On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 07:08:07 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:


>
>Trump can only be bad. The only question would be just how bad. The
>U.S desperately needs a maverick leader (ie, one not part of the
>corporate program), but Trump sure isn't the answer. Of course, he
>only got to where he is through his wealth funding his media campaign.
>Imagine if he was just a nobody... no one would give him the time of
>day.

He is a dangerous wild card - the whole scenario currently makes me
think of a Chinese expression, 'may you live in interesting times' -
we are I think but the expression is not suggesting they will be nice
times

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 18:22:53 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 07:08:07 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>Trump can only be bad. The only question would be just how bad. The
>>U.S desperately needs a maverick leader (ie, one not part of the
>>corporate program), but Trump sure isn't the answer. Of course, he
>>only got to where he is through his wealth funding his media campaign.
>>Imagine if he was just a nobody... no one would give him the time of
>>day.
>
>He is a dangerous wild card - the whole scenario currently makes me
>think of a Chinese expression, 'may you live in interesting times' -
>we are I think but the expression is not suggesting they will be nice
>times

Certainly the most dangerous wild card (in a western country at least)
in my lifetime. By a long way. That said, I really can't see how he
could possibly get many of his lunatic ideas implemented, even if he
did become Prez.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 09:28:27 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 18:22:53 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 07:08:07 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>Trump can only be bad. The only question would be just how bad. The
>>>U.S desperately needs a maverick leader (ie, one not part of the
>>>corporate program), but Trump sure isn't the answer. Of course, he
>>>only got to where he is through his wealth funding his media campaign.
>>>Imagine if he was just a nobody... no one would give him the time of
>>>day.
>>
>>He is a dangerous wild card - the whole scenario currently makes me
>>think of a Chinese expression, 'may you live in interesting times' -
>>we are I think but the expression is not suggesting they will be nice
>>times
>
>Certainly the most dangerous wild card (in a western country at least)
>in my lifetime. By a long way. That said, I really can't see how he
>could possibly get many of his lunatic ideas implemented, even if he
>did become Prez.

Well for starters, if you are Prez (or any country leader) first thing
you must learn to do is hold your tongue - he's incapable of that.
Diplomacy is there to avoid worse types of disputes.

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 21:34:52 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 09:28:27 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 18:22:53 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 07:08:07 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Trump can only be bad. The only question would be just how bad. The
>>>>U.S desperately needs a maverick leader (ie, one not part of the
>>>>corporate program), but Trump sure isn't the answer. Of course, he
>>>>only got to where he is through his wealth funding his media campaign.
>>>>Imagine if he was just a nobody... no one would give him the time of
>>>>day.
>>>
>>>He is a dangerous wild card - the whole scenario currently makes me
>>>think of a Chinese expression, 'may you live in interesting times' -
>>>we are I think but the expression is not suggesting they will be nice
>>>times
>>
>>Certainly the most dangerous wild card (in a western country at least)
>>in my lifetime. By a long way. That said, I really can't see how he
>>could possibly get many of his lunatic ideas implemented, even if he
>>did become Prez.
>
>Well for starters, if you are Prez (or any country leader) first thing
>you must learn to do is hold your tongue - he's incapable of that.
>Diplomacy is there to avoid worse types of disputes.

Yes, it's not domestic U.S politics that concerns me the most, it's
foreign relations that's a real worry. You could hardly come up with a
more unsuited person for the role, imagine other nations trying to
engage with that peanut...

Anyway, I've said all along that I expect the democrats to win this
election and my opinion hasn't changed on that score.

On 6/25/2016 8:34 PM, wrote:

>
> Well for starters, if you are Prez (or any country leader) first thing
> you must learn to do is hold your tongue - he's incapable of that.
> Diplomacy is there to avoid worse types of disputes.
>

That is also what got him so many supporters. Our society has become
so PC it is difficult to say anything without offending a bunch of people.

If the job of President had a 90 day trial period I'd vote for Trump.
Scary to put him in for 4 years, but so is voting for Hillary.

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 23:48:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/25/2016 8:34 PM, wrote:
>
>> Well for starters, if you are Prez (or any country leader) first thing
>> you must learn to do is hold your tongue - he's incapable of that.
>> Diplomacy is there to avoid worse types of disputes.
>>
>That is also what got him so many supporters. Our society has become
>so PC it is difficult to say anything without offending a bunch of people.

