On 6/17/2016 5:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-06-17 4:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> Anyway, they didn't feel threatened, they treated me like their mascot
>>> male room mother. Those were good times. I did the room mother thing
>>> for 4 years and enjoyed being part of it all.
>>
>> I don't know about threatened, but going back some years it was
>> certainly not the norm. I never heard of a stay at home dad until
>> sometime in the 80's.
>>
>
>
> The conversation I had with some women about a stay at home dad was in
> the 80s or early 90s, and they thought that any guy who let his wife go
> out and work while he stayed home was a lazy bum.
>
>

In the case of the two I was aware of the women were doing well in the
paycheck. One was a scientist working for a major pharmaceutical, the
other a physician, OB-GYN.

On 6/17/2016 9:56 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:43:23 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
>>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>>>
>>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert.
>
> W in the F??????????????
>
>> Charlotte was
>>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
>>> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
>>> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
>>> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>>>
>>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
>>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>>> didnt live on that side of life.
>>
>> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
>> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
>> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
>> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
>> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>
> Carol's comment is one of the strangest things I've ever read in RFC.
> I mean that seriously. 21 years ago I was doing the g/f and toddler's
> laundry in a laundromat and of course, nobody noticed or acted strange
> because I did that. Why in the hell would they?? I'm really having
> trouble wrapping my head around that one.
>

She was in the military. If this was in a heavily military population I
could see it happening.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:58 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/17/2016 9:56 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:43:23 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
>>>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>>>>
>>>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>>>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>>>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert.
>>
>> W in the F??????????????
>>
>>> Charlotte was
>>>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>>>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
>>>> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
>>>> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
>>>> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>>>>
>>>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
>>>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>>>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>>>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>>>> didnt live on that side of life.
>>>
>>> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
>>> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
>>> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
>>> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
>>> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>>
>> Carol's comment is one of the strangest things I've ever read in RFC.
>> I mean that seriously. 21 years ago I was doing the g/f and toddler's
>> laundry in a laundromat and of course, nobody noticed or acted strange
>> because I did that. Why in the hell would they?? I'm really having
>> trouble wrapping my head around that one.
>>
>
>She was in the military. If this was in a heavily military population I
>could see it happening.

That could well explain the phenomenon. I'm not sure what that says
about the military culture or societal aspects of the same though.

> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 20:43:19 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/14/2016 10:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know why people/morons seem to assume that older women
>>>>>>> never worked outside the home, Hell a lot of us worked outside
>>>>>>> the home as well as doing most of the work at home after work.
>>> At >> > > least these days the husbands, boyfriends etc., are helping
>>> out a >> > > whole lot as a rule with the house and kids.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True on the younger ones helping more but plenty of the older
>>>>>> generation men did too. They were however raised where the
>>> mother >> > didnt generally work outside the home and it probably
>>> seemed sane to >> > them to not think too much about how the floors
>>> got mopped and such.
>>>>
>>>>> Of eligible women participating in the workforce, in 1950 it was
>>>>> about 27% while today it is almost 60%
>>>>
>>>> I'm suprised it is that low. It seems more like 80% now.
>>>>
>>>>> Stay at home moms was quite common when I was a kid, not so much
>>> now. >> Lots of things have changed, but back then one person could
>>> make >> enough money in a good job to support a family, buy a modest
>>> house, >> one car. I'm not sure we progressed when we warehouse kids
>>> in day >> care.
>>>>
>>>> We didn't really. Don and I decided one of us needed to be home
>>>> when Charlotte was born and since I was active duty and he had just
>>>> 'retired' and my income potential was higher, he stayed home. It was
>>>> tough because the stay-at-home women felt threatened somehow to see
>>>> a man do it with a small child while the wife went to work.
>>>
>>> I think you have a high powered imagination - why on earth would they
>>> feel threatened? More likely your husband felt threatened.
>>
>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>>
>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert. Charlotte was
>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
>> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
>> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
>> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>>
>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
>> the same time.
>>
>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>> didnt live on that side of life.
>
> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>

Sounds to me like her husband felt inferior and self conscious.

--
jinx the minx

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 20:43:19 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> On 6/14/2016 10:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > > I don't know why people/morons seem to assume that older women
>> >> > > never worked outside the home, Hell a lot of us worked outside
>> >> > > the home as well as doing most of the work at home after work.
>> At >> > > least these days the husbands, boyfriends etc., are helping
>> out a >> > > whole lot as a rule with the house and kids.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cheri
>> >> >
>> >> > True on the younger ones helping more but plenty of the older
>> >> > generation men did too. They were however raised where the
>> mother >> > didnt generally work outside the home and it probably
>> seemed sane to >> > them to not think too much about how the floors
>> got mopped and such.
>> >
>> >> Of eligible women participating in the workforce, in 1950 it was
>> >> about 27% while today it is almost 60%
>> >
>> > I'm suprised it is that low. It seems more like 80% now.
>> >
>> >> Stay at home moms was quite common when I was a kid, not so much
>> now. >> Lots of things have changed, but back then one person could
>> make >> enough money in a good job to support a family, buy a modest
>> house, >> one car. I'm not sure we progressed when we warehouse kids
>> in day >> care.
>> >
>> > We didn't really. Don and I decided one of us needed to be home
>> > when Charlotte was born and since I was active duty and he had just
>> > 'retired' and my income potential was higher, he stayed home. It was
>> > tough because the stay-at-home women felt threatened somehow to see
>> > a man do it with a small child while the wife went to work.
>>
>> I think you have a high powered imagination - why on earth would they
>> feel threatened? More likely your husband felt threatened.
>
> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>
> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert. Charlotte was
> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>
> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
> the same time.
>
> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
> didnt live on that side of life.
>

