On 2016-07-03 7:33 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/2/2016 11:02 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:57:08 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> A mistake is made when your chequebook doesn't balance or when you put
>>> on a sock inside out!! He damn well knew what he was doing when he drove
>>> drunk and ran from the scene!
>>
>> He also went to jail and served his time.
>>
> Dave said he was just sentenced, which means he hasn't served the year
> yet. However there's no real documentation to go with his post and much
> of what he wrote "from reliable sources" sounds like speculation and
> gossip.



http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/2...or-hit-and-run



http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/201...o-be-sentenced

http://www.bulletnewsniagara.ca/inde...ctions&id=4146



The reliable source is a friend of my son who was at the bar where the
couple were drinking.



> I do agree drinking is no excuse. Years ago my nephew was hit by an
> unlicensed drunk driver (a repeat offender). He was driving his
> sister's (uninsured) pickup truck. The guy's sister knew he wasn't
> supposed to be driving; apparently she didn't care.
>

Being the owner of the vehicle and allowing him to drive it would make
her liable. At least, that is the way it works here.





> My nephew was riding his bicycle on the sidewalk in the suburb where he
> lived. It appears the driver passed out, jumped the curb, hit my nephew
> (who was seriously injured) then plowed into the front of a house. The
> truck was littered with empties. I don't really know what the
> disposition of the case turned out to be. I do know there was no auto
> insurance to pay even a part of my nephew's medical bills.


Some people just don't care. I was surprised to learn how many people
drive without a license or while under suspension. I caught lots of
people driving under suspension and lots of them who had been been
convicted many times previously. The worst was the guy with 24 previous
convictions.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/3/2016 7:12 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>> He's being facetious. Several people were talking as though restaurant
>> staff are meaningless. He is pointing out that they are no more
>> meaningless than anyone else. I do know people who talk like this and
>> think like this. I would never put anyone down for what they do. Just
>> because they are doing what some might consider to be a menial job...
>> Someone has to do it. And there are plenty of people out there who are
>> working at a job that is beneath their skill level. For various reasons.
>> It's not my place to judge.
>
> Julie got it right!

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 1:15:08 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "dsi1" <dsiom> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 10:03:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2016-07-03 3:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Gary is not concerned about how others will be affected by what
>> >> > happens
>> >> > with the continued punishment of the offender. Why be concerned
>> >> > about
>> >> > how anyone earns a living?
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, the offender should be punished but some here seem to want him
>> >> > purged from society forever no matter who gets dragged with him.
>> >> > Perhaps
>> >> > he should be executed.
>> >> >
>> >> > Knee jerk reaction is to not patronize the restaurant. OK, now what
>> >> > should happen to the guy? Never be employed again? Never own a
>> >> > business? Now that you put him out of business you should have a
>> >> > next
>> >> > step or you are as guilty of ruining a life as he is. What's next?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It's not as if I am out there with the torches and pitchforks driving
>> >> him out of town. I simply cannot patronize a restaurant when I know
>> >> that
>> >> something like that has happened. From what I have learned, he was
>> >> not
>> >> the only one who made the mistake of driving while intoxicated,
>> >> driving
>> >> off the road and hitting someone hard enough to send them flying more
>> >> than 60 feet through the air, inflicting life threatening injuries and
>> >> then driving off and leaving her to die, going home and having a bunch
>> >> of drinks so that when the cops showed up he could say he had been
>> >> drinking at home, and then shifting the ownership of an asset that
>> >> could
>> >> be lost in a law suit.
>> >>
>> >> I believe I stated quite clearly that my personal boycott is not going
>> >> to hurt the guy's business because the place is always busy. I just
>> >> cannot bring myself to patronize it.
>> >>
>> >> FWIW, I did go there a a few times after the incident. I was prepared
>> >> to
>> >> accept that there might have been another side to the story. The idea
>> >> of a bunch of teens out on the road at 2:30 am left all sorts of
>> >> possibilities. Then the facts came out and he has been to court and
>> >> was
>> >> convicted.
>> >>
>> >> That is not the end of his legal trouble. I heard from a friend of the
>> >> family that there have been suits launched against the driver,
>> >> against
>> >> the bar where he had been drinking, and against the owners of the
>> >> house
>> >> were the party was held and the teens were drinking under age.
>> >> However,
>> >> I have to wonder how much liability the parents are willing to assume
>> >> for allowing their kids to stay out that late, for raising kids who
>> >> drink under age and who abuse alcohol.
>> >
>> > We used to go to a store where several of the young employees who were
>> > working at night were taken to a back room and executed. I never could
>> > set
>> > foot in the store again. That had nothing to do with morals or ethics -
>> > just very bad karma.
>>
>> Agree.
>
> This happened in Lynnwood WA but I cannot remember the name of the store.
> It's just as well.

OMG. I shop in Lynnwood all the time. I have to look this up! And I found
nothing. Do you remember what kind of store it was?

On 7/3/2016 8:44 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:01:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> Parents? Only if they condoned the teens drinking to excess.
>
> Parents are guilty if they condoned their teens drinking at all.

I agree with that. I went to high school in the 70's with a boy whose
mom was the "cool" mom. She truly felt she was providing a safe-haven
for her son's friends to drink. It sounded cool as hell at the time but
it really wasn't.

Jill

> Years ago I volunteered with a big brother program at the local school
> district. For several weeks I would take an eight year old boy on
> outings; movies, to parks, feeding ducks, helping him plant tomatoes
> in his yard. He had a 16 year old sister that was built like the
> proverbial BSH. The mom had no problem providing her daughter with
> hard liquor while her daughter was entertaining 18 year old boys in
> their vans parked in their driveway. Once I saw what was happening I
> reported it to the school admin and I quit that program. It was a bad
> scene and the mom didn't care, she told me to lighten up, it was
> normal growing up. She knew her 16 year old daughter was providing
> sex to every boy at her school and acted like she should get an award.
> I learned that those big brother programs are a crock of poo. Helped
> set the stage for me not believing in any charitible organizations...
> my only charitible donation is directly feeding critters... no
> pockets, no stealing. Big Brother program admins like ALL charities
> skim grubermint funding, which means tax payers get ripped. When I
> feed critters I can watch them eating, they're all grateful, there's
> no skimming by fat cat admins. When I see a wild critter hurt/ssick I
> trap them if I can and sbring them to a Vet that charges little or
> nothing to help wild critters, They know I care for critters so they
> don't bill me but still I bring cases of food for the guys waiting to
> be adopted... strays only need a good loving home and they give back
> ten times over. Animal Kind is an extrordinarilly valuable
> organization in my community.
> http://www.animalkindny.com/misson
> Give them a forever home:
> http://www.animalkindny.com/animals/
>