That's very true, but Trump doesn't fall into that category IMO. He's
not PC and he's also not non-PC. He's just an imbecile who got this
far purely because he's wealthy (in spite of his poor decisions over
the years) and could afford to run for office.

Basically, we are witnessing the ultimate culmination of unrestrained
capitalism at play here. That political paradigm is close to running
it's course at this point. Whether outright fascism or something new
replaces it, we will have to wait and see.

>If the job of President had a 90 day trial period I'd vote for Trump.
>Scary to put him in for 4 years, but so is voting for Hillary.

At least with Hillary, you know what to expect. And I'm certainly no
fan of hers.

In article >, Ed
Pawlowski > wrote:

> If the job of President had a 90 day trial period I'd vote for Trump.
> Scary to put him in for 4 years, but so is voting for Hillary.

Although used all the time in the American news cycle by nearly every
talking head, "U.S. led coalition" is a oxymoron. If you're comfortable
with that, vote Hillary.

leo

Trump worries me most because he is so secretive. Tax returns? It is apparently
nobody's business. Foreign policy? He wants to be unpredictable, but he likes
war even with nukes (his own words). VP running mate? He has a list but won't
reveal it pre-convention. Policy statements? He hasn't made any substantive
statements, only vague sound bites (I will create so many jobs!).

This and more brings up the question, what is he hiding?

N.

Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Trump worries me most because he is so secretive. Tax returns? It is apparently
> nobody's business. Foreign policy? He wants to be unpredictable, but he likes
> war even with nukes (his own words). VP running mate? He has a list but won't
> reveal it pre-convention. Policy statements? He hasn't made any substantive
> statements, only vague sound bites (I will create so many jobs!).
>
> This and more brings up the question, what is he hiding?
>
> N.

I keep up with things somewhat during the primary season but why waste
time on candidates that will eventually drop out? Once the 2 conventions
both make their choices, that's when I do lots of research on the two
main candidates.

I see loose cannon vs broken cannon. I like Ed's idea of a 90 day trial
run. As of now, I'll go for a 4-year trial run with the Donald. Time to
shake things up in Washington. We should all vote for a completely
different Congress too, Democrat and Republican. Get rid of the "good ol
boys." Politics was never originally intended to be a career job.

These long time Pubs bitching about Trump? Seriously? Pubs support big
business and Trump is just that. (and so are most of them). Some of them
will vote for Hillary just because they hate Trump? Their choice but it
shows how loyal to the party they are. Vote them all out. Time for a
clean sweep and let's see what happens. I'm tired of the same ol same ol
nonsense time after time.

I'm willing to take a chance on a whole new situation. Non-usains here
that fear Trump? That again tells me that we should elect him.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 09:54:06 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>> Trump worries me most because he is so secretive. Tax returns? It is apparently
>> nobody's business. Foreign policy? He wants to be unpredictable, but he likes
>> war even with nukes (his own words). VP running mate? He has a list but won't
>> reveal it pre-convention. Policy statements? He hasn't made any substantive
>> statements, only vague sound bites (I will create so many jobs!).
>>
>> This and more brings up the question, what is he hiding?
>>
>> N.
>
>I keep up with things somewhat during the primary season but why waste
>time on candidates that will eventually drop out? Once the 2 conventions
>both make their choices, that's when I do lots of research on the two
>main candidates.
>
>I see loose cannon vs broken cannon. I like Ed's idea of a 90 day trial
>run. As of now, I'll go for a 4-year trial run with the Donald. Time to
>shake things up in Washington. We should all vote for a completely
>different Congress too, Democrat and Republican. Get rid of the "good ol
>boys." Politics was never originally intended to be a career job.
>
>These long time Pubs bitching about Trump? Seriously? Pubs support big
>business and Trump is just that. (and so are most of them). Some of them
>will vote for Hillary just because they hate Trump? Their choice but it
>shows how loyal to the party they are. Vote them all out. Time for a
>clean sweep and let's see what happens. I'm tired of the same ol same ol
>nonsense time after time.
>
>I'm willing to take a chance on a whole new situation. Non-usains here
>that fear Trump? That again tells me that we should elect him.