What a bunch of hooey. My dad used to take our laundry to the coin op when
we were camping or on vacation. No problems.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:43:23 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
>>>hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>>>
>>>He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>>>upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>>>and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert.
>
> W in the F??????????????
>
>>Charlotte was
>>>in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>>>doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
>>>could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
>>>during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
>>>the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>>>
>>>I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
>>>several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
>>>the same time.
>>>
>>>You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>>>wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>>>pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>>>didnt live on that side of life.
>>
>>I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
>>perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
>>it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
>>there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
>>washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>
> Carol's comment is one of the strangest things I've ever read in RFC.
> I mean that seriously. 21 years ago I was doing the g/f and toddler's
> laundry in a laundromat and of course, nobody noticed or acted strange
> because I did that. Why in the hell would they?? I'm really having
> trouble wrapping my head around that one.

That woman might have said something. And that woman might have been messed
up. But seriously... That was no a common thing.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/17/2016 9:56 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:43:23 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
>>>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>>>>
>>>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>>>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>>>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert.
>>
>> W in the F??????????????
>>
>>> Charlotte was
>>>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>>>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
>>>> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
>>>> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
>>>> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>>>>
>>>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
>>>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>>>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>>>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>>>> didnt live on that side of life.
>>>
>>> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
>>> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
>>> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
>>> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
>>> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>>
>> Carol's comment is one of the strangest things I've ever read in RFC.
>> I mean that seriously. 21 years ago I was doing the g/f and toddler's
>> laundry in a laundromat and of course, nobody noticed or acted strange
>> because I did that. Why in the hell would they?? I'm really having
>> trouble wrapping my head around that one.
>>
>
> She was in the military. If this was in a heavily military population I
> could see it happening.

I can't. My husband was in the military and we've been married for 21 years.
I never saw anything of the like.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:58 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 6/17/2016 9:56 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:43:23 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
>>>>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>>>>>
>>>>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>>>>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>>>>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert.
>>>
>>> W in the F??????????????
>>>
>>>> Charlotte was
>>>>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>>>>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
>>>>> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
>>>>> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing
>>>>> all
>>>>> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>>>>>
>>>>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
>>>>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>>>>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>>>>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>>>>> didnt live on that side of life.
>>>>
>>>> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
>>>> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
>>>> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
>>>> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
>>>> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>>>
>>> Carol's comment is one of the strangest things I've ever read in RFC.
>>> I mean that seriously. 21 years ago I was doing the g/f and toddler's
>>> laundry in a laundromat and of course, nobody noticed or acted strange
>>> because I did that. Why in the hell would they?? I'm really having
>>> trouble wrapping my head around that one.
>>>
>>
>>She was in the military. If this was in a heavily military population I
>>could see it happening.
>
> That could well explain the phenomenon. I'm not sure what that says
> about the military culture or societal aspects of the same though.

It says nothing. Might say something about the comment maker but I assure
you that isn't and wasn't the norm.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>> >
>> > In article >, says...
>> > >
>> > > Bruce wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > says...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "cshenk" wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Don and I decided one of us needed to be home when
>> > > > > > Charlotte was born and since I was active duty and he had
>> > > > > > just 'retired' and my income potential was higher, he
>> > > > > > stayed home. It was tough because the stay-at-home women
>> > > > > > felt threatened somehow to see a man do it with a small
>> > > > > > child while the wife went to work.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I think you have a high powered imagination - why on earth
>> > > > > would they feel threatened? More likely your husband felt
>> > > > > threatened.
>> > > >
>> > > > Is that you talking or that same old chip on your shoulder?
>> > >
>> > > I completely agree with lucretia here. I can't imagine why stay at
>> > > home women would feel threatened by a "Mr.Mom."
>> >
>> > You may not be able to imagine it, but that's the reality cshenk
>> > described. Imagine harder.
>>
>> cshenk is the one that needs to imagine harder. If stay-at-home women
>> felt threatened that a man would do that, they must worry that their
>> husbands might want to do the same and THEY might actually have to go
>> out each day for a workplace job.
>>
>> Stay at home is serious work and lots of work but you don't have to
>> deal with other people. Stay at home means you are your own boss. It
>> makes a difference. If you've never done it, you are clueless. I was
>> able to do both and I do know the difference.
>>
>> A stay at home man is often looked down upon as a lazy bum, letting
>> his wife go out each day to work.
>
> Thats what I am talking about Gary. No one calls a stay at hom Mom a
> lazy bum. A man however, especially 20 years ago, was in for some
> serious crap.

Yes they do. I have been called as such. Once you quit work and are not of
retirement age, some people call you a bum or a gold digger.

In article -
september.org>, says...
>
> > wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> >> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
> >> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
> >> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
> >> didnt live on that side of life.
> >
> > I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
> > perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
> > it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
> > there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
> > washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
> >
>
> Sounds to me like her husband felt inferior and self conscious.