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 1:15:08 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "dsi1" <dsiom> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 10:03:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2016-07-03 3:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Gary is not concerned about how others will be affected by what
>> >> > happens
>> >> > with the continued punishment of the offender. Why be concerned
>> >> > about
>> >> > how anyone earns a living?
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, the offender should be punished but some here seem to want him
>> >> > purged from society forever no matter who gets dragged with him.
>> >> > Perhaps
>> >> > he should be executed.
>> >> >
>> >> > Knee jerk reaction is to not patronize the restaurant. OK, now what
>> >> > should happen to the guy? Never be employed again? Never own a
>> >> > business? Now that you put him out of business you should have a
>> >> > next
>> >> > step or you are as guilty of ruining a life as he is. What's next?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It's not as if I am out there with the torches and pitchforks driving
>> >> him out of town. I simply cannot patronize a restaurant when I know
>> >> that
>> >> something like that has happened. From what I have learned, he was
>> >> not
>> >> the only one who made the mistake of driving while intoxicated,
>> >> driving
>> >> off the road and hitting someone hard enough to send them flying more
>> >> than 60 feet through the air, inflicting life threatening injuries and
>> >> then driving off and leaving her to die, going home and having a bunch
>> >> of drinks so that when the cops showed up he could say he had been
>> >> drinking at home, and then shifting the ownership of an asset that
>> >> could
>> >> be lost in a law suit.
>> >>
>> >> I believe I stated quite clearly that my personal boycott is not going
>> >> to hurt the guy's business because the place is always busy. I just
>> >> cannot bring myself to patronize it.
>> >>
>> >> FWIW, I did go there a a few times after the incident. I was prepared
>> >> to
>> >> accept that there might have been another side to the story. The idea
>> >> of a bunch of teens out on the road at 2:30 am left all sorts of
>> >> possibilities. Then the facts came out and he has been to court and
>> >> was
>> >> convicted.
>> >>
>> >> That is not the end of his legal trouble. I heard from a friend of the
>> >> family that there have been suits launched against the driver,
>> >> against
>> >> the bar where he had been drinking, and against the owners of the
>> >> house
>> >> were the party was held and the teens were drinking under age.
>> >> However,
>> >> I have to wonder how much liability the parents are willing to assume
>> >> for allowing their kids to stay out that late, for raising kids who
>> >> drink under age and who abuse alcohol.
>> >
>> > We used to go to a store where several of the young employees who were
>> > working at night were taken to a back room and executed. I never could
>> > set
>> > foot in the store again. That had nothing to do with morals or ethics -
>> > just very bad karma.
>>
>> Agree.
>
> This happened in Lynnwood WA but I cannot remember the name of the store.
> It's just as well.

MrD behave yourself!

;-)


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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:01:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 7/3/2016 4:45 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>> That is not the end of his legal trouble. I heard from a friend of the
>>>> family that there have been suits launched against the driver, against
>>>> the bar where he had been drinking, and against the owners of the house
>>>> were the party was held and the teens were drinking under age.
>>>> However,
>>>> I have to wonder how much liability the parents are willing to assume
>>>> for allowing their kids to stay out that late, for raising kids who
>>>> drink under age and who abuse alcohol.
>>>
>>> Does that mean that if the kids were drinking and on foot going home
>>> (not driving) you now feel it is their fault ? Rather like it's a
>>> woman's fault when she is raped ?
>>>
>>
>>I don't think it is the same.
>>
>>There is more to the story though, once you dig into it. There are many
>>ways the accident could have been avoided. Forget legalities for a
>>second and just look at the morality. If you allowed the teens to drink
>>at your house would you feel guilty afterwards? You had the opportunity
>>to prevent it and yet you did not.
>>
>>Bartender? Yes, some blame there if he was serving a person impaired
>>already.
>>
>>Parents? Only if they condoned the teens drinking to excess.
>
> Parents are guilty if they condoned their teens drinking at all.
> Years ago I volunteered with a big brother program at the local school
> district. For several weeks I would take an eight year old boy on
> outings; movies, to parks, feeding ducks, helping him plant tomatoes
> in his yard. He had a 16 year old sister that was built like the
> proverbial BSH. The mom had no problem providing her daughter with
> hard liquor while her daughter was entertaining 18 year old boys in
> their vans parked in their driveway. Once I saw what was happening I
> reported it to the school admin and I quit that program. It was a bad
> scene and the mom didn't care, she told me to lighten up, it was
> normal growing up. She knew her 16 year old daughter was providing
> sex to every boy at her school and acted like she should get an award.
> I learned that those big brother programs are a crock of poo. Helped
> set the stage for me not believing in any charitible organizations...
> my only charitible donation is directly feeding critters... no
> pockets, no stealing. Big Brother program admins like ALL charities
> skim grubermint funding, which means tax payers get ripped. When I
> feed critters I can watch them eating, they're all grateful, there's
> no skimming by fat cat admins. When I see a wild critter hurt/ssick I
> trap them if I can and sbring them to a Vet that charges little or
> nothing to help wild critters, They know I care for critters so they
> don't bill me but still I bring cases of food for the guys waiting to
> be adopted... strays only need a good loving home and they give back
> ten times over. Animal Kind is an extrordinarilly valuable
> organization in my community.
> http://www.animalkindny.com/misson
> Give them a forever home:
> http://www.animalkindny.com/animals/

I agree. So many poor animals and so few forever homes

I only take rescues.




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On 04/07/2016 9:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:01:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/3/2016 4:45 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>>> That is not the end of his legal trouble. I heard from a friend of the
>>>>> family that there have been suits launched against the driver,
>>>>> against
>>>>> the bar where he had been drinking, and against the owners of the
>>>>> house
>>>>> were the party was held and the teens were drinking under age.
>>>>> However,
>>>>> I have to wonder how much liability the parents are willing to assume
>>>>> for allowing their kids to stay out that late, for raising kids who
>>>>> drink under age and who abuse alcohol.
>>>>
>>>> Does that mean that if the kids were drinking and on foot going home
>>>> (not driving) you now feel it is their fault ? Rather like it's a
>>>> woman's fault when she is raped ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think it is the same.
>>>
>>> There is more to the story though, once you dig into it. There are many
>>> ways the accident could have been avoided. Forget legalities for a
>>> second and just look at the morality. If you allowed the teens to drink
>>> at your house would you feel guilty afterwards? You had the opportunity
>>> to prevent it and yet you did not.
>>>
>>> Bartender? Yes, some blame there if he was serving a person impaired
>>> already.
>>>
>>> Parents? Only if they condoned the teens drinking to excess.
>>
>> Parents are guilty if they condoned their teens drinking at all.
>> Years ago I volunteered with a big brother program at the local school
>> district. For several weeks I would take an eight year old boy on
>> outings; movies, to parks, feeding ducks, helping him plant tomatoes
>> in his yard. He had a 16 year old sister that was built like the
>> proverbial BSH. The mom had no problem providing her daughter with
>> hard liquor while her daughter was entertaining 18 year old boys in
>> their vans parked in their driveway. Once I saw what was happening I
>> reported it to the school admin and I quit that program. It was a bad
>> scene and the mom didn't care, she told me to lighten up, it was
>> normal growing up. She knew her 16 year old daughter was providing
>> sex to every boy at her school and acted like she should get an award.
>> I learned that those big brother programs are a crock of poo. Helped
>> set the stage for me not believing in any charitible organizations...
>> my only charitible donation is directly feeding critters... no
>> pockets, no stealing. Big Brother program admins like ALL charities
>> skim grubermint funding, which means tax payers get ripped. When I
>> feed critters I can watch them eating, they're all grateful, there's
>> no skimming by fat cat admins. When I see a wild critter hurt/ssick I
>> trap them if I can and sbring them to a Vet that charges little or
>> nothing to help wild critters, They know I care for critters so they
>> don't bill me but still I bring cases of food for the guys waiting to
>> be adopted... strays only need a good loving home and they give back
>> ten times over. Animal Kind is an extrordinarilly valuable
>> organization in my community.
>> http://www.animalkindny.com/misson
>> Give them a forever home:
>> http://www.animalkindny.com/animals/
>
> I agree. So many poor animals and so few forever homes
>
> I only take rescues.
>
>
>
>
We have idiots here who are importing pitbulls rescued from US shelters
where they had been on a list for euthanising.
Graham

