On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 3:27:48 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>
> If she was half as bright as she thinks she is, she will have noticed that I
> replied to Bruce when he responded to her ... pretty much as I am doing now
> after your post...
>
> So, I guess she will be ****ing on herself ... again. So yes, I do have
> that foul mouthed pretentious halfwit in my killfile!
>
>
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I've noticed when you see a post
from me, included in any discussion you have to jump in
with both feet. Then claim you were replying to someone
else and not me. Just can't help yourself, I suppose,
but you'll be back.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 6:30:56 AM UTC-5, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
>
> On 6/13/2016 10:33 AM, wrote:
>
> >> exemplary credit has its privileges.
> >> Discuss...........
> >>
> >>
> > I've got you beat. 823.
> >
> Congrats. We belong to a club that most folks never see but from the
> outside of the front gate.
>
>
Yep.

On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2016-06-15 2:02 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 6/14/2016 10:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I don't know why people/morons seem to assume that older women never
>>>>> worked outside the home, Hell a lot of us worked outside the home as
>>>>> well as doing most of the work at home after work. At least these
>>>>> days the husbands, boyfriends etc., are helping out a whole lot as a
>>>>> rule with the house and kids.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>> True on the younger ones helping more but plenty of the older
>>>> generation men did too. They were however raised where the mother
>>>> didnt generally work outside the home and it probably seemed sane to
>>>> them to not think too much about how the floors got mopped and such.
>>>>
>>> Of eligible women participating in the workforce, in 1950 it was about
>>> 27% while today it is almost 60%
>>
>> In Britain 67 % of women aged 16 to 60, are in work. Women make up
>> 47% of the UK workforce
>>
>>
> According to Statistics Canada, roughly 25% of women aged 25-54 were in the
> workforce and now the number is a little more than 80%. Over the same period
> of time men have dropped from about 98% to 90%
>
> http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-630-...015009-eng.htm

and in the US, women attending college actually outnumber men, by all
racial makeups, as well, which may indicate ever increasing employment
numbers in the future.

<http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/06/womens-college-enrollment-gains-leave-men-behind/>

In article . pbz>,
says...
>
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > According to Statistics Canada, roughly 25% of women aged 25-54
were in the
> > workforce and now the number is a little more than 80%. Over the same period
> > of time men have dropped from about 98% to 90%
> >
> > http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-630-...015009-eng.htm
>
> and in the US, women attending college actually outnumber men, by all
> racial makeups, as well, which may indicate ever increasing employment
> numbers in the future.

It's good that they outnumber men, because so many will drop out when
they start popping weasels. It's just a pastime for them until they
become broody.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/15/2016 6:56 AM, wrote:
>
>> I can't resist a smile now and then when old men try to chat me up,
>> it's so hard for them when the wives who did everything die and they
>> suddenly have to figure out how to shop for groceries, how to cook,
>> how to run the washer etc etc etc -
>
> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
> is money. How many times have I heard that.
>
> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
>
> nancy

Never wrote a check? How could that be? Although these days not many people
write checks. About the only ones who do are elderly.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> On 6/15/2016 6:56 AM, wrote:
>>
>> > I can't resist a smile now and then when old men try to chat me up,
>> > it's so hard for them when the wives who did everything die and they
>> > suddenly have to figure out how to shop for groceries, how to cook,
>> > how to run the washer etc etc etc -
>>
>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
>>
>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
>
> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
> when their lifelong mate dies.

This was my mom because she just flat out refused to even learn how to do
certain things. Like take her car for a repair or put gas in it. Or even
assemble something.

Me? I assess the situation and decide whether I think I should at least
attempt doing it or hire someone. Few would be the times that I sit back
crying that I don't know what to do.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
>>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
>>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
>>
>> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
>> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
>> when their lifelong mate dies.
>
> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
>
> nancy

Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen it. I
don't like it.

In article >, says...
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
> >> Nancy Young wrote:
> >
> >>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
> >>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
> >>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
> >>
> >> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
> >> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
> >> when their lifelong mate dies.
> >
> > I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
> > of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
> > go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
> > women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
> > I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
> >
> > nancy
>
> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen it. I
> don't like it.

Really.

