is quoted is from the US CDC: > http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-vaccine-hcp.htm > > "Vaccination with the quadrivalent HPV vaccine is recommended for > protection against HPV types 16, 18, 6 and 11, for the prevention of > cervical, vulvar, vaginal cancers and precancers in females, as well as > anal cancers and precancers and genital warts in both females and males." > > From > http://www.podiatrytoday.com/blogged...lantar-verruca > > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/3sqly5n > > "Most plantar warts are caused by HPV types 1, 2, 4 or 63. Obviously, > these types are not targets of either vaccine, which chooses the strains > that are the highest risk for transformation of an HPV infection into > malignancy." > > Another relatively recent - and scientific - link regarding the vaccine; > "Mayo Clinic Cancer Center Endorses HPV Vaccination to Prevent Cancer" > > http://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/di...revent-cancer/ > > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/zalhmcv > > Sky > Don't bothel! You are trying to talk sense to a brick wall. |
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On 6/3/2016 1:26 AM, barbie gee wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> "graham" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> On 01/06/2016 4:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>> The vaccine can cause paralysis. Not a chance I'm willing to >>>> take. >>> >>> What a load of ********! FFS stop listening to your stupid >>> naturopath! >> >> Well, I am not going to give her name here but I do know of a girl >> who is now paralyzed because of this. > > I call Bullshit on this. DITTO about the bullshit factor. As usual, bove has no authentic scientific evidence to unequivocally prove the HPV vaccine is the cause of her friend's friend's paralysis. Bove, as is typical, blows smoke out her ears, just like when she says 'farmers markets' (er, farmers stands) do not exist in the 'botell bubble' either. Sky ================================ Kitchen Rule #1 - Use the timer! Kitchen Rule #2 - Cook's choice! ================================ |
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On 2016-06-03 10:55 AM, Sky wrote:
> On 6/3/2016 1:26 AM, barbie gee wrote: >> >> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Julie Bove wrote: >>> Well, I am not going to give her name here but I do know of a girl >>> who is now paralyzed because of this. >> >> I call Bullshit on this. > > DITTO about the bullshit factor. As usual, bove has no authentic > scientific evidence to unequivocally prove the HPV vaccine is the cause > of her friend's friend's paralysis. Bove, as is typical, blows smoke > out her ears, just like when she says 'farmers markets' (er, farmers > stands) do not exist in the 'botell bubble' either. > Based on Bove's record of lying, I find it hard to believe there is a friend of a friend who was paralyzed. She makes this stuff up as she goes and later denies having said them. |
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Julie Bove wrote:
> > I am also not out to convince anyone of anything. We did what we felt was > right. You can do what you feel is right. That's the bottom line, Julie. Everyone here calling you stupid (and me too). 10 years is not a time tested thing. It could be the miracle vaccine but it might also bite you later if you got it. Here's a scenario (and hopefully wrong): 2027 commercial - Did you get the "Gardasil" vaccines years ago. If so, you qualify for a claim in a class action lawsuit. Call Johnson and Johnson, Brothers-in-Law. This happens all the time from "friendly" drugs that are proven wrong down the road. Anyone with young kids really should do tons of research before running them right out for the vaccinations. Drug companies are big business and spent millions in R&D. Once a new drug is released, they balance profits made vs law suits from complications. It's all about the bottom dollar for them. Naturally they will super promote a new vaccine to gather maximum money up front. Then they deal with the problems later. I asked several here if they ever had the vaccine. Of course they didn't. It didn't exist back then and it's too late now. My POINT is that all of here never got it and...gee whiz... we're all still alive. The lack of the vaccine didn't end the human race. If my child was of the young age recommended for this. I would do TONS of research and ask several doctors of their educated opinions before I had her take those. I would even explain the risks of vaccine or not and let her opinion count too. None of us had any problems and we're all still here discussing it. Let the buyer beware. |
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"Gary" > wrote in message ... > Julie Bove wrote: >> >> I am also not out to convince anyone of anything. We did what we felt was >> right. You can do what you feel is right. > > That's the bottom line, Julie. Everyone here calling you stupid (and > me too). > 10 years is not a time tested thing. It could be the miracle vaccine > but it might also bite you later if you got it. > > Here's a scenario (and hopefully wrong): > 2027 commercial - Did you get the "Gardasil" vaccines years ago. If > so, you qualify for a claim in a class action lawsuit. Call Johnson > and Johnson, Brothers-in-Law. > > This happens all the time from "friendly" drugs that are proven wrong > down the road. Anyone with young kids really should do tons of > research before running them right out for the vaccinations. > > Drug companies are big business and spent millions in R&D. Once a new > drug is released, they balance profits made vs law suits from > complications. It's all about the bottom dollar for them. Naturally > they will super promote a new vaccine to gather maximum money up > front. Then they deal with the problems later. > > I asked several here if they ever had the vaccine. Of course they > didn't. It didn't exist back then and it's too late now. My POINT is > that all of here never got it and...gee whiz... we're all still alive. > The lack of the vaccine didn't end the human race. > > If my child was of the young age recommended for this. I would do TONS > of research and ask several doctors of their educated opinions before > I had her take those. I would even explain the risks of vaccine or > not and let her opinion count too. > > None of us had any problems and we're all still here discussing it. > Let the buyer beware. Whatever someone decides is their business. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Gary > wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote: >> >> I am also not out to convince anyone of anything. We did what we felt was >> right. You can do what you feel is right. > > That's the bottom line, Julie. Everyone here calling you stupid (and > me too). > 10 years is not a time tested thing. It could be the miracle vaccine > but it might also bite you later if you got it. > > Here's a scenario (and hopefully wrong): > 2027 commercial - Did you get the "Gardasil" vaccines years ago. If > so, you qualify for a claim in a class action lawsuit. Call Johnson > and Johnson, Brothers-in-Law. > > This happens all the time from "friendly" drugs that are proven wrong > down the road. Anyone with young kids really should do tons of > research before running them right out for the vaccinations. > > Drug companies are big business and spent millions in R&D. Once a new > drug is released, they balance profits made vs law suits from > complications. It's all about the bottom dollar for them. Naturally > they will super promote a new vaccine to gather maximum money up > front. Then they deal with the problems later. > > I asked several here if they ever had the vaccine. Of course they > didn't. It didn't exist back then and it's too late now. My POINT is > that all of here never got it and...gee whiz... we're all still alive. > The lack of the vaccine didn't end the human race. > > If my child was of the young age recommended for this. I would do TONS > of research and ask several doctors of their educated opinions before > I had her take those. I would even explain the risks of vaccine or > not and let her opinion count too. > > None of us had any problems and we're all still here discussing it. > Let the buyer beware. > Except the point you are missing, Gary, is that at least one woman here reported having cervical cancer from HPV, and I'm sure there are others. And if not full blown cancer, at least precancerous cervical cell changes that were able to be treated before becoming full fledged cancer. The vaccine could have prevented that fate if it had been available. The status of a woman's cervix is a private matter that I'm sure most women would not care to discuss here in RFC. Not to mention, that half of the people here are men, and therefore far less likely to contract these certain cancers than women. Yes, it is Julie's right to make the decision not to vaccinate. But to make that argument based on "well we all lived without it" is not only ridiculous, but fairly insulting to women who bear the more significant brunt of the cancers that this vaccine prevents. I don't know a single woman (except Julie) that would rather have cancer than risk getting some unproven side effect. If this paralysis issue was valid, there would be more and more data and studies being put out about it, but there just isn't. If Facebook is the ultimate source of medical "fact", then buyer beware indeed. -- jinx the minx |
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Julie Bove > wrote:
> > "cshenk" > wrote in message > ... >> Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking: >> >>> In article >, cshenk1 >>> @cox.net says... >>>> >>>> Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking: >>>> >>>>> In article >, says... >>>>>> >>>>>> Janet wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In article >, >>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Janet B wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All medications come with fact sheets that lay out >>>>>>>>> possible side effects. My grandsons have had the shots. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have you ever read those fact sheets though. They'll scare >>>>>>>> you away from anything that you have to take. Even new drug >>>>>>>> commercials spend more time telling you about the side >>>>>>>> effects rather than the benefits. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IMO, this new vaccine should be up to the young teens. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most 12 yr olds have no concept of their own vulnerability >>>>>>> to the commonest STD in USA; and you can hardly expect them >>>>>>> to grasp it might kill them in one of several particularly >>>>>>> horrible ways. Kids might "know" that people die from >>>>>>> smoking, drugs, alcohol; but they are so sure it won't happen >>>>>>> to them they do that stuff anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They are almost >>>>>>>> adults and should be given the option whether to take them >>>>>>>> or not. Of course, some teens are NOT sexually active so >>>>>>>> they don't need the vaccine until they do start having sex. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You miss the point. Young teens might not be having >>>>>>> penetrative intercourse, but they may be open-mouth kissing >>>>>>> and mutually masturbating, and HPV can be transmitted by both. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's a fairly new drug and very untested as to long term >>>>>>>> effects. I never had it and neither did you. My daughter >>>>>>>> never got it either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe you both have HPV. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection >>>>>>> (STI). HPV is so common that nearly all sexually active men >>>>>>> and women get it at some point in their lives." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Janet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have it, Janet? >>>>> >>>>> Given the statistics of HPV prevalence I've probably had it, >>>>> decades before vaccination was available. >>>>> >>>>>> Have you been vaccinated? >>>>> >>>>> Of course not, stupid. >>>>> >>>>> Janet UK >>>> >>>> I got it in 2007-2008 or so. Military related service thing. >>> >>> Bit late in the day! Don't you have a daughter in college? >>> >>> Unless she is an infant genius or your name is Mary, you must have >>> been sexually active long before 2007. >>> >>> Janet UK >> >> It may have been late in the day, but that was in the first year or so >> of it coming out and suspect the folks thought it would help if you >> didnt have it. > > I don't think so. Was it really a series of three shots? > > I agree with you here. It is not and has never been a required shot for any branch of the military. And the guidelines for who should get the shot have not changed. There was never a time when "folks thought it would help". Perhaps it was offered to her, but there would be zero reason for an older married woman to get it. I'm fairly certain she's confused the HPV with HBV vaccine, which is also a series scheduled shot. -- jinx the minx |
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On 6/3/2016 11:31 AM, Gary wrote:
> I asked several here if they ever had the vaccine. Of course they > didn't. It didn't exist back then and it's too late now. My POINT is > that all of here never got it and...gee whiz... we're all still alive. > The lack of the vaccine didn't end the human race. Wow! Forget HPV for a moment. I suppose you would have said no one should have gotten the Polio vaccine, too? My high school radio broadcasting instructor had polio as a child. He was in a wheel chair. The vaccine came around in 1955, after he contracted the disease. Polio was pandemic and all over the news. Do you think if it had been available earlier his parents wouldn't have gotten him vaccinated? I think they would have. I got all sorts of vaccines as a child. No ill effects. I do know I couldn't be enrolled in school (I went to a lot of them!) without Mom providing my shot records. I'm sure that general rule (if not law) goes back to before I was born. Jill |
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jmcquown > wrote:
> On 6/3/2016 11:31 AM, Gary wrote: >> I asked several here if they ever had the vaccine. Of course they >> didn't. It didn't exist back then and it's too late now. My POINT is >> that all of here never got it and...gee whiz... we're all still alive. >> The lack of the vaccine didn't end the human race. > > Wow! Forget HPV for a moment. > > I suppose you would have said no one should have gotten the Polio > vaccine, too? My high school radio broadcasting instructor had polio as > a child. He was in a wheel chair. The vaccine came around in 1955, > after he contracted the disease. Polio was pandemic and all over the > news. Do you think if it had been available earlier his parents > wouldn't have gotten him vaccinated? I think they would have. > > I got all sorts of vaccines as a child. No ill effects. I do know I > couldn't be enrolled in school (I went to a lot of them!) without Mom > providing my shot records. I'm sure that general rule (if not law) goes > back to before I was born. > > Jill > "Who needs schools busses? When I was a kid we walked 10 miles to school, uphill both ways!" "Who needs shoes? When I was a kid, we went barefoot!" That's what Gary sounds like. I'm pretty sure if this vaccine was intended to prevent testicular cancer from masturbation, his perspective would be a whole lot different. -- jinx the minx |
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jinx the minx wrote:
> > Except the point you are missing, Gary, is that at least one woman here > reported having cervical cancer from HPV, and I'm sure there are others. > And if not full blown cancer, at least precancerous cervical cell changes > that were able to be treated before becoming full fledged cancer. The > vaccine could have prevented that fate if it had been available. The > status of a woman's cervix is a private matter that I'm sure most women > would not care to discuss here in RFC. Not to mention, that half of the > people here are men, and therefore far less likely to contract these > certain cancers than women. Yes, it is Julie's right to make the decision > not to vaccinate. But to make that argument based on "well we all lived > without it" is not only ridiculous, but fairly insulting to women who bear > the more significant brunt of the cancers that this vaccine prevents. I > don't know a single woman (except Julie) that would rather have cancer than > risk getting some unproven side effect. If this paralysis issue was valid, > there would be more and more data and studies being put out about it, but > there just isn't. If Facebook is the ultimate source of medical "fact", > then buyer beware indeed. I understand your point too. For me...it's just that it's been out and tested for only 10 years. That's NOT a time test, imo. Luckily for me, it doesn't pertain to my life or even my daughter's life. I just hope more is learned before my grandchildren get to the vaccine age. Right now, they are age 6 and 3. Regardless though, that will be her and her DH choice and not mine. And I feel the same way in my own life, so I *do* as I preach about precaution with new drugs. I don't get an annual flu shot and I don't get the annual flu. Simple precautions seem to work well for me. Remember too...the flu shots all started with that dreaded Swine flu in the 70's. Everyone panicked that year. Ever since, they make a big deal about getting your annual flu shot. I'm a little bit "tin foil hat" on that deal, I'll admit. |
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