I guess you've never seen a bunch of bitchy women acting like a pack of
hyenas. Oh wait, you have, you're in rfc

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/17/2016 4:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:16:34 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/17/2016 3:12 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 08:35:03 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think credit cards are better than debit cards about fraudulent
>>>>> charges.
>>>>> No experience to back that up, and hope I never have either!
>>>>
>>>> They're exactly the same in that regard.
>>>
>>> Not quite. With credit cards, you're not out the cash before
>>> it's straightened out.
>
>> But they do offer the same protection. I had an issue once and the
>> money was back in my account in less than 8 hours.
>
> From my perspective, from the time someone ripped you off and the
> time that the money was replaced is when credit card protection
> was Way better.
>
> nancy

I've heard several stories about the time it took to put the money back in
the account, including a fairly recent story in the newspaper. I have no
idea from personal experience, but I know the credit card is immediate, at
least in my experience with credit card fraud.

Cheri

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...

> Thats what I am talking about Gary. No one calls a stay at hom Mom a
> lazy bum. A man however, especially 20 years ago, was in for some
> serious crap.

Nah, maybe 50 years ago, but certainly not 20 years ago.

Cheri

In article >, says...
>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Thats what I am talking about Gary. No one calls a stay at hom Mom a
> > lazy bum. A man however, especially 20 years ago, was in for some
> > serious crap.
>
> Nah, maybe 50 years ago, but certainly not 20 years ago.

Maybe not in the modern, open-minded, progressive scene that you're
from.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 20:43:19 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/14/2016 10:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know why people/morons seem to assume that older women
>>>>>>>> never worked outside the home, Hell a lot of us worked outside
>>>>>>>> the home as well as doing most of the work at home after work.
>>>> At >> > > least these days the husbands, boyfriends etc., are helping
>>>> out a >> > > whole lot as a rule with the house and kids.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True on the younger ones helping more but plenty of the older
>>>>>>> generation men did too. They were however raised where the
>>>> mother >> > didnt generally work outside the home and it probably
>>>> seemed sane to >> > them to not think too much about how the floors
>>>> got mopped and such.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of eligible women participating in the workforce, in 1950 it was
>>>>>> about 27% while today it is almost 60%
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm suprised it is that low. It seems more like 80% now.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay at home moms was quite common when I was a kid, not so much
>>>> now. >> Lots of things have changed, but back then one person could
>>>> make >> enough money in a good job to support a family, buy a modest
>>>> house, >> one car. I'm not sure we progressed when we warehouse kids
>>>> in day >> care.
>>>>>
>>>>> We didn't really. Don and I decided one of us needed to be home
>>>>> when Charlotte was born and since I was active duty and he had just
>>>>> 'retired' and my income potential was higher, he stayed home. It was
>>>>> tough because the stay-at-home women felt threatened somehow to see
>>>>> a man do it with a small child while the wife went to work.
>>>>
>>>> I think you have a high powered imagination - why on earth would they
>>>> feel threatened? More likely your husband felt threatened.
>>>
>>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
>>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>>>
>>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert. Charlotte was
>>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
>>> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
>>> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
>>> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>>>
>>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
>>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>>> didnt live on that side of life.
>>
>> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
>> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
>> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
>> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
>> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>>
>
> Sounds to me like her husband felt inferior and self conscious.

That might be it too. When I was a kid/teen, I had a friend who was
convinced that others were staring at her. But try as I might, I could never
see what she thought she was seeing. She even went so far as to devise a
wardrobe that she thought would make her blend in and not stand out. First
it was a white blouse and navy blue jumper. For those in the UK, our jumpers
are not sweaters but a type of dress. She also wore navy blue Keds boat
shoes or in the winter, very plain boots. This was in the days when females
were required to wear dresses or skirts to school. She also had a navy blue
wool skirt and a navy blue sweater.
https://www.amazon.com/French-Toast-...eID=5422792011


By Jr. High, we could wear pants so she wore this one certain kind of plain
blue jeans, the same sort of Keds, and a very plain, solid colored top in
gray or navy. Navy blue coat. She also tried to sit very still so as not to
be noticed.

We lost track of each other for a long time and found each other again when
I was living in CA. I was amazed to see that she is now an art history
professor at a college in another state. I couldn't imagine her speaking in
front of a lot of people.

We are now friends on FB and she seems to be doing well and have gotten over
all of that nonsense. She'd had some other issues to like chronic hand
washing and anxiety that was so severe it was blamed for her stomach ulcers.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
T...
> In article -
> september.org>, says...
>>
>> > wrote:
>> > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>> >> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>> >> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>> >> didnt live on that side of life.
>> >
>> > I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
>> > perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
>> > it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
>> > there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
>> > washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>> >
>>
>> Sounds to me like her husband felt inferior and self conscious.
>
>
> I guess you've never seen a bunch of bitchy women acting like a pack of
> hyenas. Oh wait, you have, you're in rfc

I think this is why for a goodly portion of my life, most of my friends were
males. It isn't often that you see males acting like this. Unless you are
watching something like RuPaul's Drag Race.

Once I got married, most of my male friends went their own way. But if I am
at a party or some such event, I will still gravitate towards the males. I
have always had female friends as well but I would have to say that none of
us are the stereotypical females. There was a time when I was more into
fashion and wouldn't leave the house without doing my makeup and hair just
so.