Janet UK

On 6/16/2016 5:08 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
>>>>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
>>>>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
>>>>
>>>> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
>>>> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
>>>> when their lifelong mate dies.
>>>
>>> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
>>> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
>>> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
>>> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
>>> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen it. I
>> don't like it.
>
> Really.
>
> Janet UK
>

I disagree. I think we are breeding masses of both men and women who
are, truly, helpless. In the ignorant, unskilled sort of way. Nobody
wants to or even can take responsibility for themselves and their
family. We are doomed.

On 2016-06-16 8:08 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...

>>> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
>>> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
>>> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
>>> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
>>> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen it. I
>> don't like it.
>
> Really.
>
LOL. That just sent the needle on the irony meter right off the end of
the scale.

On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 05:35:43 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 6/16/2016 5:08 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
>>>>>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
>>>>>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
>>>>> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
>>>>> when their lifelong mate dies.
>>>>
>>>> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
>>>> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
>>>> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
>>>> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
>>>> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen it. I
>>> don't like it.
>>
>> Really.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>
>I disagree. I think we are breeding masses of both men and women who
>are, truly, helpless. In the ignorant, unskilled sort of way. Nobody
>wants to or even can take responsibility for themselves and their
>family. We are doomed.

The kids with 'helicopter' parents are helpless, through no fault of
their own. I heard an interview with a counsellor at a local
university. She is retiring early because she is fed up with parents
that call her, tell her what their kids are to do etc etc. She said
she had always been there to help particularly first year students,
not their parents. Apparently some parents even want to be in on
their kids interviews, planning etc.

It all probably started with 'play dates' where the parents select
friends for their kids and organise for them to meet those approved
kids.

On 2016-06-16 8:35 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 6/16/2016 5:08 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
>>>>>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
>>>>>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
>>>>> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
>>>>> when their lifelong mate dies.
>>>>
>>>> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
>>>> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
>>>> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
>>>> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
>>>> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen
>>> it. I
>>> don't like it.
>>
>> Really.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>
> I disagree. I think we are breeding masses of both men and women who
> are, truly, helpless. In the ignorant, unskilled sort of way. Nobody
> wants to or even can take responsibility for themselves and their
> family. We are doomed.

That is part of the problem. Then there is the sense of entitlement for
those with money. It is a pretty bad state of affairs when some people
are filthy rich and hiding their assets to avoid the taxes which might
mean their summer home will only be 5000 sq ft and they can't afford to
buy Porshes for the kids when they go off to college.

On 6/16/2016 6:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-06-16 8:35 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 6/16/2016 5:08 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
>>>>>>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
>>>>>>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
>>>>>> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
>>>>>> when their lifelong mate dies.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
>>>>> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
>>>>> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
>>>>> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
>>>>> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
>>>>>
>>>>> nancy
>>>>
>>>> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen
>>>> it. I
>>>> don't like it.
>>>
>>> Really.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>
>> I disagree. I think we are breeding masses of both men and women who
>> are, truly, helpless. In the ignorant, unskilled sort of way. Nobody
>> wants to or even can take responsibility for themselves and their
>> family. We are doomed.
>
> That is part of the problem. Then there is the sense of entitlement for
> those with money. It is a pretty bad state of affairs when some people
> are filthy rich and hiding their assets to avoid the taxes which might
> mean their summer home will only be 5000 sq ft and they can't afford to
> buy Porshes for the kids when they go off to college.
>

I think the bigger problem is the sense of entitlement of people
without money. They don't work for it, spend what they don't have, want
bailouts and government handouts, and then complain about the people
that have worked and saved.

On 16/06/2016 7:17 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 6/16/2016 6:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-06-16 8:35 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 6/16/2016 5:08 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
>>>>>>>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
>>>>>>>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
>>>>>>> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
>>>>>>> when their lifelong mate dies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
>>>>>> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
>>>>>> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
>>>>>> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
>>>>>> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nancy
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen
>>>>> it. I
>>>>> don't like it.
>>>>
>>>> Really.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>>
>>> I disagree. I think we are breeding masses of both men and women who
>>> are, truly, helpless. In the ignorant, unskilled sort of way. Nobody
>>> wants to or even can take responsibility for themselves and their
>>> family. We are doomed.
>>
>> That is part of the problem. Then there is the sense of entitlement for
>> those with money. It is a pretty bad state of affairs when some people
>> are filthy rich and hiding their assets to avoid the taxes which might
>> mean their summer home will only be 5000 sq ft and they can't afford to
>> buy Porshes for the kids when they go off to college.
>>
>
> I think the bigger problem is the sense of entitlement of people
> without money. They don't work for it, spend what they don't have, want
> bailouts and government handouts, and then complain about the people
> that have worked and saved.
Really?
Remember the bank crisis? That was due to a bunch of wealthy bankers
feeling entitled to obscene profits and bonuses - and who suffered?