On 2016-07-04 12:43 PM, graham wrote:

>>
> We have idiots here who are importing pitbulls rescued from US shelters
> where they had been on a list for euthanising.

He have them here too.... the local Humane Society. It is illegal to
breed or import pit bulls here, but I know someone who "rescued" one
from the pound, and it was an American dog that was "rescued" from
somewhere in the US. It is strange that the organization that enforces
the animal bylaws and provincial animal protections laws is violating
those same laws.

On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 10:43:40 AM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> On 04/07/2016 9:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:01:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 7/3/2016 4:45 PM, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> That is not the end of his legal trouble. I heard from a friend of the
> >>>>> family that there have been suits launched against the driver,
> >>>>> against
> >>>>> the bar where he had been drinking, and against the owners of the
> >>>>> house
> >>>>> were the party was held and the teens were drinking under age.
> >>>>> However,
> >>>>> I have to wonder how much liability the parents are willing to assume
> >>>>> for allowing their kids to stay out that late, for raising kids who
> >>>>> drink under age and who abuse alcohol.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does that mean that if the kids were drinking and on foot going home
> >>>> (not driving) you now feel it is their fault ? Rather like it's a
> >>>> woman's fault when she is raped ?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't think it is the same.
> >>>
> >>> There is more to the story though, once you dig into it. There are many
> >>> ways the accident could have been avoided. Forget legalities for a
> >>> second and just look at the morality. If you allowed the teens to drink
> >>> at your house would you feel guilty afterwards? You had the opportunity
> >>> to prevent it and yet you did not.
> >>>
> >>> Bartender? Yes, some blame there if he was serving a person impaired
> >>> already.
> >>>
> >>> Parents? Only if they condoned the teens drinking to excess.
> >>
> >> Parents are guilty if they condoned their teens drinking at all.
> >> Years ago I volunteered with a big brother program at the local school
> >> district. For several weeks I would take an eight year old boy on
> >> outings; movies, to parks, feeding ducks, helping him plant tomatoes
> >> in his yard. He had a 16 year old sister that was built like the
> >> proverbial BSH. The mom had no problem providing her daughter with
> >> hard liquor while her daughter was entertaining 18 year old boys in
> >> their vans parked in their driveway. Once I saw what was happening I
> >> reported it to the school admin and I quit that program. It was a bad
> >> scene and the mom didn't care, she told me to lighten up, it was
> >> normal growing up. She knew her 16 year old daughter was providing
> >> sex to every boy at her school and acted like she should get an award.
> >> I learned that those big brother programs are a crock of poo. Helped
> >> set the stage for me not believing in any charitible organizations...
> >> my only charitible donation is directly feeding critters... no
> >> pockets, no stealing. Big Brother program admins like ALL charities
> >> skim grubermint funding, which means tax payers get ripped. When I
> >> feed critters I can watch them eating, they're all grateful, there's
> >> no skimming by fat cat admins. When I see a wild critter hurt/ssick I
> >> trap them if I can and sbring them to a Vet that charges little or
> >> nothing to help wild critters, They know I care for critters so they
> >> don't bill me but still I bring cases of food for the guys waiting to
> >> be adopted... strays only need a good loving home and they give back
> >> ten times over. Animal Kind is an extrordinarilly valuable
> >> organization in my community.
> >> http://www.animalkindny.com/misson
> >> Give them a forever home:
> >> http://www.animalkindny.com/animals/
> >
> > I agree. So many poor animals and so few forever homes
> >
> > I only take rescues.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> We have idiots here who are importing pitbulls rescued from US shelters
> where they had been on a list for euthanising.
> Graham

Hard to believe that people can be so goddamned stupid when it comes to pitbulls. Pitbulls were bred to KILL, that is their specialty. They should be purged from this earth.
====

On 7/3/2016 7:33 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> I do agree drinking is no excuse. Years ago my nephew was hit by an
> unlicensed drunk driver (a repeat offender). He was driving his
> sister's (uninsured) pickup truck. The guy's sister knew he wasn't
> supposed to be driving; apparently she didn't care.
>
> My nephew was riding his bicycle on the sidewalk in the suburb where he
> lived. It appears the driver passed out, jumped the curb, hit my nephew
> (who was seriously injured) then plowed into the front of a house. The
> truck was littered with empties. I don't really know what the
> disposition of the case turned out to be. I do know there was no auto
> insurance to pay even a part of my nephew's medical bills.

That's horrible Jill. It would have been nice to know the outcome,
especially if the driver is still in jail. I hope the fact that he was a
repeat offender means he was prosecuted fully.

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Cheryl

On 7/4/2016 2:22 PM, Roy wrote:

>
> Hard to believe that people can be so goddamned stupid when it comes to pitbulls. Pitbulls were bred to KILL, that is their specialty. They should be purged from this earth.
> ====
>

They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
to be nasty.

We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.

On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 14:48:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/4/2016 2:22 PM, Roy wrote:
>
>>
>> Hard to believe that people can be so goddamned stupid when it comes to pitbulls. Pitbulls were bred to KILL, that is their specialty. They should be purged from this earth.
>> ====
>>
>
>They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
>handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
>to be nasty.
>
>We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
>Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.

You can never be absolutely sure in all circumstances though. A
friends Staffordshire Bull Terrier had always been reliable but he
suddenly rushed me when he came into the room and saw the baby sitting
on my lap. Thankfully I was in a swivel chair and managed to deflect
while the owner grabbed him, it was a nasty feeling.

