"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-07-01 10:49 AM, wrote:
>
>>
>> That actually applies to all womens clothing and is something I find
>> very annoying. The other day I bought some pants, size 8 ! I went to
>> the fitting room with 10/12 which is my size, I am not an 8 and
>> haven't been since I was a pre-teen lol
>
> I think shoe size standards have gone out the window too. I have worn size
> 11 shoes since I was about 13. I have had trouble with running shoes
> hurting my toes and went to size 12 .. problem solved. A few weeks ago I
> went shopping for new shows and ended up buying size 13.
>
> I had been wearing neoprene boat boots for kayaking and I bought size 11.
> They were a tight fit. After a couple years of tolerating them putting my
> feet to sleep I splurged on a new pair. I could not get into size 12 and
> ended up with 13.

More likely your feet changed as you aged.

I used to have no problem buying shoes except for some expensive Italian
boots that I really wanted. They were sized oddly and nothing would fit.
Wore 8B and occasionally 7.5 B. But my feet changed when pregnant. Now I
wear 9D but can only wear a very few specific brands. Most shoes do not fit
me at all.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:12:45 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Friday, July 1, 2016 at 12:27:52 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> > I don't think most bra makers read those studies because it is very
>>>> > hard
>>>> > to find bras in the right size even with measurements. Another bs
>>>> > thing
>>>> > women have to deal with.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. The size as stated on the label varies very much from manufacturer
>>>> to
>>>> manufacturer and even from bra to bra. I recently mail ordered one bra
>>>> and
>>>> it fit like a dream. Ordered several others exactly the same but
>>>> different
>>>> colors. All too small.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>May I offer the suggestion that both of you (not together
>>>of course)go for a professional bra fitting? Bras are like
>>>women's clothing; they are not standardized. What might be
>>>a 34C in one manufacturers line could be a 36B in another.
>>>Even with a company's line of bras the band and cup size
>>>can vary greatly. I found that out several years ago.
>>
>> That actually applies to all womens clothing and is something I find
>> very annoying. The other day I bought some pants, size 8 ! I went to
>> the fitting room with 10/12 which is my size, I am not an 8 and
>> haven't been since I was a pre-teen lol
>
> A lot of manufacturers do "vanity sizing" so it seems like you wearing a
> smaller size.

Many years ago I ordered pants through the Sears catalog. They were priced
so that the more you bought, the more you saved. I ordered 5 pairs in
different colors. The black pair fit. None of the others did. And it was not
just a matter of too big or too small. For instance, one fit in the waist
but the hips were far too tight. Another pair was far too short.

On 2016-07-01 1:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/30/2016 10:54 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>
>> I don't think most bra makers read those studies because it is very hard
>> to find bras in the right size even with measurements. Another bs thing
>> women have to deal with.
>>
> Boys! (laughing)
>
> I finally found a couple of nice-fitting bras (after all these years)
> but I don't wear them around the house. I do wear a bra when I'm going
> out. The bra is the first thing to be shucked off when I get home. I
> think most women know how to take one off without even removing their
> shirt/blouse/top.
>
>

You are going to get Sheldon all worked up for the whole weekend.

Speaking of bras...... Years ago there was a contestant on The Gong
Show who did an impersonation of Phyllis Diller and she talked about a
new bra on the market. She said it was called the Bird Dog Bra. It makes
pointers out of setters.

On 7/1/2016 10:49 AM, wrote:

> That actually applies to all womens clothing and is something I find
> very annoying. The other day I bought some pants, size 8 ! I went to
> the fitting room with 10/12 which is my size, I am not an 8 and
> haven't been since I was a pre-teen lol

When I was at my thinnest as an adult, I wore an 8. Lo these
many years later, along with a good 15 pounds, I am in a 6.
That would have been anorexic for me back when. It's a joke.

> I solved the bra/comfort question with Genie bras - they are so
> comfortable I am sure they were designed by a woman

I took to wearing those type of bras around the house some years
ago. Attractive? No. But when I curl up in my chair with a book,
they don't ride up, the straps don't slide off, whatever. Just stay
put, please. They do a much better job of it. Jockey has one that's
not quite so heavy.