On 6/16/2016 7:11 AM, graham wrote:
> On 16/06/2016 7:17 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 6/16/2016 6:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2016-06-16 8:35 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>> On 6/16/2016 5:08 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
>>>>>>>>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
>>>>>>>>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
>>>>>>>> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
>>>>>>>> when their lifelong mate dies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
>>>>>>> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
>>>>>>> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
>>>>>>> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
>>>>>>> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nancy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen
>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>> don't like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. I think we are breeding masses of both men and women who
>>>> are, truly, helpless. In the ignorant, unskilled sort of way. Nobody
>>>> wants to or even can take responsibility for themselves and their
>>>> family. We are doomed.
>>>
>>> That is part of the problem. Then there is the sense of entitlement for
>>> those with money. It is a pretty bad state of affairs when some people
>>> are filthy rich and hiding their assets to avoid the taxes which might
>>> mean their summer home will only be 5000 sq ft and they can't afford to
>>> buy Porshes for the kids when they go off to college.
>>>
>>
>> I think the bigger problem is the sense of entitlement of people
>> without money. They don't work for it, spend what they don't have, want
>> bailouts and government handouts, and then complain about the people
>> that have worked and saved.
> Really?
> Remember the bank crisis? That was due to a bunch of wealthy bankers
> feeling entitled to obscene profits and bonuses - and who suffered?

There is the problem. A handful of bankers and insurance speculators
cause a big problem, get a pass, and then you start blaming everybody
who has made a bit of success for themselves.

On 6/14/2016 1:54 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:05:13 PM UTC-5, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
>> On 6/14/2016 5:10 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
>>> On 6/13/2016 9:05 PM, Idlehands wrote:
>>>> On 2016-06-13 8:42 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
>>>>> Being a full bird Colonel with exemplary credit has its privileges.
>>>>> Discuss...........
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're a ****ing idiot with delusions of grandeur while posing as a
>>>> Vietnam vet.
>>>>
>>> You momma gimme good head, little feller.
>>> LOL
>>>
>>
>> The dividing line falls at 799. Anything above is "exemplary" credit.
>> That's me and not U.
>> LOL
>
> And WHAT precisely does an "exemplary" credit rating get you? Besides specious bragging rights?
>
> John Kuthe...
>
You momma gimme good head.

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:17:54 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 6/16/2016 6:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2016-06-16 8:35 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >> On 6/16/2016 5:08 AM, Janet wrote:
> >>> In article >, says...
> >>>>
> >>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
> >>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
> >>>>>>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
> >>>>>>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
> >>>>>> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
> >>>>>> when their lifelong mate dies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
> >>>>> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
> >>>>> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
> >>>>> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
> >>>>> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> nancy
> >>>>
> >>>> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen
> >>>> it. I
> >>>> don't like it.
> >>>
> >>> Really.
> >>>
> >>> Janet UK
> >>>
> >>
> >> I disagree. I think we are breeding masses of both men and women who
> >> are, truly, helpless. In the ignorant, unskilled sort of way. Nobody
> >> wants to or even can take responsibility for themselves and their
> >> family. We are doomed.
> >
> > That is part of the problem. Then there is the sense of entitlement for
> > those with money. It is a pretty bad state of affairs when some people
> > are filthy rich and hiding their assets to avoid the taxes which might
> > mean their summer home will only be 5000 sq ft and they can't afford to
> > buy Porshes for the kids when they go off to college.
> >
>
> I think the bigger problem is the sense of entitlement of people
> without money. They don't work for it, spend what they don't have, want
> bailouts and government handouts, and then complain about the people
> that have worked and saved.

You are clueless! The REAL oroblems are with the upper 0.1%!! They own MOST of OUR money!!

John Kuthe...