On 2016-07-04 2:22 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 10:43:40 AM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>> On 04/07/2016 9:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:01:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/3/2016 4:45 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is not the end of his legal trouble. I heard from a
>>>>>>> friend of the family that there have been suits launched
>>>>>>> against the driver, against the bar where he had been
>>>>>>> drinking, and against the owners of the house were the
>>>>>>> party was held and the teens were drinking under age.
>>>>>>> However, I have to wonder how much liability the parents
>>>>>>> are willing to assume for allowing their kids to stay out
>>>>>>> that late, for raising kids who drink under age and who
>>>>>>> abuse alcohol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does that mean that if the kids were drinking and on foot
>>>>>> going home (not driving) you now feel it is their fault ?
>>>>>> Rather like it's a woman's fault when she is raped ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it is the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is more to the story though, once you dig into it.
>>>>> There are many ways the accident could have been avoided.
>>>>> Forget legalities for a second and just look at the morality.
>>>>> If you allowed the teens to drink at your house would you
>>>>> feel guilty afterwards? You had the opportunity to prevent
>>>>> it and yet you did not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bartender? Yes, some blame there if he was serving a person
>>>>> impaired already.
>>>>>
>>>>> Parents? Only if they condoned the teens drinking to excess.
>>>>
>>>> Parents are guilty if they condoned their teens drinking at
>>>> all. Years ago I volunteered with a big brother program at the
>>>> local school district. For several weeks I would take an eight
>>>> year old boy on outings; movies, to parks, feeding ducks,
>>>> helping him plant tomatoes in his yard. He had a 16 year old
>>>> sister that was built like the proverbial BSH. The mom had no
>>>> problem providing her daughter with hard liquor while her
>>>> daughter was entertaining 18 year old boys in their vans parked
>>>> in their driveway. Once I saw what was happening I reported it
>>>> to the school admin and I quit that program. It was a bad
>>>> scene and the mom didn't care, she told me to lighten up, it
>>>> was normal growing up. She knew her 16 year old daughter was
>>>> providing sex to every boy at her school and acted like she
>>>> should get an award. I learned that those big brother programs
>>>> are a crock of poo. Helped set the stage for me not believing
>>>> in any charitible organizations... my only charitible donation
>>>> is directly feeding critters... no pockets, no stealing. Big
>>>> Brother program admins like ALL charities skim grubermint
>>>> funding, which means tax payers get ripped. When I feed
>>>> critters I can watch them eating, they're all grateful,
>>>> there's no skimming by fat cat admins. When I see a wild
>>>> critter hurt/ssick I trap them if I can and sbring them to a
>>>> Vet that charges little or nothing to help wild critters, They
>>>> know I care for critters so they don't bill me but still I
>>>> bring cases of food for the guys waiting to be adopted...
>>>> strays only need a good loving home and they give back ten
>>>> times over. Animal Kind is an extrordinarilly valuable
>>>> organization in my community.
>>>> http://www.animalkindny.com/misson Give them a forever home:
>>>> http://www.animalkindny.com/animals/
>>>
>>> I agree. So many poor animals and so few forever homes
>>>
>>> I only take rescues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> We have idiots here who are importing pitbulls rescued from US
>> shelters where they had been on a list for euthanising. Graham
>
> Hard to believe that people can be so goddamned stupid when it comes
> to pitbulls. Pitbulls were bred to KILL, that is their specialty.
> They should be purged from this earth. ====

My former neighbour had two (neutured) male pit bulls and were loose all
the time. They were never a problem for me. The younger one used to come
over and visit when I was at the patio table or working in the yard.
They and their German Shepherd used to tag along with my wife on her
morning walk in the woods with our two dogs..... five male dogs. There
were never any problems. I can tell you that my wife sure felt safe.

On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 14:48:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/4/2016 2:22 PM, Roy wrote:
>>
>> Hard to believe that people can be so goddamned stupid when it comes to pitbulls. Pitbulls were bred to KILL, that is their specialty. They should be purged from this earth.
>
>They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
>handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
>to be nasty.

That's right. I've been around those breeds most of my life and the
only nasty ones I ever came across were made that way. No better or
worse than any other breed when it comes to temperament.

>We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
>Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.

I lost Winnie, my dog, in the bush 6 days ago. She was a
Staffordshire/Pit Bull cross, and you couldn't ask for a friendlier
and more pleasant dog. Everyone absolutely loved her.

Goodbye Winnie, I'll never forget you

>
>
>That's right. I've been around those breeds most of my life and the
>only nasty ones I ever came across were made that way. No better or
>worse than any other breed when it comes to temperament.
>
>>We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
>>Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.
>
>I lost Winnie, my dog, in the bush 6 days ago. She was a
>Staffordshire/Pit Bull cross, and you couldn't ask for a friendlier
>and more pleasant dog. Everyone absolutely loved her.
>
>Goodbye Winnie, I'll never forget you

Do you mean she strayed away from you, or what? My cat is Winnie,
she was already called that.

I had a boxer with uncropped ears that looked a little like a pit bull.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 20:10:02 -0300, wrote:

>>
>>
>>That's right. I've been around those breeds most of my life and the
>>only nasty ones I ever came across were made that way. No better or
>>worse than any other breed when it comes to temperament.
>>
>>>We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
>>>Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.
>>
>>I lost Winnie, my dog, in the bush 6 days ago. She was a
>>Staffordshire/Pit Bull cross, and you couldn't ask for a friendlier
>>and more pleasant dog. Everyone absolutely loved her.
>>
>>Goodbye Winnie, I'll never forget you
>
>Do you mean she strayed away from you, or what?

Led away by another dog... the pair of them had a habit of going bush
ever since my friend lost his other dog - it seems Winnie replaced him
as far as that goes. I had Winnie with me inside my friend's house,
then SOMEBODY left the door open (knowing it was meant to be kept
closed), and off they went. It was only a matter of a minute or so
before I realised the door was open but it was too late.

>My cat is Winnie,
>she was already called that.

Yes, I remember.

>
>Ingredients
>
>>>
>>>I lost Winnie, my dog, in the bush 6 days ago. She was a
>>>Staffordshire/Pit Bull cross, and you couldn't ask for a friendlier
>>>and more pleasant dog. Everyone absolutely loved her.
>>>
>>>Goodbye Winnie, I'll never forget you
>>
>>Do you mean she strayed away from you, or what?
>
>Led away by another dog... the pair of them had a habit of going bush
>ever since my friend lost his other dog - it seems Winnie replaced him
>as far as that goes. I had Winnie with me inside my friend's house,
>then SOMEBODY left the door open (knowing it was meant to be kept
>closed), and off they went. It was only a matter of a minute or so
>before I realised the door was open but it was too late.
>
>>My cat is Winnie,
>>she was already called that.
>
>Yes, I remember.

I'm so sorry, but don't give up yet! My granddaughter just got her
cat back, they were in the garden and she was terrified when a car
backfired out on the road, and she ran. This evening, two days later,
after all the searching a friend brought her home. He recognised her,
she was cowering by a house, he called her and she practically ran up
him! So sometimes things work out, and dogs are good at returning.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and Winnie.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 20:56:50 -0300, wrote:

>>
>>Ingredients
>>
>>>>
>>>>I lost Winnie, my dog, in the bush 6 days ago. She was a
>>>>Staffordshire/Pit Bull cross, and you couldn't ask for a friendlier
>>>>and more pleasant dog. Everyone absolutely loved her.
>>>>
>>>>Goodbye Winnie, I'll never forget you
>>>
>>>Do you mean she strayed away from you, or what?
>>
>>Led away by another dog... the pair of them had a habit of going bush
>>ever since my friend lost his other dog - it seems Winnie replaced him
>>as far as that goes. I had Winnie with me inside my friend's house,
>>then SOMEBODY left the door open (knowing it was meant to be kept
>>closed), and off they went. It was only a matter of a minute or so
>>before I realised the door was open but it was too late.
>>
>>>My cat is Winnie,
>>>she was already called that.
>>
>>Yes, I remember.
>
>I'm so sorry, but don't give up yet! My granddaughter just got her
>cat back, they were in the garden and she was terrified when a car
>backfired out on the road, and she ran. This evening, two days later,
>after all the searching a friend brought her home. He recognised her,
>she was cowering by a house, he called her and she practically ran up
>him!