Really? You realise we 'fear' his finger on the red button ?

Gary, the problem with your scenario of "throw them all out," is that has been the feeling
among many voters for the past two presidential elections....all that happens is that we
get a new crop of corruptible pandering pols.

N.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 12:09:17 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 09:54:06 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Nancy2 wrote:
>>>
>>> Trump worries me most because he is so secretive. Tax returns? It is apparently
>>> nobody's business. Foreign policy? He wants to be unpredictable, but he likes
>>> war even with nukes (his own words). VP running mate? He has a list but won't
>>> reveal it pre-convention. Policy statements? He hasn't made any substantive
>>> statements, only vague sound bites (I will create so many jobs!).
>>>
>>> This and more brings up the question, what is he hiding?
>>>
>>> N.
>>
>>I keep up with things somewhat during the primary season but why waste
>>time on candidates that will eventually drop out? Once the 2 conventions
>>both make their choices, that's when I do lots of research on the two
>>main candidates.
>>
>>I see loose cannon vs broken cannon. I like Ed's idea of a 90 day trial
>>run. As of now, I'll go for a 4-year trial run with the Donald. Time to
>>shake things up in Washington. We should all vote for a completely
>>different Congress too, Democrat and Republican. Get rid of the "good ol
>>boys." Politics was never originally intended to be a career job.
>>
>>These long time Pubs bitching about Trump? Seriously? Pubs support big
>>business and Trump is just that. (and so are most of them). Some of them
>>will vote for Hillary just because they hate Trump? Their choice but it
>>shows how loyal to the party they are. Vote them all out. Time for a
>>clean sweep and let's see what happens. I'm tired of the same ol same ol
>>nonsense time after time.
>>
>>I'm willing to take a chance on a whole new situation. Non-usains here
>>that fear Trump? That again tells me that we should elect him.
>
>Really? You realise we 'fear' his finger on the red button ?

Trump has already said he'd like to use nukes on some brown people...

Gary's a ****ing moron and doesn't realise the consequences of that
sort of stupidity. This theme of wanting the world to fear the US is
something he's brought up many times. He's like a poster child for
what the ROTW view as the stereotypical ugly American.

On 2016-06-26 4:34 PM, Je�us wrote:
Trump has already said he'd like to use nukes on some brown people...
>
> Gary's a ****ing moron and doesn't realise the consequences of that
> sort of stupidity. This theme of wanting the world to fear the US is
> something he's brought up many times. He's like a poster child for
> what the ROTW view as the stereotypical ugly American.
>


I heard an old comedy bit this afternoon. An American comedian was
talking about the British and their attitude about Americans and how
heckler one once asked what the Americans had done for them. He said if
it wasn't for the US the guy would have been heckling in German. That
would indicate a lack of understanding of history on the part of one of
them. Germany had planned to invade England. They started with the
Battle of Britain with the aim of annihilating the RAF to achieve air
superiority. The British won that one and thwarted the invasion attempt.
By that time they had already been fighting Germany for two years, and
the Americans had not yet come into the fight. Apparently, the British
not speaking German had nothing at all to do with the Americans.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 18:18:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-06-26 4:34 PM, Je?us wrote:
> Trump has already said he'd like to use nukes on some brown people...
>>
>> Gary's a ****ing moron and doesn't realise the consequences of that
>> sort of stupidity. This theme of wanting the world to fear the US is
>> something he's brought up many times. He's like a poster child for
>> what the ROTW view as the stereotypical ugly American.
>>
>
>
>I heard an old comedy bit this afternoon. An American comedian was
>talking about the British and their attitude about Americans and how
>heckler one once asked what the Americans had done for them. He said if
>it wasn't for the US the guy would have been heckling in German. That
>would indicate a lack of understanding of history on the part of one of
>them. Germany had planned to invade England. They started with the
>Battle of Britain with the aim of annihilating the RAF to achieve air
>superiority. The British won that one and thwarted the invasion attempt.
> By that time they had already been fighting Germany for two years, and
>the Americans had not yet come into the fight. Apparently, the British
>not speaking German had nothing at all to do with the Americans.

Of course, but when did facts ever form part of their (being that type
of person) fanciful version of history.