On 6/16/2016 10:15 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:17:54 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 6/16/2016 6:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2016-06-16 8:35 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>> On 6/16/2016 5:08 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
>>>>>>>>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
>>>>>>>>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
>>>>>>>> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
>>>>>>>> when their lifelong mate dies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
>>>>>>> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
>>>>>>> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
>>>>>>> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
>>>>>>> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nancy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen
>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>> don't like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. I think we are breeding masses of both men and women who
>>>> are, truly, helpless. In the ignorant, unskilled sort of way. Nobody
>>>> wants to or even can take responsibility for themselves and their
>>>> family. We are doomed.
>>>
>>> That is part of the problem. Then there is the sense of entitlement for
>>> those with money. It is a pretty bad state of affairs when some people
>>> are filthy rich and hiding their assets to avoid the taxes which might
>>> mean their summer home will only be 5000 sq ft and they can't afford to
>>> buy Porshes for the kids when they go off to college.
>>>
>>
>> I think the bigger problem is the sense of entitlement of people
>> without money. They don't work for it, spend what they don't have, want
>> bailouts and government handouts, and then complain about the people
>> that have worked and saved.
>
> You are clueless! The REAL oroblems are with the upper 0.1%!! They own MOST of OUR money!!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

"our money"? go earn it.

"Taxed and Spent" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/16/2016 6:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-06-16 8:35 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 6/16/2016 5:08 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
>>>>>>>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
>>>>>>>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
>>>>>>> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
>>>>>>> when their lifelong mate dies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
>>>>>> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
>>>>>> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
>>>>>> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
>>>>>> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nancy
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen
>>>>> it. I
>>>>> don't like it.
>>>>
>>>> Really.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>>
>>> I disagree. I think we are breeding masses of both men and women who
>>> are, truly, helpless. In the ignorant, unskilled sort of way. Nobody
>>> wants to or even can take responsibility for themselves and their
>>> family. We are doomed.
>>
>> That is part of the problem. Then there is the sense of entitlement for
>> those with money. It is a pretty bad state of affairs when some people
>> are filthy rich and hiding their assets to avoid the taxes which might
>> mean their summer home will only be 5000 sq ft and they can't afford to
>> buy Porshes for the kids when they go off to college.
>>
>
> I think the bigger problem is the sense of entitlement of people without
> money. They don't work for it, spend what they don't have, want bailouts
> and government handouts, and then complain about the people that have
> worked and saved.

I am seeing that a lot with young adults, especially single mothers. They
post to the local Facebook group asking for things. One was getting her
first apartment and she asked for very specific and expensive things as
though it were a wedding gift registry. She only wanted new, high end stuff
too. Others ask for food, clothing, toys...

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 1:34:35 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 6/16/2016 10:15 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:17:54 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >> On 6/16/2016 6:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>> On 2016-06-16 8:35 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>>> On 6/16/2016 5:08 AM, Janet wrote:
> >>>>> In article >, says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, Gary wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'd say that's a lot better than widows who have never
> >>>>>>>>> written a check, don't know where the money is ... or if there
> >>>>>>>>> is money. How many times have I heard that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm sure that's not something that happens very often these days.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It does with the older folks that have been married forever.
> >>>>>>>> It goes both ways too... women and men often feel helpless
> >>>>>>>> when their lifelong mate dies.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I could be wrong, but I feel like we're aging out of the generation
> >>>>>>> of women who are really that helpless, as far as traditional roles
> >>>>>>> go. Of course there are still men who can't open a can of soup and
> >>>>>>> women who don't know anything that's going on with the finances, but
> >>>>>>> I really don't think that's as common as it once was.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> nancy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen
> >>>>>> it. I
> >>>>>> don't like it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Really.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Janet UK
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I disagree. I think we are breeding masses of both men and women who
> >>>> are, truly, helpless. In the ignorant, unskilled sort of way. Nobody
> >>>> wants to or even can take responsibility for themselves and their
> >>>> family. We are doomed.
> >>>
> >>> That is part of the problem. Then there is the sense of entitlement for
> >>> those with money. It is a pretty bad state of affairs when some people
> >>> are filthy rich and hiding their assets to avoid the taxes which might
> >>> mean their summer home will only be 5000 sq ft and they can't afford to
> >>> buy Porshes for the kids when they go off to college.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I think the bigger problem is the sense of entitlement of people
> >> without money. They don't work for it, spend what they don't have, want
> >> bailouts and government handouts, and then complain about the people
> >> that have worked and saved.
> >
> > You are clueless! The REAL oroblems are with the upper 0.1%!! They own MOST of OUR money!!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
> >
>
> "our money"? go earn it.