Aww

>So sometimes things work out, and dogs are good at returning.

Yes, dogs are usually good at returning, Winnie has done this a few
times, theyre usually back in the evening (by which time I've usually
gone home). his last time, my friend's dog, Zed, came back with a
broken canine after about 30 hours and needed treatment. But this time
there was no Winnie with him. At least the weather has been mild this
past week and not below freezing.

Here's an old pic of Winnie... plus Annie and Lucy...
http://www.hostpic.org/images/1603281958590106.jpg

>I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and Winnie.

Many thanks, appreciated.

On 7/4/2016 2:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/4/2016 2:22 PM, Roy wrote:
>
>>
>> Hard to believe that people can be so goddamned stupid when it comes
>> to pitbulls. Pitbulls were bred to KILL, that is their specialty. They
>> should be purged from this earth.
>> ====
>>
>
> They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
> handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
> to be nasty.
>
> We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
> Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.

I know lots of them and they can be very sweet dogs. Yes, they can be
vicious but anything can be if raised wrong. The country in my state in
which I live has banned Pitties. Shame. It is mostly because there is a
lot of crime and drug trade and Pitties are kept for the wrong reasons.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On 7/4/2016 7:46 PM, Je�us wrote:

> Led away by another dog... the pair of them had a habit of going bush
> ever since my friend lost his other dog - it seems Winnie replaced him
> as far as that goes. I had Winnie with me inside my friend's house,
> then SOMEBODY left the door open (knowing it was meant to be kept
> closed), and off they went. It was only a matter of a minute or so
> before I realised the door was open but it was too late.

I hope you find her! I'd be a wreck.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:38:16 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 20:56:50 -0300, wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Ingredients
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I lost Winnie, my dog, in the bush 6 days ago. She was a
>>>>>Staffordshire/Pit Bull cross, and you couldn't ask for a friendlier
>>>>>and more pleasant dog. Everyone absolutely loved her.
>>>>>
>>>>>Goodbye Winnie, I'll never forget you
>>>>
>>>>Do you mean she strayed away from you, or what?
>>>
>>>Led away by another dog... the pair of them had a habit of going bush
>>>ever since my friend lost his other dog - it seems Winnie replaced him
>>>as far as that goes. I had Winnie with me inside my friend's house,
>>>then SOMEBODY left the door open (knowing it was meant to be kept
>>>closed), and off they went. It was only a matter of a minute or so
>>>before I realised the door was open but it was too late.
>>>
>>>>My cat is Winnie,
>>>>she was already called that.
>>>
>>>Yes, I remember.
>>
>>I'm so sorry, but don't give up yet! My granddaughter just got her
>>cat back, they were in the garden and she was terrified when a car
>>backfired out on the road, and she ran. This evening, two days later,
>>after all the searching a friend brought her home. He recognised her,
>>she was cowering by a house, he called her and she practically ran up
>>him!
>
>Aww
>
>>So sometimes things work out, and dogs are good at returning.
>
>Yes, dogs are usually good at returning, Winnie has done this a few
>times, theyre usually back in the evening (by which time I've usually
>gone home). his last time, my friend's dog, Zed, came back with a
>broken canine after about 30 hours and needed treatment. But this time
>there was no Winnie with him. At least the weather has been mild this
>past week and not below freezing.
>
>Here's an old pic of Winnie... plus Annie and Lucy...
>http://www.hostpic.org/images/1603281958590106.jpg
>
>>I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and Winnie.
>
>Many thanks, appreciated.

Really nice! Fingers still crossed for Annie.

wrote:
>
> On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:38:16 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 20:56:50 -0300, wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>>Ingredients
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I lost Winnie, my dog, in the bush 6 days ago. She was a
> >>>>>Staffordshire/Pit Bull cross, and you couldn't ask for a friendlier
> >>>>>and more pleasant dog. Everyone absolutely loved her.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Goodbye Winnie, I'll never forget you
> >>>>
> >>>>Do you mean she strayed away from you, or what?
> >>>
> >>>Led away by another dog... the pair of them had a habit of going bush
> >>>ever since my friend lost his other dog - it seems Winnie replaced him
> >>>as far as that goes. I had Winnie with me inside my friend's house,
> >>>then SOMEBODY left the door open (knowing it was meant to be kept
> >>>closed), and off they went. It was only a matter of a minute or so
> >>>before I realised the door was open but it was too late.
> >>>
> >>>>My cat is Winnie,
> >>>>she was already called that.
> >>>
> >>>Yes, I remember.
> >>
> >>I'm so sorry, but don't give up yet! My granddaughter just got her
> >>cat back, they were in the garden and she was terrified when a car
> >>backfired out on the road, and she ran. This evening, two days later,
> >>after all the searching a friend brought her home. He recognised her,
> >>she was cowering by a house, he called her and she practically ran up
> >>him!
> >
> >Aww
> >
> >>So sometimes things work out, and dogs are good at returning.
> >
> >Yes, dogs are usually good at returning, Winnie has done this a few
> >times, theyre usually back in the evening (by which time I've usually
> >gone home). his last time, my friend's dog, Zed, came back with a
> >broken canine after about 30 hours and needed treatment. But this time
> >there was no Winnie with him. At least the weather has been mild this
> >past week and not below freezing.
> >
> >Here's an old pic of Winnie... plus Annie and Lucy...
> >http://www.hostpic.org/images/1603281958590106.jpg
> >
> >>I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and Winnie.
> >
> >Many thanks, appreciated.
>
> Really nice! Fingers still crossed for Annie.

Sorry to hear about this. DO let us know if she comes back. Have you
gone out to look for her?