But by the time I got the job at the golf course, I had totally stopped with
the makeup. I learned that it just doesn't do well with my skin or eyes.
Gave me rashes and infections. I was required to wear a polo shirt and jeans
or other casual pants or shorts to work. And most of the time I arrived with
wet hair. I no longer have to blow dry and style it. I have the right cut
now and it just air dries.

I do still wear nail polish and perfume all of the time. And I hate chipped
polish. I also went back to wearing dresses around the house at least in hot
weather. Just cooler that way.

Anyway... My female friends are all pretty much down to earth. Not a one of
them goes to fashion shows or wears fake nails. Although some do watch soap
operas and I just can't fathom that. We also do for ourselves and don't sit
around expecting a male to do certain things for us. Like put gas in the
car.

Please note that I hate to generalize and I am not saying that most women
are stereotypical but... There just seems to be something about a lot of
women that I simply can't relate to. It's not something I really can put my
finger on. I just know that I have always tended to gravitate towards the
males.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/17/2016 4:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:16:34 -0400, Nancy Young
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/17/2016 3:12 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 08:35:03 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think credit cards are better than debit cards about fraudulent
>>>>>> charges.
>>>>>> No experience to back that up, and hope I never have either!
>>>>>
>>>>> They're exactly the same in that regard.
>>>>
>>>> Not quite. With credit cards, you're not out the cash before
>>>> it's straightened out.
>>
>>> But they do offer the same protection. I had an issue once and the
>>> money was back in my account in less than 8 hours.
>>
>> From my perspective, from the time someone ripped you off and the
>> time that the money was replaced is when credit card protection
>> was Way better.
>>
>> nancy
>
> I've heard several stories about the time it took to put the money back in
> the account, including a fairly recent story in the newspaper. I have no
> idea from personal experience, but I know the credit card is immediate, at
> least in my experience with credit card fraud.

I have never had CC fraud. I have had it to my debit card. The last time was
fairly recent and my bank caught it. I suspect it was a skimmer on an ATM. I
saw a segment on the news saying that they are getting so good with the
skimmers, you won't be able to detect them.

It was a very easy thing to put it right. Went to the bank, signed paperwork
and waited. I think it was all put right in three days.

The time prior it took a bit longer as I had to fill out and send in the
paperwork myself. And to make matters worse, one of the businesses where the
scammer got a lot of merchandise, claimed that I had in fact authorized the
sale. It happened to be a store that sells only smaller sized clothing and
medium width shoes. I offered to send them pics of our feet and bodies. I
said while we liked the looks of their goods, we were all fat with wide feet
and we couldn't fit into their stuff. Not long after, they dropped their
claim. And not long after that, they were on the news with people claiming
they were discriminating by not selling larger sizes. Heh.

The bank said that these days fraud is so prevalent, it is everywhere. Even
with the best of precautions, it still can happen. And they have vastly
improved their ways of dealing with it.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Thats what I am talking about Gary. No one calls a stay at hom Mom a
>> lazy bum. A man however, especially 20 years ago, was in for some
>> serious crap.
>
> Nah, maybe 50 years ago, but certainly not 20 years ago.

I actually know a single dad whose daughter is a year younger than Angela.
He has raised his daughter since birth. I never asked what became of her
mother as he seems not to want to talk about it.

And when we lived in NY, we had neighbors whose mom had died. The boy was a
year older than Angela and the girl was old enough to babysit. Still, the
grandma came to live with them because the dad often had to leave town for
his job with the Coast Guard.

Theirs was an interesting story. The grandma had a very unusual name.
Willadean. She was from OK like my dad. She told me that adoption in those
days was pretty unheard of. She was so thankful for being adopted that she
decided she would adopt. And she did. The other son lives in Seattle and
they were very much hoping to get stationed here so they could be together
as a family again. But that didn't happen. I should imagine he would be
reaching retirement soon if he hasn't already. Perhaps he did come here.
Would be nice to see Willadean again. We did all sorts of crafts together
and she loved to cook.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:58 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/17/2016 9:56 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:43:23 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
>>>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>>>>
>>>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>>>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>>>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert.
>>
>> W in the F??????????????
>>
>>> Charlotte was
>>>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>>>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
>>>> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
>>>> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
>>>> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>>>>
>>>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
>>>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>>>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>>>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>>>> didnt live on that side of life.
>>>
>>> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
>>> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
>>> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
>>> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
>>> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>>
>> Carol's comment is one of the strangest things I've ever read in RFC.
>> I mean that seriously. 21 years ago I was doing the g/f and toddler's
>> laundry in a laundromat and of course, nobody noticed or acted strange
>> because I did that. Why in the hell would they?? I'm really having
>> trouble wrapping my head around that one.
>>
>
>She was in the military. If this was in a heavily military population I
>could see it happening.

That sounds even less likely since SHE was in the military, the
military was not by then comprised solely of men!