nancy

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:45:25 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/1/2016 12:18 AM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 00:14:43 -0400, Cheryl >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/28/2016 7:23 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> My cat might complain if everything was tossed in - she likes to be
>>>> able to hike open the linen cupboard door, jump up on to the sheets
>>>> and nestle down. She complains by tossing stuff out onto the floor,
>>>> so it pays to make sure she has a nice bed in there I suppose I
>>>> could put another hitch on the door instead of the magnetic one but
>>>> lifes too short to bother
>>>
>>> One thing I miss about my Shamrock that I had to put to rest in January
>>> is that he was the only one of my 5 cats at the time that wrestled with
>>> the sheets when I changed sheets. It was a pain at the time, but always
>>> made me laugh at how he fought with the sheets. None of my others do
>>> this, so changing sheets now and making the bed is easier but not as
>>> much fun.
>>
>> LOL. Lucy loves to get under the fitted sheet while I'm trying to fit
>> the sheet to the bed. Sometimes I just leave her there and fit it
>> anyway. She can squirm her way out down one side when she's ready.
>>
>Yeah, that's the fun thing about cats. They try to make a game out of
>making the bed! Fine, I'll just put the sheet on top of you. Then
>comes the hand-game of smoothing out the sheet. You pretend you don't
>know the cat is under the sheet. Play time!
>
>When Buffy came to live with me I washed the bedsheets and the blanket.
> I had the bedspread folded down on the floor. She looked at it like
>hey, that doesn't belong down here. She curled up on it anyway.
>After I made the bed and it came to put the bedspread back on she was a
>tad indignant. But then she discovered she could climb up from under
>the bedspread and leap out at me like a jack-in-the-box! I couldn't
>help but laugh. She liked that little trick so well she got down and
>did it again.

Heh

On 7/1/2016 1:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/30/2016 10:54 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>
>> I don't think most bra makers read those studies because it is very hard
>> to find bras in the right size even with measurements. Another bs thing
>> women have to deal with.
>>
> Boys! (laughing)
>
> I finally found a couple of nice-fitting bras (after all these years)
> but I don't wear them around the house. I do wear a bra when I'm going
> out. The bra is the first thing to be shucked off when I get home. I
> think most women know how to take one off without even removing their
> shirt/blouse/top.
>
> Jill
>
Absolutely! LOL I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
orgasmic.

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Cheryl

On 6/28/2016 5:05 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

> Growing up, I had to take all my clothes to the laundromat.
> Even into my late 20s, I didn't have my own machines.
>
> Now I do. You will never see me complain about doing laundry.
> It's maybe even a little zen to get all the stuff washed, dried,
> folded and put away. I happen to do it all on Sunday because I
> have time-of-day electric rates and it would hardly put a dent
> in reading to swap out loads and fold. It's really not that time
> consuming.
>
> But hey ... it doesn't bother me if people leave their stuff
> in a basket. Everyone's got their own way of doing things.

I have the worst invention ever to curse a laundry room -- a "folding
table". To me it is storage. LOL There is stuff on that table piled up
nearly to the ceiling. Every time I look at it I wonder where all that
stuff came from? Every now and then I go through it and put things in
their rightful home, but most of the time things just stay there and I
have to fight with it to get something at the bottom of the pile.

--
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Cheryl

On 7/1/2016 11:50 AM, MaryL wrote:
>>
> Yes, my grandmother had that type of ironer. My mother did not, but the
> unironed sheets never bothered us. They got soft and nice after awhile.
> My mother originally had a washing machine in the basement that took a
> great deal of work. It was the type with a wringer attached. She
> thought we were living in luxury when she got an electric washer and
> dryer that was placed in the kitchen.

It's funny some of the luxuries we take for granted these days!

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Cheryl

On 7/1/2016 8:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 6/28/2016 5:05 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> But hey ... it doesn't bother me if people leave their stuff
>> in a basket. Everyone's got their own way of doing things.
>
> I have the worst invention ever to curse a laundry room -- a "folding
> table". To me it is storage. LOL

I don't understand. Are you telling me you don't have an
exercise bike or a treadmill?? Heh.

> There is stuff on that table piled up
> nearly to the ceiling. Every time I look at it I wonder where all that
> stuff came from? Every now and then I go through it and put things in
> their rightful home, but most of the time things just stay there and I
> have to fight with it to get something at the bottom of the pile.

Sounds a bit like shelving. The more shelving I have, the harder
it is to find anything and I don't know I even own half the crap.

You got a folding table, now who needs to put stuff away. I get it.

nancy

On 7/1/2016 8:07 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/1/2016 1:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/30/2016 10:54 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>
>>> I don't think most bra makers read those studies because it is very hard
>>> to find bras in the right size even with measurements. Another bs thing
>>> women have to deal with.
>>>
>> Boys! (laughing)
>>
>> I finally found a couple of nice-fitting bras (after all these years)
>> but I don't wear them around the house. I do wear a bra when I'm going
>> out. The bra is the first thing to be shucked off when I get home. I
>> think most women know how to take one off without even removing their
>> shirt/blouse/top.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> Absolutely! LOL I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
> WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
> without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
> orgasmic.
>
I wouldn't go *that( far. LOL Still, the minute I'm inside the house I
unhook the bra and slide the straps down my arms. By the time I get to
the bedroom the bra is off and ready to be put away in the dresser.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/1/2016 8:07 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 7/1/2016 1:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 6/30/2016 10:54 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> I don't think most bra makers read those studies because it is very
>>>> hard
>>>> to find bras in the right size even with measurements. Another bs
>>>> thing
>>>> women have to deal with.
>>>>
>>> Boys! (laughing)
>>>
>>> I finally found a couple of nice-fitting bras (after all these years)
>>> but I don't wear them around the house. I do wear a bra when I'm going
>>> out. The bra is the first thing to be shucked off when I get home. I
>>> think most women know how to take one off without even removing their
>>> shirt/blouse/top.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>> Absolutely! LOL I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
>> WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
>> without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
>> orgasmic.
>>
> I wouldn't go *that( far. LOL Still, the minute I'm inside the house
> I unhook the bra and slide the straps down my arms. By the time I get
> to the bedroom the bra is off and ready to be put away in the dresser.
>
> Jill

You don't wash it?