On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 07:55:00 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:38:16 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 20:56:50 -0300, wrote:
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>Ingredients
>> >>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I lost Winnie, my dog, in the bush 6 days ago. She was a
>> >>>>>Staffordshire/Pit Bull cross, and you couldn't ask for a friendlier
>> >>>>>and more pleasant dog. Everyone absolutely loved her.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Goodbye Winnie, I'll never forget you
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Do you mean she strayed away from you, or what?
>> >>>
>> >>>Led away by another dog... the pair of them had a habit of going bush
>> >>>ever since my friend lost his other dog - it seems Winnie replaced him
>> >>>as far as that goes. I had Winnie with me inside my friend's house,
>> >>>then SOMEBODY left the door open (knowing it was meant to be kept
>> >>>closed), and off they went. It was only a matter of a minute or so
>> >>>before I realised the door was open but it was too late.
>> >>>
>> >>>>My cat is Winnie,
>> >>>>she was already called that.
>> >>>
>> >>>Yes, I remember.
>> >>
>> >>I'm so sorry, but don't give up yet! My granddaughter just got her
>> >>cat back, they were in the garden and she was terrified when a car
>> >>backfired out on the road, and she ran. This evening, two days later,
>> >>after all the searching a friend brought her home. He recognised her,
>> >>she was cowering by a house, he called her and she practically ran up
>> >>him!
>> >
>> >Aww
>> >
>> >>So sometimes things work out, and dogs are good at returning.
>> >
>> >Yes, dogs are usually good at returning, Winnie has done this a few
>> >times, theyre usually back in the evening (by which time I've usually
>> >gone home). his last time, my friend's dog, Zed, came back with a
>> >broken canine after about 30 hours and needed treatment. But this time
>> >there was no Winnie with him. At least the weather has been mild this
>> >past week and not below freezing.
>> >
>> >Here's an old pic of Winnie... plus Annie and Lucy...
>> >http://www.hostpic.org/images/1603281958590106.jpg
>> >
>> >>I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and Winnie.
>> >
>> >Many thanks, appreciated.
>>
>> Really nice! Fingers still crossed for Annie.
>
>Sorry to hear about this. DO let us know if she comes back. Have you
>gone out to look for her?

Here, it's usually Beagles that get themselves lost, get wind of
something, chase and then - ooh where am I? I guess eventually they
will find their way out and it's not infrequent on small roads
alongside woods to see a shirt, coat or owners article of clothing
where the truck had been when the Beagle took off. I guess there is a
good chance it will then stay with the clothing and be picked up.

On 7/4/2016 6:56 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 14:48:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
>> handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
>> to be nasty.
>
> That's right. I've been around those breeds most of my life and the
> only nasty ones I ever came across were made that way. No better or
> worse than any other breed when it comes to temperament.
>
Or any sort of person, for that matter.

>> We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
>> Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.
>
> I lost Winnie, my dog, in the bush 6 days ago. She was a
> Staffordshire/Pit Bull cross, and you couldn't ask for a friendlier
> and more pleasant dog. Everyone absolutely loved her.
>
> Goodbye Winnie, I'll never forget you
>
I'm sorry to hear about your dog.

Jill

On 7/4/2016 10:29 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/4/2016 2:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/4/2016 2:22 PM, Roy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hard to believe that people can be so goddamned stupid when it comes
>>> to pitbulls. Pitbulls were bred to KILL, that is their specialty. They
>>> should be purged from this earth.
>>> ====
>>>
>>
>> They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
>> handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
>> to be nasty.
>>
>> We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
>> Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.
>
> I know lots of them and they can be very sweet dogs. Yes, they can be
> vicious but anything can be if raised wrong. The country in my state in
> which I live has banned Pitties. Shame. It is mostly because there is a
> lot of crime and drug trade and Pitties are kept for the wrong reasons.
>
I was never a fan of pit bulls or rottweilers but I know they've gotten
a bad name. As you say, usually by people who are into some nefarious
activities and train them to be vicious. They don't have to be. Seems
to me they were originally trained for dog fights. A horrific thing!

And pit bulls have locking jaws which does make them a bit more
dangerous if they decide to bite. They won't let go.

Jill

On 7/5/2016 10:41 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/4/2016 10:29 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 7/4/2016 2:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 7/4/2016 2:22 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hard to believe that people can be so goddamned stupid when it comes
>>>> to pitbulls. Pitbulls were bred to KILL, that is their specialty. They
>>>> should be purged from this earth.
>>>> ====
>>>>
>>>
>>> They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
>>> handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
>>> to be nasty.
>>>
>>> We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
>>> Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.
>>
>> I know lots of them and they can be very sweet dogs. Yes, they can be
>> vicious but anything can be if raised wrong. The country in my state in
>> which I live has banned Pitties. Shame. It is mostly because there is a
>> lot of crime and drug trade and Pitties are kept for the wrong reasons.
>>
> I was never a fan of pit bulls or rottweilers but I know they've gotten
> a bad name. As you say, usually by people who are into some nefarious
> activities and train them to be vicious. They don't have to be. Seems
> to me they were originally trained for dog fights. A horrific thing!
>
> And pit bulls have locking jaws which does make them a bit more
> dangerous if they decide to bite. They won't let go.
>
> Jill

There have been too many instances of a "butter wouldn't melt in its
mouth" pitbull that has "turned". I wouldn't want one anywhere near my
grandkids, no matter what its pedigree.
Graham

On 2016-07-05 2:47 PM, graham wrote:
> On 7/5/2016 10:41 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>> And pit bulls have locking jaws which does make them a bit more
>> dangerous if they decide to bite. They won't let go.
>>
>> Jill
>
> There have been too many instances of a "butter wouldn't melt in its
> mouth" pitbull that has "turned". I wouldn't want one anywhere near my
> grandkids, no matter what its pedigree.



The worst dog bit I ever had was from my own Black Lab. It wasn't his
fault. He has attacked by a German Shepherd who had his back leg in his
mouth and would not let go. I stepped in to intervened, watching the
Shepherd. I saw a black blur and felt the tooth, later felt the pain. My
poor dog had lashed out and I was on the receiving end. It went almost
right through my hand and it hurt like hell, and for a long time. I have
a whole new respect for dog bites now.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:43:17 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>The worst dog bit I ever had was from my own Black Lab. It wasn't his
>fault. He has attacked by a German Shepherd who had his back leg in his
>mouth and would not let go. I stepped in to intervened, watching the
>Shepherd. I saw a black blur and felt the tooth, later felt the pain. My
>poor dog had lashed out and I was on the receiving end. It went almost
>right through my hand and it hurt like hell, and for a long time. I have
>a whole new respect for dog bites now.