BTW... found Gary's latest selfie online:
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...479/morans.jpg

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 18:18:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-06-26 4:34 PM, Je?us wrote:
> Trump has already said he'd like to use nukes on some brown people...
>>
>> Gary's a ****ing moron and doesn't realise the consequences of that
>> sort of stupidity. This theme of wanting the world to fear the US is
>> something he's brought up many times. He's like a poster child for
>> what the ROTW view as the stereotypical ugly American.
>>
>
>
>I heard an old comedy bit this afternoon. An American comedian was
>talking about the British and their attitude about Americans and how
>heckler one once asked what the Americans had done for them. He said if
>it wasn't for the US the guy would have been heckling in German. That
>would indicate a lack of understanding of history on the part of one of
>them. Germany had planned to invade England. They started with the
>Battle of Britain with the aim of annihilating the RAF to achieve air
>superiority. The British won that one and thwarted the invasion attempt.
> By that time they had already been fighting Germany for two years, and
>the Americans had not yet come into the fight. Apparently, the British
>not speaking German had nothing at all to do with the Americans.


No, no, say it can't be true ! Hollywood has always said that WWII
was only won because America rode in on its horse.

In article >, says...
>
> I'm willing to take a chance on a whole new situation. Non-usains here
> that fear Trump? That again tells me that we should elect him.

Non-usaians here are Canadians, Europeans and Australians. Why would you
want to scare them? They're your allies.

> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 18:18:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2016-06-26 4:34 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> Trump has already said he'd like to use nukes on some brown people...
>>>
>>> Gary's a ****ing moron and doesn't realise the consequences of that
>>> sort of stupidity. This theme of wanting the world to fear the US is
>>> something he's brought up many times. He's like a poster child for
>>> what the ROTW view as the stereotypical ugly American.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I heard an old comedy bit this afternoon. An American comedian was
>>talking about the British and their attitude about Americans and how
>>heckler one once asked what the Americans had done for them. He said if
>>it wasn't for the US the guy would have been heckling in German. That
>>would indicate a lack of understanding of history on the part of one of
>>them. Germany had planned to invade England. They started with the
>>Battle of Britain with the aim of annihilating the RAF to achieve air
>>superiority. The British won that one and thwarted the invasion attempt.
>> By that time they had already been fighting Germany for two years, and
>>the Americans had not yet come into the fight. Apparently, the British
>>not speaking German had nothing at all to do with the Americans.
>
>
> No, no, say it can't be true ! Hollywood has always said that WWII
> was only won because America rode in on its horse.

I've heard that from posters here too



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"Jeßus" wrote:
>
> Gary's a ****ing moron and doesn't realise the consequences of that
> sort of stupidity. This theme of wanting the world to fear the US is
> something he's brought up many times. He's like a poster child for
> what the ROTW view as the stereotypical ugly American.

And YOU are a pot-smoking, name-calling sheepherder living in the
mountains of Tasmania so concerned and critical of other countries
politics. You have the world's freshest air there and you also have the
most ignored world politics opinion. No one but you cares what you
think.

Have a g'day.

"Jeßus" wrote:
>
> BTW... found Gary's latest selfie online:
> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...479/morans.jpg

LOL! I actually do know people like that. Got to wonder if that was
real
or just a faked pic. Lots of still pre-civil war racist "good ol boys"
here too. Funny.

Anyway...right back at ya. A pic that was probably taken in Tasmania and
specifically meant for you. heheh

http://i63.tinypic.com/29c6wdv.jpg

Bruce wrote:
>
> In article >, says...
> >
> > I'm willing to take a chance on a whole new situation. Non-usains here
> > that fear Trump? That again tells me that we should elect him.
>
> Non-usaians here are Canadians, Europeans and Australians. Why would you
> want to scare them? They're your allies.