"Alex" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/1/2016 8:07 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 7/1/2016 1:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 6/30/2016 10:54 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think most bra makers read those studies because it is very
>>>>> hard
>>>>> to find bras in the right size even with measurements. Another bs
>>>>> thing
>>>>> women have to deal with.
>>>>>
>>>> Boys! (laughing)
>>>>
>>>> I finally found a couple of nice-fitting bras (after all these years)
>>>> but I don't wear them around the house. I do wear a bra when I'm going
>>>> out. The bra is the first thing to be shucked off when I get home. I
>>>> think most women know how to take one off without even removing their
>>>> shirt/blouse/top.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>> Absolutely! LOL I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
>>> WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
>>> without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
>>> orgasmic.
>>>
>> I wouldn't go *that( far. LOL Still, the minute I'm inside the house I
>> unhook the bra and slide the straps down my arms. By the time I get to
>> the bedroom the bra is off and ready to be put away in the dresser.
>>
>> Jill
>
> You don't wash it?

I was thinking the same thing. Although I used to be able to get a few
wearings from a bra, I would never put it straight from me into a drawer.
Now, even if I have it on for only a few hours, I get irritation if I try to
wear it again without being washed.

I don't get it. When I was younger, bras were never a problem and I never
felt like I had to take them off.

On 7/1/2016 8:30 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 7/1/2016 8:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 6/28/2016 5:05 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> But hey ... it doesn't bother me if people leave their stuff
>>> in a basket. Everyone's got their own way of doing things.
>>
>> I have the worst invention ever to curse a laundry room -- a "folding
>> table". To me it is storage. LOL
>
> I don't understand. Are you telling me you don't have an
> exercise bike or a treadmill?? Heh.

LMAO! I was at a car dealership today buying a new pickup truck and me
and the finance officer were talking about treadmills and she said hers
is used as a clothes hanger, and I said mine was just dusty. Heehee
>
>> There is stuff on that table piled up
>> nearly to the ceiling. Every time I look at it I wonder where all that
>> stuff came from? Every now and then I go through it and put things in
>> their rightful home, but most of the time things just stay there and I
>> have to fight with it to get something at the bottom of the pile.
>
> Sounds a bit like shelving. The more shelving I have, the harder
> it is to find anything and I don't know I even own half the crap.
>
> You got a folding table, now who needs to put stuff away. I get it.
>
> nancy
>

Precisely.

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Cheryl

Cheryl wrote:
>
>I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
>WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
>without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
>orgasmic.

You had no man in your life... any normal man would be pleased to
remove your bra as you walked in the door.

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 20:24:29 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> I have the worst invention ever to curse a laundry room -- a "folding
> table". To me it is storage.

Give it a kiss and a promise. Folding laundry and scrubbing
toilets/floors are not "therapeutic" AFAIC, so how it gets done is up
to you and anyone who criticizes your technique can go over and do it
better at no charge.

--

sf

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> Cheryl wrote:
> >
> >I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
> >WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
> >without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
> >orgasmic.
>
> You had no man in your life...

If she had, she surely vwould not have forgotten what an orgasm feels
like

Janet UK

On 7/1/2016 11:11 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/1/2016 8:30 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 7/1/2016 8:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:

>>> I have the worst invention ever to curse a laundry room -- a "folding
>>> table". To me it is storage. LOL
>>
>> I don't understand. Are you telling me you don't have an
>> exercise bike or a treadmill?? Heh.
>
> LMAO! I was at a car dealership today buying a new pickup truck and me
> and the finance officer were talking about treadmills and she said hers
> is used as a clothes hanger, and I said mine was just dusty. Heehee

So funny. You have the best intentions when you buy them! Then
they take up all that room and get dusty and make you feel guilty.

New truck! Congrats.

nancy

In article om>,
says...
>
> On 7/1/2016 11:50 AM, MaryL wrote:
> >>
> > Yes, my grandmother had that type of ironer. My mother did not, but the
> > unironed sheets never bothered us. They got soft and nice after awhile.
> > My mother originally had a washing machine in the basement that took a
> > great deal of work. It was the type with a wringer attached. She
> > thought we were living in luxury when she got an electric washer and
> > dryer that was placed in the kitchen.
>
> It's funny some of the luxuries we take for granted these days!

I don't. To this day as I turn on a hot tap, flush a lav, pick up the
phone, turn the heating thermostat up or down, push a button and a
machine does the laundry, get in the car to the smkt, push round my
state of the art German floor cleaner, I often think of my grandmother
who was a big part of my childhood.