Next time, pull the dog off by a hind leg or tail (you won't the tail
if you don't go crazy), and be ready to let go and get out of the way
if need be. As you now know, you have to watch out for both dogs.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 12:47:25 -0600, graham > wrote:

> On 7/5/2016 10:41 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 7/4/2016 10:29 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> >> On 7/4/2016 2:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 7/4/2016 2:22 PM, Roy wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hard to believe that people can be so goddamned stupid when it comes
> >>>> to pitbulls. Pitbulls were bred to KILL, that is their specialty. They
> >>>> should be purged from this earth.
> >>>> ====
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
> >>> handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
> >>> to be nasty.
> >>>
> >>> We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
> >>> Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.
> >>
> >> I know lots of them and they can be very sweet dogs. Yes, they can be
> >> vicious but anything can be if raised wrong. The country in my state in
> >> which I live has banned Pitties. Shame. It is mostly because there is a
> >> lot of crime and drug trade and Pitties are kept for the wrong reasons.
> >>
> > I was never a fan of pit bulls or rottweilers but I know they've gotten
> > a bad name. As you say, usually by people who are into some nefarious
> > activities and train them to be vicious. They don't have to be. Seems
> > to me they were originally trained for dog fights. A horrific thing!
> >
> > And pit bulls have locking jaws which does make them a bit more
> > dangerous if they decide to bite. They won't let go.
> >
> > Jill
>
> There have been too many instances of a "butter wouldn't melt in its
> mouth" pitbull that has "turned". I wouldn't want one anywhere near my
> grandkids, no matter what its pedigree.
> Graham

I am not a pit bull fan, but when most stories are scratched below the
surface - it turns out they didn't just snap, they were pushed into it
somehow (usually through abuse). I'm extrapolating from my experience
of owning a Rottweiler in the past: Most of those people don't
understand that their "teenager" (obnoxious, rebellious) stage goes
well into their second year and resort to beating them into submission
- if they aren't being trained to fight. The rest want pit bulls for
"protection" and don't attempt to discourage aggression toward
strangers.

--

sf

On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 07:55:00 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:38:16 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 20:56:50 -0300, wrote:
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>Ingredients
>> >>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I lost Winnie, my dog, in the bush 6 days ago. She was a
>> >>>>>Staffordshire/Pit Bull cross, and you couldn't ask for a friendlier
>> >>>>>and more pleasant dog. Everyone absolutely loved her.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Goodbye Winnie, I'll never forget you
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Do you mean she strayed away from you, or what?
>> >>>
>> >>>Led away by another dog... the pair of them had a habit of going bush
>> >>>ever since my friend lost his other dog - it seems Winnie replaced him
>> >>>as far as that goes. I had Winnie with me inside my friend's house,
>> >>>then SOMEBODY left the door open (knowing it was meant to be kept
>> >>>closed), and off they went. It was only a matter of a minute or so
>> >>>before I realised the door was open but it was too late.
>> >>>
>> >>>>My cat is Winnie,
>> >>>>she was already called that.
>> >>>
>> >>>Yes, I remember.
>> >>
>> >>I'm so sorry, but don't give up yet! My granddaughter just got her
>> >>cat back, they were in the garden and she was terrified when a car
>> >>backfired out on the road, and she ran. This evening, two days later,
>> >>after all the searching a friend brought her home. He recognised her,
>> >>she was cowering by a house, he called her and she practically ran up
>> >>him!
>> >
>> >Aww
>> >
>> >>So sometimes things work out, and dogs are good at returning.
>> >
>> >Yes, dogs are usually good at returning, Winnie has done this a few
>> >times, theyre usually back in the evening (by which time I've usually
>> >gone home). his last time, my friend's dog, Zed, came back with a
>> >broken canine after about 30 hours and needed treatment. But this time
>> >there was no Winnie with him. At least the weather has been mild this
>> >past week and not below freezing.
>> >
>> >Here's an old pic of Winnie... plus Annie and Lucy...
>> >http://www.hostpic.org/images/1603281958590106.jpg
>> >
>> >>I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and Winnie.
>> >
>> >Many thanks, appreciated.
>>
>> Really nice! Fingers still crossed for Annie.
>
>Sorry to hear about this. DO let us know if she comes back.

Thanks, I will.

>Have you
>gone out to look for her?

Sadly there's no point as they would have gone for many miles, most
likely chasing wallabies or deer. The area is untouched, mountainous
wilderness apart from 3 or 4 other properties in the vicinity of my
friend's place. Worse than a needle in a haystack.

On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 09:56:22 -0300, wrote:

>Here, it's usually Beagles that get themselves lost, get wind of
>something, chase and then - ooh where am I?

That's basically it, Winnie has always found her way back eventually
but not this time. She may have been injured (Zed certainly was with
his tooth). Living where I do, this is one reason I stopped putting
collars on her - not a good idea in the bush.


>I guess eventually they
>will find their way out and it's not infrequent on small roads
>alongside woods to see a shirt, coat or owners article of clothing
>where the truck had been when the Beagle took off. I guess there is a
>good chance it will then stay with the clothing and be picked up.

Yes, that often works.

On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 22:31:36 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 7/4/2016 7:46 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>> Led away by another dog... the pair of them had a habit of going bush
>> ever since my friend lost his other dog - it seems Winnie replaced him
>> as far as that goes. I had Winnie with me inside my friend's house,
>> then SOMEBODY left the door open (knowing it was meant to be kept
>> closed), and off they went. It was only a matter of a minute or so
>> before I realised the door was open but it was too late.
>
>I hope you find her! I'd be a wreck.

Thanks. I'm in that stage of part denial and part trying to not think
about it too much.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 12:36:43 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/4/2016 6:56 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 14:48:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
>>> handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
>>> to be nasty.
>>
>> That's right. I've been around those breeds most of my life and the
>> only nasty ones I ever came across were made that way. No better or
>> worse than any other breed when it comes to temperament.
>>
>Or any sort of person, for that matter.
>
>>> We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
>>> Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.
>>
>> I lost Winnie, my dog, in the bush 6 days ago. She was a
>> Staffordshire/Pit Bull cross, and you couldn't ask for a friendlier
>> and more pleasant dog. Everyone absolutely loved her.
>>
>> Goodbye Winnie, I'll never forget you
>>
>I'm sorry to hear about your dog.

Thanks Jill.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 3:36:32 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1om> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 1:15:08 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <dsiom> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 10:03:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >> On 2016-07-03 3:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Gary is not concerned about how others will be affected by what
> >> >> > happens
> >> >> > with the continued punishment of the offender. Why be concerned
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > how anyone earns a living?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, the offender should be punished but some here seem to want him
> >> >> > purged from society forever no matter who gets dragged with him.
> >> >> > Perhaps
> >> >> > he should be executed.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Knee jerk reaction is to not patronize the restaurant. OK, now what
> >> >> > should happen to the guy? Never be employed again? Never own a
> >> >> > business? Now that you put him out of business you should have a
> >> >> > next
> >> >> > step or you are as guilty of ruining a life as he is. What's next?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> It's not as if I am out there with the torches and pitchforks driving
> >> >> him out of town. I simply cannot patronize a restaurant when I know
> >> >> that
> >> >> something like that has happened. From what I have learned, he was
> >> >> not
> >> >> the only one who made the mistake of driving while intoxicated,
> >> >> driving
> >> >> off the road and hitting someone hard enough to send them flying more
> >> >> than 60 feet through the air, inflicting life threatening injuries and
> >> >> then driving off and leaving her to die, going home and having a bunch
> >> >> of drinks so that when the cops showed up he could say he had been
> >> >> drinking at home, and then shifting the ownership of an asset that
> >> >> could
> >> >> be lost in a law suit.
> >> >>
> >> >> I believe I stated quite clearly that my personal boycott is not going
> >> >> to hurt the guy's business because the place is always busy. I just
> >> >> cannot bring myself to patronize it.
> >> >>
> >> >> FWIW, I did go there a a few times after the incident. I was prepared
> >> >> to
> >> >> accept that there might have been another side to the story. The idea
> >> >> of a bunch of teens out on the road at 2:30 am left all sorts of
> >> >> possibilities. Then the facts came out and he has been to court and
> >> >> was
> >> >> convicted.
> >> >>
> >> >> That is not the end of his legal trouble. I heard from a friend of the
> >> >> family that there have been suits launched against the driver,
> >> >> against
> >> >> the bar where he had been drinking, and against the owners of the
> >> >> house
> >> >> were the party was held and the teens were drinking under age.
> >> >> However,
> >> >> I have to wonder how much liability the parents are willing to assume
> >> >> for allowing their kids to stay out that late, for raising kids who
> >> >> drink under age and who abuse alcohol.
> >> >
> >> > We used to go to a store where several of the young employees who were
> >> > working at night were taken to a back room and executed. I never could
> >> > set
> >> > foot in the store again. That had nothing to do with morals or ethics -
> >> > just very bad karma.
> >>
> >> Agree.
> >
> > This happened in Lynnwood WA but I cannot remember the name of thea store.
> > It's just as well.
>
> OMG. I shop in Lynnwood all the time. I have to look this up! And I found
> nothing. Do you remember what kind of store it was?