ROFL!! You really don't understand economics, do you?

Typical for a SOCK PUPPET!! Get a real name, asshole!!

John Kuthe...

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> I am seeing that a lot with young adults, especially single mothers. They
> post to the local Facebook group asking for things. One was getting her
> first apartment and she asked for very specific and expensive things as
> though it were a wedding gift registry. She only wanted new, high end
> stuff too. Others ask for food, clothing, toys...

No harm in asking, but the idiots that would actually respond to a stranger
asking for high end material things aren't to be understood by me. I imagine
so many of them are simply scams.

Cheri

On 16/06/2016 1:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>

> No harm in asking, but the idiots that would actually respond to a
> stranger asking for high end material things aren't to be understood by
> me. I imagine so many of them are simply scams.
>
> Cheri

Like many crowd funding requests!

On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 22:17:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:


>Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen it. I
>don't like it.

Time to wipe the coffee off the screen. Again.

In article >, says...
>
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 22:17:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
> >Yep. And then there are those who like to play helpless. I have seen it. I
> >don't like it.
>
> Time to wipe the coffee off the screen. Again.

I guess you couldn't help yourself.

On 2016-06-16 4:02 PM, graham wrote:

>> No harm in asking, but the idiots that would actually respond to a
>> stranger asking for high end material things aren't to be understood by
>> me. I imagine so many of them are simply scams.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Like many crowd funding requests!


Hey. I like the idea of crowd funding. I am fed up with appeals to
government to do things and to fund things that I am not in favour of.
The way I see it is that it provides the opportunity for bleeding hearts
to put their money where their mouths are.


On a related note... I am getting tired of almost daily emails petitions
from change.org looking for my support for things. I think that every
one of those should include a pro and anti option. If they are looking
for my support to get something done I want the option to counter it.

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 3:58:48 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-06-16 4:02 PM, graham wrote:
>
> >> No harm in asking, but the idiots that would actually respond to a
> >> stranger asking for high end material things aren't to be understood by
> >> me. I imagine so many of them are simply scams.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > Like many crowd funding requests!
>
>
> Hey. I like the idea of crowd funding. I am fed up with appeals to
> government to do things and to fund things that I am not in favour of.
> The way I see it is that it provides the opportunity for bleeding hearts
> to put their money where their mouths are.

Yep, socialism at it's finest! :-)


> On a related note... I am getting tired of almost daily emails petitions
> from change.org looking for my support for things. I think that every
> one of those should include a pro and anti option. If they are looking
> for my support to get something done I want the option to counter it.

I delete a LOT of what comes to my email account. Most, actually.

John Kuthe...

On 16/06/2016 2:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-06-16 4:02 PM, graham wrote:
>
>>> No harm in asking, but the idiots that would actually respond to a
>>> stranger asking for high end material things aren't to be understood by
>>> me. I imagine so many of them are simply scams.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Like many crowd funding requests!
>
>
> Hey. I like the idea of crowd funding. I am fed up with appeals to
> government to do things and to fund things that I am not in favour of.
> The way I see it is that it provides the opportunity for bleeding hearts
> to put their money where their mouths are.
>
>
> On a related note... I am getting tired of almost daily emails petitions
> from change.org looking for my support for things. I think that every
> one of those should include a pro and anti option. If they are looking
> for my support to get something done I want the option to counter it.
>
>
I avoid that site, life is complicated enough as it is and we are
swamped with information at every turn! I get too many demands from
charities such that I'm experiencing donor fatigue.

On 6/16/2016 3:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I am seeing that a lot with young adults, especially single mothers.
>> They post to the local Facebook group asking for things. One was
>> getting her first apartment and she asked for very specific and
>> expensive things as though it were a wedding gift registry. She only
>> wanted new, high end stuff too. Others ask for food, clothing, toys...
>
> No harm in asking, but the idiots that would actually respond to a
> stranger asking for high end material things aren't to be understood by
> me. I imagine so many of them are simply scams.
>
> Cheri

Absolutely. Anyone who would send expensive items to some stranger
begging for stuff online deserves to be ripped off.