She had none of those lusuries, ever. She raised 7 children by her own
hard labour, and was worn to death by 53. I lived in her house for a
couple of years in my teens. This was in the 1960' but it still had no
running water, no drainage, no bathroom, no phone, no washing machine,
the lav was still a bucket in an outhouse with no electric light; we
still (rain, shine, snow, ice) fetched every drop of water in a bucket
from an outside hand pump and, we still cleaned the (only) carpet in
the house, a square she was so proud of, the same way she did. By
sprinkling it with used wet tea leaves then brushing with a hand brush.

Janet UK

Janet wrote:
>
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
> >
> > Cheryl wrote:
> > >
> > >I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
> > >WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
> > >without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
> > >orgasmic.
> >
> > You had no man in your life...
>
> If she had, she surely vwould not have forgotten what an orgasm feels
> like

Not in my married life. Pre-wife loved sex. Once I put that ring on her
finger, it all went to hell. By the end, I was getting "feel sorry for
you sex" maybe once a month. I did much better after the divorce and
required crying time. :-D

Speaking of sex, here's a good Donald Trump joke. About 6 months ago,
Comedy Channel had a Donald Trump roast and one of the jokes about him
really made me laugh.

Went something like this:

Donald Trump is so stuck on himself, when he's banging some beautiful
super model, he closes his eyes and imagines that he's jerking off.
LOL

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> New truck! Congrats.

Not only that, but she bought a pickup rather than a car. Go Cheryl!@

On 7/2/2016 9:16 AM, Janet wrote:

>>
>> It's funny some of the luxuries we take for granted these days!
>
> I don't. To this day as I turn on a hot tap, flush a lav, pick up the
> phone, turn the heating thermostat up or down, push a button and a
> machine does the laundry, get in the car to the smkt, push round my
> state of the art German floor cleaner, I often think of my grandmother
> who was a big part of my childhood.
>
> She had none of those lusuries, ever. She raised 7 children by her own
> hard labour, and was worn to death by 53. I lived in her house for a
> couple of years in my teens. This was in the 1960' but it still had no
> running water, no drainage, no bathroom, no phone, no washing machine,
> the lav was still a bucket in an outhouse with no electric light; we
> still (rain, shine, snow, ice) fetched every drop of water in a bucket
> from an outside hand pump and, we still cleaned the (only) carpet in
> the house, a square she was so proud of, the same way she did. By
> sprinkling it with used wet tea leaves then brushing with a hand brush.
>
> Janet UK
>

First hand experience makes you appreciate things. I think about it on
occasion.

Last week I was driving my wife to a doctor appointment. We were on the
highway driving at 75 mph and had a 30 mile trip. That was a full day
ride by horse, one way.

Today we accept that as routine. Just over 100 years ago there would be
no trip to the doctor, no medication, no fancy procedures, you just stay
home and die.

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 23:11:23 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 7/1/2016 8:30 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 7/1/2016 8:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2016 5:05 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> But hey ... it doesn't bother me if people leave their stuff
>>>> in a basket. Everyone's got their own way of doing things.
>>>
>>> I have the worst invention ever to curse a laundry room -- a "folding
>>> table". To me it is storage. LOL
>>
>> I don't understand. Are you telling me you don't have an
>> exercise bike or a treadmill?? Heh.
>
>LMAO! I was at a car dealership today buying a new pickup truck and me
>and the finance officer were talking about treadmills and she said hers
>is used as a clothes hanger, and I said mine was just dusty. Heehee
>>
>>> There is stuff on that table piled up
>>> nearly to the ceiling. Every time I look at it I wonder where all that
>>> stuff came from? Every now and then I go through it and put things in
>>> their rightful home, but most of the time things just stay there and I
>>> have to fight with it to get something at the bottom of the pile.
>>
>> Sounds a bit like shelving. The more shelving I have, the harder
>> it is to find anything and I don't know I even own half the crap.
>>
>> You got a folding table, now who needs to put stuff away. I get it.
>>
>> nancy
>
>Precisely.

Why would anyone need a laundry folding table when they have kitchen
counters, unless you mean a folding game table, I have one of those
with four matching folding chairs, Cosco. No, not Costco, however
they probably sell Cosco products:
http://www.coscoproducts.com/eng/

On Sat, 02 Jul 2016 10:15:50 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Janet wrote:
>>
>> In article >, gravesend10
>> @verizon.net says...
>> >
>> > Cheryl wrote:
>> > >
>> > >I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
>> > >WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
>> > >without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
>> > >orgasmic.
>> >
>> > You had no man in your life...
>>
>> If she had, she surely vwould not have forgotten what an orgasm feels
>> like
>
>Not in my married life. Pre-wife loved sex. Once I put that ring on her
>finger, it all went to hell. By the end, I was getting "feel sorry for
>you sex" maybe once a month. I did much better after the divorce and
>required crying time. :-D
>
>Speaking of sex, here's a good Donald Trump joke. About 6 months ago,
>Comedy Channel had a Donald Trump roast and one of the jokes about him
>really made me laugh.
>
>Went something like this:
>
>Donald Trump is so stuck on himself, when he's banging some beautiful
>super model, he closes his eyes and imagines that he's jerking off.
>LOL


Lol that's funny!