My memory is all messed up - this did not happen in Lynnwood. Sorry for alarming you. These murders happened in San Mateo CA around 1979. It was a Payless store.

On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 5:15:16 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1com> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 1:15:08 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <dsiom> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 10:03:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >> On 2016-07-03 3:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Gary is not concerned about how others will be affected by what
> >> >> > happens
> >> >> > with the continued punishment of the offender. Why be concerned
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > how anyone earns a living?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, the offender should be punished but some here seem to want him
> >> >> > purged from society forever no matter who gets dragged with him.
> >> >> > Perhaps
> >> >> > he should be executed.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Knee jerk reaction is to not patronize the restaurant. OK, now what
> >> >> > should happen to the guy? Never be employed again? Never own a
> >> >> > business? Now that you put him out of business you should have a
> >> >> > next
> >> >> > step or you are as guilty of ruining a life as he is. What's next?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> It's not as if I am out there with the torches and pitchforks driving
> >> >> him out of town. I simply cannot patronize a restaurant when I know
> >> >> that
> >> >> something like that has happened. From what I have learned, he was
> >> >> not
> >> >> the only one who made the mistake of driving while intoxicated,
> >> >> driving
> >> >> off the road and hitting someone hard enough to send them flying more
> >> >> than 60 feet through the air, inflicting life threatening injuries and
> >> >> then driving off and leaving her to die, going home and having a bunch
> >> >> of drinks so that when the cops showed up he could say he had been
> >> >> drinking at home, and then shifting the ownership of an asset that
> >> >> could
> >> >> be lost in a law suit.
> >> >>
> >> >> I believe I stated quite clearly that my personal boycott is not going
> >> >> to hurt the guy's business because the place is always busy. I just
> >> >> cannot bring myself to patronize it.
> >> >>
> >> >> FWIW, I did go there a a few times after the incident. I was prepared
> >> >> to
> >> >> accept that there might have been another side to the story. The idea
> >> >> of a bunch of teens out on the road at 2:30 am left all sorts of
> >> >> possibilities. Then the facts came out and he has been to court and
> >> >> was
> >> >> convicted.
> >> >>
> >> >> That is not the end of his legal trouble. I heard from a friend of the
> >> >> family that there have been suits launched against the driver,
> >> >> against
> >> >> the bar where he had been drinking, and against the owners of the
> >> >> house
> >> >> were the party was held and the teens were drinking under age.
> >> >> However,
> >> >> I have to wonder how much liability the parents are willing to assume
> >> >> for allowing their kids to stay out that late, for raising kids who
> >> >> drink under age and who abuse alcohol.
> >> >
> >> > We used to go to a store where several of the young employees who were
> >> > working at night were taken to a back room and executed. I never could
> >> > set
> >> > foot in the store again. That had nothing to do with morals or ethics -
> >> > just very bad karma.
> >>
> >> Agree.
> >
> > This happened in Lynnwood WA but I cannot remember the name of the store.
> > It's just as well.
>
> MrD behave yourself!
>
> ;-)
>
>
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Speaking of bad behavior, my daughter's boyfriend was inspired by my son ordering 3 servings of tongue so he made a stuffed tongue filled with ground pork seasoned Chinese style. He said the tongue roll was browned in a pan then braised in a sesame mirepoix. He had to go to Chinatown to get the tongue. He made it for a competition they had going at the restaurant he works at. The kid has some guts - hopefully, he won't be cooking up some guts next at the restaurant.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:43:17 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>
>The worst dog bit I ever had was from my own Black Lab. It wasn't his
>fault. He has attacked by a German Shepherd who had his back leg in his
>mouth and would not let go. I stepped in to intervened, watching the
>Shepherd. I saw a black blur and felt the tooth, later felt the pain. My
>poor dog had lashed out and I was on the receiving end. It went almost
>right through my hand and it hurt like hell, and for a long time. I have
>a whole new respect for dog bites now.
>

I was knocked over aged 6 going to school by the Chief of Police' dog.
A neighbour who saw it said it was good I fell face down because he
was going for my throat. I was bitten up and down my back, still have
the scars.

This was in HK after the war, many dogs had rabies and the law said if
a dog bit someone, they had to be put down and their brain analysed to
see if rabies was present. The doctor said I needed to start a
course of rabies shots, brutal, needle in the stomach, some 30 of
them. I didn't like the idea and my father sat me down and read out
what having rabies was like, so I called past the docs daily en route
home from school.

I had nearly finished the damn shots when the same dog did the same
thing again as I walked past their house. Once again, the neighbour
saw what happened and she told the C of P that if the dog was not put
down this time, she was going public with it. Most people also put
muzzles on their dogs to avoid this whole situation. This time it bit
my upper arm, still have the marks and I had to start a new course of
rabies shots

"graham" > wrote in message
...

> There have been too many instances of a "butter wouldn't melt in its
> mouth" pitbull that has "turned". I wouldn't want one anywhere near my
> grandkids, no matter what its pedigree.
> Graham

I'm with you there.

Cheri

On 7/5/2016 10:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> There have been too many instances of a "butter wouldn't melt in its
>> mouth" pitbull that has "turned". I wouldn't want one anywhere near my
>> grandkids, no matter what its pedigree.
>> Graham
>
> I'm with you there.
>
> Cheri

Understandable given their reputation. Trinity is welcome in my house
any time and she does come visit. When she lived here, every afternoon
she would tug on my wife's are to be sure she took a nap. Trin would
crawl under the covers and nap with her.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> There have been too many instances of a "butter wouldn't melt in its
>> mouth" pitbull that has "turned". I wouldn't want one anywhere near my
>> grandkids, no matter what its pedigree.
>> Graham
>
> I'm with you there.

There are many Staffies in the rescue centre and they were very friendly. I
did think about it but just couldn't bring myself to take one I did feel
bad, but ...

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