On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:44:47 -0500, jinx the minx
> wrote:

> wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 20:43:19 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/14/2016 10:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know why people/morons seem to assume that older women
>>>>>>>> never worked outside the home, Hell a lot of us worked outside
>>>>>>>> the home as well as doing most of the work at home after work.
>>>> At >> > > least these days the husbands, boyfriends etc., are helping
>>>> out a >> > > whole lot as a rule with the house and kids.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True on the younger ones helping more but plenty of the older
>>>>>>> generation men did too. They were however raised where the
>>>> mother >> > didnt generally work outside the home and it probably
>>>> seemed sane to >> > them to not think too much about how the floors
>>>> got mopped and such.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of eligible women participating in the workforce, in 1950 it was
>>>>>> about 27% while today it is almost 60%
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm suprised it is that low. It seems more like 80% now.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay at home moms was quite common when I was a kid, not so much
>>>> now. >> Lots of things have changed, but back then one person could
>>>> make >> enough money in a good job to support a family, buy a modest
>>>> house, >> one car. I'm not sure we progressed when we warehouse kids
>>>> in day >> care.
>>>>>
>>>>> We didn't really. Don and I decided one of us needed to be home
>>>>> when Charlotte was born and since I was active duty and he had just
>>>>> 'retired' and my income potential was higher, he stayed home. It was
>>>>> tough because the stay-at-home women felt threatened somehow to see
>>>>> a man do it with a small child while the wife went to work.
>>>>
>>>> I think you have a high powered imagination - why on earth would they
>>>> feel threatened? More likely your husband felt threatened.
>>>
>>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
>>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>>>
>>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert. Charlotte was
>>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
>>> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
>>> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
>>> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>>>
>>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
>>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>>> didnt live on that side of life.
>>
>> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
>> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
>> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
>> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
>> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>>
>
>Sounds to me like her husband felt inferior and self conscious.

Or perhaps couldn't take some ribbing?

In article >,
says...
>
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:44:47 -0500, jinx the minx
> > wrote:
>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
> >> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
> >> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
> >> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
> >> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
> >>
> >
> >Sounds to me like her husband felt inferior and self conscious.
>
> Or perhaps couldn't take some ribbing?

Definition of rib
ribbed ribbing

transitive verb

to poke fun at

(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rib)

On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 08:23:30 -0300, wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:58 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 6/17/2016 9:56 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:43:23 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
>>>>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>>>>>
>>>>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>>>>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>>>>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert.
>>>
>>> W in the F??????????????
>>>
>>>> Charlotte was
>>>>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>>>>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
>>>>> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
>>>>> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
>>>>> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>>>>>
>>>>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
>>>>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>>>>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>>>>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>>>>> didnt live on that side of life.
>>>>
>>>> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
>>>> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
>>>> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
>>>> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
>>>> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>>>
>>> Carol's comment is one of the strangest things I've ever read in RFC.
>>> I mean that seriously. 21 years ago I was doing the g/f and toddler's
>>> laundry in a laundromat and of course, nobody noticed or acted strange
>>> because I did that. Why in the hell would they?? I'm really having
>>> trouble wrapping my head around that one.
>>>
>>
>>She was in the military. If this was in a heavily military population I
>>could see it happening.
>
>That sounds even less likely since SHE was in the military, the
>military was not by then comprised solely of men!

Does not matter who was in or not. It matters the macho attitude of
those living there. Sometimes a particular small town or even a
particular apartment complex can have an over abundance of a
particular attitude.

lucretiaborgia wrote:
>
> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!

I don't have a sewer mind, but I'd still be checking out your bras.

On 6/18/2016 12:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>

>>
>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert. Charlotte was
>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments.
>>
>
> What a bunch of hooey. My dad used to take our laundry to the coin op
> when we were camping or on vacation. No problems.

OK, your one example negates the other one example. Therefor, neither
happened.

On 6/16/2016 8:42 AM, g8dgc wrote:
> On 6/14/2016 1:54 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:05:13 PM UTC-5, Colonel Edmund J.
>> Burke wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2016 5:10 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
>>>> On 6/13/2016 9:05 PM, Idlehands wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-06-13 8:42 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
>>>>>> Being a full bird Colonel with exemplary credit has its privileges.
>>>>>> Discuss...........
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're a ****ing idiot with delusions of grandeur while posing as a
>>>>> Vietnam vet.
>>>>>
>>>> You momma gimme good head, little feller.
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>
>>> The dividing line falls at 799. Anything above is "exemplary" credit.
>>> That's me and not U.
>>> LOL
>>
>> And WHAT precisely does an "exemplary" credit rating get you? Besides
>> specious bragging rights?
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
> You momma gimme good head.

How many French dicks can John Kuthe cram into his mouth?

On 6/17/2016 8:18 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:12:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> One of the best pieces of advice I have received is to click on the
>>> official looking links and see if it takes you to the real company. They
>>> are usually null links.
>>
>> Never do that! You can hover your mouse over it and see what it says or
>> check the properties. You can also go to what you know is the official site.
>
> Agree, the latter being the safest option.

Clicking on random links is a great way to pick up malware,
ransomware, whatever.

nancy

Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert. Charlotte was
>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments.
>>
> What a bunch of hooey. My dad used to take our laundry to the coin op
> when we were camping or on vacation. No problems.