On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 10:34:02 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/2/2016 9:16 AM, Janet wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It's funny some of the luxuries we take for granted these days!
>>
>> I don't. To this day as I turn on a hot tap, flush a lav, pick up the
>> phone, turn the heating thermostat up or down, push a button and a
>> machine does the laundry, get in the car to the smkt, push round my
>> state of the art German floor cleaner, I often think of my grandmother
>> who was a big part of my childhood.
>>
>> She had none of those lusuries, ever. She raised 7 children by her own
>> hard labour, and was worn to death by 53. I lived in her house for a
>> couple of years in my teens. This was in the 1960' but it still had no
>> running water, no drainage, no bathroom, no phone, no washing machine,
>> the lav was still a bucket in an outhouse with no electric light; we
>> still (rain, shine, snow, ice) fetched every drop of water in a bucket
>> from an outside hand pump and, we still cleaned the (only) carpet in
>> the house, a square she was so proud of, the same way she did. By
>> sprinkling it with used wet tea leaves then brushing with a hand brush.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>
>First hand experience makes you appreciate things. I think about it on
>occasion.
>
>Last week I was driving my wife to a doctor appointment. We were on the
>highway driving at 75 mph and had a 30 mile trip. That was a full day
>ride by horse, one way.
>
>Today we accept that as routine. Just over 100 years ago there would be
>no trip to the doctor, no medication, no fancy procedures, you just stay
>home and die.

I think today, when they keep people alive on machines that is too
much, a sooner, more natural death is to me, highly desirable.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
> On 7/2/2016 9:16 AM, Janet wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It's funny some of the luxuries we take for granted these days!
>>
>> I don't. To this day as I turn on a hot tap, flush a lav, pick up the
>> phone, turn the heating thermostat up or down, push a button and a
>> machine does the laundry, get in the car to the smkt, push round my
>> state of the art German floor cleaner, I often think of my grandmother
>> who was a big part of my childhood.
>>
>> She had none of those lusuries, ever. She raised 7 children by her own
>> hard labour, and was worn to death by 53. I lived in her house for a
>> couple of years in my teens. This was in the 1960' but it still had no
>> running water, no drainage, no bathroom, no phone, no washing machine,
>> the lav was still a bucket in an outhouse with no electric light; we
>> still (rain, shine, snow, ice) fetched every drop of water in a bucket
>> from an outside hand pump and, we still cleaned the (only) carpet in
>> the house, a square she was so proud of, the same way she did. By
>> sprinkling it with used wet tea leaves then brushing with a hand brush.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>
> First hand experience makes you appreciate things. I think about it on
> occasion.
>
> Last week I was driving my wife to a doctor appointment. We were on the
> highway driving at 75 mph and had a 30 mile trip. That was a full day
> ride by horse, one way.
>
> Today we accept that as routine. Just over 100 years ago there would be
> no trip to the doctor, no medication, no fancy procedures, you just stay
> home and die.

Or the remarkable body repairs itself in many cases, not all of course, but
many.

Cheri

On 02/07/2016 8:34 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/2/2016 9:16 AM, Janet wrote:

>
> Last week I was driving my wife to a doctor appointment. We were on the
> highway driving at 75 mph and had a 30 mile trip. That was a full day
> ride by horse, one way.
>
> Today we accept that as routine. Just over 100 years ago there would be
> no trip to the doctor, no medication, no fancy procedures, you just stay
> home and die.

My mother told me that if the village Dr delivered a malformed baby to a
poor family (and farm labourers were *very* poor) he would let it die,
and probably help it on its way! The family couldn't take on such a burden.
Graham

On 7/2/2016 10:19 AM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> New truck! Congrats.
>
> Not only that, but she bought a pickup rather than a car. Go Cheryl!@
>
Damned right I did! LOL I've only had pickup trucks the last two new
vehicles I've bought. I love sitting higher than most cars these days
and it's convenient to be able to carry something larger than what a car
can haul.

This is my new one. Same red.

<http://www.tfltruck.com/2015/10/2016-toyota-tacoma-sr5-double-cab-4x4-test-drive-review/>

I haven't heard from them today so either tomorrow, or if not, Tuesday
because I made it a point to say I didn't want to come on the 4th
because of crowds for the sales they have. I'd get it on the 4th if it's
ready though.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On 7/2/2016 10:53 PM, Cheryl wrote:

> Damned right I did! LOL I've only had pickup trucks the last two new
> vehicles I've bought. I love sitting higher than most cars these days
> and it's convenient to be able to carry something larger than what a car
> can haul.