Jill

On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:30:00 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/16/2016 3:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I am seeing that a lot with young adults, especially single mothers.
>>> They post to the local Facebook group asking for things. One was
>>> getting her first apartment and she asked for very specific and
>>> expensive things as though it were a wedding gift registry. She only
>>> wanted new, high end stuff too. Others ask for food, clothing, toys...
>>
>> No harm in asking, but the idiots that would actually respond to a
>> stranger asking for high end material things aren't to be understood by
>> me. I imagine so many of them are simply scams.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>Absolutely. Anyone who would send expensive items to some stranger
>begging for stuff online deserves to be ripped off.
>
>Jill

Well that's on Fools Book, they get what they deserve.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:30:00 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> >On 6/16/2016 3:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >>
> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> I am seeing that a lot with young adults, especially single mothers.
> >>> They post to the local Facebook group asking for things. One was
> >>> getting her first apartment and she asked for very specific and
> >>> expensive things as though it were a wedding gift registry. She only
> >>> wanted new, high end stuff too. Others ask for food, clothing, toys...
> >>
> >> No harm in asking, but the idiots that would actually respond to a
> >> stranger asking for high end material things aren't to be understood by
> >> me. I imagine so many of them are simply scams.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> >Absolutely. Anyone who would send expensive items to some stranger
> >begging for stuff online deserves to be ripped off.
> >
> >Jill
>
> Well that's on Fools Book, they get what they deserve.

Because they use Facebook? That's rather narrow-minded of you.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 16/06/2016 1:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>
>> No harm in asking, but the idiots that would actually respond to a
>> stranger asking for high end material things aren't to be understood by
>> me. I imagine so many of them are simply scams.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Like many crowd funding requests!

Truly, one step away from the Nigerian scam with many of them.

Cheri

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 6/14/2016 10:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > > I don't know why people/morons seem to assume that older women
> > > never worked outside the home, Hell a lot of us worked outside
> > > the home as well as doing most of the work at home after work. At
> > > least these days the husbands, boyfriends etc., are helping out a
> > > whole lot as a rule with the house and kids.
> > >
> > > Cheri
> >
> > True on the younger ones helping more but plenty of the older
> > generation men did too. They were however raised where the mother
> > didnt generally work outside the home and it probably seemed sane to
> > them to not think too much about how the floors got mopped and such.

> Of eligible women participating in the workforce, in 1950 it was
> about 27% while today it is almost 60%

I'm suprised it is that low. It seems more like 80% now.

> Stay at home moms was quite common when I was a kid, not so much now.
> Lots of things have changed, but back then one person could make
> enough money in a good job to support a family, buy a modest house,
> one car. I'm not sure we progressed when we warehouse kids in day
> care.

We didn't really. Don and I decided one of us needed to be home when
Charlotte was born and since I was active duty and he had just
'retired' and my income potential was higher, he stayed home. It was
tough because the stay-at-home women felt threatened somehow to see a
man do it with a small child while the wife went to work.

--

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 6/14/2016 10:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > > > I don't know why people/morons seem to assume that older women
> > > > never worked outside the home, Hell a lot of us worked outside
> > > > the home as well as doing most of the work at home after work.
> > > > At least these days the husbands, boyfriends etc., are helping
> > > > out a whole lot as a rule with the house and kids.
> > > >
> > > > Cheri
> > >
> > > True on the younger ones helping more but plenty of the older
> > > generation men did too. They were however raised where the mother
> > > didnt generally work outside the home and it probably seemed sane
> > > to them to not think too much about how the floors got mopped and
> > > such.
> > >
> > Of eligible women participating in the workforce, in 1950 it was
> > about 27% while today it is almost 60%
> >
> > Stay at home moms was quite common when I was a kid, not so much
> > now. Lots of things have changed, but back then one person could
> > make enough money in a good job to support a family, buy a modest
> > house, one car. I'm not sure we progressed when we warehouse kids
> > in day care.
>
> This is one reason why I never went back to work after I had Angela.
> I had planned to when she reached about age 2. But then I became sick
> and too disabled to do so. I had hopes that the Drs. would be able to
> help me enough to get enough better to work, but no. At any rate, I
> did check into daycare and it was so costly that it made no sense for
> me to even attempt to work. By the time I'd paid off the daycare, I'd
> be working for peanuts. I reasoned that it would be better just to be
> more frugal and careful with my money, so this is what I did.
>
> Of course, I did miss going to work. I'm a real people person and
> sitting at home can get to me after a while. I am now finding more of
> a sense of purpose by taking a couple of friends shopping and to
> appointments and such. It is hard for me as they are in another city
> and it is hard for me to drive there and back, but I figure I can
> manage it once or twice a week. One has no car. The other does have a
> car and had been doing the driving but some issues have come up that
> I won't get into here but... Bottom line, she is not free to use her
> car any time she might need to use it. So... I volunteered my
> services. Saves them from having to take a bus and some places they
> need to go are not on bus routes.