There were several years when my daughter was born that I did all the
laundry at a laundromat, and before that at an appartment building
facility, no one ever said anything, I've always taken care of all the
laundry and still. I don't mind doing laundry (actually the machine
does it), with me doing it the washer and dryer last forever and no
sceptic system problems. The washer and dryer are both well over 25
years old and neither ever needed service except for the time I
vacuumed out the dryer lint trap and the little brush attachment fell
into works. I wasn't sure how much of the machine to take apart so I
called the local appliance store, the tech knew exactly how to access
that area, only took him ten minutes. Right after that is when I
heeded the tech's advice and bought the dryer vent cleaning kit, works
very well, Amazon had the best price, Lowe's wanted twice as much for
the exact same kit... the tech said most people never clean the lint
trap vent, it clogs and wastes money as it can take twice as long to
dry laundry, plus prevents horrid lint fires. He also said to never
leave home or go to bed with the dryer running... same with the
washer, always shut the fill valves when not in use:
https://www.amazon.com/Gardus-RLE202...+kit+for+drill

In article >,
says...
>
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 20:43:19 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >
> >> >> On 6/14/2016 10:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > > I don't know why people/morons seem to assume that older women
> >> >> > > never worked outside the home, Hell a lot of us worked outside
> >> >> > > the home as well as doing most of the work at home after work.
> >> At >> > > least these days the husbands, boyfriends etc., are helping
> >> out a >> > > whole lot as a rule with the house and kids.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Cheri
> >> >> >
> >> >> > True on the younger ones helping more but plenty of the older
> >> >> > generation men did too. They were however raised where the
> >> mother >> > didnt generally work outside the home and it probably
> >> seemed sane to >> > them to not think too much about how the floors
> >> got mopped and such.
> >> >
> >> >> Of eligible women participating in the workforce, in 1950 it was
> >> >> about 27% while today it is almost 60%
> >> >
> >> > I'm suprised it is that low. It seems more like 80% now.
> >> >
> >> >> Stay at home moms was quite common when I was a kid, not so much
> >> now. >> Lots of things have changed, but back then one person could
> >> make >> enough money in a good job to support a family, buy a modest
> >> house, >> one car. I'm not sure we progressed when we warehouse kids
> >> in day >> care.
> >> >
> >> > We didn't really. Don and I decided one of us needed to be home
> >> > when Charlotte was born and since I was active duty and he had just
> >> > 'retired' and my income potential was higher, he stayed home. It was
> >> > tough because the stay-at-home women felt threatened somehow to see
> >> > a man do it with a small child while the wife went to work.
> >>
> >> I think you have a high powered imagination - why on earth would they
> >> feel threatened? More likely your husband felt threatened.
> >
> >No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
> >hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
> >
> >He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
> >upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
> >and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert. Charlotte was
> >in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
> >doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
> >could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
> >during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
> >the families stuff while watching a toddler.
> >
> >I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
> >several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
> >the same time.
> >
> >You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
> >wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
> >pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
> >didnt live on that side of life.
>
> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!

+1.

FIFTY years ago before we were married we took turns to take all our
laundry to a public launderette, sort both our dirty laundry into heaps
for the kind of wash required, fill the machines, move wet clean stuff
to the dryer, take it from the dryer and fold and sort it back into his
and hers, all on public view. He must have done that scores of times.

It never occurred to anyone to notice or care who was washing what.

Janet UK

> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:44:47 -0500, jinx the minx
> > wrote:
>
>> > wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 20:43:19 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/14/2016 10:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know why people/morons seem to assume that older women
>>>>>>>>> never worked outside the home, Hell a lot of us worked outside
>>>>>>>>> the home as well as doing most of the work at home after work.
>>>>> At >> > > least these days the husbands, boyfriends etc., are helping
>>>>> out a >> > > whole lot as a rule with the house and kids.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True on the younger ones helping more but plenty of the older
>>>>>>>> generation men did too. They were however raised where the
>>>>> mother >> > didnt generally work outside the home and it probably
>>>>> seemed sane to >> > them to not think too much about how the floors
>>>>> got mopped and such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of eligible women participating in the workforce, in 1950 it was
>>>>>>> about 27% while today it is almost 60%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm suprised it is that low. It seems more like 80% now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stay at home moms was quite common when I was a kid, not so much
>>>>> now. >> Lots of things have changed, but back then one person could
>>>>> make >> enough money in a good job to support a family, buy a modest
>>>>> house, >> one car. I'm not sure we progressed when we warehouse kids
>>>>> in day >> care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We didn't really. Don and I decided one of us needed to be home
>>>>>> when Charlotte was born and since I was active duty and he had just
>>>>>> 'retired' and my income potential was higher, he stayed home. It was
>>>>>> tough because the stay-at-home women felt threatened somehow to see
>>>>>> a man do it with a small child while the wife went to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you have a high powered imagination - why on earth would they
>>>>> feel threatened? More likely your husband felt threatened.
>>>>
>>>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
>>>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
>>>>
>>>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
>>>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
>>>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert. Charlotte was
>>>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
>>>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
>>>> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
>>>> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
>>>> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
>>>>
>>>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
>>>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
>>>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
>>>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
>>>> didnt live on that side of life.
>>>
>>> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
>>> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
>>> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
>>> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
>>> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
>>>
>>
>> Sounds to me like her husband felt inferior and self conscious.
>
> Or perhaps couldn't take some ribbing?
>

No doubt. But the women feeling threatened?? Gimme a break.