No doubt they are very handy vehicles to own.
>
> This is my new one. Same red.
>
> <http://www.tfltruck.com/2015/10/2016-toyota-tacoma-sr5-double-cab-4x4-test-drive-review/>

I like the picture of them looking under the hood. Yup, nothing to see
here. Used to be you could actually see stuff when you looked there.

> I haven't heard from them today so either tomorrow, or if not, Tuesday
> because I made it a point to say I didn't want to come on the 4th
> because of crowds for the sales they have. I'd get it on the 4th if it's
> ready though.

Maybe they'd hurry with all the paperwork if it's busy. Or not.

nancy

On 7/1/2016 9:58 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Alex" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 7/1/2016 8:07 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>> On 7/1/2016 1:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 6/30/2016 10:54 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think most bra makers read those studies because it is
>>>>>> very hard
>>>>>> to find bras in the right size even with measurements. Another bs
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> women have to deal with.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Boys! (laughing)
>>>>>
>>>>> I finally found a couple of nice-fitting bras (after all these years)
>>>>> but I don't wear them around the house. I do wear a bra when I'm
>>>>> going
>>>>> out. The bra is the first thing to be shucked off when I get home. I
>>>>> think most women know how to take one off without even removing their
>>>>> shirt/blouse/top.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>> Absolutely! LOL I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
>>>> WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
>>>> without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
>>>> orgasmic.
>>>>
>>> I wouldn't go *that( far. LOL Still, the minute I'm inside the house
>>> I unhook the bra and slide the straps down my arms. By the time I
>>> get to the bedroom the bra is off and ready to be put away in the
>>> dresser.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> You don't wash it?
>
> I was thinking the same thing.

You like to agree with my lame troll.

No, I don't wash my bras after a single wearing. It's not as if I'm
running around outside in it working up a sweat.

> Although I used to be able to get a few
> wearings from a bra, I would never put it straight from me into a
> drawer. Now, even if I have it on for only a few hours, I get irritation
> if I try to wear it again without being washed.
>
I *only* wear a bra to make a trip to the store. I'm not wearing it for
hours on end. Unlike you, a trip to the store doesn't take me hours. I
don't drive from store to store looking for one thing in one place, one
thing in another.

I wash my bras after several wearings.

> I don't get it. When I was younger, bras were never a problem and I
> never felt like I had to take them off.

I've never met a woman who enjoyed wearing a bra.

Jill

On 7/1/2016 11:13 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
>> WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
>> without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
>> orgasmic.
>
> You had no man in your life... any normal man would be pleased to
> remove your bra as you walked in the door.
>
You seem to think that's an attractive trait in a mate. Sorry, but only
if you're a horny teenager which you still appear to be even though
you're in your 70's.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 7/1/2016 11:13 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > Cheryl wrote:
> >>
> >> I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
> >> WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
> >> without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
> >> orgasmic.
> >
> > You had no man in your life... any normal man would be pleased to
> > remove your bra as you walked in the door.
> >
> You seem to think that's an attractive trait in a mate. Sorry, but only
> if you're a horny teenager which you still appear to be even though
> you're in your 70's.

Let me be the one to say it. With men...our bodies age but our brains
don't. Even at old age, if single, we still want the young hottie women
even though we know that's never gonna happen. This is why Hugh Heffner
made a fortune.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/1/2016 9:58 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Alex" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 7/1/2016 8:07 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>> On 7/1/2016 1:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/30/2016 10:54 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think most bra makers read those studies because it is
>>>>>>> very hard
>>>>>>> to find bras in the right size even with measurements. Another bs
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> women have to deal with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boys! (laughing)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I finally found a couple of nice-fitting bras (after all these years)
>>>>>> but I don't wear them around the house. I do wear a bra when I'm
>>>>>> going
>>>>>> out. The bra is the first thing to be shucked off when I get home.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> think most women know how to take one off without even removing their
>>>>>> shirt/blouse/top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely! LOL I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
>>>>> WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you
>>>>> said,
>>>>> without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
>>>>> orgasmic.
>>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't go *that( far. LOL Still, the minute I'm inside the house
>>>> I unhook the bra and slide the straps down my arms. By the time I
>>>> get to the bedroom the bra is off and ready to be put away in the
>>>> dresser.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> You don't wash it?
>>
>> I was thinking the same thing.
>
> You like to agree with my lame troll.
>
> No, I don't wash my bras after a single wearing. It's not as if I'm
> running around outside in it working up a sweat.
>
>> Although I used to be able to get a few
>> wearings from a bra, I would never put it straight from me into a
>> drawer. Now, even if I have it on for only a few hours, I get irritation
>> if I try to wear it again without being washed.
>>
> I *only* wear a bra to make a trip to the store. I'm not wearing it for
> hours on end. Unlike you, a trip to the store doesn't take me hours. I
> don't drive from store to store looking for one thing in one place, one
> thing in another.
>
> I wash my bras after several wearings.
>
>> I don't get it. When I was younger, bras were never a problem and I
>> never felt like I had to take them off.
>
> I've never met a woman who enjoyed wearing a bra.