We don't scare our allied countries. Just a small handfull of the RFC
foreigners trying to get mixed up in USA politics and calling some of us
names if they don't agree.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>> BTW... found Gary's latest selfie online:
>> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...479/morans.jpg
>
> LOL! I actually do know people like that. Got to wonder if that was
> real
> or just a faked pic. Lots of still pre-civil war racist "good ol boys"
> here too. Funny.
>
> Anyway...right back at ya. A pic that was probably taken in Tasmania and
> specifically meant for you. heheh
>
> http://i63.tinypic.com/29c6wdv.jpg

LOL Gary, LOL

Cheri

On 2016-06-27 9:58 AM, Gary wrote:
> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>> Gary's a ****ing moron and doesn't realise the consequences of that
>> sort of stupidity. This theme of wanting the world to fear the US is
>> something he's brought up many times. He's like a poster child for
>> what the ROTW view as the stereotypical ugly American.
>
> And YOU are a pot-smoking, name-calling sheepherder living in the
> mountains of Tasmania so concerned and critical of other countries
> politics. You have the world's freshest air there and you also have the
> most ignored world politics opinion. No one but you cares what you
> think.
>
Apparently you do.

On 2016-06-27 10:16 AM, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:

>> Non-usaians here are Canadians, Europeans and Australians. Why would you
>> want to scare them? They're your allies.
>
> We don't scare our allied countries. Just a small handfull of the RFC
> foreigners trying to get mixed up in USA politics and calling some of us
> names if they don't agree.

Actually, you do scare your allied countries. It is not just a small
handful of people in RFC who think that way.

In article >, says...
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > In article >, says...
> > >
> > > I'm willing to take a chance on a whole new situation. Non-usains here
> > > that fear Trump? That again tells me that we should elect him.
> >
> > Non-usaians here are Canadians, Europeans and Australians. Why would you
> > want to scare them? They're your allies.
>
> We don't scare our allied countries. Just a small handfull of the RFC
> foreigners trying to get mixed up in USA politics and calling some of us
> names if they don't agree.

"Non-usains here that fear Trump? That again tells me that we should
elect him."

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 10:13:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>"Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>> BTW... found Gary's latest selfie online:
>> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...479/morans.jpg
>
>LOL! I actually do know people like that. Got to wonder if that was
>real
>or just a faked pic. Lots of still pre-civil war racist "good ol boys"
>here too. Funny.

It's quite an old pic, IIRC it was for real, I recall it was part of a
set of pics I saw years ago.

>Anyway...right back at ya. A pic that was probably taken in Tasmania and
>specifically meant for you. heheh
>
>http://i63.tinypic.com/29c6wdv.jpg

Hah. You got it wrong Gary. Our sheep ****ing signs are on the left
hand side of the road.

Here's something for when you're feeling frisky:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZPxV03A_t4

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 09:58:42 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>"Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>> Gary's a ****ing moron and doesn't realise the consequences of that
>> sort of stupidity. This theme of wanting the world to fear the US is
>> something he's brought up many times. He's like a poster child for
>> what the ROTW view as the stereotypical ugly American.
>
>And YOU are a pot-smoking, name-calling sheepherder living in the
>mountains of Tasmania so concerned and critical of other countries
>politics.

Correct.

>You have the world's freshest air there and you also have the
>most ignored world politics opinion. No one but you cares what you
>think.
>
>Have a g'day.

Which must be why you felt compelled to comment, Mr 'I'm middle aged
and still renting and will never own my own home'

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:52:32 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-06-27 10:16 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>
>>> Non-usaians here are Canadians, Europeans and Australians. Why would you
>>> want to scare them? They're your allies.
>>
>> We don't scare our allied countries. Just a small handfull of the RFC
>> foreigners trying to get mixed up in USA politics and calling some of us
>> names if they don't agree.
>
>Actually, you do scare your allied countries. It is not just a small
>handful of people in RFC who think that way.

Goes to show how unaware he is of how it's been for at least the past
50 years.

On 2016-06-27 4:39 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 09:58:42 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>> You have the world's freshest air there and you also have the
>> most ignored world politics opinion. No one but you cares what you
>> think.
>>
>> Have a g'day.
>
> Which must be why you felt compelled to comment, Mr 'I'm middle aged
> and still renting and will never own my own home'
>
>
Well he just doesn't care enough about what you think and what you post
to not reply to it.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:03:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-06-27 4:39 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 09:58:42 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>> You have the world's freshest air there and you also have the
>>> most ignored world politics opinion. No one but you cares what you
>>> think.
>>>
>>> Have a g'day.
>>
>> Which must be why you felt compelled to comment, Mr 'I'm middle aged
>> and still renting and will never own my own home'
>>
>>
>Well he just doesn't care enough about what you think and what you post
>to not reply to it.

So it seems