--
jinx the minx

Bruce wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:44:47 -0500, jinx the minx
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
> > >> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
> > >> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
> > >> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
> > >> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
> > >>
> > >
> > >Sounds to me like her husband felt inferior and self conscious.
> >
> > Or perhaps couldn't take some ribbing?
>
> Definition of rib
> ribbed ribbing
>
> transitive verb
>
> to poke fun at
>
> (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rib)

Wow. Aren't you the saviour here with your definition. lol

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 08:23:30 -0300, wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:58 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >>On 6/17/2016 9:56 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:43:23 -0300, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >>>>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could not
> >>>>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd get
> >>>>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's baby clothes
> >>>>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of pervert.
> >>>
> >>> W in the F??????????????
> >>>
> >>>> Charlotte was
> >>>>> in a stroller at his side as they did the laundry. Reverse it, lady
> >>>>> doing her husband's underthings. All normal and no comments. They
> >>>>> could handle a guy doing his own laundry but got snarky if it was
> >>>>> during the week. They could not handle a guy during the week doing all
> >>>>> the families stuff while watching a toddler.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
> >>>>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry at
> >>>>> the same time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing his
> >>>>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a less than
> >>>>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then you simply
> >>>>> didnt live on that side of life.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
> >>>> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
> >>>> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
> >>>> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
> >>>> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
> >>>
> >>> Carol's comment is one of the strangest things I've ever read in RFC.
> >>> I mean that seriously. 21 years ago I was doing the g/f and toddler's
> >>> laundry in a laundromat and of course, nobody noticed or acted strange
> >>> because I did that. Why in the hell would they?? I'm really having
> >>> trouble wrapping my head around that one.
> >>>
> >>
> >>She was in the military. If this was in a heavily military population I
> >>could see it happening.
> >
> >That sounds even less likely since SHE was in the military, the
> >military was not by then comprised solely of men!
>
> Does not matter who was in or not. It matters the macho attitude of
> those living there. Sometimes a particular small town or even a
> particular apartment complex can have an over abundance of a
> particular attitude.

Yes. Husband staying at home many years ago would have been frowned
upon. People would think he is a lazy bum without knowing any details
of the situation. Rumors fly and are rarely the truth of the
situation.

In article >, says...
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:44:47 -0500, jinx the minx
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
> > > >> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of doubt
> > > >> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else is in
> > > >> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes they are
> > > >> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Sounds to me like her husband felt inferior and self conscious.
> > >
> > > Or perhaps couldn't take some ribbing?
> >
> > Definition of rib
> > ribbed ribbing
> >
> > transitive verb
> >
> > to poke fun at
> >
> > (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rib)
>
> Wow. Aren't you the saviour here with your definition. lol

Yes, learn something new every day.

On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 01:16:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:06:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>>can only control what I do. Not what others do.
>>
>> If your partner and yourself do not communicate very well, even on
>> basic stuff like this, why not have separate accounts? Then you can
>> keep track of your own balance and spending.
>>
>> No to whatever reason you couldn't do that... because you COULD
>> actually do that.
>
>As I said... I think I have nipped this in the bud. You can make of this
>what you will. I choose not to expound on this because we all know what will
>happen to me here if I do. K?

K

On 2016-06-18 2:56 PM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>

>
> Yes. Husband staying at home many years ago would have been frowned
> upon. People would think he is a lazy bum without knowing any details
> of the situation. Rumors fly and are rarely the truth of the
> situation.


Yep indeed. I graduated from university in 1974. It took a while to
find a job and the pressure was on for me to be gainfully employed. At
the same time female graduates had the option to work or be a
"housewife", which later evolved into "not working outside of the house"
and no one thought any the less of the women for staying home.

My former neighbour was a jack of all trades and his wife was a family
councilor who made really good money. After he got hurt a few too many
times she wanted him to retire, though he was only 55. She went out and
made money and spent it on materials for home projects, and he stayed
home and worked on the house. He redid the bathrooms, the granny suite,
the kitchen, moved a set of stairs, rebuild an anglestone retaining
wall, installed hardwood flooring, turned an outdoor veranda into a a
Florida room and then into a real room. He did really good work. The
sold the house and moved about a year and a half ago, bought a fixer
upper and fixed it up and sold it for a profit, and now he is working on
their dream house. I heard a few people comment on his lack of
employment and the suggestion that he was lazy, but he was always busy,
and they had no shortage of money.

On 2016-06-18 4:48 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/18/2016 10:14 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
by companies in my field. Holy smokes!
>>
>> Oh well. I might as well add something vacuous to this never ending
>> thread!!
>>
>> BooYAH!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>
> You're quite adept at it. Thanks for showing how it's done!
>
Yes, he certainly is. Adding a stupid to a comment to a thread he has
issues with is the sort of thing that landed him a permanent place in my
bozo bin years ago.