Oh really? Have you never met any pregnant or breast feeding women? Try
going without a bra at those times and you won't like it. I went up to an F
cup. Had to wear bras to sleep in as well.

I didn't necessarily enjoy wearing a bra, except from the standpoint of some
of them being nice looking lingerie and I do like nice looking lingerie
but... They didn't cause me discomfort before. And it's not just bras
either. I found that the panties that I used to wear wear suddenly causing
irritation. I had switched to boy shorts but the quality was lacking and I
could only get one or two wearings before the elastic wore out or they got a
hole in them. This being the Hanes brand which apparently is crap.

So I bought them in the Victoria's Secret brand which is what I wore prior,
but the Hi Cuts. The VS just slithered right off of me. And it wasn't just
me. I gave some to someone else to try and she had the same trouble. We'd be
walking through a store and suddenly, the panties were swimming around in
our pants. Had we been wearing a dress, they would have shot right off.

I did have some luck with the Maidenform brand but only one particular model
in aqua which has been discontinued. I bought all that I could find,
everywhere. Bought some three packs of that brand in assorted colors and
some didn't work at all. Other times one pair of the three would work and
the rest slithered down. Tried a variety of other brands from the cheap to
the expensive and none work. All slide right off. In many cases it's worse
than sliding. They literally roll down in one fell swoop.

So now I am wearing hideous band bottom briefs. They are comfortable and do
not cause irritation. It was the elastic at the legs that was causing the
problem.

But... I have also been getting weird rashes all over. I had what I thought
was a bug bite on my arm. But in looking up pics online, it appeared to be a
wasp sting. I do not recall being bitten or stung by anything. It did itch
and began burning. Then the rash started and went almost all the way around
my arm.

At the same time, a rash popped up all around my scar where my thyroid was
removed. Extremely itchy, red and the skin got bumpy, thick and hard to the
touch.

Given my allergic reactions to things, I was afraid to put anything on it
because that is what landed me in the ER last summer. Anti itch and
cortisone creams did nothing. I finally decided to try the Cetaphil lotion
that I had bought for someone else. It had been recommended by a
dermatologist but I bought the wrong form of it. That did the trick and
slathering that on several times a day helped.

More recently I have been having trouble with my fingertips. I thought the
cans I was picking up had a weird texture, only to discover that my
fingertips were all wrinkled. And I have been having insanely dry skin. Both
of these things relate to the thyroid. It may well be that I am still not on
the correct dose of med. Have also been having severe muscle cramps and
weird lumps on my right wrist. These could also be related.

All in all it appears to be hell getting old.

On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 10:02:06 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 7/1/2016 9:58 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > "Alex" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> jmcquown wrote:

> >>> I wouldn't go *that( far. LOL Still, the minute I'm inside the house
> >>> I unhook the bra and slide the straps down my arms. By the time I
> >>> get to the bedroom the bra is off and ready to be put away in the
> >>> dresser.
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>
> >> You don't wash it?
> >
> > I was thinking the same thing.
>
> You like to agree with my lame troll.
>
> No, I don't wash my bras after a single wearing. It's not as if I'm
> running around outside in it working up a sweat.

I'd hang it up rather than jamming it into a drawer.

> > Although I used to be able to get a few
> > wearings from a bra, I would never put it straight from me into a
> > drawer. Now, even if I have it on for only a few hours, I get irritation
> > if I try to wear it again without being washed.
> >
> I *only* wear a bra to make a trip to the store. I'm not wearing it for
> hours on end. Unlike you, a trip to the store doesn't take me hours. I
> don't drive from store to store looking for one thing in one place, one
> thing in another.
>
> I wash my bras after several wearings.
>
> > I don't get it. When I was younger, bras were never a problem and I
> > never felt like I had to take them off.
>
> I've never met a woman who enjoyed wearing a bra.

Me. If I'm vertical, I'm wearing a bra. I'm obese; I have large
floppy breasts; I'm uncomfortable with them just roaming on their own.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/4/2016 10:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 10:02:06 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> I've never met a woman who enjoyed wearing a bra.
>
> Me. If I'm vertical, I'm wearing a bra. I'm obese; I have large
> floppy breasts; I'm uncomfortable with them just roaming on their own.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I'm sorry. I know you're losing weight and congrats on that! I weigh
120 lbs. and I don't sit around the house wearing a bra. I only wear
one out in public and take it off when I get home. I wash it every few
wears.

BTW, when I said I put it away in a "dresser" it's actually a small
rattan piece of furniture so it's not like I shut my bras in a cedar
chest. I also don't get all hot and sweaty when wearing a bra for an
hour. My car has AC, my house has AC. My trips to the store or even to
the doctor's office don't take me hours and hours. If I sweated into a
bra I'd certainly wash it and hang it to dry before I put it away.
Doesn't happen.