THats a good thing Julie, gets you out and about but no stress.



--

On 2016-06-16 5:31 PM, graham wrote:
> On 16/06/2016 2:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>
>> On a related note... I am getting tired of almost daily emails petitions
>> from change.org looking for my support for things. I think that every
>> one of those should include a pro and anti option. If they are looking
>> for my support to get something done I want the option to counter it.
>>
>>
> I avoid that site, life is complicated enough as it is and we are
> swamped with information at every turn! I get too many demands from
> charities such that I'm experiencing donor fatigue.


I am fed up with the business of find raising. It's not enough that you
give a donation. If you give enough for them to issue a tax receipt
they get your name and address and they won't leave you alone. They send
mail, email and telephone you regularly to ask for more. My wife once
sent a donation to hospice in Victoria BC in memory of an old school
friend who had died. They sent beg letters almost monthly for years and
years. For year I was getting beg letters for associations for cancer
of just about part of the body. It has dropped off over the last few
year. I guess their tracking system figured out they had got to the
point where it was costing them more for mailings than they had got from
me.

On 16/06/2016 7:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-06-16 5:31 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 16/06/2016 2:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>
>>> On a related note... I am getting tired of almost daily emails petitions
>>> from change.org looking for my support for things. I think that every
>>> one of those should include a pro and anti option. If they are looking
>>> for my support to get something done I want the option to counter it.
>>>
>>>
>> I avoid that site, life is complicated enough as it is and we are
>> swamped with information at every turn! I get too many demands from
>> charities such that I'm experiencing donor fatigue.
>
>
> I am fed up with the business of find raising. It's not enough that you
> give a donation. If you give enough for them to issue a tax receipt
> they get your name and address and they won't leave you alone. They send
> mail, email and telephone you regularly to ask for more. My wife once
> sent a donation to hospice in Victoria BC in memory of an old school
> friend who had died. They sent beg letters almost monthly for years and
> years. For year I was getting beg letters for associations for cancer
> of just about part of the body. It has dropped off over the last few
> year. I guess their tracking system figured out they had got to the
> point where it was costing them more for mailings than they had got from
> me.
>
After contributing to the cancer fund for many years (I was diagnosed 18
years ago) I got fed up with their constant demands. After making a
significant donation mid-year, I received a request for more a few weeks
later. Then in September I received a calendar with the request that I
pay $200 for it. That was the last straw and I immediately told them to
take me off the mailing list.
The CEO of that charity makes $300k+ !!!!
Now with the recession in Calgary, my younger son is finding it tough so
charity now begins at home!
Graham

On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 20:21:47 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 16/06/2016 7:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-06-16 5:31 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 16/06/2016 2:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> On a related note... I am getting tired of almost daily emails petitions
>>>> from change.org looking for my support for things. I think that every
>>>> one of those should include a pro and anti option. If they are looking
>>>> for my support to get something done I want the option to counter it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I avoid that site, life is complicated enough as it is and we are
>>> swamped with information at every turn! I get too many demands from
>>> charities such that I'm experiencing donor fatigue.
>>
>>
>> I am fed up with the business of find raising. It's not enough that you
>> give a donation. If you give enough for them to issue a tax receipt
>> they get your name and address and they won't leave you alone. They send
>> mail, email and telephone you regularly to ask for more. My wife once
>> sent a donation to hospice in Victoria BC in memory of an old school
>> friend who had died. They sent beg letters almost monthly for years and
>> years. For year I was getting beg letters for associations for cancer
>> of just about part of the body. It has dropped off over the last few
>> year. I guess their tracking system figured out they had got to the
>> point where it was costing them more for mailings than they had got from
>> me.
>>
>After contributing to the cancer fund for many years (I was diagnosed 18
>years ago) I got fed up with their constant demands. After making a
>significant donation mid-year, I received a request for more a few weeks
>later. Then in September I received a calendar with the request that I
>pay $200 for it. That was the last straw and I immediately told them to
>take me off the mailing list.
>The CEO of that charity makes $300k+ !!!!