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:44:47 -0500, jinx the minx
> > wrote:
>
> > wrote:
> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:12:18 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>
> >>> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 20:43:19 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>>>
> >>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6/14/2016 10:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't know why people/morons seem to assume that older
> women >>>>>>>> never worked outside the home, Hell a lot of us worked
> outside >>>>>>>> the home as well as doing most of the work at home
> after work. >>>> At >> > > least these days the husbands, boyfriends
> etc., are helping >>>> out a >> > > whole lot as a rule with the
> house and kids. >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheri
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> True on the younger ones helping more but plenty of the older
> >>>>>>> generation men did too. They were however raised where the
> >>>> mother >> > didnt generally work outside the home and it probably
> >>>> seemed sane to >> > them to not think too much about how the
> floors >>>> got mopped and such.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Of eligible women participating in the workforce, in 1950 it
> was >>>>>> about 27% while today it is almost 60%
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm suprised it is that low. It seems more like 80% now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Stay at home moms was quite common when I was a kid, not so
> much >>>> now. >> Lots of things have changed, but back then one
> person could >>>> make >> enough money in a good job to support a
> family, buy a modest >>>> house, >> one car. I'm not sure we
> progressed when we warehouse kids >>>> in day >> care.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We didn't really. Don and I decided one of us needed to be home
> >>>>> when Charlotte was born and since I was active duty and he had
> just >>>>> 'retired' and my income potential was higher, he stayed
> home. It was >>>>> tough because the stay-at-home women felt
> threatened somehow to see >>>>> a man do it with a small child while
> the wife went to work. >>>>
> >>>> I think you have a high powered imagination - why on earth would
> they >>>> feel threatened? More likely your husband felt threatened.
> >>>
> >>> No, it was there, prejudice clear and simple and women who could
> not >>> hndle a man as a stay at home parent.
> >>>
> >>> He'd do the laundry in the complex and there were several who'd
> get >>> upset that he was washing my under things and Charlotte's
> baby clothes >>> and *loudly 'whisper'* that he was some sort of
> pervert. Charlotte was >>> in a stroller at his side as they did the
> laundry. Reverse it, lady >>> doing her husband's underthings. All
> normal and no comments. They >>> could handle a guy doing his own
> laundry but got snarky if it was >>> during the week. They could not
> handle a guy during the week doing all >>> the families stuff while
> watching a toddler. >>>
> >>> I went down and confronted them once but it didnt get better until
> >>> several other guys picked a time and showed up enmass for laundry
> at >>> the same time.
> >>>
> >>> You can pretend what you wish, but 2 decades ago, a man washing
> his >>> wife and kids laundry in a public complex, could be in for a
> less than >>> pleasing environment. If you are unaware of that, then
> you simply >>> didnt live on that side of life.
> >>
> >> I am not pretending anything - clearly you Americans must have
> >> perverted minds if that is how people saw it, though I kind of
> doubt >> it. I go in the laundry room here and even if someone else
> is in >> there at the same time as me, I am NOT watching what clothes
> they are >> washing. Jesus Christ - what a sewer mind you have!
> >>
> >
> > Sounds to me like her husband felt inferior and self conscious.
>
> Or perhaps couldn't take some ribbing?

Here it goes again. It's abuse if sent to a woman, but just a little
ribbing if sent to a man. Have you bothered to read yourself?


--

Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Thats what I am talking about Gary. No one calls a stay at hom Mom
> > a lazy bum. A man however, especially 20 years ago, was in for some
> > serious crap.
>
> Nah, maybe 50 years ago, but certainly not 20 years ago.
>
> Cheri

What microcosm area did you live in?

--

"Colonel Edmund J. Burke" wrote in message
...

On 6/16/2016 8:42 AM, g8dgc wrote:
> On 6/14/2016 1:54 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:05:13 PM UTC-5, Colonel Edmund J.
>> Burke wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2016 5:10 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
>>>> On 6/13/2016 9:05 PM, Idlehands wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-06-13 8:42 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
>>>>>> Being a full bird Colonel with exemplary credit has its privileges.
>>>>>> Discuss...........
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're a ****ing idiot with delusions of grandeur while posing as a
>>>>> Vietnam vet.
>>>>>
>>>> You momma gimme good head, little feller.
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>
>>> The dividing line falls at 799. Anything above is "exemplary" credit.
>>> That's me and not U.
>>> LOL
>>
>> And WHAT precisely does an "exemplary" credit rating get you? Besides
>> specious bragging rights?
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
> You momma gimme good head.

How many French dicks can John Kuthe cram into his mouth?

there is one here for that

On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:27:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > Thats what I am talking about Gary. No one calls a stay at hom Mom
>> > a lazy bum. A man however, especially 20 years ago, was in for some
>> > serious crap.
>>
>> Nah, maybe 50 years ago, but certainly not 20 years ago.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>What microcosm area did you live in?

She doesn't, I could apply it to my area too. You seem to be quoting
some weird military situation not applicable to civvy street.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:27:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >>
> >> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> > Thats what I am talking about Gary. No one calls a stay at hom Mom
> >> > a lazy bum. A man however, especially 20 years ago, was in for some
> >> > serious crap.
> >>
> >> Nah, maybe 50 years ago, but certainly not 20 years ago.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> >What microcosm area did you live in?
>
> She doesn't, I could apply it to my area too. You seem to be quoting
> some weird military situation not applicable to civvy street.

Sometimes people have experiences that you've never had. You must have
noticed that before. If those experiences don't fit your agenda, that's
tough luck. Update your agenda.

On 6/17/2016 6:46 PM, graham wrote:
>
> That's the worst piece of advice! Never click on anything where there is
> *any* doubt as to its origin!
> Graham

Yeah, that's just plain stupid advice.

Jill