Jill

On 7/4/2016 10:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 7/1/2016 11:13 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> Cheryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
>>>> WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
>>>> without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
>>>> orgasmic.
>>>
>>> You had no man in your life... any normal man would be pleased to
>>> remove your bra as you walked in the door.
>>>
>> You seem to think that's an attractive trait in a mate. Sorry, but only
>> if you're a horny teenager which you still appear to be even though
>> you're in your 70's.
>
> Let me be the one to say it. With men...our bodies age but our brains
> don't. Even at old age, if single, we still want the young hottie women
> even though we know that's never gonna happen. This is why Hugh Heffner
> made a fortune.
>
Oh, I agree. Still, Heffner wasn't an old man when he started his
Playboy "empire". He was about 27. A far cry from some old fart
sitting around a pool wearing a bathrobe surrounded by so called
'starlets' with big tits.

Jill

On 04/07/2016 9:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/4/2016 10:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 10:02:06 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>> I've never met a woman who enjoyed wearing a bra.
>>
>> Me. If I'm vertical, I'm wearing a bra. I'm obese; I have large
>> floppy breasts; I'm uncomfortable with them just roaming on their own.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> I'm sorry. I know you're losing weight and congrats on that! I weigh
> 120 lbs. and I don't sit around the house wearing a bra. I only wear
> one out in public and take it off when I get home. I wash it every few
> wears.
>
> BTW, when I said I put it away in a "dresser" it's actually a small
> rattan piece of furniture so it's not like I shut my bras in a cedar
> chest. I also don't get all hot and sweaty when wearing a bra for an
> hour. My car has AC, my house has AC. My trips to the store or even to
> the doctor's office don't take me hours and hours. If I sweated into a
> bra I'd certainly wash it and hang it to dry before I put it away.
> Doesn't happen.
>
> Jill
Some years ago in Amsterdam, I came across an art gallery with a window
display of women's underwear, some draped over the backs of chairs, some
hanging to "dry" in a bathroom. *Except* they had all been carved from
wood and were incredibly realistic, the "bras" showing every wrinkle
from the "washing".
Two elderly ladies were looking at the display and one could tell that
they wanted to laugh but felt it a bit infra dig. :-)
Graham

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/1/2016 9:58 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

>> I don't get it. When I was younger, bras were never a problem and I
>> never felt like I had to take them off.
>
> I've never met a woman who enjoyed wearing a bra.
>
> Jill

Me either. When I was younger, especially a teenager, I was going many
places in a day so the bra stayed on all day long. These days I only wear a
bra when leaving the house and they're excercise type bras. The second I hit
the house, it is gone!

Cheri

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message

>> I've never met a woman who enjoyed wearing a bra.
>
> Oh really? Have you never met any pregnant or breast feeding women? Try
> going without a bra at those times and you won't like it. I went up to an
> F cup. Had to wear bras to sleep in as well.

She said she never met a woman who "enjoyed" wearing a bra, or are you
saying you enjoyed having to wear those bras?

Cheri

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 10:02:06 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:

>> I've never met a woman who enjoyed wearing a bra.
>
> Me. If I'm vertical, I'm wearing a bra. I'm obese; I have large
> floppy breasts; I'm uncomfortable with them just roaming on their own.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Fortunately, I'm fairly small breasted, especially fortunate in the gravity
of older years, but I do imagine if I was large breasted I wouldn't care for
the floppy breast syndrome going on either so I would wear a bra as well.

Cheri

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 10:21:52 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 7/1/2016 11:13 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> > Cheryl wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I remember when I worked in the office and I couldn't
>> >> WAIT to get home and take that wretched thing off. Exactly as you said,
>> >> without even having to remove my shirt. Ahhh... The relief was nearly
>> >> orgasmic.
>> >
>> > You had no man in your life... any normal man would be pleased to
>> > remove your bra as you walked in the door.
>> >
>> You seem to think that's an attractive trait in a mate. Sorry, but only
>> if you're a horny teenager which you still appear to be even though
>> you're in your 70's.
>
>Let me be the one to say it. With men...our bodies age but our brains
>don't. Even at old age, if single, we still want the young hottie women
>even though we know that's never gonna happen. This is why Hugh Heffner
>made a fortune.

Women think about getting into a man's wallet... men think about
getting into a woman. That said I don't think much about young
hotties, it's rare to find a young one that knows how to satisfy a
man... I'd much rather a 30-50 year old than an 20-30 year old. Young
women may be nice to look at but when so close to be intimate there
ain't much looking... at that point looking is the last thing one
focuses on... can't see much anyway when eyeballs are an inch away.
And therein lies my theory on homosexuality, people learn at a very
early age how to sexually satisfy themselves so sexually satisfying
their same sex becomes second nature, too easy a trap to escape. I
think day care centers are a huge mistake... I don't think very young
children should be permitted togetherness without very close
supervision. Same sex sleep overs are a very bad idea. Bathing young
same sex children together is a very sick idea... it's much healthier
to bathe opposite sex young children together, and then answer any
questions honestly. I firmly believe very young children need
separate bedrooms.