Exactly. The real purpose of most charities these days is only about
giving the CEOs and administration a steady income. Australia has more
than 54000 registered charities. More than 10 new ones every day, the
industry has exploded in recent years and I'm sure it's the same or
worse over your way. it's an unfortunate situation, when most are
essentially scams with full legal protection, which of course harms
the genuine ones.

"graham" > wrote in message
...

> After contributing to the cancer fund for many years (I was diagnosed 18
> years ago) I got fed up with their constant demands. After making a
> significant donation mid-year, I received a request for more a few weeks
> later. Then in September I received a calendar with the request that I pay
> $200 for it. That was the last straw and I immediately told them to take
> me off the mailing list.
> The CEO of that charity makes $300k+ !!!!
> Now with the recession in Calgary, my younger son is finding it tough so
> charity now begins at home!
> Graham

Yes, it's sad that after you contribute a few times, they hound you to
death. Same with PBS, geez, neverending.

Cheri

On 6/16/2016 7:38 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> After contributing to the cancer fund for many years (I was diagnosed
>> 18 years ago) I got fed up with their constant demands. After making a
>> significant donation mid-year, I received a request for more a few
>> weeks later. Then in September I received a calendar with the request
>> that I pay $200 for it. That was the last straw and I immediately told
>> them to take me off the mailing list.
>> The CEO of that charity makes $300k+ !!!!
>> Now with the recession in Calgary, my younger son is finding it tough
>> so charity now begins at home!
>> Graham
>
> Yes, it's sad that after you contribute a few times, they hound you to
> death. Same with PBS, geez, neverending.
>
> Cheri

The IRS is the absolute worst!

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I am seeing that a lot with young adults, especially single mothers. They
>> post to the local Facebook group asking for things. One was getting her
>> first apartment and she asked for very specific and expensive things as
>> though it were a wedding gift registry. She only wanted new, high end
>> stuff too. Others ask for food, clothing, toys...
>
> No harm in asking, but the idiots that would actually respond to a
> stranger asking for high end material things aren't to be understood by
> me. I imagine so many of them are simply scams.

There seem to be other idiots out there who think they are helping people by
giving them stuff. I did give a guy Angela's sewing machine, sewing book and
kit last year. All Christmas presents some years ago, all unused. He hadn't
asked for anything to be given to him but merely mentioned that his
daughters wanted to learn to sew and where could he get them a machine.

Turns out he lives not far from me. I just happened to see the post right
when he posted it and we had the stuff sitting out to take to Value Village.
I responded to him that he could have them. And he lived close enough that I
threw some clothes on and moved outside to a lawn chair and then he drove
up. We were going to give the stuff away anyway so that worked quite well.

I like to be able to do stuff like that. But begging? I'm not into that.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> After contributing to the cancer fund for many years (I was diagnosed 18
>> years ago) I got fed up with their constant demands. After making a
>> significant donation mid-year, I received a request for more a few weeks
>> later. Then in September I received a calendar with the request that I
>> pay $200 for it. That was the last straw and I immediately told them to
>> take me off the mailing list.
>> The CEO of that charity makes $300k+ !!!!
>> Now with the recession in Calgary, my younger son is finding it tough so
>> charity now begins at home!
>> Graham
>
> Yes, it's sad that after you contribute a few times, they hound you to
> death. Same with PBS, geez, neverending.

Some years back a long time poster from the diabetes newsgroup died. He used
to joke that he had diabetic hummingbirds. Anyway... His wife had requested
donations to the ADA. I donated and they were on me like white on rice. Then
we moved to another state and they seemed not to know that. Heh.